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Title: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 06:13:28 pm
hi guys,im new to the wfp system

i have a di 11l tank,filled to the top with resin,producing 000 reading.

used it today the water just staying on the windows??
leaving stains....
can any any one help plz
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 06:15:21 pm
hi guys,im new to the wfp system

i have a di 11l tank,filled to the top with resin,producing 000 reading.

used it today the water just staying on the windows??
leaving stains....
can any any one help plz
what are you using to get the reading ? hand held or fixed ?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Richy L on May 12, 2010, 06:15:39 pm
were the frames dirty?
If so maybe you were getting the top of the frames wet and the dirty water was running down the glass once you left
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Martin ccs on May 12, 2010, 06:16:16 pm
it does happen on the first cleans - mainly due to the fact you are drawing the extra dirt from the top of the frames and then its drying spotty.

but it will sort itself out on the second or third clean.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: elite mike on May 12, 2010, 06:16:32 pm
reclean and rinse well

but wfp does not work on all windows well
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Martin ccs on May 12, 2010, 06:17:36 pm
rinse rinse and rinse on the first cleans!
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 06:39:39 pm
rinse rinse and rinse on the first cleans!
you need to scrub loads also with that
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: cleewindows on May 12, 2010, 06:42:26 pm
On manky windows soap them.thenwfp
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 06:45:17 pm
yeh im using hand held..

this job aint a new one,been cleaning for two years with traditional methods

so the water aint the problem?

the water doesnt run off the window that well
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: roundbuilder on May 12, 2010, 06:47:14 pm
what you mean soap them. I have never heard of that for wfp.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 06:49:13 pm
yeh im using hand held..

this job aint a new one,been cleaning for two years with traditional methods

so the water aint the problem?

the water doesnt run off the window that well
when you was trad was the blade sticking to the glass alot ? I would try white spirt on the glass as this could solve the issue. test area first though.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Richy L on May 12, 2010, 06:50:11 pm
When you say it is staying on the window do you mean it is beading?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: formb on May 12, 2010, 06:54:01 pm
If you have been doing these trad chances are there is soap in the seals. Re-clean them till they are right.

It's a pain the first time but it IS worth the extra effort this time round.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 06:58:39 pm
what does beading mean?sorry,lol

the water looks like normall water from tap when put on the windows
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: formb on May 12, 2010, 07:06:03 pm
what does beading mean?sorry,lol

the water looks like normall water from tap when put on the windows

The water will either bead (kind of form droplets) or sheet down the glass.

Generally it is easier to clean if it sheets but it makes very little difference.

No one has given me a definitive reason why it happens, anyway it will become less important once you've got the windows scrubbed up properly.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: prestigeclean on May 12, 2010, 07:30:33 pm
the easiest way to solve this is to just squeegee it off , after a couple of cleans it will be fine just leaving it wet regards alan
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: formb on May 12, 2010, 07:32:39 pm
Oh no not blading after WFP..............



.........................again.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Daniel Watson on May 12, 2010, 08:05:11 pm
whats wrong with blading after wfp,

the majority of my first cleans are bladed just to be sure that no milky marks are left,

(i also like using the blade)
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: formb on May 12, 2010, 08:07:58 pm
See:

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=97175.0
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 08:08:32 pm
whats wrong with blading after wfp,

the majority of my first cleans are bladed just to be sure that no milky marks are left,

(i also like using the blade)
because you are just holding the problem till you get fed up with blading windows  ::) and when you stop the same problem will be there, use a tool correctly, do you go up and blade the top windows on a ladder ?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 08:10:34 pm
ok guys thanks

im using a di tank tp purfill.then hold water in 25l water container.

im using a back pack for wfp?
i have been told mayb need a ro unit??
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 08:11:45 pm
yeh we usally do blade top windows
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: formb on May 12, 2010, 08:13:02 pm
Depends on your tap water.

Anything over 100 I'd get RO it's cheaper in the long run.

I have 50 - 60 tap water and I use RO.

I do use alot of water though.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 08:15:42 pm
yeh we usally do blade top windows
if you blade top windows why are you using wfp :-\

I would be checking the tds in each barrel, I would also get another tds hand held to check the first is not shot (it does happen)

I would then look it the filter from water to pump is there any change resin could be getting to the glass ?

if tyou check everything and it is ok, then it is either the frames are pigs that will never come good (dont clean the frame glass only) or it is user error.

I would hazard a guess at user error on milky frames. Please dont bite my head off jsut trying to help  ;D

p.s what is tds out of tap ? if it is over 4o I would be getting an RO
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 08:16:28 pm
im down in the isle of wight.

my reading was 220 before run it thro di tank..

but getting 000 now,mayb i need ro aswell as di tank?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 08:18:40 pm
im down in the isle of wight.

my reading was 220 before run it thro di tank..

but getting 000 now,mayb i need ro aswell as di tank?
your on the isle of wight lol I used to live there :D

it could well be the sea salt m8, wind is a cow down there, as is the salt in the air, if it is not these then read my above post.

I am shocked your tds is that low and iow has hard water that tastes bad
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 08:19:14 pm
na course not mate,thanks for help

i only cleaned the windows not the frames,plus tryed it out on 4 jobs??all the same result

waitied 20min and the water still on windows
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: noizeo on May 12, 2010, 08:21:50 pm
why move of the island,beautiful place mate,been ere 7 years from london

would never go bk now,lol

i think a ro unti and di tank is the answer then mate

thank you for help
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 08:25:50 pm
why move of the island,beautiful place mate,been ere 7 years from london

would never go bk now,lol

i think a ro unti and di tank is the answer then mate

thank you for help
where abouts do you live ?

also my number is 07788 732 789 if you need any help give me a shout I still come to the iow as my mum and dad and oldest son live there.

if you have a pet i CAN GET ITS FOOD DELIVERED FREE  ;D ;D
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Dave Willis on May 12, 2010, 08:35:19 pm
na course not mate,thanks for help

i only cleaned the windows not the frames,plus tryed it out on 4 jobs??all the same result

waitied 20min and the water still on windows

The water does stay on the windows - it could take all afternoon to dry if the weather is cold.

Ian, white spirit? Are you mad?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Window Washers on May 12, 2010, 10:39:17 pm
na course not mate,thanks for help

i only cleaned the windows not the frames,plus tryed it out on 4 jobs??all the same result

waitied 20min and the water still on windows

The water does stay on the windows - it could take all afternoon to dry if the weather is cold.

Ian, white spirit? Are you mad?
nope lol.

I have found out want his problem was when he called me, and is sorted
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: prestigeclean on May 12, 2010, 11:10:16 pm
on first cleans i often find its quicker to squeegee after using the pole , that way you know the window is good and its quicker than going round twice which alot of the guys on here seem to do , also you don,t have to spend all day rinsing , all these posts with rinse and rinse again are ridiculous , simply blade it and you know its ok , i only do this on first cleans and the odd troublesome window , apart from that its splash and dash for me regards alan
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: d s windowcleaning on May 12, 2010, 11:11:15 pm
what you mean soap them. I have never heard of that for wfp.
on first cleans soaping up with tfr will make all the diffrance for future cleans .
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: d s windowcleaning on May 12, 2010, 11:14:51 pm
on first cleans i often find its quicker to squeegee after using the pole , that way you know the window is good and its quicker than going round twice which alot of the guys on here seem to do , also you don,t have to spend all day rinsing , all these posts with rinse and rinse again are ridiculous , simply blade it and you know its ok , i only do this on first cleans and the odd troublesome window , apart from that its splash and dash for me regards alan
ok im new to wfp but how do you blade off above a conny roof thats 27ft long ?
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: james44 on May 12, 2010, 11:32:24 pm
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on first cleans i often find its quicker to squeegee after using the pole , that way you know the window is good and its quicker than going round twice which alot of the guys on here seem to do , also you don,t have to spend all day rinsing , all these posts with rinse and rinse again are ridiculous , simply blade it and you know its ok , i only do this on first cleans and the odd troublesome window , apart from that its splash and dash for me regards alan
:-X ;D
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Londoner on May 13, 2010, 08:22:45 am
on first cleans i often find its quicker to squeegee after using the pole , that way you know the window is good and its quicker than going round twice which alot of the guys on here seem to do , also you don,t have to spend all day rinsing , all these posts with rinse and rinse again are ridiculous , simply blade it and you know its ok , i only do this on first cleans and the odd troublesome window , apart from that its splash and dash for me regards alan

Me too! learned that one the hard way.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: traps7 on May 13, 2010, 08:00:22 pm
Oh please!!!.....

First cleans just need extra scrubbing and rinsing maybe with a higher flow rate.

I cant believe you squeegee first cleans.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: david coats on May 14, 2010, 12:37:09 pm
it takes two to three goes with the water to get them clean and streak free when ur doing the windows with the water for the first time
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: Murdie window cleaning on May 14, 2010, 12:55:10 pm
it takes two to three goes with the water to get them clean and streak free when ur doing the windows with the water for the first time

This isn't true in all cases, I've started using wfp just a few weeks ago and I've only had a couple of minor issues with any marking. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe I took in all the advice that I could about scrubbing well and rinsing lots, because in most cases it is detergent residue that causes the spoting.
Title: Re: wfp.000 reading but water staining windows?
Post by: cleewindows on May 14, 2010, 06:32:31 pm
i soap m,y windows and frames now on first cleans rinse well and they come up amazing.
then the next cleans are a doddle,quick clean and jobs a good one. ;D

what you mean soap them. I have never heard of that for wfp.
on first cleans soaping up with tfr will make all the diffrance for future cleans .