Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2012, 07:50:52 pm »
No problem I am having the weekend this time!  Fed up of working Bank Holidays to be honest

Talk to you Tuesday mate!

Kev
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trevor perry

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2012, 08:47:36 am »
Hi Kevin
  i have used the chemical you sent along with the 100 honing powder i have cleaned a section of the shopping mall but the results are not good i am waiting for them to get back to me today on whether to carry on with the rest of the job but i dont think they will want it doing looking at the results achieved, i dont know whether you know anybody in the north of england area who would know how to tackle this job as it is proving to be well beyond my capabilities and the method you recomend just isnt working
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2012, 09:47:09 am »
Hi Kevin
  i have used the chemical you sent along with the 100 honing powder i have cleaned a section of the shopping mall but the results are not good i am waiting for them to get back to me today on whether to carry on with the rest of the job but i dont think they will want it doing looking at the results achieved, i dont know whether you know anybody in the north of england area who would know how to tackle this job as it is proving to be well beyond my capabilities and the method you recomend just isnt working

Trevor

I thought the test area had worked???  Where exactly is the job?  Perhaps I could come up for a site visit and do some testing with you??

Thoughts Comments!!

Kev Martin
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trevor perry

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2012, 09:59:05 am »
the job is at kendal in the lake district, the patch that i tested was where there was heavy foot traffic but other areas the dirt is not coming out of the grooves at all  the chemical doesnt seem to be loosening it any and the honing powder is not working in the grooves
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Buckland

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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2012, 12:43:47 pm »
Genuine interest for keen observers of Hard Floor Cleaning Issues!

How did it finish? - any pics - its better than Corrie this!

cheers

dave
Buckland Carpet & Fabric Care :: 01590 688938
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Jamie Pearson

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2012, 04:15:56 pm »
I am in the lake district in 2 weeks.

Want me to come take a look and bring my sample bag with me. I am certain I can get them clean.

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2012, 05:49:34 pm »
Jamie

I have had no contact from Trevor since my e mail back to him  after his last post. I can sort it mate! I have never been beaten by a floor yet and certainly not a porcelain one
Kev
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Jamie Pearson

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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2012, 07:28:47 pm »
Reading this post I can't see what the problem would be either.

As we both know it can be one simple thing in the already simple processes that can effect the outcome.

I always carry Bonasystems Pro2 and Pro3 for nasty porcelains. These products are nitric and hydrochloric based with plenty surfactants. When used by experienced staff they always deliver.

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2012, 05:47:27 pm »
Jamie
I cannot understand why you need something so strong! The key is a good quality High Alkaline 13-14 and a decent dwell time. Just been out to Germany working on some great products from a small company but they have completed some very high profile work with amazing results. I will ring you next week to discuss.

Kev
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Jamie Pearson

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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2012, 06:46:23 pm »
I usually use these for descaling pool sides removing limescale deposits. However they work amazingly when diluted down for deep cleaning.

I am out on site mon/tue and in office rest of week.

trevor perry

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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2012, 04:04:07 pm »
only just re looked at this post, in the end the methods i tried where not good enough although there was a vast improvement i would not have been happy to leave the floor with the results achieved, the client was going to try a firm that specialized in pool cleaning but i dont know how they got on with the job.
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2012, 06:07:46 pm »
The products I mentioned are from a company who specialise in pool cleaning.
www.bonasystems.com

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2012, 05:05:05 pm »
Trevor

I am more than happy to come up and do a test area for you mate!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2012, 06:53:32 pm »
Hi Guys,

This is a solution to some of the problems quoted here. I have attached two video links of work that I did on 2 very similar floors.


http://www.jskcleaning.ie/content/26-cleaning-ceramic-tiles

http://www.jskcleaning.ie/content/8-maintaining-anti-slip-safety-floors

In the cases I worked on it was a combination of janitors using Kentucky Mop Heads combined with high alkaline products that caused the issues in the first place.

Sorry about the dodgy music  :)


Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2012, 07:26:19 pm »
Hi Guys,

This is a solution to some of the problems quoted here. I have attached two video links of work that I did on 2 very similar floors.


http://www.jskcleaning.ie/content/26-cleaning-ceramic-tiles


http://www.jskcleaning.ie/content/8-maintaining-anti-slip-safety-floors

In the cases I worked on it was a combination of janitors using Kentucky Mop Heads combined with high alkaline products that caused the issues in the first place.

Sorry about the dodgy music  :)



So can you explain how an acid based cleaner did that on an R11 tile with a flat mop? What were the contaminants involved?  I am even more amazed because you said it was caused by a Kentucky mop! Which I understand but then you said coupled with a high Alkaline cleaner.  So what I am trying to understand is how did an acid work to clean the floor if it was coated with a high Alkaline residue.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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Tadgh O Shea

Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2012, 09:55:20 pm »
Hi Kevin

We come across this problem on a regular basis, first off you must understand one of the most trusted tools in the cleaning industry (cotton kentucky mops) are one of the most useless tools in the industry as they just push the dirt around the floors being cleaned as when the moisture evaporates the loosened soils just dry back on to the floor surface, this is repeated on a daily basis so the film of soil thats drying back on the floor surface just keeps building up which in turn will make the floor look just like the floors in the pictures.
Using high alkaline cleaning chemicals just add to the problem as they just grind the soils further into the substrate, we have solved this problem for many cleaning contractors, the problem is conformity many cleaners are conformed to using cotton mops and hard surface cleaners which usually have a ph value of betweem 10 to 14
The solution to cleaning hard floors to stop this problem is to use microfiber floor cloths and a hard surface cleaner of between 7.5 to 9 on the ph scale. never use one thats more than 9 on the scale and i promise you will not have this problem again.
we use a microcleaning mop pad to solve these floors as they are far more effective than any pressues washer,scrubber dryer with fiber or nylon pads, if you are deepcleaning large areas we have the microcleaning pads in 16" diameter.
the acid based cleaner we used is foodgrade and will not damage the tiles being cleaned.

Regards

Tadgh

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2012, 10:44:39 am »
Hi Kevin

We come across this problem on a regular basis, first off you must understand one of the most trusted tools in the cleaning industry (cotton kentucky mops) are one of the most useless tools in the industry as they just push the dirt around the floors being cleaned as when the moisture evaporates the loosened soils just dry back on to the floor surface, this is repeated on a daily basis so the film of soil thats drying back on the floor surface just keeps building up which in turn will make the floor look just like the floors in the pictures.
Using high alkaline cleaning chemicals just add to the problem as they just grind the soils further into the substrate, we have solved this problem for many cleaning contractors, the problem is conformity many cleaners are conformed to using cotton mops and hard surface cleaners which usually have a ph value of betweem 10 to 14
The solution to cleaning hard floors to stop this problem is to use microfiber floor cloths and a hard surface cleaner of between 7.5 to 9 on the ph scale. never use one thats more than 9 on the scale and i promise you will not have this problem again.
we use a microcleaning mop pad to solve these floors as they are far more effective than any pressues washer,scrubber dryer with fiber or nylon pads, if you are deepcleaning large areas we have the microcleaning pads in 16" diameter.
the acid based cleaner we used is foodgrade and will not damage the tiles being cleaned.

Regards

Tadgh

Tadgh

I totally understand the cleaning industry, the science of cleaning and how it all works.  I am also totally "Au Fait" with Colloidal Chemistry and how that works!  In my original question if you read it thoroughly I state that I understand about the Kentucky Mop and it's misuse but that is another discussion.  I asked you how you sprayed an Acid (Regardless of how safe it is) onto an R11 Riven Porcelain floor supposedly highly contaminated with a High Alkaline cleaner then mopped it and it came up supposedly immaculate.  My question was how did this happen with an acid?  Furthermore how did a microfibre cloth get into all the pits and fissures of the riven tile?  In addition I cannot find the featured acid product on your website to study the MSDS.

Kev Martin
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Knocker

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 06:55:39 pm »
This is all going to end in tears

Kev Martin

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 07:21:13 pm »
This is all going to end in tears

Paul

No it's not but we need to get to the bottom of it because if this product coupled with these microfibre pads are this good I want to know more about them!

Kev Martin
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trevor perry

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Re: Floor Cleaning NOW WITH PICTURES - Advice Needed
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 09:47:03 pm »
 :o the videos are very impressive would love to know how acid removes the grease as i thought only an alkaline cleaner would do this, is it possible to buy a sample of the chemical to give it a try and could i have a coshh sheet for the product
Trevor

 just watched the video again this is a cement and mortar cleaner so is probably a hydrochloric acid, i do not think this product will move grease as when doing brick cleaning a alkaline cleaner is used to remove grease prior to acid being applied so the acid can work on the carbon, had the floor in videos been treated with another cleaning product before the cement cleaner was applied
better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove any doubt