[Clear Vision]

We have had a real hard frost this last couple of days/nights and it's supossed to hit -10 tonight.

All my hoses going from my tank to the pump were frozzen solid and so too was the hose going to my hose reel.

I finally got it all thawed out yest late afternoon and went to tesco and bought a couple of double duvets to throw over all my equipment thinking this would stop the frost. Went out this morning and it was all frozzen again

How can I stop this?

I cant get my van near enough the house to run a lead out to it and stick on a electric heater.

Any ideas?

What about a 12v battery and a 12v heater which came on with a timer? Would this be too hard on the battery?

Cheers

Matthew

[[GQC] Tim]

https://www.parasene.com/vshop/prodlist.asp?search=1&parentID=102&l_categoryID=10

Get the ones that work on Paraffin.

[Clear Vision]

Cheers  :

Dont think thats an option leaving that on all night!!?

[[GQC] Tim]

Cheers  :

Dont think thats an option leaving that on all night!!?

Sure it is, just leave the window a tiny bit open, to have enough air coming in, it's very stable, will not tip over, and it's lovely and warm. Make sure you open the van doors in the morning to get rid of the funny smell.

[cybersye]

This is what i do
25 ltr barrel of water mixed with anti freeze, disconnect hose from tank and drop it in the barrel and pump through system for a minute or so. At first job in morning connect back up to tank and pump through for a couple of mins more to flush out the anti freeze, hey presto no more frozen pipes 

p.s. I normally have di after pump in the van but in the cold months I move that inside with the ro, I've never pumped anti freeze mix through it nor would I recommend it.

Simon

[U.S. wfp USER]

Cleantech is said to be working on a 12v van heater system.

Contact them.

[stevekennedy]

Hi Cybersye,

I used to do this in my carpet cleaning days. I put screenwash through and then jetted it out the next job I did. Works well.

Only problem with window cleaning is that your pump, tank and hoses are now contaminated. You would need to flush them out for ages to get rid of the residue. Or am I misunderstanding you?

Steve

[stevekennedy]

Best option is buy a Thermopure or similair heated system. You can recirculate the water back into the tank for a half hour or so on your way home or while you're filling. The hot water in the tank will radiate heat for hours and keep the van frost free.

Thermopure is an expensive option but has many other benefits.

[aztec]

get a greenhouse heater it works fine

[stevekennedy]

get a greenhouse heater it works fine

Is there any problem with your insurance if the van goes up in smoke?

[aztec]

they cut out at a certain temperature you muppett!

[windowwashers]

Best option is buy a Thermopure or similair heated system. You can recirculate the water back into the tank for a half hour or so on your way home or while you're filling. The hot water in the tank will radiate heat for hours and keep the van frost free.

Thermopure is an expensive option but has many other benefits.

  seems to be a very expensive way just to heat your van up.

[john tomkins]

get a greenhouse heater it works fine

Is there any problem with your insurance if the van goes up in smoke?

Don't worry once the flames get to your water tank it'll melt and the water will put the fire out

[stevekennedy]

they cut out at a certain temperature you muppett!

The pariffin ones don't. I should know as I own one.

You are thinking of an electric one. You would get on better if you read the post first and please refrain from name calling as it really shows you up.

This is a professional forum not a school playground.

[stevekennedy]

Best option is buy a Thermopure or similair heated system. You can recirculate the water back into the tank for a half hour or so on your way home or while you're filling. The hot water in the tank will radiate heat for hours and keep the van frost free.

Thermopure is an expensive option but has many other benefits.

  seems to be a very expensive way just to heat your van up.

I agree windowwashers, but I wanted a hot system for other reasons as well. The frost protection was a fringe benefit.

Even the thermopure is a pain sometimes as I am driving home with an empty tank and can't be bothered going out again later to turn it off when the preheating is finished. So, sometimes I still use an electric heater. In the early days I couldn't park near my house as I was on a terrace. Tried the greenhouse paraffin heater but I had trouble sleeping and there was an issue with my van insurance. Not allowed to have a naked flame inside the vehicle. So I calle dIonic and they sadi to preheat the tank. Worked very well.

I have tried other options such a lagging with a duvet as I am always trying to save on Diesel. Electric heater with a thermostat is the most convenient but is very expensive to run.

I am now looking at ways to drain the system.

[East coast window cleaning Services]

get what i got yesterday worked a treat this morning

[windowwashers]

get what i got yesterday worked a treat this morning

something is telling me that is very dangerous 

[stevekennedy]

Take it that is for de-frosting rather than preventing the frost?

Might be a better approach if it works.

So many times I have burnt diesel preheating or had a heater going all night only to find that the forecast frost never happened  :

[East coast window cleaning Services]

defrosting lads wouldnt dream of having that on unattended its got its got safety bars on it but wont be taking the risk. only need it on for 5 mins job done. Worked a treat this morning when i was out doing me shops came back defrosted myself and of i went lol

[windowwashers]

defrosting lads wouldnt dream of having that on unattended its got its got safety bars on it but wont be taking the risk. only need it on for 5 mins job done. Worked a treat this morning when i was out doing me shops came back defrosted myself and of i went lol

thank god, I may try that then.

[East coast window cleaning Services]

got mine for free  but i think there about 50 sheets in most places

[windowwashers]

got mine for free  but i think there about 50 sheets in most places

I bought my RO a double duvet at the weekend 

[aztec]

the muppett reference was only a joke in a friendly way no offence intended!

[Roy Harding]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

[stevekennedy]

the muppett reference was only a joke in a friendly way no offence intended!

None taken 

[stevekennedy]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

I think that would DEFO be a good way to go!

Might be checking that out.

Does it work on a thermostat so you could leave it on overnight?

[cybersye]

Hi Cybersye,

I used to do this in my carpet cleaning days. I put screenwash through and then jetted it out the next job I did. Works well.

Only problem with window cleaning is that your pump, tank and hoses are now contaminated. You would need to flush them out for ages to get rid of the residue. Or am I misunderstanding you?

Steve

Hi Steve
I dont think your misunderstanding me that much, the hose is disconnected from the tank so that does'nt get contaminated, I just pump through a few litres of antifreeze mix that sits in the hoses and pump and reel, sure, screenwash maybe a bother because its soapy but anti freezemix does'nt seem to be a problem, connect to tank in morning and pump it through with a few litres of pure. I've had no problems with this.

Simon

[Sir Squeaky]

the muppett reference was only a joke in a friendly way no offence intended!

None taken 

What a tosser. sorry.

Why not find a way of running a pipe from a cabin airvent into the back?
Then just leave the engine running for 20 mins or so and everything will warm up nicely.(especially on re-circulate)

Why don't manufacturers have a vent into the back?
It would be useful for a lot of people I'd guess, not just window cleaners.

[martindrz400]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

[Roy Harding]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

I think that would DEFO be a good way to go!

Might be checking that out.

Lorry drivers have them on all  night to heat the cab, and the motor caravans do so they are fully ajustable.

This is the cheapest I have seen they normaly sell £500 +

Roy


Does it work on a thermostat so you could leave it on overnight?

[windowwashers]

the muppett reference was only a joke in a friendly way no offence intended!

None taken 

What a tosser. sorry.

Why not find a way of running a pipe from a cabin airvent into the back?
Then just leave the engine running for 20 mins or so and everything will warm up nicely.(especially on re-circulate)

Why don't manufacturers have a vent into the back?
It would be useful for a lot of people I'd guess, not just window cleaners.

Squeaky I had a rad in my van for 2 hours defrosting hoses the other day, totally solid they were aswell even water on the floor was ice.

[Sir Squeaky]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

So for a mere £200,000 he could solve his problem.

I'm sure he'll be glad of that useful advice.

[Sir Squeaky]

Squeaky I had a rad in my van for 2 hours defrosting hoses the other day, totally solid they were aswell even water on the floor was ice.

I don't understand that.
You only live in Cambridgeshire, not up north.

I haven't had any problems and it was -4 the other night.

[NWH]

Where`s Royston?

[stevekennedy]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

Let me think about that...

£250,000 for a new house or £500 for a heater

hmmm... I just can't decide what is the best option for him...

(Actually, I agree with you. But not everyone is able to move and the leccy does cost a fair amount)

[Clear Vision]

Cleantech is said to be working on a 12v van heater system.

Contact them.

Thanks for that

But thats not solving the problem now.

[stevekennedy]

Where`s Royston?

Its a local town for local people

[windowwashers]

Squeaky I had a rad in my van for 2 hours defrosting hoses the other day, totally solid they were aswell even water on the floor was ice.

I don't understand that.
You only live in Cambridgeshire, not up north.

I haven't had any problems and it was -4 the other night.

I was shocked myself m8.

[stevekennedy]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

So for a mere £200,000 he could solve his problem.

I'm sure he'll be glad of that useful advice.

Squeeky, you are too quick with the comebacks 

Couldn't get mine in quick enough mate 

[windowwashers]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

So for a mere £200,000 he could solve his problem.

I'm sure he'll be glad of that useful advice.

Squeeky, you are too quick with the comebacks 

Couldn't get mine in quick enough mate 

he hasnt seen the other post yet  : :

[stevekennedy]

No 

He is gonna kill me

[Clear Vision]

buy a house with a drive and garage and use a electric heater

Good gosh old chap!

Why didn't I think of that idea!!!!

Ive been stressing out all day as well, and all along the answer was staring me in the face.

martindrz400 I dont know what we would do without you!

Problem now solved, Cheers

[stevekennedy]

 

[windowwashers]

No 

He is gonna kill me

or me lol

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=47394.0

[martindrz400]

only joking safest option in my opinion is a flat camping stove cant tip over

[Clear Vision]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

That looks good roy!

But diesel? How on earth do you rig that kind of setup up? Does it use the vehicles diesel tank? or does it have its own supply of fuel?

[stevekennedy]

No 

He is gonna kill me

or me lol

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=47394.0

You are gonna get roasted when he sees that mate!

[Roy Harding]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

That looks good roy!

But diesel? How on earth do you rig that kind of setup up? Does it use the vehicles diesel tank? or does it have its own supply of fuel?

You can do both, you can have a small 1gal tank or tap into the main tank. A good garage would fit it. They use only a small amount of diesel.

Roy

[Clear Vision]

This will do the trick cheap to.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EBERSPACHER-AIRTRONIC-D2-CAMPER-LORRY-VAN-BOAT-HEATER_W0QQitemZ130183227073QQihZ003QQcategoryZ76066QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Roy

That looks good roy!

But diesel? How on earth do you rig that kind of setup up? Does it use the vehicles diesel tank? or does it have its own supply of fuel?

You can do both, you can have a small 1gal tank or tap into the main tank. A good garage would fit it. They use only a small amount of diesel.

Roy

Cheers roy.

As I plan to change my vehicle in the near future I would rather have a tin of diesel sitting along side.

Could I link it in to a sepperate 12 v battery instead of linking it into the vehicles battery? Or would it run it flat too quick to do it that way?

[Wayne Thomas]

Buy yourself an Omnipole hot water unit. I had mine installed just before this weather dipped to below freezing. Perfect timing. Lovely having heat on tap when I fancy and nice hot, soft hoses

[NWH]

Wayne can you give me some info on thst unit please,that`s the one i`m thinking of getting next year ie how easy to use-how expensive,and how much room it takes up.

[Sir Squeaky]

No 

He is gonna kill me

or me lol

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=47394.0

You are gonna get roasted when he sees that mate!

Did I miss something?
I can't see any p*sstakes on there.

[Wayne Thomas]

Wayne can you give me some info on thst unit please,that`s the one i`m thinking of getting next year ie how easy to use-how expensive,and how much room it takes up.

NWH:
Dead easy to use the water heater. I posted the details in a previous thread to do with Ionic heater systems. Uses 1 litre of diesel an hour if running permanently. Can run it on red diesel for less than half the price. Heater dimensions are on Omnipole's website (takes up about 2.5ft by 2ft very approx.  The only thing you've got to watch out for is: if running your pumps and heater off of two 12volt batteries linked together via split charge relay and you're running heater and pumps continuously all day non stop then you will definitely have to top up, charge both batteries overnight because of the amps drawn fromthe batteries. The heater draws 6 or 6.5 amps an hour. Overall verdict on the heater: it's very good and simple to use.

[Conflagration2000]

A simple lit candle will prevent the inside of your van from dropping below freezing. Just make sure it's on a solid base, maybe in bowl. The seals around the doors and the floor aren't perfect so the amount of air coming into the van will ensure the candle remains lit.

Before any of you start screaming that this won't work, my Dad is a retired plumber and that's how they used to prevent pipes within complete roof voids from freezing.

[windowwashers]

A simple lit candle will prevent the inside of your van from dropping below freezing. Just make sure it's on a solid base, maybe in bowl. The seals around the doors and the floor aren't perfect so the amount of air coming into the van will ensure the candle remains lit.

Before any of you start screaming that this won't work, my Dad is a retired plumber and that's how they used to prevent pipes within complete roof voids from freezing.

I am going to try that just to see if it works, I can see the logic.

Still need a long term solution.

[Wayne Thomas]

A simple lit candle will prevent the inside of your van from dropping below freezing. Just make sure it's on a solid base, maybe in bowl. The seals around the doors and the floor aren't perfect so the amount of air coming into the van will ensure the candle remains lit.

Before any of you start screaming that this won't work, my Dad is a retired plumber and that's how they used to prevent pipes within complete roof voids from freezing.

How do Jews keep warm in the winter?
















They all sit around a candle

How do Jews keep warm on a very, very cold day?















They light the candle

[windowwashers]

A simple lit candle will prevent the inside of your van from dropping below freezing. Just make sure it's on a solid base, maybe in bowl. The seals around the doors and the floor aren't perfect so the amount of air coming into the van will ensure the candle remains lit.

Before any of you start screaming that this won't work, my Dad is a retired plumber and that's how they used to prevent pipes within complete roof voids from freezing.

How do Jews keep warm in the winter?
















They all sit around a candle

How do Jews keep warm on a very, very cold day?















They light the candle

why the gag about jews ?

[Wayne Thomas]

Jews are meant to be tight (No offence to any Jews reading this forum)

The Jew gag is related to the candle heating the van

[windowwashers]

Jews are meant to be tight (No offence to any Jews reading this forum)

I think that is a total myth, I have many on my rounds, and are by far one of the best customers to have IMO.

I am guessing the post will be edited by admin. as not very PC 

Radio 1 edited a song that had f*g**t in, what is the UK coming to 

[Conflagration2000]

Radio 2 didn't

[Conflagration2000]

A Muslim, a Jewish man, a Chinese bloke and an Afro-carribean feller where sat in a bar:












What a wonderful example of an intergrated society 










Not that fond of racism

[Clear Vision]

please go back to topic!!!!!

[Wayne Thomas]

Sorry to interupt this thread but talking PC with all the Poles, Romanians and every other nationality living in this country.... I wonder how long it will be until jokes about the (True) Brits will be classed as PC too

[windowwashers]

Sorry to interupt this thread but talking PC with all the Poles, Romanians and every other nationality living in this country.... I wonder how long it will be until jokes about the (True) Brits will be classed as PC too

we will be the joke in time, if we are not already it