[jjames]

Ok i am looking for a new machine and don't know where to start, there are so many out there. I want something mid range for domestic properties, i am currently using a Prochem Galaxy and although it does a great job I would like something that gets the job done quicker. What do you recommend? Thank You

[sean oregan]

Clean smart Airflex all the way.
Great machine's and very good service.

[tim handley]

airflex always look after me, the pro or the storm are both good........  youll get a different opinion from everybody you ask, you just need to spend hours reading folks comments about machines/suppliers and go with your gut feeling, you can read up about virtually every machine on here with the search facility.............. go on solutions forum and read about the jag, ask plenty of operators for their opinions, and dont rush into owt....... by the way, may be worth you ringing me for a quick chat 
i may be able to help you....... 07921121828

[evan williams]

I have a Prochem Galaxy and I know some knock it but its not too big to lug up stairs into back of van etc, very happy , Evan

[Jamie Pearson]

Another option halfway between your Galaxy and the Airflex mentioned is the Alltec Elite machine.

More vac than your Galaxy so can run extra hose length if needed and built in heat which makes a huge difference.

Its smaller than the Airflex but more capable than the Galaxy at 25litre capacity.

[Richard Cole]

I have a nearly new Altec Express 135psi twin vac with in-tank heater for sale, see used equipment for details and pictures.  Same  as Airflex Mini. I purchased new last September for some regular work in a hotel where my main machine was too big and heavy but now no longer need it.  Its been used for around 25 hours since new.  Better than Galaxy and can still fit in back of car if need be.

[scott johns]

alltec all the way any off there machines are good especially the 600psi triple vac
its an awesome machine cut cleaning times and drying times in half good luck

[C o z y]

Steempro 2000. Muts nuts for portables. 50ft hose

[CleanerCarpets]

Hold on!!! Don't think anyone has mentioned the Ashbys Enforcer yet! How could you! Very well engineered machine

[IpswichJon]

MMM my first post on CIU
I've been happy with a number of machines over the years, Ninga, Tornado, CFR , Sensei but just taken delivery of Jag 8.4 and been putting it through its paces on all sorts of jobs in the past couple of weeks.
Its a seriously great machine, not the best looking granted but nothing would would get me to hand it back!
Would have gone Alltech  ( put of by weight)
Could have had Enforcer but pricey with top spec.
Also been using with SPM,Soluboost and Shockwave ( with Final Phase) Spotter use WAY DOWN 
 

[john martin]

MMM my first post on CIU
I've been happy with a number of machines over the years, Ninga, Tornado, CFR , Sensei but just taken delivery of Jag 8.4 and been putting it through its paces on all sorts of jobs in the past couple of weeks.
Its a seriously great machine, not the best looking granted but nothing would would get me to hand it back!
Would have gone Alltech  ( put of by weight)
Could have had Enforcer but pricey with top spec.
Also been using with SPM,Soluboost and Shockwave ( with Final Phase) Spotter use WAY DOWN 

How much are they charging for replacement 8.4s  IpswichJon  if u know . Thanks.

[IpswichJon]

To be honest not a clue, however over the years I've been lucky ( or looked after the vacs)
My CFR 500 aw has over 900 hours, vac trouble free and I can only ever remember getting  two replaced previously.
If  one goes in the near future, warranty, after that who knows, the guys that have been real life testing in the states have hundreds of hours on them!

[Robin Ray]

I asked Nick a while ago and......

To non Jag owners £490 + vat each 

[john martin]

I asked Nick a while ago and......

To non Jag owners £490 + vat each 

daftness !  Its a real step backwards if carpet cleaners start paying high prices for motors like they used to with some7.2s .
I am happy to pay this ...   and let them blow when ever they do 

http://www.carpetcleanersstore.co.uk/product/vacmotor3

[stuart_clark]

I will soon be looking for a new machine, likely contenders are the Jag the Storm or the Enforcer,
if the enforcer had its vacs set in parallel I wouldn't have any hesitation, but having used a tripple now or two for the last eight years that are parallel,  that is my prefered choice, I had three ninjas, the last with a booster adaption fitted but it diddnt clean nor leave carpets as dry as three motors in parallel as per my Scorpys

Stuart

[CleanerCarpets]

Stuart - have i just read that right?

You are considering a Jag again!! After all you have said? Is it the 8.4's that are tempting you? Will you be allowed to buy one!?

[stuart_clark]

Cleaner carpets

Letsjust say Nick and I have kissed and made up,
to be fair on Solutions I thought the Jag was a great machine and I would of still owned one had it been more reliable, but that was an issuse with the motors rather than the machine itself,
lets just see how reliable the 8.4s actually are , and if they are I will purchase one


stuart

[CleanerCarpets]

good to hear it mate - and the 8.4 Jag sounds like it can pull some sh#t!

[john martin]

  I measured the 6.6 at 10hg  , all you would be gaining in parallel with the 8.4 is about half to one Hg . Most would probably gain that by tightening their hose cuffs and still not notice .
 You would still be stuck with that third world body and you would be a slave to high price motor replacements where as u can buy a 6.6 for a mere £135 .
Get yourself a proper UK engineered machine that doesn't need to call itself a 'rolls Royce '    on its website ...  because it has integrity in its own right .
Go Storm , Evolution , Enforcer ...   and don't look back .
 

[stuart_clark]

If I wasn't interested in a Jag , I would opt for the Storm or the evolution ! I spoke to ashbys yesterday and they have told me that the Enforcer is no more powerful than the Ninja , just more modern and better build quality, ive had three Ninjas the last the all singing all dancing with a third booster and it diddnt leave carpets as clean or as dry compared to the Scorpion ! If I bought an Enforcer if would be like going back in time , like ten years!  When I used the Ninjas I always thought they were a good machine, but when I changed to a tripple vac in parallel , the difference was imense
Stuart

[Richard Cole]

jjames have you decided on a machine yet?

[CleanerCarpets]

i think the Airflex Turbo is still a viable option, 3 vacs so you can always run on just 2 if one goes down for the short term and better body set up than the scorpy

[stuart_clark]

The drawback with the Storm is its weight and the waste tank holds a lot less than the clean tank, but apart from that its a good machine and would be near to the top of my list, the pros are the fact you can axess all the internal parts very quickly and remove motors in a few mins, there aren't many machines around like that


Stuart

[Raymondo]

In January our van was off the road for nearly 3 weeks after a piston went.

We are going to get a portable ( when the vans of the road) at some point later this year and maybe stick it in a small van.

I would like to see all the 6.6 machine in the same place at the same time to compare them with a testing meter (jag storm evolution enforcer).

All have advantages and disadvantages.

Maybe see if it can be done at the NCCA carnival.

 

[john martin]

If I wasn't interested in a Jag , I would opt for the Storm or the evolution ! I spoke to ashbys yesterday and they have told me that the Enforcer is no more powerful than the Ninja , just more modern and better build quality, ive had three Ninjas the last the all singing all dancing with a third booster and it diddnt leave carpets as clean or as dry compared to the Scorpion ! If I bought an Enforcer if would be like going back in time , like ten years!  When I used the Ninjas I always thought they were a good machine, but when I changed to a tripple vac in parallel , the difference was imense
Stuart

Id say what Ashbys told u was the present Ninja is the same as the Enforcer  ...     as in that are fitting it out with the same vacs  , who knows what vacs u has in your old ninja 10 years ago .
Series might not be for you but if u put 100ft of hose on a standard Enforcer there is nothing asthmatic or weak  ... it is still pulling hard .     People like Russ chadd who have owned other setups will tell u similar .That said the Enforcer is better when u replace the 1200w motor with a second 1600w .

I think all machines will have a smaller usable waste tank  ...  with an enforcer its about 5 buckets to fill ...emptying is about three buckets  , i'd say the storm is about the same .
Storm looks like it handles well so weight should be no issue .
Evolution is probably great machine also with its built in heaters

[Radek Jablonski]

jag or scorpion holds max 20l in waste tank , after that sucks the water and foam
storm takes easy 30l as the pipe is very high. You can not fully empty the scorpions tank while storm empties in full.

[SimonW]

By the way people please verify this. ..

Is there any difference in Storm manufactured 2 years ago and current ones? Such motors or pumps?

[Radek Jablonski]

dont think so
the only different now is that the faulty 6.6 engines are not being fitted
i have a storm for 2 years now and 1 engines has been changed, pump has been serviced 2nd time yesterday.

[Robin Ray]

If I wasn't interested in a Jag , I would opt for the Storm or the evolution ! I spoke to ashbys yesterday and they have told me that the Enforcer is no more powerful than the Ninja , just more modern and better build quality, ive had three Ninjas the last the all singing all dancing with a third booster and it diddnt leave carpets as clean or as dry compared to the Scorpion ! If I bought an Enforcer if would be like going back in time , like ten years!  When I used the Ninjas I always thought they were a good machine, but when I changed to a tripple vac in parallel , the difference was imense
Stuart

Id say what Ashbys told u was the present Ninja is the same as the Enforcer  ...     as in that are fitting it out with the same vacs  , who knows what vacs u has in your old ninja 10 years ago .
Series might not be for you but if u put 100ft of hose on a standard Enforcer there is nothing asthmatic or weak  ... it is still pulling hard .     People like Russ chadd who have owned other setups will tell u similar .That said the Enforcer is better when u replace the 1200w motor with a second 1600w .

I think all machines will have a smaller usable waste tank  ...  with an enforcer its about 5 buckets to fill ...emptying is about three buckets  , i'd say the storm is about the same .
Storm looks like it handles well so weight should be no issue .
Evolution is probably great machine also with its built in heaters

I have a Airflex Pro custom which originally had the motors set up in series. I recently changed them to parallel and the difference in performance is very noticeable for the better. I was always an advocate of a series set up but now I would never change back to a series set up. For that reason if I was looking for a new machine I would have either a Storm, Evolution, or Jag. I personally really like the look of the quality of the Evolution however it looks a little heavy to use as a portable. I don't like the look of the Jag but the 8.4 motors are tempting, and as i have the the Pro I can vouch for the fact that it maneuvers well as a portable especially on stairs if it is needed, the only down point IMO is the lid is weak.

Rob

[SimonW]

dont think so
the only different now is that the faulty 6.6 engines are not being fitted
i have a storm for 2 years now and 1 engines has been changed, pump has been serviced 2nd time yesterday.

thanks Radek.

[stuart_clark]

Radek

where do you get your information from ? you are talking a load of sh##te !
The Scorpion and the Jags waste tanks hold 56 litres
and John martin I spoke to cath at ashby who knows me well, told me that the new enforcer was no more powerful than my original ninjas, and I couldnt care less what anyone has said about the enforcer,  they are not as powerful as a machine that has its motors set in paralel, and if the enforcer is so great ? Why do you feel the need to make acbooster box with twin motors in it ?

Stuart

[john martin]

I have a Airflex Pro custom which originally had the motors set up in series. I recently changed them to parallel and the difference in performance is very noticeable for the better. I was always an advocate of a series set up but now I would never change back to a series set up. For that reason if I was looking for a new machine I would have either a Storm, Evolution, or Jag. I personally really like the look of the quality of the Evolution however it looks a little heavy to use as a portable. I don't like the look of the Jag but the 8.4 motors are tempting, and as i have the the Pro I can vouch for the fact that it maneuvers well as a portable especially on stairs if it is needed, the only down point IMO is the lid is weak.

Rob

Dunno , i used parallel for a long time and it would seem weak to me now without the strong series  suction  ,
some of it might come down to wand technique  , i tend to be a bit of a wand leaner and i dont get on with S bends . 
Looks like Ashbys could sell more machines if they made a parallel version for some of you guys .

For me the Enforcer is the best design out there  .... the level of thought that went into it stands out , things like shower proof  ,  waste tank design , ease of access , general quality of fittings and finish and ergonomics . And every part of it has design thought , even the base has a door ledge runner so as not to snag ,  who would have thought of a detail like that , not sure if i would .

The Evolution looks like quality through out , i know i would be very happy to use one .   Again little things like exposed switch panel , lack of a loading system would be a slight negative being critical .

The Jag  ..  im sure it looks like i bash it for the hell of it but not really , i am just extremely critical  , i dont care about the looks , its how the design affects function and Radek mentions one of the flaws above . Also i need to be getting something for my money , there is nothing quality ,  for example the main side fan on the Enforcer (priced in maplin ) costs more than the Jags two back wheels ... and anything else on it apart from the ametek/pumptec bits .

The Storm ,  its not bad , i saw one with cracked lid so i have to question how is that so easy to break , also its not as neat or well thought out as the Enforcer , eg the cables dont have dedicated wrap for loading , the switch panel is exposed .  But over all its not bad , good to maneuver etc

[john martin]

Radek

where do you get your information from ? you are talking a load of sh##te !
The Scorpion and the Jags waste tanks hold 56 litres
and John martin I spoke to cath at ashby who knows me well, told me that the new enforcer was no more powerful than my original ninjas, and I couldnt care less what anyone has said about the enforcer,  they are not as powerful as a machine that has its motors set in paralel, and if the enforcer is so great ? Why do you feel the need to make acbooster box with twin motors in it ?

Stuart

Is Cath in the technical department  ... or answering the phone 

You got to remember stuart i have run a triple vac parallel .  I am not really knocking it . 
You should really try a few machines first hand and compare for yourself .

First thing i did with the Enforcer is ripped out the 1200w motor ... after replacing it with another high power unit i did not really need a booster .
The Booster takes thinks to another level though  ...  it  makes my lift rise instantaneous ,  and very longs runs have no power drop  but retain the high suction and flow . 
Its gives me super fast cleaning rates and drying times whan thats desirable .

[stuart_clark]

John

cath ashby is the co owner of adhbys and I thi k she knows whats she talking about although you may know better !
I dont use hose lengths longer than 50ft , I can count on one hand how many times in eight years I've used more than 50ft , so in most cases 50ft more than suffices, maybe you work in a lot of mansions? I dont
its a pity that Ashbys have said yhe enforcer was only on par with a ninja as I would of bought one otherwise ! I have bought three machines from Ashbys in the past and have always had good service from them and I know derek very well
I liked the fact the Enforcer was altogether ie heater and heat e changer and exellent build quality, but if its less powerfull than I amcurrently using, I aint interested

Stuart

[Radek Jablonski]

stuart take a measure tape, i just did, when you measure full capacity it is 46L around.
Now measure the useble space, it shows me 28L. You need to measure from the level of valve to the level under ender the elbow pipes. And the 28l are only from calculations, in real you will empty around no more then 2 ×12l buckets. After this level suction starts pulling water to the engines.
and you need another extractor to suck up all the dirt from the waste tank every few jobs not nice.

[Radek Jablonski]

update

just did a little experiment
filled the waste water tank on my storm to the level when the float switch of the engines. Then emptied using bucket, got exactly 38 litres.
the difference in level between  the float switch and sucking pipie inlet is quite big, if theres no huge amount of foam no way to suck it up, preaty safe.

[Lewis Newby]

Would the enforcer take 2 x  6.6  or 3 x 5.7 in parralell John?

If so im not sure why they havent offered it?

Stuart- the volume of the jag waste is 56l and solution is 60l. I have to empty just over twice before i even look at filling. I have had this on other machines also usually 50-60% before they cut off, but its safer for them to work this way imo

Lew

[SimonW]

update

just did a little experiment
filled the waste water tank on my storm to the level when the float switch of the engines. Then emptied using bucket, got exactly 38 litres.
the difference in level between  the float switch and sucking pipie inlet is quite big, if theres no huge amount of foam no way to suck it up, preaty safe.

Radek could you please drop me your email as Id like to ask you smth regarding machine please.

[Radek Jablonski]

Stuart- the volume of the jag waste is 56l and solution is 60l.

measure the tank inside, take off what takes the space inside and you go down by 10L,  and it is not an useable space.


Simon,
info@rjservices.ie

[Lewis Newby]

Yes Radek, perhaps i was unclear but i was agreeing with you, the auto cut off is around half way up on the inside. The stack pipes, cut off pip and apo/filter intrude on this volume also. Then you have 2-3 litres in the bottom each time you empty via the waste gate and not the side bung.

My point is dont read too much into the figures. Some manufactures quote a usable capacity and others the volumetric capacity.

Not knocking the jag btw, now its on decent motors its running well, i have also been using van mounted for a few weeks now quite haplily

Lew

[stuart_clark]

Lewis

what machine did you use prior to the Jag and correct me if I am wrong, but the enforcer will only have one stack pipe as the motors are set in series, so even if it were possible to mount the motors in the enforcer in paralel ,which I very much doubt, you would have two vacs sucking through one stack pipe and you loose airflow and thats what its all about

Stuart

[Lewis Newby]

Lewis

what machine did you use prior to the Jag

I started with a sx2100 , then a pfx1350 (which cut off with around 18-20l in the waste tank)
Then the jag, and also an airflex pro custom as a backup

[stuart_clark]

Lewis

sorry for my ignorance but I am not familiar with those other two machines ! Was the airflex a twin vac ?

Stuart

[john martin]

Would the enforcer take 2 x  6.6  or 3 x 5.7 in parralell John?

If so im not sure why they havent offered it?

Stuart- the volume of the jag waste is 56l and solution is 60l. I have to empty just over twice before i even look at filling. I have had this on other machines also usually 50-60% before they cut off, but its safer for them to work this way imo

Lew

I think they are so committed to the philosophy of series that they would have no intention of offering parallel . 
Converting it to parallel  ?   anything is possible  .  It would not be just a matter of switching a couple of hoses .
If you had a metal manifold made that looks like two stages of a motor ... and had a 90 degree bend coming out the side dropping down , that could be inserted between the upper vac motor and the tank mounting plate  ,  the lower vac hose would then attach to the 90 degree bend ,  the upper motor exhaust would need a vent hose to the out side .   You could fairly easily switch from series to parallel if you wanted to also .
Another option would be to remove the top tank mounted vac and floor mount it up near the front right , then Y connect the two a attach to the tank hole .

If i had a thing about parallel i think it might just be easier to buy a parallel machine  , If not the storm
The Evolution would be a good choice   ,  quality ,on-board  heat , on-board silencer , twin stack   ...   
This chap demos his on youtube  , looks like hes getting good heat also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMRUNf3hkI

[Lewis Newby]

Stuart, the sx2100 is a prochem steempro, and the other is a powrflite 13gallon heated extractor. Both 2 series 5.7 motors.

My airflex is 2 5.7 electros , origionally series but i recently switched it to parralell. Its a nice machine at 50' and needs only one cord

[Lewis Newby]

Thanks john, i wont be buying another machine for a few years now anyway.

The enforcer and alltec look quality machines for sure but i wouldnt want to lose that much airflow going to the series setup again

[stuart_clark]

Does anyone know for certain what type and size of vacume motors that are fitted into the evolution ?


Stuart

[john martin]

Does anyone know for certain what type and size of vacume motors that are fitted into the evolution ?


Stuart

Looks like 6.6 in this pic  . I think you could choose twin 6.6 or 7amp electro .

[Robin Ray]

Looks a great machine. I would seriously consider one of these if buying a new porty.

[SimonW]

so what's the final verdict people?  which machine should we buy as the most recommended/reliable?

[stuart_clark]

Simon
I dont think there is a final verdict ! Its either the Enforcer or the Evolution depending on what vac set up you require ?
But both machines have the power and heat including inlines and are well built, both are heavy beasts there is nothing between them realy


Stuart

[CleanerCarpets]

consider your maintenance - are you close enought to a dealer to get it maintained there? do you want to swap your own vacs and service your own pump? if you do you need to look at how easy that is - i had a twin vac Alltec and loved it but i think its very tight in the Evolution is you want to fiddle yourself - maybe not i am not sure. The Airflex is the best for own maintenance with the way it all seperates

[stuart_clark]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

[stuart_clark]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

[stuart_clark]

I supose you have to weigh up all the pros and cons when considering a new machine ! I realy like the evolution but the weight factor is a consideration,  its a lovely well made machine with tank heater as well as an inline , but it weighs 62kg and the thoughtmof lumping in and out of my van, my back is cringing at the thought !
The Enforcer on the other hand is very similar with having the two heaters but goes into the van much easier but is it as powerful?
The Jag ! Well ive got two Scorpys and have been very pleased with them as everyone knows, they are powerfull very light and reliable, the downsides is they have no heater and without being uncoomplentry are not that atstetingly pleasing to the eye, but hey ho they do the job and thats all the customer is concearned with
then there is the Storm ! A well proven machine , not as heavy as the altec and very easy to work on and I can purchase it from a very local supplier, cons there is no in tank heater and is quite heavy, but is designed to roll into your van without a fuss ! Disisions disisions !!! Lol

[CleanerCarpets]

i have the Airflex Turbo and so long as there isn't too much water in the clean tank you dont need to lay it on its back to get it in the van, the large back wheels mean you can tilt it back and get the front wheels up on the van then just lift the rest in like i did with my Scorpion. The Scorpion was lighter but the big air tyres on the Airflex and better weight distribution actually make it much better to move

[john martin]

John martin

ive just come off the phone after speaking to ashbys and they have categorically said there new enforcer is only slightly more powerful than the original ninja

were you talking to that Cath again     what happen to the guys that claimed 200cfm and made the Airflex comparison video  .
So if it has 17HG and 117cfm  ...  then it might be about 10% more powerfull than your original ninja , but it dont know the wattage motors  your ninja had 10 years ago .
So no its not dramatically more powerfull  ... but it seems to work well , as in can you find anyone whos bought one that isnt happy with it .
Like i said i never really used it as standard so im no the best one to comment on its performance , u could search what russ chadd had to say on previous threads .  As you said heat is also a strong point and would probably compensate for whatever u think it might lack .
But it might not be for you , the two guys that bought the Airflex pros her were not happy with series so unless the configuration doesn't translate as well to performance  in the Airflex for some reason , then series might not be everyone .
Mine is now running a 640airwatt 6.6 and a 580airwatt electro ,   when i attach a hand tool it whistles and it grips your hand til it almost hurts ...   so no changing from series for me .

also agree with last post  ... these machines might be heavier on paper but  'lighter'  in reality .

[stuart_clark]

John martin

if I had an electric powered hwe machine giving 325 cfm and 17 hg 240" of water lift would you buy it ?

[john martin]

John martin

if I had an electric powered hwe machine giving 325 cfm and 17 hg 240" of water lift would you buy it ?

I know thats the Escapes claimed figures 
if thats what your talking about i wouldn't just recommend it with experiencing living with it day to day myself  , i know the performance is good . There would be some pros and cons to running  it , but more in favor i'd say .  I think u could use it on most jobs but would really need to have portable on  the van also for jobs that don't suit .
But if a guy that actually runs one is here !  , as Robin  mentioned on the other thread ,it would be great to hear of his experience overall , good and bad .

[stuart_clark]

John

I can get my hands on one, a brand new one for the price of a storm ! Well nearly £3000
My only problem is how do I supply fresh water to it ? Not realy had any experience of that type of set up ! A guy I was talking to today from west yorkshire has one, and he swears by it but feeds his from the customers hose pipe

[stuart_clark]

The guy I was chatting with this afternoon had a boxer and a spitfire and has got rid of the spitfire and bought an escape, he thought it was better and obviously no massive petrol costs normally associated with petrol truckmounts, he is going to get another nand get rid of the other petrol truckmount, he has a three van set up and is very pleased with the escape
he has a device that heats the water up I thi k around the exhaust of the van

[john martin]

John

I can get my hands on one, a brand new one for the price of a storm ! Well nearly £3000
My only problem is how do I supply fresh water to it ? Not realy had any experience of that type of set up ! A guy I was talking to today from west yorkshire has one, and he swears by it but feeds his from the customers hose pipe

Thats certainly a tempting price Stuart !
It probably works great once u get every thing set up and get used to it .
I found a manual here ... (power hook will part be not relevant @230v)   but its shows an autofill connection at the side of its onboard tank  , so u gotta hook up a hose  , either from  customers supply , or onboard tank ... a transfer demand pump would be the right way to do that .

http://mytee.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Escape-man_web.pdf

[stuart_clark]

John
how does the Storm with its 6.6 motors compare ie cfm and hg to an Escape ? I cant find any figures online


Stuart

[john martin]

John
how does the Storm with its 6.6 motors compare ie cfm and hg to an Escape ? I cant find any figures online


Stuart

A storm would be around 290cm and 10hg
You can only get the high lift and the high flow at the one time with 4vacs

[stuart_clark]

John
I do believe there are two sets of vacs in series thenthe pair in parallel ! Best of both worlds ! Same as your inforcer with the booster box

[stuart_clark]

John

its just dawned on me that your Enforcer with the booster box fitted must have more cfm and more hg than the ETM as your Electro motors are more powerful than the standard 1400 watt lambs

[john martin]

John
I do believe there are two sets of vacs in series thenthe pair in parallel ! Best of both worlds ! Same as your inforcer with the booster box

yes my boosted Enforcer pretty much copies the Escapes motor setup

[john martin]

John

its just dawned on me that your Enforcer with the booster box fitted must have more cfm and more hg than the ETM as your Electro motors are more powerful than the standard 1400 watt lambs

 The Escape is suppose to be running 560 airwatt electros ( unless woodbridge had other ideas )  mytee were the first i think to use electros and they are often referred to as Mytee motors on the US forums.
My setup has all kinds of motors at this point in time ... because i was trying various vacs testing and playing around with  things . 

[stuart_clark]

John
how many air watts does a 5.7 lamb motor produce ?

[john martin]

John
how many air watts does a 5.7 lamb motor produce ?

around 460 for a 1400w Roughly. ..  I don't think it's critical what motors it's fitted with as that 4vac configuration will feel powerful with any three stages ...but u would need to try it for yourself.

[stuart_clark]

Radek
do you still mount your Storm on your van ? And if so how much water do you carry ? And do you have a seperate vessel for the waste water or does it just empty into a bucket ?

Stuart

[stuart_clark]

John
any idea how much cfm 2x 8.4 motors would give ? And how much lift
Dont think there is room in a storm for 8.4s if matt decided to make any changes in the future

Stuart

[Radek Jablonski]

Stuart I have a upright 400L bafflet tank for fresh water with submersible cheap garden pump inside the tank to pump water. then 250l flat baffled tank for waste water, must be flat as need to be lower then the storm waste water tank. Emptying works automatically when the machine stops as the opened valve is placed over the 250l tank.
Filling the storm takes only 2 minutes.
It could be enough to carry 250l of fresh water, but 400l is not much bigger so i got it and no need to fill my van every day.

[stuart_clark]

Radek
what sort of van do you have mate ?

[Radek Jablonski]

nissan primastar lwb

one thing, if you want to empty your machine to the seperate tank you need some filter, I have an vacuum inline mytee filter. otherwise all bigger stuff will go to the tank. Other option is this http://www.tanks-direct.co.uk/tank_accessories/filter_baskets you can order with your tank from restormate. recommend mytee anyway and the other filter as an extra protection with piglet filters on it if you like.

[stuart_clark]

Radek
I cant understand why you need this garden pump with your storm van mounted system ?  Surely its just a case of dropping the solution pick up pipes into the fresh water tank ?
If I have the same set up I think I would just dump the water into a drain rather than use a separate tank

Stuart

[Radek Jablonski]

stuart
those pipes are not long enough to place into such a big tank, end of the hose would need to get to the bottom of the tank, not possible and longer hose is not recommended.
other think is that I can mix any chems in solution tank I need.. If you use the big tank as a water feed and then if you need to mix some solution in the storm tank then you would need to move the hoses what would require priming the pump.
Pump is just more handy.

[Lewis Newby]

Stuart, im sure soneone can clarify, but I believe if you transport fresh water to the job you must dispose of it as waste once its been used.  Therefor a waste water liscence is required. I think different water boards have different views, some being stricter then others.
hopefully I am wrong is I often use my water tank to clean customers carpets and dispose of it on site.

[Raymondo]

Stuart, im sure soneone can clarify, but I believe if you transport fresh water to the job you must dispose of it as waste once its been used.  Therefor a waste water liscence is required. I think different water boards have different views, some being stricter then others.
hopefully I am wrong is I often use my water tank to clean customers carpets and dispose of it on site.

We run a truckmount so can have a tank of waste water.

A few years ago we went to the environment agency and asked them whether we needed a waste licence.

He looked at the TM he then made a few phone calls and then had a looked at the TM again then a few more calls.

In the end the answer was no but I really felt he was unsure but as he said no then that was good enough.

What do you class as waste even a hoover bag is waste?

I hate red tape and elf and safety policies etc.

[Lewis Newby]

Exactly!  You can put any and everything into water at home , but if you do it for a living you get screwed.

I dont know the technicalities , but I use detergent free, so thats detergents off the list.
now lets look at worst case vomit, urine, faeces and blood. I have flushed all the above down the loo at some time. My kids (and very occasionally me ) have accidents in the bath. And I have lost count of times people stand over a sink with a nose bleed.
Anything else should be natural material such as dust, soil, and all manor of organic organisms etc which some of which would naturally make its way out to the open in the air or via foot traffic.

Like I said im no expert so happy to be corrected but thats how I see it

[Carpet2Clean]

Hi Radek

Have you got any pictures of your set up in your van ?



Richard

[Radek Jablonski]

Hi Radek

Have you got any pictures of your set up in your van ?

Richard

[stuart_clark]

Radek
do you use the mytee twist and lock cuffs on your hoses mate ?

[Radek Jablonski]

yes some I got with the mytee filter, but all the rest are cool cuffs
I have all hoses in 25ft lenghts, 50ft ones have been cutted a half.

[stuart_clark]

Radek
nice looking set up mate, dont supose you have ang pics of this feed pump ? From fresh water tank ? And does it work off  the mains or battery ?  Where did you get your hose reel from

Stuart

[Carpet2Clean]

Thanks Radek for the picture

Nice set up........Been looking to do this for a long time out the back of the van.

I am like Stuart looking at getting a more powerful machine (storm or evo)

What hose run are you using with your storm

Richard

[Radek Jablonski]

pump, havent see once I placed it in, but this was some cheap garden submersible  pump. Works from mains, once I connect two power leads I have a 230v inside the van, see the sockets on the first picture, one cable runs to the front and I have a switch there for the pump.

Hose reel and tank cages I welded myself.

There is 100ft of 2inch hoses and 75ft of 1.5 inch hoses. Usually use no more then 70-75ft, somethimes 100ft, more then this realy realy somethines, not recommend due to the suction.
75ft is still very good, 100ft is very acceptable but if more you start feeling the lack of power, but still prefer more hoses, lower pressure and work a bit slower then remove the machine and work with buckets.

[SimonW]

I just bought Storm from Paul Moss. It's stunning! so highly recommend this sweetie.

[Carpet2Clean]

Thanks Radek for the info 

Richard

[stuart_clark]

Simon
so you wont be looking to sell it on then mate ?

[SimonW]

Stuart not at all. I am so happy from this machine... finally I have it

[stuart_clark]

Simon
what machine were you using before the Storm ?

[SimonW]

prochems powermax 125psi and their standard motors

[stuart_clark]

One hell of a difference then ? I might treat myself next week ! Been looking at four machines, the Jag obviously the Evolution , the Enforcer and the Storm, I think out of them all the Storm wins hands down for me ! Not too heavy can be got in and out of my van easily, very easy to work on exellent build quality and a well proven machine and also I have three mates with them that swears by them! What more can I say, I still like the Evolution but its very heavy and its a pity they are putting the smaller motors in them now
So I think the Storm ticks all the right boxes coupled with Matts legenary service, dont think I can go wrong

Stuart

[SimonW]

You're right on every point Stuart.  Choose Storm  buddy.  I just showed it for my mate who knows about cc nothing at all and he straight said that my previous machine looked very poorly compering to storm. I need to order 50ft hoses so will post soon my impressions at 75ft length:)

[stuart_clark]

Simon are you using 1.5" or 2"

[stuart_clark]

I remembef about four years ago, I popped over to see Mike roper in whitby to pick somthing up, he was on a job using his airflex turbo, and I thought my machine looked poope compared to his , no comparrison realy as you the Storm all the way, if it had inbuilt heaters it would be the ultimate portable ever built


stuart

[SimonW]

Simon are you using 1.5" or 2"

I've been told 1.5" and that's the one I have and will order the same mate

[stuart_clark]

Simon

you need 2"mate makes a hell oh a difference mate

[David Ware]

If you fit a portable HWE into your van and make it into aTM i.e. fixed into van would that invalidate your van insurance.  With experience when I said that I had fitted my T/M into van they classified it as a modification to the vehicle. I'am possibly looking at joining the portable club in the future.
David
ps lots of good and free advise from John Martin and Radek Jablonski

[Mike Halliday]

Are we not the same as a customer washing his car in the drive and letting the dirty water run into the roadside drain? apart from we do it as a commercial enterprise.

I use an auto pump out on every job so as I clean the dirty water is expelled under the vehicle , if I'm on a drive it runs into the lawn or flowerbeds, if I'm parked on the rd then it runs into a drain. Never had a problem in 15yrs of doing it this way.

[Lewis Newby]

Mike, thats how I see it too.
Coming from a mobile valeting background there were some water boards in the uk who enforced use of water reclamation mats etc but still not governed highly enough.
all chems were bio degradable and all the soiling came from the road, atmosphere or car itself and if it hadnt stuck to the car, would instead still be in the environment anyway.

[SimonW]

If you fit a portable HWE into your van and make it into aTM i.e. fixed into van would that invalidate your van insurance.  With experience when I said that I had fitted my T/M into van they classified it as a modification to the vehicle. I'am possibly looking at joining the portable club in the future.
David
ps lots of good and free advise from John Martin and Radek Jablonski

how come it invalidates van insurance if portable is "fitted" by ratchet straps and you can take it out of the van in few minutes....?

[Radek Jablonski]

the thing with tm is that they run off the fuel and that is the risk on the insurance
Most of the vans are having something fitted to the sides or floor.

[cleantech]

Steempro 2000. You can still get it up stairs if needs be. I do it all the time as I hate loosing power from long hose runs