Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Steven Butler on June 11, 2013, 06:49:18 am
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Obviously Powerburst wouldn't be chosen to clean wool carpets BUT if it was used and used with an acid rinse what damage would it do??
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None.
Simon
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Despite what some may tell you nothing will happen. For more years than i care to remember we used PowerBrust and the ones before it on high quality woolen carpets and never had a problem
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Cheers lads.
To be honest i used it yesterday and have been a bit worried because alot of things ive read say dont use it on wool but others say its ok.
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Used it for years on dirty or greasy wool carpets, brilliant stuff but should be acid rinsed.
Simon
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Can power burst be used in tank (porti) or only or preferred as a pre-spray when doing pub/restaurant carpets and then a fresh water/acid rinse
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Cheers Simon,
I did use acid rinse, always do to be honest.
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Can power burst be used in tank (porti) or only or preferred as a pre-spray when doing pub/restaurant carpets and then a fresh water/acid rinse
It is a pre-spray only. Re-soiling would be an issue if used as a rinse.
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Watch out for leaving yellow stains on wool the enzymes can discolour wool.
Shaun
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rubbish
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Paul, what do u mean rubbish mate
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What Paul eloquently put was that in most cases it's fine but I recently provided an insurance report for a landlord where a wool carpet had yellow patches on it after professional cleaning, the cleaner had used an enzyme pre spray and had doused the spots with the product then rinsed upon drying the carpet went yellow, remedial work by the cleaner was unsuccessful.
I knew it was an enzyme product as the cleaner called me to ask my findings.
Shaun
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It could just as easily have been a reaction to whatever the stain was, which may well have happened regardless of what product was used, so perhaps a little misleading to blame it on the use of enzymes IMO.
Simon
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PB is an enzyme free, high PH detergent.
So if the cleaner in question used PB then it definitely wasn't any enzymes that caused the damage.
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Good point.
Simon
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I can see your point Simon but based on the information given and what I saw the outcome was the enzyme, the marks were grey/black protein or food marks as explained by the cleaner, years ago may be 12 years when I used to use a similar product I did send a cream 80% 20% wool twist yellow in various areas I had actually done the same as this guy luckily for me I was able to reverse the damage with acid rinse on some and reducer on others.
Shaun
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So did he use PB Shaun?
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i use it a lot and never had a problem in fact today i was trying to be a good boy and follow all the rules but it was bloody hard work so mixed up powerburst , sprayed, left 5 mins, no agitation and rinsed, ahhhhhhhh like a knife through butter, came up a treat
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Yes he used pb and acid rinsed he also thought the carpet was pp but that's another story.
Shaun
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One for the chemist to answer ::)roll
David
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Powerburst will melt a wool carpet, but if you use an acid rinse it will be fine afterwards. ;)
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Wayne is right, i now 3 carpet cleaners that had thier fingers melted to the bone just by mixing power burst up into their prespray.
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Wayne is right, i now 3 carpet cleaners that had thier fingers melted to the bone just by mixing power burst up into their prespray.
You should of told them to put soy sauce on them! It makes the skin grow back
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Billy Russell breathed it in as he was mixing it and look what it's done to his face ;D
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Well me not being a chemist I wouldn't like to guess what caused the problem.
Although, I can say it definitely wasn't enzymes!!
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Powerburst is enzyme free. However high alkalinity can brown light wool fibres. I know a number of cases where this has happened. Usually because they have mixed alkaline pre-sprays too strong.
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I mixed it 15ml per ltr of water as per instructions and rinsed with final phase so is it pretty safe to assume there will be no issues?
Cheers
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Run a test with your set up for peace of mind.
Results will vary depending on level of acidic soil, strength of final phase and the flow of your equipment.
A small Numatic George/Puzzi wont flush it as well as a high spec TM and due to the buffering of Powerburst it could fight off the neutralisiation of your rinse quite effectively.
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Shaun, forgive me if I’ve misunderstood. Are you saying that you wrote a report for an insurance company saying that enzymes in the cleaning product used by the carpet cleaner were to blame, when in fact the product used contained no enzymes?
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I often use powerburst as prespray and an acid rinse after for washing wool rugs. The question is about dwell time. Need dwell time?
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2013!!
As has been stated before. Powerburst is not really intended for cleaning 100% wool oriental rugs. The instructions do say if used for cleaning wool, rinse with fiber and fabric rinse. Many people have, including myself, cleaned wool carpets with powerburst with no problems. Because of its alkalinity ph11 it runs the risk of causing color bleed and cellulose browning. Dwell time will improve cleaning performance, but will also increase the risk of color bleed and cellulose browning.
There is no set way of using a product for a use it was not intended.
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This thread was started in 2013 and Shaun made reference to using it 12 years previously, somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to remember that Prochem did include enzymes in Powerburst in the original formulation. If I am right it’s quite likely that Powerburst was an enzyme based product in 2001.
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They had a product simply called Enzyme Prespray (powdered) but it was withdrawn after a couple of years and powerburst replaced it.
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That’s the one, I’d forgotten it had a different name. Craftex copied it at the time and they still produce it Powdered Enzyme Pre Spray.
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Powerbust has never had an enzyme in it.
The one that did was Prochem Enzyme Prespray which was replaced with Prochem Hi-Force, then Powerburst.
Personally I dont like the stuff.
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SO powerburst doesn't need the enzymes??
vs Enzall then it should do similar job?
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SO powerburst doesn't need the enzymes??
vs Enzall then it should do similar job?
Yes a similar job but in a different way. Powerburst uses solvents to break down grease Enzall uses enzymes to digest grease. Both products are excellent.