Is a BWCA Course worth it?(Is Tosh secretly Stalin?)

« **on:** August 10, 2005, 06:40:10 pm »

Why did you lock that thread, it was just getting interesting, did you notice that the man from express cleaning services copied and pasted what was on there website regarding the course.

So my point is, will anyone dare venture a definitive answer to the question is the course worth it? What can it teach us who are already using wfp?

Tosh, dont stifle free debate!!!!!!!!!!

« **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2005, 07:03:02 pm »

Quote from: alansavvi on August 10, 2005, 06:40:10 pm

Tosh, dont stifle free debate!!!!!!!!!!

I try not too. I've made a weak attempt at being a 'spelling and grammer Hitler' before and it didn't work out to well for me or my comprehensive schoolboy education.

And, having been there before, I could see the BWCA post turning out the same way as it did for me. So I thought I'd lock it.

So come on members who've attended a BWCA course. Alan has thrown the gauntlet.

To Alan,

It might be a good idea to modify your post title to 'BWCA Course - what did you learn?' or something similar, otherwise there'll be a load of posts agreeing with you or comparing me with Hitler or Mussolini or someone!

« **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2005, 07:06:10 pm »

Tosh

You are a gentleman for taking the critism so well.

Lets see if i can truly get an answer to my question.

How do you modify a title?

« **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2005, 10:52:05 am »

Hi
Just come across this conversation
Does the course provide full training for absailing and harness work
If no, then where?

Thanks

Malc

« **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2005, 06:56:03 pm »

why should we pay our money & get the training & give the tips to others who cant be bothered going on a course!

« **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2005, 07:02:42 pm »

Quote from: premier window cleaners on August 11, 2005, 06:56:03 pm

why should we pay our money & get the training & give the tips to others who cant be bothered going on a course!

Ah, come on now! That's not in the spirit of the forum! Why not tell us 'why' we should attend a course.

How has it improved your business?

« **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2005, 07:53:41 pm »

Quote from: Clean and shine on August 11, 2005, 10:52:05 am

Hi
Just come across this conversation
Does the course provide full training for absailing and harness work
If no, then where?

Thanks

Malc

Malc,

You require an IRATA Course;

You should find what you require here:

http://www.rope-access.co.uk/irata_links.html

I believe it's not cheap a course, and I'm kicking myself I didn't do it for my Resettlement Training when I left the army. They would've paid for the lot, and paid me at the same time!

Oh, just remembered, I had a conversation with an IRATA trained guy (a Geordie) and he was fairly well paid, working for a company. He wasn't a window cleaner, but had window cleaned using his IRATA skills, but was paid to do what-ever job requiredabseiling skills.

He was here in Chepstow pulling the weeds out of cliff faces along the railway line.

« **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2005, 08:52:44 pm »

Quote from: Tosh on August 11, 2005, 07:53:41 pm

Quote from: Clean and shine on August 11, 2005, 10:52:05 am
Hi
Just come across this conversation
Does the course provide full training for absailing and harness work
If no, then where?

Thanks

Malc

Malc,

You require an IRATA Course;

You should find what you require here:

http://www.rope-access.co.uk/irata_links.html

I believe it's not cheap a course, and I'm kicking myself I didn't do it for my Resettlement Training when I left the army. They would've paid for the lot, and paid me at the same time!

Oh, just remembered, I had a conversation with an IRATA trained guy (a Geordie) and he was fairly well paid, working for a company. He wasn't a window cleaner, but had window cleaned using his IRATA skills, but was paid to do what-ever job requiredabseiling skills.

He was here in Chepstow pulling the weeds out of cliff faces along the railway line.

Great

Thanks Tosh

What a helpfull chap you can be when you put your mind to it

« **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2005, 11:43:15 pm »

Hi Tosh - Malc G here:-

Quoting Tosh:- "I've made a weak attempt at being a 'spelling and grammer Hitler'"

That'd be grammar, not grammer - eh, Tosh? signed Adolf.

« **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2005, 11:47:11 pm »

Very good.
Are you sure it's not an IRATE course needed here?

« **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:00:54 am »

GRAHAM:BET ITS STILL BOUNCING AROUND

GAZA

« **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2005, 06:05:28 pm »

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Keep to your debate alan savvy?
I haven't put my photo up, I'm sure you guys are doing well but you look a bit like "The only two window cleaners in the village" (Little Britain).
dont be so dogmatic about getting the exact answers to your questions..
Do you want rules and paperwork for everything? Aren't we getting stifled enough? How about a bit of freedom to do the job the way we want to, if it's safe and it works. I'm still going after a lot of years, no courses and not one slip....yet!!
So be cool, it's the weekend you professionals you!

Pj

« **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2005, 07:49:41 pm »

Quote from: Graham G on August 12, 2005, 07:20:24 pm

Yes, I am a bit put out by alansavvis;s post, as I thought I was backing him up on his opriginal post.

Well, I'm sorry if your offended alan.

*shrug*

No offense Graham, thanks for the kind reply.

« **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2005, 07:55:55 pm »

PJ and Alan,

Gentlemen; no flaming. I think you're both great and I like your posts, but I don't want any hurt feelings here.

Kiss and make up, or just ignore each other, but let's not do a 'Vince' please.

PLEASE!

« **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:00:20 pm »

whats a vince, it sounds interesting?

« **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:14:49 pm »

I dont have to " lift off "

I have a vikin brush

all i do is swivel the head at a 45degree angle from the glass

Simple

Question

Would the course been ok if lets say, you had NEVER cleaned a window before?
complete newbie for instance

Or could you really get all the info from forums?

« **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:19:19 pm »

Yes Tosh

Do tell!

« **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:19:30 pm »

The definition of a 'Vince' is what happens when a member of a window cleaning forum drinks too much alcohol; then 'goes off on one', posting abusive rubbish and wasting bandwith.

If you check your Concise Oxford English Dictionary 2002 (ISBN 0-19-860453-X) for 'Vince', you'll find the following definition:

Quote

Noun. British informal. A stupid person.

Okay, neither of you have went this far, but I'm just preventing a 'flaming' episode where you start picking on each others spelling, business, personal habits and stuff.

But you're both good posters, so cut it out please!

No escalating the argument because it only ends up in hurt feelings and tears. It bores others too.

So is the BWCA Course worth the time, effort and cash involved? Alan has made a good point. There doesn't seem to be a lot of guys here fighting the BWCA corner; i.e. those who've attended the course.

« **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:23:52 pm »

as a supplier i have thought about coarse for a long time , cant see the benefits , experince comes with time and the making of mistakes , you learn as you go most people who window clean are quite able to work out whats best for them and to be honest will do it there own way anyhow, if our customers want they can come to work with us free of charge for the day or as long as they want to , and many have a gained just enough knowldge to start them in right direction . . we try and give them a varity of work , after that its just a few pointers now and then . allways tell them leave the big poles alone for a while

« **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:27:47 pm »

Thanks David for your opinion. I've merged your topic with this thread, since it's the 'live' one and someone just looking in now will not be confused.

(It didn't merge as I would have expected though! Apologies for that. It's a bit out of sync.)

« **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:42:16 pm »

Quote from: Tosh on August 12, 2005, 08:19:30 pm

The definition of a 'Vince' is what happens when a member of a window cleaning forum drinks too much alcohol; then 'goes off on one', posting abusive rubbish and wasting bandwith.

If you check your Concise Oxford English Dictionary 2002 (ISBN 0-19-860453-X) for 'Vince', you'll find the following definition:

Quote
Noun. British informal. A stupid person.

Okay, neither of you have went this far, but I'm just preventing a 'flaming' episode where you start picking on each others spelling, business, personal habits and stuff.

But you're both good posters, so cut it out please!

No escalating the argument because it only ends up in hurt feelings and tears. It bores others too.

So is the BWCA Course worth the time, effort and cash involved? Alan has made a good point. There doesn't seem to be a lot of guys here fighting the BWCA corner; i.e. those who've attended the course.

This is NOT funny Tosh!

I suggest you remove it

A moderater should know better

Vince

ps

did you not get this email

Tosh

Lets put all this behind us and shake hands like men
etc etc

I am sure we both have said stuff...lets put it down to internet rage

I hold my hand out to you as to shake hands and move on
Vince Cobbold

MIKE BOXWELL had the same eamil and agreed!

Can you?

Come on Tosh, You can do it

« **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2005, 08:45:24 pm »

did you read the extra tosh?

« **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:05:05 pm »

Tosh

dont do it

from my point of view

Vince says "come back the Pro's mate, its changed"

i go back

within the week

Vince says on the "pro" board (i canot read it as the kangaroo court is in session, BUT ive seen what was said " He only came back to cause trouble, i say we ban him"

2 faced, you bet you

Oh and Vince most of the lies that were posted about me were libel, my bro is a solicitor in london and wanted to take the case on, he said it was a 100% gimme, i didnt bother, why ?? ? ? ? ? because i didnt want to see fellow humans dragged to court

decent of me, some might say, but i dont care what they say really, i just done it cause it was right

« **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:08:13 pm »

come back the Pro's mate, its changed

I never said that??

He is welcome to come back if he likes

as is everyone that seems to feel upset

just join and dont talk crap..thats all we ask..lol

MATT..Is that the time you came on and sort of fixed the votes on potm...i still dont think you quite got all that as me and another memeber admited to " reminding " people to vote...it was somthing eles ...i aint goin to say if you dont know by now..lol

Tosh

Put matt below you

Do you wana shake?

Vince

ps

Tosh

Remeber this

On my part

Sorry is more than a word..its an emotion!

« **Reply #24 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:14:01 pm »

Anyway..
This is betwen me and tosh

keep ya friggin nose out

Come on Tosh

bygones etc etc etc

« **Reply #25 on:** August 12, 2005, 09:15:04 pm »

Anyway..
This is betwen me and tosh

keep ya friggin nose out

Come on Tosh

bygones etc etc etc

This has got silly hasnt it?

Lifes to short to fall out over a flammin forum etc etc

we both have said stuff and again..on my behalf...sorry

* hand shake?*

« **Reply #26 on:** August 12, 2005, 10:17:28 pm »

What a pile of pants this thread is now. :

« **Reply #27 on:** August 12, 2005, 10:21:06 pm »

Quote from: Squeaky Clean. on August 12, 2005, 10:17:28 pm

What a pile of pants this thread is now. :

Roger,

I agree mate, I'll tidy it up in the morning. Wor Lass says it is bed time now!