Joe H

Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« on: October 09, 2009, 01:03:08 pm »
Been asked to post this from another forum........

Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
by Steve Gunn on Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:54 am

Would it not be possible to set up a benevolent fund for carpet cleaners for when death or illness happens to help out the families.It would take a lot of organising and would need to be ran as a charity not sure how many would be up for it to make it viable

Could someone paste this on ciu and cleantalk to see what peoples views are?

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 03:05:24 pm »
I think that because mostly, we carpet cleaners are one man bands, this would not work!

Your suggestion that we should all have life cover in an earlier thread is fair enough, and I myself am insured for a sizable pay out! (Don't tell the wife!)

The Fire Service Benevolent Fund see's a lot of it's funds from donations by Jo public and the like. I can't really see people giving money to "Carpet Cleaners Benevolent Fund", it's not as if we're seen as heroes as with the Fire Service etc....

And if there was any suggestion that we carpet cleaners could pay into the pot, then why not just use that same money to cover your own life, through an insurance agency?


clinton

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 03:18:39 pm »
Same here colin and also have beside cover as well a pension plan that i get a pay out if i want to stop working when am 50 ::)

Could work mind you and would need someone in a trustworthy position to look after all the money i guess :)

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 03:20:36 pm »
Colin

I think it's only aimed at other carpet cleaners coughing up. It's a nice idea.

The main message is GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER. But it's nice when fellow CC reach out to those in real need.

clinton

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2009, 04:01:20 pm »
Your right mike and its also good to know other c cleaners would help in some way or another :)

Mike Halliday

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 04:02:59 pm »
the best thing we could do to help other carpet cleaners is make it easy for them to take care of their own families in case they unfortunately die.

what I mean is we all go online and get a quote for life insurance and put those quotes were we all can see them. What stops us all sorting out insurance is apathy, we can't be arsed....... so lets all do it for each other.

if I die next week I'd like to think  my partner would get 200grand. this would help her with any financial difficulty that might arise from bringing up our son without me.

so this weekend I'll search on line for life insurance, and put my quote here for everyone to see.

if a few of us do it we might help the next guy who passes away but fortunately he  has seen the info we find and it kicked his arse into gear and prompt him to get some life insurance. 

when I die I want you all to laugh and say good riddance to the wan***r ;D ;D .....not think you have to have a whip round to help my wife (after all she's probably going to be the one that kills me!!)
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Teddycare

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 04:11:12 pm »
Benevolent fund, blimey we will be calling each other brother and collectively brethren before long ;D

robert meldrum

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 04:25:08 pm »
Teddycare

That's rubbish Steve's suggestion is the best suggestion made on here possibly ever and it's certainly not a bunch of namby pamby socialists floating it.

Perhaps Dr Carpet could suggest how such a fund could be set up and managed.

If 1000 carpet cleaners donated just £4 a month that could become a considerable fund from which to help the unfortunate.


derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 04:44:15 pm »
i'm with colin and mike H on this. gonna do the same as mike H, see what quotes we get.

good idea for a new association though ;) ;D

derek

Doug Holloway

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 04:54:20 pm »
Hi Guys

A nice idea but most CC's are busy trying to make a living, far better to take out a term assurance personally, which is much cheaper than whole of life and only pays if you die during the term.

I did this but thankfully didn't use it and now my kids are grown up, I have about 35K of whole life linked to my pension, used to be most tax efficent way, not sure now.

Ted, I don't think Rob got where you were coming from !

Cheers

Doug

robert meldrum

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 06:08:50 pm »
Obviously not Doug and still don't.  It came across as sarcasm, a kind of Tommy ( socialist ) Sheridan might make.  Must be my Capitalist upbringing !

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 07:11:09 pm »
I think he's pulling Teddy's rolled up trouser leg.  ;)

Jim Gibbard

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2009, 08:49:24 pm »
How many people on this forum do not have insurance for their business or vehicles.  Just add personal life insurance as well.  It sounds as though many on here do not have life insurance as they are going to seek quotes. 

Death is one of those things, it is definitely going to affect you - the question is WHEN?  Who knows, pick up the paper any day you like and you will see reports of people dying unexpectedly - YES !! it's always someone else, is it not, it could not possibly be me.  Try telling that to the poor souls who thought just that.

I for one, do not expect anyone else to pick up the tab if I happen to die unexpectedly.  I have accepted the responsibility that it is up to me to provide cover for my family should the worst come true and not rely on the genuine good nature of anyone else.  Let's face it, everyone has the opportunity to have life insurance ( perhaps it should be called death insurance ).  If they choose not to, that is down to them and no one else.

Jim

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robert meldrum

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2009, 09:36:27 pm »
Unfortunately some may find what I found a couple of years ago, when I was refused life cover when changing mortgage provider
Having been superfit all my adult life it was a real shock when I had a heart attack
Had I continued with my previous insurer my cover was secure and would have continued but I made a bad decision and cancelled in favour of another which was suggested by our mortgage broker.
Stuffed !!

Len Gribble

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2009, 09:53:19 pm »
One needs to look at funeral costs less you spend more you save well family to pay the bills unless you have a funeral plan

Cardboard Coffin (environmentally friendly) about £90quid

Not really happy with those who marketing some ones death

Len
Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other. (Sidcup Kent)

Jim Gibbard

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2009, 10:04:49 pm »
One needs to look at funeral costs less you spend more you save well family to pay the bills unless you have a funeral plan

Cardboard Coffin (environmentally friendly) about £90quid

Not really happy with those who marketing some ones death

Len


Who are these death marketers Len?



Jim
www.spic-n-span.co.uk
Cleaning is our Game - Excellence is our Aim !!!

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2009, 10:05:56 pm »
len, you really need to get your full stop and comma keys fixed on your keyboard.
i nearly had a heart attack reading that. ;D
derek

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2009, 10:17:07 pm »
Hope you're insured Derek ;D


Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2009, 10:22:31 pm »
Benevolent Funds are for those who work within the emergency serices or our armed services.
The rest of us know the rules, get life insurance.
I'm not anti helping out those who have died suddenly and I have donated to the few who have left our 'circuit' in the last couple of years but given the money people on here and other forums boast of earning, putting a small amount of that into a savings plan or insurance isn't asking much is it. Afterall aren't we all clever enough to be running businesses?

Doug Holloway

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2009, 11:17:56 pm »
Hi Guys

Rob, never heard of Tommy Sheridan but I can assure you it's got nothing to do with socialism but charity , yes !

Cheers

Doug

Jason Hedges

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 11:25:14 pm »
 Hows about a fund where people pay in an £x ammount of a month.

Could be there to help people or families in need?

All the best,
Jason.

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2009, 12:01:34 am »
50p a month maybe but £4 a month?
thats a maccies or 20 fAgs or a good greasy full english. ;D

like i said, i'm with mike H, gonna get me one of those insurance thingy's. just make sure i study the small print. ;)


derek

robert meldrum

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2009, 07:57:14 am »
Doug
You're fortunate to have never heard of Sheridan........a dinosaur in politics still waving the little Red book. He was in one of these " reality " programs I think Big Brother ( ironically )

God I must be slowing down in terms of rolled up trouser legs ...........my father, grandfather, greatgrandfather were all members, but I thought I could do without them, which I did to a fair extent, but working alongside one at one time was absolutely amazing.

Robert Watson

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2009, 09:04:27 am »
Robert,
How many politicians do you know that went to jail for their beliefs,
only took half his salary, got warrant sales abolished, told the people how thing really work.
Thats why the guy is being hounded. Did more for ordinary people than your torys ever did or ever will.
Anyway this is the wrong forum to be discussing Scottish politics.
Rab
The Kitchen Door Centre

Mike Halliday

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2009, 12:27:04 pm »
 picked up a leaflet while shopping last night.

tescos insurance; non smoking male ages 38 ......£100,000..... £ 10.77P A MONTH.

If I was senting up an association I would consider adding a life insurance benefit into the membership fee, it would be a good selling point and show you actually care about your members.. and it would cost very little probably  £30 for a year even if it was just 30grands wrth of cover.

or!!!

imagine if a chemical seller told you that if you spent £150 a month on chemicals with his company he would give you £50,000 of free life insurance.

I used to pay £80 for AA cover, part of that was £20k if I died in a vehicle accident
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2009, 04:14:34 pm »
Nice idea but I think sentiment is getting in the way or logical thinking here. I'm all for helping out in an informal way as the case may arise, but really, ignorance/laziness/pretending you can't afford it is no defence in not having proper life insurance/assurance-it's advertised enough!!

For setting up something like this there are all sorts of legal issues to overcome and that's before you even get onto who would run it. I'm also thinking about what happened to the money paid into the Fairpak Christmas Trading Scheme which went bust a couple of years ago and that's without even considering the possibility that somebody could do a runner with the premiums.

For the small amount of monthly premium suggested it would simply be easier to put that into your own life policy. You would also get the money invested properly. (Can you imagine if some members of this Benevolent Fund disagreed with the return on the investment or how it was being invested. Or what about if two c/c's died within a very short time of each other and there were not enough funds in the pot to pay out both?)

(Robert I do accept you have an insurmountable problem but would the c/c fund not have to come up with similar "rules".)

A further problem, what if a c/cer dies and does already have lots of cover; would they still be eligible to call upon the fund?

Several of you mention tying a premium into something you already get like chemicals etc. Well here's another thought....

Why doesn't the NCCA do something like this :o, but maybe that is opening another can of worms entirely. ::)

I'm sorry to be so negative, but it really is a non-starter.

PS If you can't afford your own premiums then you are doing something wrong. Perhaps you should increase your cleaning prices-afterall that is one of the reasons we say that we charge a proper price for cleaning, in other words it's to cover all the costs of living and not just creating beer money.

Roger
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2009, 04:21:45 pm »
I like others used to Sell Life  Assurance but convincing people of the need was difficult.

While  my kids were growing up I could not sleep at night  if I was not covered

I maintained the cover and payments even when I fell on extreemly hard times.

The other day I went into Lloyds bank to take out a new fixed term policy anf the Finnancial  Consultant regarded my request with susspision  saying it was not usual to take out such a policy at my age what did I want for.


These policies are not designed to give my wife a nest egg in the event of my death.


So I went elsewhere.

My advise  make sure you have life cover to cover your debts and ideally 3 years  living costs for you partner and young children

Although  I can see Steves idea  put your money in life cover and if you can afford sickness cover but watch small print

paul moss

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2009, 05:11:53 pm »
Ive had  the Alltec emails like the rest of you.

Does any one have a name and address for sending money to other than Alltec.

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2009, 05:25:41 pm »
I don't think providing a benevolent fund is really necessary, as has already been stated it is down to us to make sure we have the proper insurances in place.

What I do think we should do, and what I admire so much about the inhabitants of these forums is that when a tragedy like this occurs, we immediately set aside whatever squabbles we have between us and focus on helping those in distress and that is what we should do now. The trouble is no one seems to know where to send the money to??

Simon

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Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2009, 05:26:18 pm »
Doug

I can't believe you've never heard of Tommy Sheridan, one of the best players Manchester United ever had.  ;)

Paul

Joe H

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2009, 05:41:07 pm »
I have just emailed Robert Saunders at Alltec asking if there is anything in existance for contributions to be sent to.
Will be at least Monday before a reply.
Will post back as soon as I do.

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2009, 12:31:37 pm »
£100,000, smoker aged 44, £30 a month, is that any good, oh! £15 a month for non smoker.
derek

clinton

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2009, 04:24:35 pm »
That about 4 packs of fAgs i guess a month ;D

Give em up ;D ;D

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2009, 04:33:29 pm »
15 a  day.  shhhhhhhmmmokin ;D

i only declared 5 units a week though ;D dya think they might notice when it takes 12 years for my body to decompose ;D

ive just decided on £50k cover over 20 years for £17.31 a month.

got no debts so she should manage on that.

derek

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2009, 04:35:09 pm »
I packed in smoking 3 years ago and have just packed drinking in (I'm allowed 1 Can of lager on Saturday ::)!)

I feel I should be taking another vice up though..... Like shoplifting or something ;D

clinton

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2009, 04:37:42 pm »
Do you the world of good colin an th drinking even more ;D

Unless you like geting out of your head at the weekends ;D

Derek

Thats not a bad sum mate when you go..

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2009, 04:39:08 pm »
could be worse, could take up splash n dashing ;D
if i had to choose, i'd rather be a shoplifter than a splash and dasher, the initials speak for themselves really, S.A.D ;D
derek

derek west

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2009, 04:40:47 pm »
clinton
shame i won't be around to spend it. just glad i won't be around when she's spending it, imagine going shopping with a women thats got 50k in her purse, aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D
derek

clinton

Re: Benevolent Fund For Carpet Cleaners
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2009, 04:45:58 pm »
Wont fit in here purse mind you ;D

Think it will be worth more as well then in 2029 ;D