Jor dan

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Is my invoice too menacing?
« on: July 29, 2016, 07:21:06 pm »
This is what the custy gets if they ask for invoice and to pay by bank transfer, and gave one to a commercial today:

and if it is too menacing, I blame you guys for your horror stories I have read about chasing payments, and about taking dirty water back to customers (would rather avoid that)  ;D

Payments must be made with 14 days of completion of work.

Late payments will be charged an additional late fee of £40 for services up to £999.99
Late payments will be charged an additional late fee of £70 for services up to £9,999,99
(These amounts are legally applied under UK Business to Business late payment legislation laws)

Failure to pay after 5 additional working days of the late payment, will see the debt applied to a county court for recovery.

 ::)roll

(p.s) i dont have it in big bold letters, font size 30px, just small in the terms of payment.


Steve Chapman

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2016, 08:56:03 pm »
Industry standard terms are normally 30 days.......

Robin Ray

Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2016, 12:22:15 pm »
Imposing payment terms only appear menacing to people and customers who intend to muck you around.

Having said that if you work on attracting the right type of customer you seldom need to impose a payment term..

JandS

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2016, 06:20:55 pm »
Same as Steve 30 days is the standard....yes it does sound threatening
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homenclean

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2016, 09:15:55 pm »
£25.00 for us on late payment usually after 45 days, on the flip side offer a 5% discount on invoices settled within  7 days

John

elliott cleaning

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2016, 08:44:33 pm »
This is what the custy gets if they ask for invoice ...

My concern is not so much about the terms of your invoice but more the fact that you state -'if they ask for an invoice'.

I fear HMRC might be more than interested in you if your clients have the option from you of invoice or no invoice :o

Jor dan

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2016, 04:52:21 pm »
I have taken out the court bit, and changed the 'Will be charged' to 'May be charged' as I guess human error can occur in people fogetting, and it shows you are able to give leeway, but not be taken for a ride.

jasonl

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2016, 05:15:17 pm »
On every quote simply write

Terms: payment upon completion.

It works for me and shows confidence in your work.

Every organisation can sort a payment if needed.
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mark shannon

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2016, 06:26:48 pm »
But in reality do you always get payed on completion Jason?

jasonl

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2016, 06:55:10 pm »
Yes I do from new customers, once we have built trust some are allowed credit terms, but only on well priced jobs in my favour.

Today I had an emergency clean at a Mercure hotel, on the initial call the housekeeper asked if I would send an invoice as she cant pay cash.

I said no cash on completion, and she just went in the till and got the cash, paid with a smile.

Cant usually means wont.
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ShaunL

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2016, 08:54:40 pm »
I agree with Jason, although most like to pay by BACS and this is done the next day. If not, I keep phoning them. Never had a major problem with payments but it's pointless offering credit terms when it should be in their budget and they have the money available.

Having said that, if you do offer credit terms; shouldn't this be an agreed in a contract beforehand after they give you a credit application form? I wouldn't have thought you could slap these charges on the invoice at the time?

Steve Chapman

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2016, 09:33:10 am »
Some of the organizations I deal with are 60 -90 days  :o

Doctor Carpet (Ret'd)

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2016, 02:25:56 pm »
Surely a more basic thing to do when contacted by a new (potential) commercial client is to ask some basic questions before agreeing to the contract (work for payment).

Firstly ask what their payment terms are. If they are unacceptable then is the time to discuss it if its going to be a problem to you.

Secondly, if a larg(ish) organization find out the name/department who will actually pay your bill. Too often one individual instructs you to do the cleaning whilst another department (operating to their own rules) actually pays your bill. there's no point harassing the person who gave you the job if they are not the same person who releases the funds.

If you can find out the answers to these two questions then you at least have the choice of taking on the cleaning or at least knowing when you will be paid, and who to chase if it is late.

Rog
Diplomacy: the art of letting other people have your way

Robin Ray

Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2016, 10:43:16 pm »
On every quote simply write

Terms: payment upon completion.

It works for me and shows confidence in your work.

Every organisation can sort a payment if needed.

Absolutely.

Mark Weedon

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2016, 09:51:10 pm »
Hi Jordan

I'd personally remove all details of late payment fines, and pursuing county court judgements after 19days is ridiculous.

Prior to agreeing commercial work, ask what payment details are, tell them yours are 14days if you so wish, personally 30days is quite standard. Late payment act actually has 60 days as default time to wait.

Just put 14 days on invoice and get chasing after that length of time.

Mark


jasonl

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Re: Is my invoice too menacing?
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2016, 02:27:33 pm »
Why give 14 days credit when people will happily pay on completion?
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