Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: R W C™ on May 13, 2010, 09:56:53 pm
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Its just about to finish on channel 4 but is on again in 5 mins on channel 135, the man in the poor family is a unemployed window cleaner struggling to find work, will be interesting to see if they help him set up a business ???
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ok you caught me out, its me alright
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Which one? The poor bloke with 5 kids or the man with the 10 acres?
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Derrr are you fik or wat, the pour 1 studid
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Derrr are you fik or wat, the pour 1 studid
I watched that program, I feel for that poor little 12 year old and they wonder why they say broken britain.
how many of you watching priced in your mind the cost to clean the larger of the 2 houses ?
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Derrr are you fik or wat, the pour 1 studid
I watched that program, I feel for that poor little 12 year old and they wonder why they say broken britain.
how many of you watching priced in your mind the cost to clean the larger of the 2 houses ?
I felt sorry for him too, I dont know if id of helped the family tho as I recon the bloke was living there but wasnt registered due to benefits, the house was over crowded but they could of put a bit more into it i.e folding clothes in wardrobe rather then dumping, and when they where decorating they didnt even fill the holes in the wall, and why did he wait to get employed as a window cleaner rather then canvass, weve all read how the newbies on here are doing so why couldnt he of done the same.....................
As for pricing the house I always seem to do this with buildings...........what price did you come up with..........
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I would of helprd the family, but I couldnt of employed the bloke, maybe if i had a factory, but not at the front line serviceing customers.
The young lad was a gem, shame if he didnt get this chance, who knows how he would end up.
Besrt case would be for him marrying the young girl when they are old enough.
Classic rags to rich story that would be
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I felt the wealthy couple were concerned that their money would be wasted. The woman mentioned the new sofa bed, one week old that had dirty marks all over it.
I was watching but on the internet and I had to ask my wife if the sofa bed was new or the old one, it was minging.
I feel that is a lack of self pride and they definately picked up on it, it is also disrespectful to show no regard when someone has spent money trying to improve your circumstances and in only one week it is filthy.
No matter how many people you have living in your house there is no excuse for being dirty!!!!. The more people living in the house ought to be more reason to keep it cleaner and tidier!!!
If I had gone there I would have walked out and would not have sat and eaten food on dirty seats. There really is no excuse to live like an animal, in any circumstances.
Rob ;D
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theres plenty of families near me the same.why do they have all these kids and then moan about bringing them up??
a lot near me are lazy,apathetic with drink/and/or drug problems and see havin a pitbull type dog and being chavvy as the epitome of cool.ASBOS badge of honour!most commit crime again cos all there friends are in prison and its free bed and board with gym access,pool,tv etc
they cant see that they have to be responsible for their own actions and behaviour.most have lost the plot and dont care as long as they get another benefit cheque,a cheap bottle of cider and some weed/coke/smack plus a playstation 3.
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I agree with all of the above. If I had sat there and been given that food i would have shot it down the side of the sofa. I don't think they would notice. That poor couple must have been gagging trying to eat that food. The bloke was out of work but you would think he was running the local tip in that back garden. Each side of them there was grass and it was tidy. Only when they had received 2.5 grand and they thought there was more coming did he get off his ass and do something. Obviously benefit fraud with only two nights a week.
And hello! they have been there 7 years and had 5 kids , 2 babies included. I have a 4 bed house and its a beauty. Noone gave me a penny, but I had the snip after two kids because thats all I could afford.
These people make my blood boil. The older kids had holes in their shoes because they had had more babies to get them a four bed house. The rich couple were right in that a new house would be a poop hole inside a year. Could you imagine having that bloke work for you as a cleaner?
The others well stacked. Did you notice the bank ac was at Coutts, the queens bank.
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No matter how many people you have living in your house there is no excuse for being dirty!!!!. The more people living in the house ought to be more reason to keep it cleaner and tidier!!!
You obviously ain't got kids ;D
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I grew up with four brothers and my parents. Seven of us.
Never was the house dirty. I don't really remember it being untidy either. My upbringing was not strict but we were taught to cook and do various jobs around the house.
At 12 I was ironing my clothes because there were just too many for my mother to do on her own.
The values shown to me as a child I have been able to carry into all aspects of my adult life. I am grateful for my upbringing.
A dirty house tells me all I need to know about the occupants, lazy, apathetic and accepting that it is ok to live in squallor. It is not good parenting to show children these traits and they should be ashamed and embarrassed that they were showing the nation that they live like pigs!!!
Rob ;D
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Not having seen the programe, but having read the posts. Is there such a thing as an unemployed window cleaner ?
If you have the ability to clean the windows you also have the ability to get of your arse and knock doors to build up a round. There is such a thing as "self employed credit" where you can get £50 p/w for 16 weeks if you have been out of work for 3 months or more. So there is no excuse to be an unemployed window cleaner.
If you worked for someone else and you are no longer in there employment, then that also sugests that they were unreliable and got the boot.
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We used to live in a shoebox in the middle of the road !
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Is this programme on the interweb anywhere?
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Is this programme on the interweb anywhere?
Im sure its repeated again in the week, ill have a look later for you..........
I like the way he moved back so they could get a bigger house but wouldnt do it to see more of his kids,
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I'm moved by the empathy that some of you have. ::) You see a snapshot of someones life and are in a position to make judgements about them.
These people needed help to put them on the right track, they obviously didn't get it and sadly didn't have the skills needed themselves nor did they get them from their parents.
Thankfully the 'posh' couple have a greater sense of humanity and social awareness than some on here. They put aside their initial prejudices and seem to have a plan on how they could help and actually make a difference. It starts with educating them on family life, giving them a sense of purpose and inclusion. When society starts to do this change is possible. When they simply whinge about them, apart from making the whinger sound superior, nothing is accomplished.
Compared to some many of us have had a very easy start to life with parents who were able to socially educate us and give us a sense of worth and a good work ethic. Not everybody gets that. This couple clearly didn't. Hopefully with the help they recieve the next generation will move on and make something of themselves.
Thank goodness the 'posh' couple were prepared to help.
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Is this programme on the interweb anywhere?
Im sure its repeated again in the week, ill have a look later for you..........
I like the way he moved back so they could get a bigger house but wouldnt do it to see more of his kids,
Here's the link to watch it online:
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/how-the-other-half-live/4od#3068835
I'm going to watch some of it now, but I'm not sure if it's my cup of tea.
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I'm moved by the empathy that some of you have. ::) You see a snapshot of someones life and are in a position to make judgements about them.
These people needed help to put them on the right track, they obviously didn't get it and sadly didn't have the skills needed themselves nor did they get them from their parents.
Thankfully the 'posh' couple have a greater sense of humanity and social awareness than some on here. They put aside their initial prejudices and seem to have a plan on how they could help and actually make a difference. It starts with educating them on family life, giving them a sense of purpose and inclusion. When society starts to do this change is possible. When they simply whinge about them, apart from making the whinger sound superior, nothing is accomplished.
Compared to some many of us have had a very easy start to life with parents who were able to socially educate us and give us a sense of worth and a good work ethic. Not everybody gets that. This couple clearly didn't. Hopefully with the help they recieve the next generation will move on and make something of themselves.
Thank goodness the 'posh' couple were prepared to help.
How do you know what any of us have come from, you dont know what up bringing any of us have had, I know for one that if I had a very low income I wouldnt have 5 kids, I have a disabled daughter, me and my misses have spoke about having another child but in the interest of ourselves, living space, our disabled daughter and other children we have decided against it because it just wouldnt be right, I think if them cameras wherent there that couple wouldnt of helped them out, they didnt want to do anything for that money and only decorated to make sure they got more cash.
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How do you know what any of us have come from, you dont know what up bringing any of us have had,
Sunshine didn't say he knew where we all 'came from', he said
Compared to some many of us have had a very easy start to life with parents who were able to socially educate us and give us a sense of worth and a good work ethic. Not everybody gets that.
And Sunshine could have a point. I also seem to remember that you had a tough childhood and some people are capable of overcoming that, but others aren't as fortunate.
But I think his main point was that many of us were quick to judge the 'window cleaner' without walking the required mile in this fella's shoes.
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I'm moved by the empathy that some of you have. ::) You see a snapshot of someones life and are in a position to make judgements about them.
These people needed help to put them on the right track, they obviously didn't get it and sadly didn't have the skills needed themselves nor did they get them from their parents.
Thankfully the 'posh' couple have a greater sense of humanity and social awareness than some on here. They put aside their initial prejudices and seem to have a plan on how they could help and actually make a difference. It starts with educating them on family life, giving them a sense of purpose and inclusion. When society starts to do this change is possible. When they simply whinge about them, apart from making the whinger sound superior, nothing is accomplished.
Compared to some many of us have had a very easy start to life with parents who were able to socially educate us and give us a sense of worth and a good work ethic. Not everybody gets that. This couple clearly didn't. Hopefully with the help they recieve the next generation will move on and make something of themselves.
Thank goodness the 'posh' couple were prepared to help.
How do you know what any of us have come from, you dont know what up bringing any of us have had, I know for one that if I had a very low income I wouldnt have 5 kids, I have a disabled daughter, me and my misses have spoke about having another child but in the interest of ourselves, living space, our disabled daughter and other children we have decided against it because it just wouldnt be right, I think if them cameras wherent there that couple wouldnt of helped them out, they didnt want to do anything for that money and only decorated to make sure they got more cash.
And you do the right thing, no one would question your judgement as you know your situation better than anyone else. You dont however know what other people are thinking or their background.
I am sorry if you were offended by my comments, however I feel quite storongly in helping people to improve their social skills and background, it doesn't have to involve £'s and I think that was the point of the mentoring involved in the program.
To suggest that the couple only helped because of the camera is a bit harsh.
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Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.
Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.
Give me a break.!!
I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.
I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.
The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.
Rob ;D
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Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.
Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.
Give me a break.!!
I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.
I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.
The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.
Rob ;D
This is my point, Ive watched every single episode and last night was different, theres been people that have had failed businesses, couldnt work due to having disabled children etc etc, last nights was totally different to any I have watched in the past and I personally felt from what I saw last night is they only did certain things just to get the next cheque.....
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Are we saying that we should be showing children that it is acceptable to treat expensive gifts (from those that choose to give freely) with no regard, it is ok to make them filthy within a week.
Is it ok that we spill things over what should have been perceived as a precious gift and not clean the spillages. Is it ok to show our children these traits because we may have had a sh*te upbringing and to then perpetuate our sh*te upbringing because we feel hard done to in life.
Give me a break.!!
I have watched all of the previous programmes in this series and the previous ones last year. On every other programme the poorer family showed humility and a desire to improve thier surroundings, at no point last night did I see any desire for self improvement or motivation from either parent to change the circumstances that they lived in.
I did feel their was something different about last nights and that is exactly the gist, as I saw it.
The words ' you cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear' spring to mind.
Rob ;D
I agree it's not acceptable, but it's the parents who need training socially, hopfully the mentoring will help them do this.
Some people simply give up in life and I felt that is what the mother had done. She couldn't cope with her situation. All I could compare it with was her demeanor at the end of the program, to me she had made some effort.
And it is true a sows ear will never be a silk purse, however you can teach people to appreciate the the ear of a sow has some purpose and value to the sow. The mother is the only one the kids will have and they have to make the best of their situation.
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Stuart
I agree with you and for the sake of the children I hope that the wealthy couple do not perceive that they are having the proverbial p*ss taken out of them because it is certainly not the childrens fault that the circumstances are what they are.
It would be interesting to see how the couple last night and previous couples have faired since they have been managed by wealth, with a programme or two showing what they have achieved since the programme was filmed.
I may have come across as someone who does not care about others, that couldn't be further from the truth. Unfortunately or fortunately I seem to have an ability to pick up on peoples ideals and I can spot apathy within moments of meeting someone.
I would give no time to someone who doesn't care but if I said to someone that they could change their ways and I could see a light switch on I would dedicate as much time as would be required to help them.
Rob ;D
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A follow up would be interesting for sure.
You would hope that some effort would be put in to improve what they had, rather than hang on for what they want.
We did comment that the dad was living outside the home due to benefits. First of all they have to get over this fo any hope of improvement. (If that was the reason) ;D
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A follow up would be interesting for sure.
You would hope that some effort would be put in to improve what they had, rather than hang on for what they want.
We did comment that the dad was living outside the home due to benefits. First of all they have to get over this fo any hope of improvement. (If that was the reason) ;D
There is no way in the world I would not be in the home that my family is, It just baffles me that he didnt live with his wife and children due to overlaod but as soon as they mention that they will be entitled to a bigger home if he moved in, surely being in a 2 bedroom home with 3 children you realise that the home isnt big enough so why have more and then for him to move out, Just doesnt add up thats why I personally believe he was living there all along.... Just my opinion...........
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And they do have updates on the familys, The best one I see was millionaire who had 2 sisters die of heroine....
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I agree...... you should walk a mile in his shoes, that way you'll be at least a mile away before he realises that his shoes are missing ;D
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the state ov him was terrible
wc yeah rite cudnt even clean his teeth ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I agree...... you should walk a mile in his shoes, that way you'll be at least a mile away before he realises that his shoes are missing ;D
Very droll, Dennis ;D ;D
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Very live discussion guys, but understand this:
Most people never think about what they want in their lives. They live without this knowledge
or fore thought and become victims of their own circumstance. Work is just about a job – to
get by financially. Life becomes a series of issues like choosing to live somewhere because the
rent is cheap, never understanding how to be in relationships or becoming ineffectual
parents. The list goes on and on. Within yourself there is a craving for more. Is it substance,
contact or a deeper understanding of life? No one has ever introduced such people to the
concept of endless possibility. “As a man thinketh, so is he.” ;)