Blacky

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Your Margins!!
« on: January 21, 2013, 09:08:28 pm »
As a successful carpet cleaning sole trader you should be running a margin of 40%. In other words, you take 40 pence in every £1 you earn. This would be a business that is investing in its future. 

Now I'm not talking about the grim carpet cleaners that work from old cars that achieve 95-100% margins. What they earn, they take. Usually 15k per annum (£10950 after tax and NI) for fAgs and booze.

With a 40% profit margin your incomes as a 1 man band should read as follows,,,

For a modest, low(ish) income (same as a bin man),,,
Gross annual takings (what you bring in) £64000 - Nett after running costs £ 25600 - Gross Taxable wage including NI £ 25600 - Nett wage after tax and NI (your money) £ 18688  

If your aiming for a good middleclass wage (same as accountant),,,
Gross annual takings (what you bring in)  £108000 - Nett after running costs £ 43200 - Gross taxable wage including NI  £43200 - Nett wage after tax and NI (your money) £31536

The more you expand into employing workers the more you margin takes a hit. So as a 3 van carpet cleaning set up with 6 workers, your margin would equate to around 8%. The staff you employ are all costs to your business. That hits margin like a sledge hammer. The business would typically take 8pence in every £1 earned.

Ok, so your company pulls in £770000 - Nett after running costs, wages including your own etc - £61000 - Taxable takings your company has generated £61000.

Hope this clarifies where you are and where you should be aiming for.


Paul Moss

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2013, 09:13:22 pm »
And your point is?

Fran84

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2013, 09:15:15 pm »
Gotta agree with Paul. I don't get your point!!

peter maybury

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2013, 09:28:59 pm »
Whilst you are happy to give us a lesson in business, the only way that you can make a margin or profit of 100% is if you have done nothing and it has not cost you anything to achieve that profit.
If you can tell me a way of achieving that in carpet cleaning I am all ears.  
If you mark something up by 100% it will give you a net profit or margin of 50%.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com

Hilton

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2013, 09:58:24 pm »
WHAT!!!!!

My binmen are on £64k , bloody public sector are coining it, I'm off to get a job.

Apart from that a lot of assumptions in there, a carpet cleaning business turning over £770,000 net would be doing what exactly gross,1.5 million ?

I don't know any CC businesses that do anything close to that and I know some
big ones..

Many CC I suspect would be quite happy with what the a binmen earn.

Deep Cleaning Solutions

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2013, 10:02:07 pm »
" Usually 15k per annum (£10950 after tax and NI) for f*gs and booze. "

If they are earning 15k gross, they should not be paying any tax after expenditure/fuel is taken out with todays very generous personel tax allowance's.
David.
Owner of Deep Cleaning Solutions.
Expert in Web Design & SEO
www.rocketwebsitedesigners.co.uk

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2013, 10:04:38 pm »
I think he ment you'd have to turnover 64k to earn what binmen earn (according to blacky) i.e. £ 18688.

Sorry black but alot of blox in that post. A turnover of £108,000 for a take home of £31,500???  ???

Blacky

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 10:06:38 pm »
I think he ment you'd have to turnover 64k to earn what binmen earn (according to blacky) i.e. £ 18688.

Sorry black but alot of blox in that post. A turnover of £108,000 for a take home of £31,500???  ???

Yes that is correct.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 10:10:05 pm »
thats alot of carpet washing for a modest wage  :-[

Blacky

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 10:11:19 pm »
WHAT!!!!!

My binmen are on £64k , bloody public sector are coining it, I'm off to get a job.

Apart from that a lot of assumptions in there, a carpet cleaning business turning over £770,000 net would be doing what exactly gross,1.5 million ?

I don't know any CC businesses that do anything close to that and I know some
big ones..

Many CC I suspect would be quite happy with what the a binmen earn.

You've got it wrong. 770,000 was the gross.

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 10:37:57 pm »
As a successful carpet cleaning sole trader you should be running a margin of 40%. In other words, you take 40 pence in every £1 you earn. This would be a business that is investing in its future. 

Now I'm not talking about the grim carpet cleaners that work from old cars that achieve 95-100% margins. What they earn, they take. Usually 15k per annum (£10950 after tax and NI) for f*gs and booze.

With a 40% profit margin your incomes as a 1 man band should read as follows,,,

For a modest, low(ish) income (same as a bin man),,,
Gross annual takings (what you bring in) £64000 - Nett after running costs £ 25600 - Gross Taxable wage including NI £ 25600 - Nett wage after tax and NI (your money) £ 18688  

If your aiming for a good middleclass wage (same as accountant),,,
Gross annual takings (what you bring in)  £108000 - Nett after running costs £ 43200 - Gross taxable wage including NI  £43200 - Nett wage after tax and NI (your money) £31536

The more you expand into employing workers the more you margin takes a hit. So as a 3 van carpet cleaning set up with 6 workers, your margin would equate to around 8%. The staff you employ are all costs to your business. That hits margin like a sledge hammer. The business would typically take 8pence in every £1 earned.

Ok, so your company pulls in £770000 - Nett after running costs, wages including your own etc - £61000 - Taxable takings your company has generated £61000.

Hope this clarifies where you are and where you should be aiming for.


Oh dear, someone doesn't t know what he's talking about :'(

Hilton

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 10:51:08 pm »
WHAT!!!!!

My binmen are on £64k , bloody public sector are coining it, I'm off to get a job.

Apart from that a lot of assumptions in there, a carpet cleaning business turning over £770,000 net would be doing what exactly gross,1.5 million ?

I don't know any CC businesses that do anything close to that and I know some
big ones..

Many CC I suspect would be quite happy with what the a binmen earn.

You've got it wrong. 770,000 was the gross.

Ok I must have read it wrong, I will rephrase it,
I don't know any carpet cleaners who do sales of £770,000

Are you doing this, if so congratulations you should be writing courses and books on how you did it.I mean that's 6 jobs a day at around 500 pounds a ticket.

John Kelly

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 11:03:02 pm »
Be interesting to see what peoples gross margins actually are if anyones brave enough to tell us.

Hilton

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 11:09:44 pm »
Ok, let's start with you.. ;D

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 11:16:33 pm »
John follows my lead, 40% of nothing is nothing after all its grim t'up north.

Shaun

M.Acorn

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2013, 11:22:59 pm »
Utterly buttery
What goes around comes around

derek west

Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2013, 11:33:18 pm »
Utterly buttery
;D

Flora man me self, apparently it lowers cholesterol .

Blacky

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2013, 11:39:01 pm »
WHAT!!!!!

My binmen are on £64k , bloody public sector are coining it, I'm off to get a job.

Apart from that a lot of assumptions in there, a carpet cleaning business turning over £770,000 net would be doing what exactly gross,1.5 million ?

I don't know any CC businesses that do anything close to that and I know some
big ones..

Many CC I suspect would be quite happy with what the a binmen earn.

You've got it wrong. 770,000 was the gross.

Ok I must have read it wrong, I will rephrase it,
I don't know any carpet cleaners who do sales of £770,000

Are you doing this, if so congratulations you should be writing courses and books on how you did it.I mean that's 6 jobs a day at around 500 pounds a ticket.


You need to read the last section again. I mention 3 vans and 6 workers to pull £770,000. No sole trader could ever gross this.

Blacky

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2013, 11:50:27 pm »
I dont know why people are so shocked by this. 40% is a superb margin. Large companys take 5% or less.

I bet John Kellys margin is around 18-20%

If you want a 100% margin on what you earn, get a job. If not, get your ass into gear and work hard.

seamus campbell

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Re: Your Margins!!
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2013, 12:06:50 am »
Blacky

I would be interested to know what you have allowed for expenses on your turnover £64000. that leaves you with only £25600.