Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on February 13, 2019, 03:23:29 pm
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
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Hi Lee
Do you feel that having a fixed price list gets you a better response from flyers than the typical call us for a quote type flyer?
Thanks,
Robert
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Do your guys have a set number of hours to work a day? Or a list of jobs to do?
I ask because I have a theory that if you have set hours, they'll work slower.
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Do you think you can resist replying to THIS???? 🤔
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Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
Wow, I am in exalted company aren't I now😳
Oh and its Jon without the H, BTW😉
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Hi Lee
Do you feel that having a fixed price list gets you a better response from flyers than the typical call us for a quote type flyer?
Thanks,
Robert
A good question Robert and there will be a video on this as theres lots to consider on this point.
Short answer is I dont think it makes the" response" any better or worse. I did this as we cover such a big area it got harder and harder for me to go see every house.
As with lots of things I do they may not be the best option for a single operator. For a smaller business I think it better to see every house and get the price spot on every time. For us it can be hit and miss with prices but being bigger alows us to absorb the difference if that makes sense.
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Do your guys have a set number of hours to work a day? Or a list of jobs to do?
I ask because I have a theory that if you have set hours, they'll work slower.
They only have a set start time and that varies according to where we are working. That time is 7am earliest and 8am latest to have left the yard by. After that its a jobs list, They are only allowed to return to the yard before 4pm if the list is finished.
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Can I ask a question? Why can't I ask a question?
#freebungle
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550076575_feelings.jpg)
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How do you source your workers (on the glass) and do they have any part in collecting payment from customers?
What methods do you use to get new enquiries?
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Why is cleaniacs accounting bill bigger than yours ;D
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550076575_feelings.jpg)
Now now Dry clean, you know why you are banned, just can't believe I am😭😭😭
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How do you source your workers (on the glass) and do they have any part in collecting payment from customers?
I always use the website Indeed for both cleaners and office staff.
It works on a pay per click basis, the more look at and click on your add the more your charged. I find it costs about £300 on average each time in order to get enough CV in. I might get 20 for this much then I whittle them down based on location and job history. I might then have 5 I would call and do a quick phone interview, current situation, notice period ect. This leaves me with maybe 2/3 I will invite for a face to face interview.
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Why is cleaniacs accounting bill bigger than yours ;D
I don't know what his is but mine was £2500 last year all in. I expect it may be a bit more this year. I use a chartered firm where several people there do the different aspects of my business such as VAT, PAYE end of year ect.
I strongly recommend them
They are Charles and co Reigate Ask for Tracey Sales who is one of the partners.
+44 (1737) 30 90 90
The Cottage, 2 Castlefield Road, REIGATE, RH2 0SH
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Why is cleaniacs accounting bill bigger than yours ;D
;D
That's what I want to know.
They assured me that it won't be anything like last year's this time...it better not be I said because I'll be asking you for a fixed price this time and will be looking at other quotes.
Might give yours a call Lee actually. Mine is Barnbrook Sinclair. You have been warned.. ;D
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Hi Lee,
You seem to have a great business model and have achieved good growth.
However, your on line reviews are quite poor.
What are you doing to address this
Tony
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If you had to start from scratch, what would be the top things you would change about getting to where you are now?
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Lee,
What do you think of the franchise model? And why do you choose to employ instead?
Thanks
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My question is: When you attended the ‘forum posting for dummys’ course recently, what were your opinions of Solar Steve and why is he your main inspiration when it comes to developing your online persona?
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Why is cleaniacs accounting bill bigger than yours ;D
Brilliant!
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Are you a sensual lover or an aggressive lover?
Hi Lee
My previous question wasn’t answered so I can only assume you are going to make a youtube video to explain..?
So instead I’ll ask an easier one...do you have an inny or an outy?
Thanks!
You're not taking this seriously! Get back to the other side.
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
Shocked I wasn't on that list!
Does this mean we're friends Lee? ;D
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Hi Lee,
You seem to have a great business model and have achieved good growth.
However, your on line reviews are quite poor.
What are you doing to address this
Tony
I like this question.
I call this the trip advisor effect. So ive been lucky enough to go to lots of amazing hotels around the world, I usually take a look at trip advisor and reviews. No matter how good the place is theres always a jobsworth giving a terrible review, I try to read between the lines.
So I think we currently do something like 40,000 cleans a year. How many bad reviews are there? less than 20? You see my point. Our re clean ratio in 0.5% as in we re clean 1 in 200 cleans or less at the moment.
So why do we get them? This is very clear to me. We stand our ground with customers that just want to be an a hole thats why. We all know what thats like dont we. Customer rings up not happy about something minor, speaks to one of us like s..t expects the world in return and when they dont get exactly what they want its over to google they run .
I am not bothered about a handful of these and it does not effect my business. Again this is something that not many single opperators will deal with. Once you start doing things on a much bigger scale small probles grow and new ones crop up.
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Lee,
What do you think of the franchise model? And why do you choose to employ instead?
Thanks
Sorry to give a non answer to this but its a long answer and will be easier to go into with a video. I will cover it. Pros and cons to both. I may franchise in the future. Subscribe next month on youtube and you will see the answer to this
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If you had to start from scratch, what would be the top things you would change about getting to where you are now?
hmmmm
I think looking back I would have pushed harder earlier on, I always wanted to grow but could have wasted less money on cars ect back in the day and been further along. On the other hand I do love cars!
Not really much else tbh. Of course I spent lots of time and money learning what worked and didnt. If I went back with that knowledge I could be here in less than half the time.
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Hi Lee
Everything I read about successful people says that those ones continue learning and set goals
What books/courses or other media have you invested in (and would recommend) to help you build your skills and knowledge along the way?
Thanks
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
Shocked I wasn't on that list!
Does this mean we're friends Lee? ;D
Come to think of it I'm also shocked you're not on the list
I actually clicked on your YouTube link.
I was horrified 🤮😰😨😱
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Hi Lee,
You seem to have a great business model and have achieved good growth.
However, your on line reviews are quite poor.
What are you doing to address this
Tony
I like this question.
I call this the trip advisor effect. So ive been lucky enough to go to lots of amazing hotels around the world, I usually take a look at trip advisor and reviews. No matter how good the place is theres always a jobsworth giving a terrible review, I try to read between the lines.
So I think we currently do something like 40,000 cleans a year. How many bad reviews are there? less than 20? You see my point. Our re clean ratio in 0.5% as in we re clean 1 in 200 cleans or less at the moment.
So why do we get them? This is very clear to me. We stand our ground with customers that just want to be an a hole thats why. We all know what thats like dont we. Customer rings up not happy about something minor, speaks to one of us like s..t expects the world in return and when they dont get exactly what they want its over to google they run .
I am not bothered about a handful of these and it does not effect my business. Again this is something that not many single opperators will deal with. Once you start doing things on a much bigger scale small probles grow and new ones crop up.
Agreed. I had one left the other day that he quickly removed because and I quote “Listen mate, I run a business too and you don’t have to charge VAT”. He was already a numpty so I said “Just get someone else” and hung up on him. Within 5 minutes a nasty Facebook review which he removed 1/2 hour later. Cliff Perkins theory was he was worried about a brick through his window. ;D
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Hi Lee
Everything I read about successful people says that those ones continue learning and set goals
What books/courses or other media have you invested in (and would recommend) to help you build your skills and knowledge along the way?
Thanks
No courses ect but I have taken inspiration from many things.
Duncan bannatyne book "anyone can do it" was the best of all the dragons den books (I read them all)
I watch on tv any and all the business related programmes.
I am a health and fitness fanatic and I strongly recommend Greg Plitt who sadly died in 2015 but was at the top of his game in the fitness industry but also gave great motivational and mindset advice and speaches, Search for Greg on youtube, especially if you like the gym, watch a bit of him then go workout!
I also have many firends in business who have given me advice, connected me to useful people and helped me to stay focused when things were tough.
I think creating a certain mindset and confidence comes over time, a bit like going to the gym and changing your body. The mind can be a muscle that needs to be trained in the same way.
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what do you have for breakfast a Full english ?
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what do you have for breakfast a Full english ?
I dont eat breakfast. I use intermitent fasting every day so i never eat before 12noon. Then I have lunch, dinner and maybe 2 protein shakes. Yes I realise your question was being silly but I fancied giving a straight answer.
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what do you have for breakfast a Full english ?
I dont eat breakfast. I use intermitent fasting every day so i never eat before 12noon. Then I have lunch, dinner and maybe 2 protein shakes. Yes I realise your question was being silly but I fancied giving a straight answer.
i had you down has 3 shredded wheat person :o :o :o :o :o
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Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550076575_feelings.jpg)
Now now Dry clean, you know why you are banned, just can't believe I am😭😭😭
Somebody had to replace Slacky.
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Lee,
What advice can you give for a business that needs to break through the VAT barrier but is worried on how to absorb the 14-16% VAT on annual turnover running just like yourself domestic only window cleaning. Worried about Cashflow, and trying to expand enough to make it worth actually breaking the barrier. Thanks
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Could you describe what a narcissist is? ;D
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"I am a health and fitness fanatic and I strongly recommend Greg Plitt who sadly died in 2015 but was at the top of his game in the fitness industry but also gave great motivational and mindset advice and speaches, Search for Greg on youtube, especially if you like the gym, watch a bit of him then go workout!"
But stay away from the railway.
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"I am a health and fitness fanatic and I strongly recommend Greg Plitt who sadly died in 2015 but was at the top of his game in the fitness industry but also gave great motivational and mindset advice and speaches, Search for Greg on youtube, especially if you like the gym, watch a bit of him then go workout!"
But stay away from the railway.
Very true. tragic
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Lee,
What advice can you give for a business that needs to break through the VAT barrier but is worried on how to absorb the 14-16% VAT on annual turnover running just like yourself domestic only window cleaning. Worried about Cashflow, and trying to expand enough to make it worth actually breaking the barrier. Thanks
So this again is not easy to answer properly on here and I will be doing an in depth video on this. This will also be one of my earlier vids. Requires planning and timing to get this right. I have helped a few companies past this hurdle in the last few years so keep your eyes peeled for the vid.
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Yo Lee.
Please can you send me an image of your most successful flyer.
ole@solarpanelcleaningltd.co.uk
Many thanks.
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Yo Lee.
Please can you send me an image of your most successful flyer.
ole@solarpanelcleaningltd.co.uk
Many thanks.
Ahhhhh now your asking! I tend to not do that despite delivering 1.2 million this summer.
Leaflet design will be covered in one of the videos.
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Go on, I’m a million miles away on the Welsh border. Gonna bung a load of flyers next month.
I’ll clean your panels for you. If you’ve got any.
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Go on, I’m a million miles away on the Welsh border. Gonna bung a load of flyers next month.
I’ll clean your panels for you. If you’ve got any.
In that case my advice would be to wait a little longer until April/May I never deliver when clocks are on winter time.
My design might not work well for you or your area. Of the factors that make up a good leaflet campaign I place design lower down than sheer volume and the right people actually putting them through the doors.
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I’ve used Royal Mail before, very happy with them. We’re very rural so hitting the barn conversions in the villages, is where it’s at for us. Yup will wait til early April.
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I knew this thread would be a good idea! Some great Q & A's already.
Amongst my questions are:
Are all your vans single operator? ie one pump, one reel etc?
What size tanks do they have and by whom?
Does each van/operator just have a single pole each? CLX for example 'cos they trash them?
At what point of growth, roughly, did it become more practical/necessary to use gocardless?
Do you find vehicle equipment maintenance hard to track/manage? As in do the guys look after the vans/kit? Do you have to just let some things go and see them as working tools? I'm too ocd. I guess the vans are also part of your 'shop window'?
Thanks Lee. No doubt I'll think of plenty more questions in the coming days. :)
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I knew this thread would be a good idea! Some great Q & A's already.
Amongst my questions are:
Are all your vans single operator? ie one pump, one reel etc?
What size tanks do they have and by whom?
Does each van/operator just have a single pole each? CLX for example 'cos they trash them?
At what point of growth, roughly, did it become more practical/necessary to use gocardless?
Do you find vehicle equipment maintenance hard to track/manage? As in do the guys look after the vans/kit? Do you have to just let some things go and see them as working tools? I'm too ocd. I guess the vans are also part of your 'shop window'?
Thanks Lee. No doubt I'll think of plenty more questions in the coming days. :)
Single operator, more money per head this way however 2 vans have to pumps ect if we ever need to team them up.
Tanks are all 700l with except one with 1000l (this is also a 2 man system. We use this van for training new people. All our van systems are from ionics pure 2o brand.
Each guy has 3 poles, clx 18 with univalve clx 27 with univalve and a 40-50 supermax
Gocardless qustion is a longer answer and there will be a video on this.
Vehicle and equipment maintenance is one of my jobs at the office. We use the local Renault dealer. Every time a van goes in they do a full health check and anything that needs to be done gets done regardless of cost. As for kit we have spare everything in the depot and if one of the cleaners tells me something is on the way out its replaced there and then and I simply top up our stock room. The odd dink or scrape of a van is par for the course, much as it breaks my heart as every van I ever had was bought brand new.
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Hi Lee
Great Q&A so far, some great questions!
I’ve got a small question, it probably seems silly for a bigger business owner but as a tiny business owner it has been bugging me for a while so I hope you can help...
So...How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Look forward to your reply, thanks!
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A good idea funny enough I wanted to ask you to do this myself since everyone had a question here and there!
Well heres a question. A lot of us including myself when were motivated sometimes wonder how far we can take this.
So my question is .. Is it worth it?
You're responsible for over 10-15 people over 10 vehicles. And you're always chasing profit.
Dealing with staff issues
From the outside many would look at your turnover and underestimate your actual costs
Obviously you're making profit But when the dust settles and you've paid all your reoccurring costs including the VAT man all wages including your own. Do you ever sometimes miss having it a little bit easier and not so much on your shoulders? Perhaps you and a second person working from a van and maybe one more van working full-time which will give you a more than adequate profit for a lot less responsibility. And probably pay you at least what you're paying yourself right now.
You mentioned once before that you're not making a profit i.e. not liable for corporation tax. As you're always reinvesting your money. In which case when do you actually decide to reap the rewards for everything you have put in and draw out some healthy dividend payments.
So I suppose
is it worth it.
Do you miss the easier window cleaning life that you could easily have had. Probably earning the same since you're paying yourself what you need.
Obviously still having the option of paying yourself more when you choose to as you are very aware what 2 vans can bring in probably a higher profit as well no more advertising like now no more yards less expenses
Still earning a very good profit and turnover with 2 vans but having the options of just taking time off whenever you like etc.
This will be a good one for people who are on the cresp of employing expanding but already relatively in a comfortable lifestyle which I'm sure you was as well back then what made you push so hard and did you ever feel that your freedom was jeopardised to some degree and yeah when the dust settles and you think about both options what would your advise be.
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Hi Lee
Great Q&A so far, some great questions!
I’ve got a small question, it probably seems silly for a bigger business owner but as a tiny business owner it has been bugging me for a while so I hope you can help...
So...How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Look forward to your reply, thanks!
This is another thing thats important to get right.
I see people getting this wrong all the time. First you calculate the mass of the woodchuck based on height and weight. From this you can calculate its resting metabolic rate (calories required per day to live) Then we account for the mass of the pile of wood and record how many calories are burned to chuck a piece of wood. When its all said and done asuming the wood is all the same size we can work out how much wood a woodchuck could chuck if said woodchuck could chuck wood. I might do a video on this
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A good idea funny enough I wanted to ask you to do this myself since everyone had a question here and there!
Well heres a question. A lot of us including myself when were motivated sometimes wonder how far we can take this.
So my question is .. Is it worth it?
You're responsible for over 10-15 people over 10 vehicles. And you're always chasing profit.
Dealing with staff issues
From the outside many would look at your turnover and underestimate your actual costs
Obviously you're making profit But when the dust settles and you've paid all your reoccurring costs including the VAT man all wages including your own. Do you ever sometimes miss having it a little bit easier and not so much on your shoulders? Perhaps you and a second person working from a van and maybe one more van working full-time which will give you a more than adequate profit for a lot less responsibility. And probably pay you at least what you're paying yourself right now.
You mentioned once before that you're not making a profit i.e. not liable for corporation tax. As you're always reinvesting your money. In which case when do you actually decide to reap the rewards for everything you have put in and draw out some healthy dividend payments.
So I suppose
is it worth it.
Do you miss the easier window cleaning life that you could easily have had. Probably earning the same since you're paying yourself what you need.
Obviously still having the option of paying yourself more when you choose to as you are very aware what 2 vans can bring in probably a higher profit as well no more advertising like now no more yards less expenses
Still earning a very good profit and turnover with 2 vans but having the options of just taking time off whenever you like etc.
This will be a good one for people who are on the cresp of employing expanding but already relatively in a comfortable lifestyle which I'm sure you was as well back then what made you push so hard and did you ever feel that your freedom was jeopardised to some degree and yeah when the dust settles and you think about both options what would your advise be.
Short answer for is it worth it..... Yes. Why? Because I have removed myself from generating the money, that alone makes it worth it. My health is good, but there have been times it wasnt. In the last 6 years ive had 4 surgeries, 2 of which would have meant at least 6 months off tools. Suppose a one man band breaks a leg as in shattered or is extreamly ill........... thats my point. In this business ive always just tried to learn the best ways to do things then teach someone else and pass it to them both on the tools and in the office. Ive tried to remove myself from almost every aspect short of controlling money and the general direction of the buisness. My job really is to watch over everyone else doing theirs.
Longer answer will be in........ yes you guessed it another video! As for taking a nice dividend. Honestly probably not for a few years until I reach my ultimate goal which is probably something like 15-20 vans running full every day. In the mean time I earn enough and have a nice and comfortable life, as I said in another thread im playing the long game.
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You could employ Nathan part time as your cameraman - he likes a video! ;D
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Everyone already Knows the answer to all these questions...
Sell your house, move in with mum, buy a load of vans, send out billions upon billions upon billions of leaflets, hire everyone to do the work for you ( accountants, office staff, cleaners, web designers ) sit back and pretend you worked hard for it and deserve everyone's utmost respect .When the crux of the matter is it all came from a single pile of cash from the sale of a house that most of us just couldn't repeat because we have family's and responsibilities.
Thread closed 👏
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Everyone already Knows the answer to all these questions...
Sell your house, move in with mum, buy a load of vans, send out billions upon billions upon billions of leaflets, hire everyone to do the work for you ( accountants, office staff, cleaners, web designers ) sit back and pretend you worked hard for it and deserve everyone's utmost respect .When the crux of the matter is it all came from a single pile of cash from the sale of a house that most of us just couldn't repeat because we have family's and responsibilities.
Thread closed 👏
Let me answer this one as its been one of those nights for me.
Grow some balls all you moaning / jealous / antagonising people and either go forth and grow your business in a quick time with some out the box thinking.
Or shut the f up with all the bloody excuses and moaning at one thing or the other. If you aint got any constructive contribution then go on the other forums that like to moan and be done with it!
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Hi Lee
Great Q&A so far, some great questions!
I’ve got a small question, it probably seems silly for a bigger business owner but as a tiny business owner it has been bugging me for a while so I hope you can help...
So...How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Look forward to your reply, thanks!
This is another thing thats important to get right.
I see people getting this wrong all the time. First you calculate the mass of the woodchuck based on height and weight. From this you can calculate its resting metabolic rate (calories required per day to live) Then we account for the mass of the pile of wood and record how many calories are burned to chuck a piece of wood. When its all said and done asuming the wood is all the same size we can work out how much wood a woodchuck could chuck if said woodchuck could chuck wood. I might do a video on this
Nice to see you getting into the spirit of things Lee.
Would you consider unbanning me if I promised to be good?
Pretty please
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Chris
If you think I pretended to work hard and just sat back then you must be totally mad. I worked my nuts off for years and years. I already had 4 vans on the road at that point which is still more than most on here. I sit back now because I can.
Dont ever think I dont work hard mate. I work as hard as is required to achieve the goal that is set.
It seems everyone does not know the answers to the questions or they wouldnt ask them would they. Even if they knew answers thats different to having actually experienced it as I have. Believe me it takes some balls to spend 100k on leaflets and hope the phone rings. Not as if I could have asked for my house back if it hadnt worked. As for that pile of cash I grew that from nothing over years. I never had any help from anyone.
Finally lets all try to get past me moving in with my mum. That was actually a smart move that meant I was the end of the house sale chain and greatly sped up the process of getting started with the expansion. I sold in March 2016 and was able to make the most of that first year. Had I not moved in with her it might have delayed the start of my project by a month or 2 in which case I would have lost the year and had to wait until 2017 to start. I only lived there a few months until I got my current house, which happens to be very nice thanks and only a mile from the office.
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Hi Lee
Great Q&A so far, some great questions!
I’ve got a small question, it probably seems silly for a bigger business owner but as a tiny business owner it has been bugging me for a while so I hope you can help...
So...How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Look forward to your reply, thanks!
This is another thing thats important to get right.
I see people getting this wrong all the time. First you calculate the mass of the woodchuck based on height and weight. From this you can calculate its resting metabolic rate (calories required per day to live) Then we account for the mass of the pile of wood and record how many calories are burned to chuck a piece of wood. When its all said and done asuming the wood is all the same size we can work out how much wood a woodchuck could chuck if said woodchuck could chuck wood. I might do a video on this
Nice to see you getting into the spirit of things Lee.
Would you consider unbanning me if I promised to be good?
Pretty please
I havnt banned anyone. I just said I wouldnt be getting into debates or responding to people that really just want to bring others down. Theres been enough of that on the other thread.
Surprise me and get involved in a posetive way and I might answer your question
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As a pure example and no I'm not very pro trump but May I add. Donald Trump inherited a fortune from his multi-millionaire father. Enough money to probably by 1000 apartments in posh New York upper East Side and live a very very very above average lifestyle let's just say that the rental income alone would be worth an absolute fortune today. A lot of people tend to criticize him for inheriting money and that all you had to do was invested in anything... that's not true he could have lost it all as well if you wasn't careful in those stocks for example they could have all gone down.
He decided to invest and take a calculated risk with the Commodore building during a time when New York was basically going through a depression.
My point is I'm not here to talk about specifics whether or not somebody inherited money or not.
It takes a lot of determination and hard work to build something up and strive for something.
Honestly it's not given to you for just having a bit of old or family money. How many people have you heard of who have basically spent all their inheritance made the wrong moves.... you have to work hard you have to be a go getter and you have to have a vision that goes without saying
Dare I say perhaps my finest post for a while!
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If I sold fish out of the back of my van and employed someone, could I still be classed as a sole trader?
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If I sold fish out of the back of my van and employed someone, could I still be classed as a sole trader?
No, you’d be a Pikey.
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Depends what plaice you park up.
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I clean the windows for Keith Abel, he of Abel and Cole fame.
Thoroughly nice guy.
Anyway he made his fortune by stealing £2,000 from his brother which he used to buy a load of spuds from a dealer in. Covent Garden, which he then sold door to door in London.
I have no idea what hes worth now, its a lot i imagine. He still works but last year had a heart bypass op, stress.....
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In answer to Chris Turner's assertions about selling his house was easy for Lee to do yada yada yada ...
I could sell my house put 250,000 into a business and rent a place nearby for a couple of years with the 25K left over whether I had a family or not. The fact that I choose not to because ...
A) It would frighten me witless
B) It would distract me from my family for too long
C) I don't have the burning need to prove to myself what I can achieve in business/financially.
D) Knowing my make up it would not do my health any good
Why snipe and point the finger at someone else who has and who comes on here and explains what he has done and how he has done it? When I was in sales and had had a particularly (rare) good run the Sales Director of my company smiled wryly and said "Mind you Malc, when you're up on the white charger someone is always looking to knock you off, so keep up the good work!"
I would suggest Lee considers - take a look at Matt Chapter 7 v 6 and Acts 20 v 35. And find the right balance once you have done so. ;)
Edited to add ... it seems to me that you are the one that feels baited to answer Chris.
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I clean the windows for Keith Abel, he of Abel and Cole fame.
Thoroughly nice guy.
Anyway he made his fortune by stealing £2,000 from his brother which he used to buy a load of spuds from a dealer in. Covent Garden, which he then sold door to door in London.
I have no idea what hes worth now, its a lot i imagine. He still works but last year had a heart bypass op, stress.....
He's still Abel, then?
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"Thoroughly nice guy" and "stole £2,000 off his brother" don't exactly go hand in glove do they? ???
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Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.
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Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.
You did. You judged him to be a thoroughly nice guy. Then you presented evidence to the contrary.
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I clean the windows for Keith Abel, he of Abel and Cole fame.
Thoroughly nice guy.
Anyway he made his fortune by stealing £2,000 from his brother which he used to buy a load of spuds from a dealer in. Covent Garden, which he then sold door to door in London.
I have no idea what hes worth now, its a lot i imagine. He still works but last year had a heart bypass op, stress.....
He's still Abel, then?
Good job his brother wasn't called Cain.
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Nope. But he didnt steal from me, so I guess i dont feel a need to judge.
You did. You judged him to be a thoroughly nice guy. Then you presented evidence to the contrary.
He's always been a nice guy to me.
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As a pure example and no I'm not very pro trump but May I add. Donald Trump inherited a fortune from his multi-millionaire father. Enough money to probably by 1000 apartments in posh New York upper East Side and live a very very very above average lifestyle let's just say that the rental income alone would be worth an absolute fortune today. A lot of people tend to criticize him for inheriting money and that all you had to do was invested in anything... that's not true he could have lost it all as well if you wasn't careful in those stocks for example they could have all gone down.
He decided to invest and take a calculated risk with the Commodore building during a time when New York was basically going through a depression.
My point is I'm not here to talk about specifics whether or not somebody inherited money or not.
It takes a lot of determination and hard work to build something up and strive for something.
Honestly it's not given to you for just having a bit of old or family money. How many people have you heard of who have basically spent all their inheritance made the wrong moves.... you have to work hard you have to be a go getter and you have to have a vision that goes without saying
Dare I say perhaps my finest post for a while!
its not the upper east side new york(thats the poorer part of manhattan).its the upper west side,literally every other building is a trump tower!ive been twice now......both times i flew business class as well for £200!due to my girlfriend i was seeing at the time as she worked for british airways for 15 years so she added me to her concessionary travel,i only had to pay the airport tax......happy days..... 8)
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In answer to Chris Turner's assertions about selling his house was easy for Lee to do yada yada yada ...
I could sell my house put 250,000 into a business and rent a place nearby for a couple of years with the 25K left over whether I had a family or not. The fact that I choose not to because ...
A) It would frighten me witless
B) It would distract me from my family for too long
C) I don't have the burning need to prove to myself what I can achieve in business/financially.
D) Knowing my make up it would not do my health any good
Why snipe and point the finger at someone else who has and who comes on here and explains what he has done and how he has done it? When I was in sales and had had a particularly (rare) good run the Sales Director of my company smiled wryly and said "Mind you Malc, when you're up on the white charger someone is always looking to knock you off, so keep up the good work!"
I would suggest Lee considers - take a look at Matt Chapter 7 v 6 and Acts 20 v 35. And find the right balance once you have done so. ;)
Edited to add ... it seems to me that you are the one that feels baited to answer Chris.
Nothing wrong with success. When one feels the need to constantly remind others of their success however it shows the true reason why they wanted to be successful in the first place.
You would have thought all that time living with mum she could have at least taught him that know likes a show off.
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I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.
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I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.
So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.
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Here’s my question for Lee:
What do you find is the best mechanism to finance new vans and systems?
You may have the cash flow to purchase outright now, but before that did you use a finance company, personal loan, business loan etc?
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I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.
So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.
Chris, i may be wrong here, but havent you just done the same as what you acuse lee of doing? Do we need to know your family history and wealth? Did you feel compelled to tell/share inorder to what? Seem humble because you dont but you just did?
Its awfully confusing
😂😂
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I guess the negative responses come from different people's upbringing.
I come from a fairly wealthy self made family. My grandad (mums side of the family) started out as a sign writer before building up a quite a big property empire and owning a gym. All of the properties, including gym were paid off years ago and he made, and continues to make a mint to this day. He dresses like a homeless man and drives around in 25 year van that blows huge amounts of smoke from the exhaust. Who would believe he has total assets in the 2 million range...
My nan (dad's side of the family) back in the 50s and 60s set up snack vans catering to all the hungry workers at factories and warehouses. She ended up owning a huge fleet before selling the business on, buying a run down pub in ascot, turning it into a hugely profitable posh bistro restaurant and selling it for 1 million in 1989. She bought a small bungalow in Cornwall and invested all the money.
Both of them are hugely influential in my life but both of them also taught me modesty. They never flaunt want they have and they never gave me a penny, even when I asked for help when I first set up my business.
As my my nan always said, NEVER share details of your wealth with anyone other then close family. Nobody needs to know.
So you're angry at your family for not helping you out and taking it out on Lee who with nobody's help has set up a fantastic business. It just comes across as sour grapes and petty jealousy. If you weren't envious, you'd just ignore the thread.
Chris, i may be wrong here, but havent you just done the same as what you acuse lee of doing? Do we need to know your family history and wealth? Did you feel compelled to tell/share inorder to what? Seem humble because you dont but you just did?
Its awfully confusing
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Only you could come to that conclusion Nathan. It's not MY wealth I'm talking about is it. It's family history. I am not wealthy nor poor.
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Another thing that has always stuck with me...
My first ever job after leaving college was on a huge MOD building site. Being young, naive and curious I was always asking everyone on site what they earnt. For some strange reason know one ever gave me a straight answer. "Enough, "probably more then you" or "5 peanuts, 2 bananas and a melon", were just some of the answers I got back.
So one day I asked one of the guys that why is it know ever talks about what they earn. He said to me he doesn't know exactly why, but it's like an unwritten moral code amongst men. "You don't ask and you don't tell", it's as simple as that he said.
I don't know if this an old school way of thinking but I think as soon as Lee decided to constantly remind everyone of his earnings, he broke this "unwritten code" and invoked the negativity upon himself.
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Here’s my question for Lee:
What do you find is the best mechanism to finance new vans and systems?
You may have the cash flow to purchase outright now, but before that did you use a finance company, personal loan, business loan etc?
Hi Pete
I always have and still do finance our vans and systems. I really only want to spend our cash flow on marketing. I use Kennet equipment leasing who are a broker, ask for Adrian Lamb who is one of the directors. I get the van and system under a single payment plan which is a 5 year lease purchase meaning you own it at the end with no balloon payment to make.
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
Normal practice when buying a van is to pay 20% as a deposit.
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Guys, please keep to the topic, if you've nothing positive to say or ask please refrain from posting - nobody wants to read negativity and it certainly isn't helpful to others. CIU is not the platform to abuse for this.
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
In the past I have paid between 10/20%
No they do not maintain anything, its your equipment.
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Hi Lee
firstly I admire what you have achieved over the years and any sacrifices you have made to get there.
I am now 65 years old and started on the windows back in the early 70's when no one wanted to take it up.
Boy have I seen some changes over the years
At one stage I had 3 vans on the road but have since sold a lot of work and now only have small round which my wife and I work to top up my rubbish state pension of £165 per week
I'm happy with things the way they are now just working when I want to and not because I have to, no stress anymore either.
So my question to you is as follows,
Do you find with such a big business as yours that it causes you stress and sleepness nights?
regards
Jay
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Lee
Why finance all your vans, with the money you are making?
The cheapest place to get a new van from if paying in one go is Ionics and as you say all your systems are supplied by them,
I have a new transit custom coming 1st March 340 long wheelbase £4600 cheaper than my local ford dealer,
They have fantastic trade discounts and are happy to give you most of it so the money you could save would pay for the system in the back
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Hi Lee
firstly I admire what you have achieved over the years and any sacrifices you have made to get there.
I am now 65 years old and started on the windows back in the early 70's when no one wanted to take it up.
Boy have I seen some changes over the years
At one stage I had 3 vans on the road but have since sold a lot of work and now only have small round which my wife and I work to top up my rubbish state pension of £165 per week
I'm happy with things the way they are now just working when I want to and not because I have to, no stress anymore either.
So my question to you is as follows,
Do you find with such a big business as yours that it causes you stress and sleepness nights?
regards
Jay
Hi Jay, good post.
I will answer no but it has in the past. The only thing that ever kept me awake was ideas running through my mind that I couldn't switch off.
As for stress, while it is a bit stressful sometimes (I actually like it) I feel like I have come out the other side. Things are actually easier and less stressful now we are bigger than when I had 4 vans. At that time it was just me in the office no software systems to automate things ect. I wanted to pack it in.
One of my up coming videos will go into this and how being bigger is in fact easier if you can stand it long enough to push through to the other side.
Fair play to you Jay!
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Lee
Why finance all your vans, with the money you are making?
The cheapest place to get a new van from if paying in one go is Ionics and as you say all your systems are supplied by them,
I have a new transit custom coming 1st March 340 long wheelbase £4600 cheaper than my local ford dealer,
They have fantastic trade discounts and are happy to give you most of it so the money you could save would pay for the system in the back
Ionics source all our vans for me at a big discount just as you have said.
As for finance, it makes sense to keep as much of your money in the bank as possible to spend on things you cant finance, like marketing ect.
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Hi Lee
firstly I admire what you have achieved over the years and any sacrifices you have made to get there.
I am now 65 years old and started on the windows back in the early 70's when no one wanted to take it up.
Boy have I seen some changes over the years
At one stage I had 3 vans on the road but have since sold a lot of work and now only have small round which my wife and I work to top up my rubbish state pension of £165 per week
I'm happy with things the way they are now just working when I want to and not because I have to, no stress anymore either.
So my question to you is as follows,
Do you find with such a big business as yours that it causes you stress and sleepness nights?
regards
Jay
Hi Jay, good post.
I will answer no but it has in the past. The only thing that ever kept me awake was ideas running through my mind that I couldn't switch off.
As for stress, while it is a bit stressful sometimes (I actually like it) I feel like I have come out the other side. Things are actually easier and less stressful now we are bigger than when I had 4 vans. At that time it was just me in the office no software systems to automate things ect. I wanted to pack it in.
One of my up coming videos will go into this and how being bigger is in fact easier if you can stand it long enough to push through to the other side.
Fair play to you Jay!
I look forward to seeing your videos then
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
Normal practice when buying a van is to pay 20% as a deposit.
So basically the VAT.
It might be better for me to go down a non VAT van perhaps? How could i finance that?
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
Normal practice when buying a van is to pay 20% as a deposit.
So basically the VAT.
It might be better for me to go down a non VAT van perhaps? How could i finance that?
Don't know mate. Call Kennet and have the conversation with Adrian. Hes very good
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Hi Lee.
What sort of deposit did you have to pay.
I'm currently looking at a new van for my next stage of growth in 2019.
Do they maintain the equipment for you?
Normal practice when buying a van is to pay 20% as a deposit.
So basically the VAT.
It might be better for me to go down a non VAT van perhaps? How could i finance that?
Yes. Most companies will buy vehicles towards the end of their financial quarter. It means you can claim the entire deposit straight back from the VAT man, meaning your cash flow is not effected.
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Hi Lee, just like to say i admire you very much for what you have achieved, it takes a lot of determination risks & Balls to
achieve what you have, looking forward to your video's, when will you be releasing your first video.
Best regards
Larry
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Hi Lee, just like to say i admire you very much for what you have achieved, it takes a lot of determination risks & Balls to
achieve what you have, looking forward to your video's, when will you be releasing your first video.
Best regards
Larry
Thanks Larry
I am just getting to grips with the new camera and editing software, Im a bit of a technophobe so its slow going. I have lots of ideas and plans though so I hope to start by the end of March and then I will try to do a vid or 2 each week.
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Hi Lee,
Not a question as such, but you say you are going to start making videos and uploading them online. If you need any advice or help at all regarding video editing or anything associated with youtube i dont mind helping if i can in any way. I have a YouTube Channel i have been running for about 2 years now with 15k+ subscribers and a few million views so whilst i'm no expert i've definitely gone through a learning curve with it.
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Whats the channel?
If you dont want to put it on here, can dm me on my facebook page.
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you owe me a beer see you Sept x
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ?
I’m guessing it’s the old “I left my wallet in the van” excuse. All that money he’s making too!
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ?
I’m guessing it’s the old “I left my wallet in the van” excuse. All that money he’s making too!
Probably because they are not tax deductible
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
Yes you mention him often I know the company and to be honest number of vans means nothing to me. How much do his guys do every day per head? Not much population density in his area I think. i could have 20 vans on the road if I gave out half as much every day to each guy.
To answer your question I never buy rounds because theres no telling how many might just cancel if they dont like the change. More than that though is we only take on work thats on direct debit nothing else. Most customers are not on dd with other companies. I would go as far to say we have more customers on dd than any other uk company (over 5000 now) Next I want jobs at my price not someone elses. I want customers that chose to use us of their own accord. Lastly people who sell rounds always want 3,4,5 times the monthly value. I always feel I can spend less than that on my own marketing and get the same amount of customers or often quite a lot more and without the downsides of the points mentioned above
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Hi Lee,
Not a question as such, but you say you are going to start making videos and uploading them online. If you need any advice or help at all regarding video editing or anything associated with youtube i dont mind helping if i can in any way. I have a YouTube Channel i have been running for about 2 years now with 15k+ subscribers and a few million views so whilst i'm no expert i've definitely gone through a learning curve with it.
Thanks for the offer.
Lets have the link to your page so I can see your vids
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Lee how much of a difference is particularly Cleaner planer compared to the cheaper software squeegee aworka.
what in particular for you makes you choose CP and to pay more over the the other 2.
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Lee how much of a difference is particularly Cleaner planer compared to the cheaper software squeegee aworka.
what in particular for you makes you choose CP and to pay more over the the other 2.
I have never used the others so its not really a question I can answer. I will however say that people often mention the cost of these things like its a lot of money which it isnt to me or anyone. I think people should focus on the value rather than the cost.
For me cleaner planner covers the lot, its like having another staff member I love it. If it folded tomorrow I would probably use aworka as I have had a look at that in the past, squeegee I think its to soon, maybe down the line.
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I think round software was a big game changer. I use aworka personally.
Lee, do your guys carry ladders for access to flat roofs etc? We still have a handful of houses where we have to get a ladder off where we can't get an angle for a particular window. I don't like to leave it though. But I also hate getting ladders off.
I know you do extras, but do you clean any inside work?
Do you not clean any commercials and if not why? Personally I can't stand shops these days nut not even care homes or similar?
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I think round software was a big game changer. I use aworka personally.
Lee, do your guys carry ladders for access to flat roofs etc? We still have a handful of houses where we have to get a ladder off where we can't get an angle for a particular window. I don't like to leave it though. But I also hate getting ladders off.
I know you do extras, but do you clean any inside work?
Do you not clean any commercials and if not why? Personally I can't stand shops these days nut not even care homes or similar?
Yes all our vans have large 3 section ladders as well as small telescopics and some have A frames and step ladders, so a mix
Yes we do extras and yes we do insides (double outside price) we hate them though!
we do very very few commercial jobs and no shops at all. Heres why..... I want everything on dd and commercial jobs dont want to pay that way. I find that these days theres not much more money in commercial, if any so why have them and then have to wait 30/60 days to get paid when I can just get 5 or 10 more houses on dd instead. The very few commercial jobs we have (about 10) are very well priced and very good payers. If a commercial job calls our office for a quote the very first thing we now ask is will you pay by our dd system? No..... then goodbye. Same attitude with domestics. We wont add anything to our round now thats not dd paid.
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Hello Lee,
I see that you still accept card payments on your website. Will this be phased out or are you still going to keep offering this payment method?
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Lee, do you get many texters drop out with short notice or is it in your T & C’s they will pay full price? I only employ one & our texts go out at 6.30pm but often I’ll get cancelations late at night or early morning & it really messes up the planned worksheets. Often it’s too late to reorganise leaving us short.
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Lee, do you get many texters drop out with short notice or is it in your T & C’s they will pay full price? I only employ one & our texts go out at 6.30pm but often I’ll get cancelations late at night or early morning & it really messes up the planned worksheets. Often it’s too late to reorganise leaving us short.
Yes this is a good question. Along with this one I want to ask. Obviously you get a lot of customers how on Earth do you handle that. What is they all want to be in what if they want that awkward v-lux cleaned that you can't reach from the ground what if they refuse to unlock the gate how do you handle it unlike Simon says a new job text back and says no thanks try tomorrow.
I'm guessing you told them it's direct debit we put you on the list you have to unlock your gate if there's no Gate access and it's a through the house job how do you handle the pesky parts of the job.
On a smaller scale when canvassing it's different as you see the job you see everything and you can refuse or could access or people that are too picky on timing but someone who calls from the leaflet just want the whole thing done sometimes.
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Yo Lee.
How do risk assess hoses crossing pavements etc, how do your guys ‘manage’ the risk?
Thanks.
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When vehicles are due for maintenance or repair,
does -
1. garage collect and delivers,
2. you pay employees to drop off and collect van,
3. give your employees the spare van and you take the van yourself,
4.other
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Yo Lee.
How do risk assess hoses crossing pavements etc, how do your guys ‘manage’ the risk?
Thanks.
Just a wild guess here😂😂😂😂
CONES maybe!!!!!
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Simon and crystal clear. re texts and access
We text everyone at 7pm from cleaner planner. Customer cannot text back, but we still get the odd messer email or call in the morning. Depending on the reason we may or may not let them cancel on the day. We stand our ground with customers, which as I said before can seometimes lead to a meltdown by the customer which leads to a bad google review. we find that explaining things clearly at the start helps this. I also have a very black and white attitude when it comes to being messed around, Im very quick to drop people that mess us in any way. We drop loads for lots of reasons, just replace. Had one yesterday, she moans about something litterally every time, Ive had enough of hearing it, dropped.
When it comes to access this is a converstaion we have with every new customer, we do not take on a customer that either has no back access or is unwilling to leave it open after getting a text. Of course theres always a few every day that just forget in that case we get a ladder out and go over the gate. If the cleaner cant or wont do that (up to them) then its front only for half price, If the customer does this too much we call them with a warning.
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When vehicles are due for maintenance or repair,
does -
1. garage collect and delivers,
2. you pay employees to drop off and collect van,
3. give your employees the spare van and you take the van yourself,
4.other
Hi Steve
I take the vans to the local Renault main dealer which happens to be a 5min drive away, my office manager drives her car to bring me back and the same on collection. We currently dont have a spare so if a van is off the road the cleaner "sits out" on full pay.
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Hello Lee,
I see that you still accept card payments on your website. Will this be phased out or are you still going to keep offering this payment method?
Yes we still have paypal. For the last 3 years we only take on people that use gocardless. Of the customers we had before this they can still pay by either paypal or over the phone to the office with a card. We have been trying to change them over and phasing out other methods during that time. We no longer take cheques or cash. we have about 300 not on dd now , these are the hardcore lot that really dont want to change over. At some point in the next year or so I will give them the ultimatum, change or goodbye. I dont really want to loose most of them so timing will be important when I do this but 100% gocardless is one of our business goals we are working towards.
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I’ve found this thread really helpful. Food for thought. Thanks Lee.
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When vehicles are due for maintenance or repair,
does -
1. garage collect and delivers,
2. you pay employees to drop off and collect van,
3. give your employees the spare van and you take the van yourself,
4.other
Hi Steve
I take the vans to the local Renault main dealer which happens to be a 5min drive away, my office manager drives her car to bring me back and the same on collection. We currently dont have a spare so if a van is off the road the cleaner "sits out" on full pay.
Is that a days holiday pay or a full days pay for doing nothing?
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When vehicles are due for maintenance or repair,
does -
1. garage collect and delivers,
2. you pay employees to drop off and collect van,
3. give your employees the spare van and you take the van yourself,
4.other
Hi Steve
I take the vans to the local Renault main dealer which happens to be a 5min drive away, my office manager drives her car to bring me back and the same on collection. We currently dont have a spare so if a van is off the road the cleaner "sits out" on full pay.
Is that a days holiday pay or a full days pay for doing nothing?
Full pay for doing nothing it is not 1 of their holiday days. Wouldnt be fair otherwise
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Right Im off to the new forrest for a weekend with the Mrs so wont be here to answer questions but keep them coming and I will try to catch up when Im home! Its a lovely day............. Think I will have the roof down for the drive.
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No spares?
I have two spare vans.
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I have a question...
Are any of your employees aware of your online persona?
Are any of them on CIU?
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I have a question...
Are any of your employees aware of your online persona?
Are any of them on CIU?
What about yours?
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I have a question...
Are any of your employees aware of your online persona?
Are any of them on CIU?
What about yours?
No.
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I have a question...
Are any of your employees aware of your online persona?
Are any of them on CIU?
I'm sure there are but would you admit it if you where one of them ?
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I doubt it. Most employees just wanna do their job & go home. Hence why they’re employees. Self employment or being an employer is not for everyone.
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I have a question...
Are any of your employees aware of your online persona?
Are any of them on CIU?
What about yours?
They probably already know he's a miserable git ;D
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Yo Lee.
How do risk assess hoses crossing pavements etc, how do your guys ‘manage’ the risk?
Thanks.
Just a wild guess here😂😂😂😂
CONES maybe!!!!!
From what I’ve seen, most window cleaners can’t even be arsed with that!😀
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Yo Lee.
How do risk assess hoses crossing pavements etc, how do your guys ‘manage’ the risk?
Thanks.
Just a wild guess here😂😂😂😂
CONES maybe!!!!!
From what I’ve seen, most window cleaners can’t even be arsed with that!😀
im one of them!i dont bother with cones anymore......a few times ive had people nearly falling over them in the past,they clutter up the van and ive left them on jobs before now so i dont bother..... ;)
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Cones/signs are the only thing anyone has ever fallen over when I have been working and the only items ever nicked {bar one pole}.
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
Yes you mention him often I know the company and to be honest number of vans means nothing to me. How much do his guys do every day per head? Not much population density in his area I think. i could have 20 vans on the road if I gave out half as much every day to each guy.
To answer your question I never buy rounds because theres no telling how many might just cancel if they dont like the change. More than that though is we only take on work thats on direct debit nothing else. Most customers are not on dd with other companies. I would go as far to say we have more customers on dd than any other uk company (over 5000 now) Next I want jobs at my price not someone elses. I want customers that chose to use us of their own accord. Lastly people who sell rounds always want 3,4,5 times the monthly value. I always feel I can spend less than that on my own marketing and get the same amount of customers or often quite a lot more and without the downsides of the points mentioned above
Indeed, I've bought work in the past and the results have been mixed. Too mixed for my liking. I even took work where a few of the customers had cancelled months before. I bet I've only retained half of bought work over the years, and some of that needed a price revision. Better to seek out your own work is my experience.
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
Yes you mention him often I know the company and to be honest number of vans means nothing to me. How much do his guys do every day per head? Not much population density in his area I think. i could have 20 vans on the road if I gave out half as much every day to each guy.
To answer your question I never buy rounds because theres no telling how many might just cancel if they dont like the change. More than that though is we only take on work thats on direct debit nothing else. Most customers are not on dd with other companies. I would go as far to say we have more customers on dd than any other uk company (over 5000 now) Next I want jobs at my price not someone elses. I want customers that chose to use us of their own accord. Lastly people who sell rounds always want 3,4,5 times the monthly value. I always feel I can spend less than that on my own marketing and get the same amount of customers or often quite a lot more and without the downsides of the points mentioned above
Indeed, I've bought work in the past and the results have been mixed. Too mixed for my liking. I even took work where a few of the customers had cancelled months before. I bet I've only retained half of bought work over the years, and some of that needed a price revision. Better to seek out your own work is my experience.
I've bought 4 rounds in the past, great value for money.
I've sold 5, I hope the buyers have been happy, I think they were.
Only had minor hiccups buying and selling
Just don't deal with con men, that's my advice 😊
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Cones/signs are the only thing anyone has ever fallen over when I have been working and the only items ever nicked {bar one pole}.
I infamously tripped over my own trip hazard sign and fell into a customer's fishpond. :-[
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
Yes you mention him often I know the company and to be honest number of vans means nothing to me. How much do his guys do every day per head? Not much population density in his area I think. i could have 20 vans on the road if I gave out half as much every day to each guy.
To answer your question I never buy rounds because theres no telling how many might just cancel if they dont like the change. More than that though is we only take on work thats on direct debit nothing else. Most customers are not on dd with other companies. I would go as far to say we have more customers on dd than any other uk company (over 5000 now) Next I want jobs at my price not someone elses. I want customers that chose to use us of their own accord. Lastly people who sell rounds always want 3,4,5 times the monthly value. I always feel I can spend less than that on my own marketing and get the same amount of customers or often quite a lot more and without the downsides of the points mentioned above
Indeed, I've bought work in the past and the results have been mixed. Too mixed for my liking. I even took work where a few of the customers had cancelled months before. I bet I've only retained half of bought work over the years, and some of that needed a price revision. Better to seek out your own work is my experience.
I've bought 4 rounds in the past, great value for money.
I've sold 5, I hope the buyers have been happy, I think they were.
Only had minor hiccups buying and selling
Just don't deal with con men, that's my advice 😊
If you do your due diligence, and look for proof of revenue from the rounds, it's a great way to expand your business.
Never buy a list..
Check to see buisness accounts, and proof of revenue. If they can't show you, then it's not worth buying.
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hi lee
why dont you buy rounds ? theirs a guy near us with over 19 vans out and hes not only as door knockers and put leafless out like yourself but will buy up rounds for the right price
he as the money to buy not only small company's but the bigger ones as well ? hes very switched on and there no moving him on the deal he wants all in his favor of coarse
Yes you mention him often I know the company and to be honest number of vans means nothing to me. How much do his guys do every day per head? Not much population density in his area I think. i could have 20 vans on the road if I gave out half as much every day to each guy.
To answer your question I never buy rounds because theres no telling how many might just cancel if they dont like the change. More than that though is we only take on work thats on direct debit nothing else. Most customers are not on dd with other companies. I would go as far to say we have more customers on dd than any other uk company (over 5000 now) Next I want jobs at my price not someone elses. I want customers that chose to use us of their own accord. Lastly people who sell rounds always want 3,4,5 times the monthly value. I always feel I can spend less than that on my own marketing and get the same amount of customers or often quite a lot more and without the downsides of the points mentioned above
Indeed, I've bought work in the past and the results have been mixed. Too mixed for my liking. I even took work where a few of the customers had cancelled months before. I bet I've only retained half of bought work over the years, and some of that needed a price revision. Better to seek out your own work is my experience.
I've bought 4 rounds in the past, great value for money.
I've sold 5, I hope the buyers have been happy, I think they were.
Only had minor hiccups buying and selling
Just don't deal with con men, that's my advice 😊
If you do your due diligence, and look for proof of revenue from the rounds, it's a great way to expand your business.
Never buy a list..
Check to see buisness accounts, and proof of revenue. If they can't show you, then it's not worth buying.
It’s expensive. Much cheaper to get customers from a leaflet campaign. And very likely better prices too.
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re the cones. Yes we only carry them to cover our own arse. We’re often tripping over our own cones or getting hose caught round them. Don’t think I’ve ever tripped over the actual hose though!
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Good post Lee lots of good feedback here. What's happened to Mark Stock? I loved reading his posts too but haven't seen him on here for a while!
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re the cones. Yes we only carry them to cover our own arse.
Do you work in Brighton?
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Good post Lee lots of good feedback here. What's happened to Mark Stock? I loved reading his posts too but haven't seen him on here for a while!
cleaniac?
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re the cones. Yes we only carry them to cover our own arse.
Do you work in Brighton?
No
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Good post Lee lots of good feedback here. What's happened to Mark Stock? I loved reading his posts too but haven't seen him on here for a while!
cleaniac?
Yes
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Yep that's me.
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Good to see you've waived your consultancy fees (sort of ) here Lee. I'd like to know if you have a social media policy for your employees ?
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Good to see you've waived your consultancy fees (sort of ) here Lee. I'd like to know if you have a social media policy for your employees ?
Talking of consultancy fees did you see the nutty wc on Facebook that’s setting himself up as a mindfulness guru? He always struck me as a bit nutty.
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Good to see you've waived your consultancy fees (sort of ) here Lee. I'd like to know if you have a social media policy for your employees ?
Talking of consultancy fees did you see the nutty wc on Facebook that’s setting himself up as a mindfulness guru? He always struck me as a bit nutty.
Let’s be honest, being a sole trader window cleaner on your C.V. isn’t exactly likely to inspire anyone into believing you can achieve a huge amount.
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re the cones. Yes we only carry them to cover our own arse.
Do you work in Brighton?
No
Brilliant 😂😂😂😂
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“So, why should I use you as a life-coach, what have you achieved in your life which is likely to persuade me to buy your services with my hard earned cash?”
“Well, I run an ok window cleaning round in Landon. I started from scratch wiv just a ladder an’ a bucket.
Now I’ve got a van, ‘n pole, an’ clean me custards places every 4 weeks. Unless it’s wet, then I just ticket ‘em an’ call back later. Innit...”
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“So, why should I use you as a life-coach, what have you achieved in your life which is likely to persuade me to buy your services with my hard earned cash?”
“Well, I run an ok window cleaning round in Landon. I started from scratch wiv just a ladder an’ a bucket.
Now I’ve got a van, ‘n pole, an’ clean me custards places every 4 weeks. Unless it’s wet, then I just ticket ‘em an’ call back later. Innit...”
It’s odd isn’t it? I thought it was a wind up to be honest. Wasn’t it £95 for 1/2 hour on the phone? I could get phone sex for less.
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“So, why should I use you as a life-coach, what have you achieved in your life which is likely to persuade me to buy your services with my hard earned cash?”
“Well, I run an ok window cleaning round in Landon. I started from scratch wiv just a ladder an’ a bucket.
Now I’ve got a van, ‘n pole, an’ clean me custards places every 4 weeks. Unless it’s wet, then I just ticket ‘em an’ call back later. Innit...”
It’s odd isn’t it? I thought it was a wind up to be honest. Wasn’t it £95 for 1/2 hour on the phone? I could get phone sex for less.
I’ve had phone sex for lots less.
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“So, why should I use you as a life-coach, what have you achieved in your life which is likely to persuade me to buy your services with my hard earned cash?”
“Well, I run an ok window cleaning round in Landon. I started from scratch wiv just a ladder an’ a bucket.
Now I’ve got a van, ‘n pole, an’ clean me custards places every 4 weeks. Unless it’s wet, then I just ticket ‘em an’ call back later. Innit...”
It’s odd isn’t it? I thought it was a wind up to be honest. Wasn’t it £95 for 1/2 hour on the phone? I could get phone sex for less.
You could get actual sex for less...or so I hear!
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Good to see you've waived your consultancy fees (sort of ) here Lee. I'd like to know if you have a social media policy for your employees ?
Talking of consultancy fees did you see the nutty wc on Facebook that’s setting himself up as a mindfulness guru? He always struck me as a bit nutty.
What’s Nathan been up to now?
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“So, why should I use you as a life-coach, what have you achieved in your life which is likely to persuade me to buy your services with my hard earned cash?”
“Well, I run an ok window cleaning round in Landon. I started from scratch wiv just a ladder an’ a bucket.
Now I’ve got a van, ‘n pole, an’ clean me custards places every 4 weeks. Unless it’s wet, then I just ticket ‘em an’ call back later. Innit...”
It’s odd isn’t it? I thought it was a wind up to be honest. Wasn’t it £95 for 1/2 hour on the phone? I could get phone sex for less.
You could get actual sex for less...or so I hear!
and your home alone
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Right Im back and refreshed after a great weekend away!. Time to pile on the stress again haha.
Soupy
No we don't have any spare right now, not really finding it much of an issue. We will have down the line again though.
Who knows if my staff see me on here or not. To be honest I really don't care either way. Unlike people on here they actually know me.
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Good to see you've waived your consultancy fees (sort of ) here Lee. I'd like to know if you have a social media policy for your employees ?
I still do my consultancy work. That is quite different from what im doing here and will be doing on youtube.
No we don't have any such policy, not had any need for one.
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Hi Lee. What software are you gonna use for MTD (making tax digital) from April. I got told of a cheap solution for this but I can remember it. Dont look like cleaner planner are gonna have this facility unfortunately
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Hi Lee. What software are you gonna use for MTD (making tax digital) from April. I got told of a cheap solution for this but I can remember it. Dont look like cleaner planner are gonna have this facility unfortunately
None.
My accountants do everything for us.
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Hi Lee what’s happening with your idear for heating water any news ??
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Hi Lee what’s happening with your idear for heating water any news ??
Yes I would like to know this to.
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Hi Lee what’s happening with your idear for heating water any news ??
Yes I would like to know this to.
Guys wake up and smell the coffee, his first thread on this mentioned a heater that cost nothing to run and he then followed it
with this latest rubbish, the ( wont say he deserves to be called) genuinely thinks we are all muppets who would believe anything he comes out with, don't prove him right.
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Hi Lee what’s happening with your idear for heating water any news ??
Yes I would like to know this to.
Guys wake up and smell the coffee, his first thread on this mentioned a heater that cost nothing to run and he then followed it
with this latest rubbish, the ( wont say he deserves to be called) genuinely thinks we are all muppets who would believe anything he comes out with, don't prove him right.
So give him the opportunity to tell us what he has come up with and let’s see it in action , before dismissing it , he just might be on to a winner 😂😂😂
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Yes its coming together as we speak. I am waiting for the prototype right now. I think I will have this in the next week or 2. Once I have it we will be testing it ourselves for a period of time. Once the concept can be demonstrated I will be getting the patent. I don't really want to give the details away before I have this. Next step is to refine the design to something that can be a real world product which we will sell. There are several legal hoops to jump through first. We might have everything in place within 12 months.
As soon as I have a patent I will share all the info.
Dry clean if you disagree with me or have opinions that differ please try to not be so directly rude and offensive. Theres really no need for it.
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How do you frost protect 10 vans in a yard currently? I know they don't carry RO's but even so...pumps etc etc..
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How do you frost protect 10 vans in a yard currently? I know they don't carry RO's but even so...pumps etc etc..
Pah! He's a southern softie and wouldn't know the real pain of frost protection.
We keep our vans inside where possible (they still freeze in sub -12) and drain the systems during winter months.
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Hi Lee what’s happening with your idear for heating water any news ??
Yes I would like to know this to.
Guys wake up and smell the coffee, his first thread on this mentioned a heater that cost nothing to run and he then followed it
with this latest rubbish, the ( wont say he deserves to be called) genuinely thinks we are all muppets who would believe anything he comes out with, don't prove him right.
So give him the opportunity to tell us what he has come up with and let’s see it in action , before dismissing it , he just might be on to a winner 😂😂😂
Splash, for what we need there are only three ways to heat water, immersion, gas or diesel, if you think Lee Pryor has invented a fourth or a superior version of what's already on the market then good for you, remember its not only window cleaners who need and want affordable and easy to produce hot water, there will be companies investing millions on it as we speak, that should be your first clue that he's talking nonsense.
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
Hot air :D
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550604991_pryor.jpg)
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550604991_pryor.jpg)
Maybe you can channel your inner chi to heat it up!! :D
Tbh, I thought this thread was a wind up.
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
For what it's worth, I can vouch for that.
Vin
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Guess ive invented a 4th way then because its none of those 3!...............
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1550604991_pryor.jpg)
Maybe you can channel your inner chi to heat it up!! :D
Tbh, I thought this thread was a wind up.
No people on a wind up tend to have a sense of humour.
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Dry Clean please give the constant sniping a rest it is not constructive.
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Dry Clean please give the constant sniping a rest it is not constructive.
Only the last two replies where sniping but if that's classed as constant then fair enough, I stand by what I said about his heater and his reasons for posting about it on here, time will tell if I'm right or wrong.
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Indeed time will tell.
I am confident this will work. If it does every wfp user will be able to afford hot water without spending the best part of £5k!
My product will require no installation or the need to DIY anything. Be as easy as fitting a univalve to a pole.
Nothing like this on the market for our industry right now and I am confident that if it works as well as I hope no more diesel heaters will be sold from that point.
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Good thread Lee
The hot water system sounds as if you're trying to find a way of redirecting the exhaust gasses from the vehicle to pass through a heat diffusing panel then back out of the vehicle.
Will wait and see if i am right
Also, i find that a lot of staff expect to be picked up from home at starting time and expect to be dropped off at finish time.
Are your guys expected to find their own way to work, do they arrive just on the dot of 7 o'clock or do they arrive early to set their stall out so to say. And does paid work start at 7 at the yard or when they arrive at first job, which may be an hour away.
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Indeed time will tell.
I am confident this will work. If it does every wfp user will be able to afford hot water without spending the best part of £5k!
My product will require no installation or the need to DIY anything. Be as easy as fitting a univalve to a pole.
Nothing like this on the market for our industry right now and I am confident that if it works as well as I hope no more diesel heaters will be sold from that point.
WILL it have automatic frost protection and be able to heat the water to 60c at the brush head?as this is where the real cleaning power is for first cleans and add on jobs.....
Or will it be more of a general warm water system for winter working(like an immersion heater for example)....
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The hot water system sounds as if you're trying to find a way of redirecting the exhaust gasses from the vehicle to pass through a heat diffusing panel then back out of the vehicle.
Lee said:
Will require no installation
For what we need there are only three ways to heat water, immersion, gas or diesel
Just as a side point, I use hot water, and I don't use gas, diesel or an immersion heater either. So I must also be occupying a parallel universe.
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Indeed time will tell.
I am confident this will work. If it does every wfp user will be able to afford hot water without spending the best part of £5k!
My product will require no installation or the need to DIY anything. Be as easy as fitting a univalve to a pole.
Nothing like this on the market for our industry right now and I am confident that if it works as well as I hope no more diesel heaters will be sold from that point.
WILL it have automatic frost protection and be able to heat the water to 60c at the brush head?as this is where the real cleaning power is for first cleans and add on jobs.....
Or will it be more of a general warm water system for winter working(like an immersion heater for example)....
Yes, I have a lot of experience working with hot water. This is the goal we are working towards. First version prototype will be tested this week. I expect this will need to be refined of a period of time.
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Good thread Lee
The hot water system sounds as if you're trying to find a way of redirecting the exhaust gasses from the vehicle to pass through a heat diffusing panel then back out of the vehicle.
Will wait and see if i am right
Also, i find that a lot of staff expect to be picked up from home at starting time and expect to be dropped off at finish time.
Are your guys expected to find their own way to work, do they arrive just on the dot of 7 o'clock or do they arrive early to set their stall out so to say. And does paid work start at 7 at the yard or when they arrive at first job, which may be an hour away.
They get themselves to work and take themselves home.
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Also, i find that a lot of staff expect to be picked up from home at starting time and expect to be dropped off at finish time.
Are your guys expected to find their own way to work, do they arrive just on the dot of 7 o'clock or do they arrive early to set their stall out so to say. And does paid work start at 7 at the yard or when they arrive at first job, which may be an hour away.
A bit weird...... how many employers pick their staff up and drop them home 🤔
I don’t know anyone that applies for a job and then expects to be picked up and dropped off ::)roll
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my first employee did, well during all the school holidays when the bus service meant he would either arrive 45 minutes early or 30 minutes late
shall we say he was soon an ex employee
Darran
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my first employee did, well during all the school holidays when the bus service meant he would either arrive 45 minutes early or 30 minutes late
shall we say he was soon an ex employee
Darran
Some of my staff arrive an hour early for work. No idea why. Must be my scintillating company.
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sorry, if not clear - he didn't want to arrive early on the bus so expected to to go and collect him :-X ( buses run at different times during term time )
all the lads who work for me now get in anywhere between an hour to 30 mins early, they chat, talk footie and drink coffee - my requirement is they are in 10 mins before their start time to check/load van and be on the road at the correct start time
they are paid from this point - even if the work is 3 hours away paid time stops 15 mins after return to unit - time to unload/clean van etc..
Darran
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The hot water system sounds as if you're trying to find a way of redirecting the exhaust gasses from the vehicle to pass through a heat diffusing panel then back out of the vehicle.
Lee said:
Will require no installation
For what we need there are only three ways to heat water, immersion, gas or diesel
Just as a side point, I use hot water, and I don't use gas, diesel or an immersion heater either. So I must also be occupying a parallel universe.
Hot water straight through di into tank???
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The hot water system sounds as if you're trying to find a way of redirecting the exhaust gasses from the vehicle to pass through a heat diffusing panel then back out of the vehicle.
Lee said:
Will require no installation
For what we need there are only three ways to heat water, immersion, gas or diesel
Just as a side point, I use hot water, and I don't use gas, diesel or an immersion heater either. So I must also be occupying a parallel universe.
Hot water straight through di into tank???
Agreed, and heated by gas oil or electricity , where do these people come from.
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Here's his first post on the subject, no running costs, electric on demand, now come on guys lets get a bit of common sense.
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Window Cleaning Issues / New method for hot water
« on: November 14, 2017, 09:59:48 am »
For a while now I've wanted to come up with a product for the industry.
I am currently working on a new hot water product with all of the upsides of gas and diesel but none of the downsides of either. (Both have plenty)
This will be an electric on demand heater with no running costs, hotter and faster to heat than diesel, digital temp control, no 20 min timer like gas, frost protection built in and the ability to use hot all day everyday with no running costs and no servicing required.
No it's not an immersion heater. This will be on demand and piping hot, like gas.
I hope to trial this system on my vans by next spring/summer. Just working on the design now. I also hope to deliver this product for considerably less cost than diesel options.
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Solar powered hot water!
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Hot water straight through di into tank???
No. I did try that once a few years ago, and while it was better than cold, it wasn’t great.
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So this whole thread has been about flogging a product which there is nothing wrong in doing.
Why not say that from the start instead of this bull poop.
Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
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So this whole thread has been about flogging a product which there is nothing wrong in doing.
Why not say that from the start instead of this bull poop.
Good idea Simon, ask and it will be told.
So this thread is a bit of fun really as it seems a few would like to ask genuine questions and I am happy to help them.
Few things first though.
I will not be answering ANY questions from
Dry clean
Peavey
Bungle
Johnboywalton
This is because I believe any question from you is actually designed to stir a problem rather than actually help you or others in any way. Im sure one of you will say something on here..... I wont be responding in any way. You clearly don't want advice from me anyway so why bother. I urge anyone talking on this thread to just ignor any and all negative people/posts, just don't respond to them, lets see if it can be done. Negativity will not help you develop your business, only a positive mindset and focus will, I am a strong believer in this.
For others, If I don't answer your question it doesn't mean I cant I just might not want to or I may answer it in up coming youtube videos I am planning.
Because its not about that. It became about that when someone asked me about it! Maybe you should read through before posting coments like that. if you had you would have seen you were wrong!
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Lee, be very careful when testing the new hot system. It seems Dryclean is obsessed with you and everything you do. I would imagine he will also stalk your vans and make his own calculations as to how much you are earning, whilst doing this Im sure he will be eager to get a glimpse of the hot system and let the cat out of the bag.
Dryclean, Vin from perfect windows has becked Lee up about this new system, what are your thoughts on this?
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Lee should be able to get a patent pending.
Then if dry clean does let the cat out the bag, or tries to copy it, a massive invoice will come his way for licence fees..
What people tend to forget is Lee is a Ltd company, so if you really want to...you can order a copy of his full accounts at companies house..not that many would be able to understand half of it, they will just think oooo that's a lot of 6 figure numbers...and not know what it means anyway..
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Lee should be able to get a patent pending.
Then if dry clean does let the cat out the bag, or tries to copy it, a massive invoice will come his way for licence fees..
What people tend to forget is Lee is a Ltd company, so if you really want to...you can order a copy of his full accounts at companies house..not that many would be able to understand half of it, they will just think oooo that's a lot of 6 figure numbers...and not know what it means anyway..
Not many? Seriously?
It's a profit and loss, not a mathematical proof.
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No Marc thinks he’s some sort of pseudo intellectual or something. ::)roll
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Lee should be able to get a patent pending.
Then if dry clean does let the cat out the bag, or tries to copy it, a massive invoice will come his way for licence fees..
What people tend to forget is Lee is a Ltd company, so if you really want to...you can order a copy of his full accounts at companies house..not that many would be able to understand half of it, they will just think oooo that's a lot of 6 figure numbers...and not know what it means anyway..
Crikey.
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Lee should be able to get a patent pending.
Then if dry clean does let the cat out the bag, or tries to copy it, a massive invoice will come his way for licence fees..
What people tend to forget is Lee is a Ltd company, so if you really want to...you can order a copy of his full accounts at companies house..not that many would be able to understand half of it, they will just think oooo that's a lot of 6 figure numbers...and not know what it means anyway..
Would that be the same people that you are looking for attention/advice from on another thread?
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not that many would be able to understand half of it, they will just think oooo that's a lot of 6 figure numbers...and not know what it means anyway..
Wow!
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Lee, enjoy your replies and admire what you achieved. This is just an observation. If you are having a prototype made by somebody else, I think you are too late to apply for a patent, unless of course you already have applied.
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Dryclean, Vin from perfect windows has becked Lee up about this new system, what are your thoughts on this?
Oh, I can answer that. Dry Clean thinks I'm a ****.
Vin
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Lee, enjoy your replies and admire what you achieved. This is just an observation. If you are having a prototype made by somebody else, I think you are too late to apply for a patent, unless of course you already have applied.
Hi Nick. Im affraid your wrong on that point mate. Lots of companies offer prototype manufacturing of your concept before patent aplication. This person is a long standing friend that I have worked with on other things for many years. We are in it together.
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I have decided to lock this topic now as it has drifted way off as they always do.
I had fun with this and enjoyed answering the questions.
As for hot water product that may take most of this year or longer to reach a point of a sellable product. I will keep you all in the loop as we get nearer the goal.
In the mean time I will be starting our youtube videos in March which should also be fun. I hope to bring a look at the experience of running a larger opperation for those with bigger aspirations. When I was a one man band I certainly would have enjoyed watching that.