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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Solar Steve on December 12, 2017, 08:45:43 pm
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Hi Everyone.
I haven't looked on here for some time, but feel I missed out when I read Lee Pryor's thread. Seems he got some flack for talking a bit about his figures and helping other people. What a ratbag eh?
But why not tell others how you're doing? I personally wouldn't do it, but I know others have in the past.
Lee, you and I have spoken business (not window cleaning necessarily, but business) on here before and I think there is mutual respect between us, so I think I might be able to ask a few questions:
1. Your figures look impressive and lots was said about your turnover, but no one questioned you on your bottom line. Net profit is king. With your turnover going through the roof, what's your monthly net profit?
2. You have set figures of £800k for next year. I think you are underselling yourself, genuinely. I think next year you should set sights on the big £1m. You can do it.
3. However, that would not be my tack. Why not try to keep your turnover the same, or let it grow organically without any effort from you and look to increase your net profit by 5%? That will give you a healthier business than increasing turnover.
4. Market yourself as a 'window cleaning mentor', which is what it sounds like you are. That's still a valuable title. If it's not 'training', it's more mentoring. I have been contacted by a 16 year old recently in order to become their mentor. I don't have time to do it, but it has opened my mind to other revenue streams..... ;)
5. Do you have a 5 year business plan?
6. Do you have an 'out'? What's your plan?
If anyone else wants to pick a question to answer for themselves, that would be interesting too. :)
I have my popcorn and 3D specs ready. 8)
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****Room Empties****
Solar Steve standing in corner by watercooler on his own.
Meanwhile, everyone that left the room has moved on.
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Hi Everyone.
I haven't looked on here for some time, but feel I missed out when I read Lee Pryor's thread. Seems he got some flack for talking a bit about his figures and helping other people. What a ratbag eh?
But why not tell others how you're doing? I personally wouldn't do it, but I know others have in the past.
Lee, you and I have spoken business (not window cleaning necessarily, but business) on here before and I think there is mutual respect between us, so I think I might be able to ask a few questions:
1. Your figures look impressive and lots was said about your turnover, but no one questioned you on your bottom line. Net profit is king. With your turnover going through the roof, what's your monthly net profit?
2. You have set figures of £800k for next year. I think you are underselling yourself, genuinely. I think next year you should set sights on the big £1m. You can do it.
3. However, that would not be my tack. Why not try to keep your turnover the same, or let it grow organically without any effort from you and look to increase your net profit by 5%? That will give you a healthier business than increasing turnover.
4. Market yourself as a 'window cleaning mentor', which is what it sounds like you are. That's still a valuable title. If it's not 'training', it's more mentoring. I have been contacted by a 16 year old recently in order to become their mentor. I don't have time to do it, but it has opened my mind to other revenue streams..... ;)
5. Do you have a 5 year business plan?
6. Do you have an 'out'? What's your plan?
If anyone else wants to pick a question to answer for themselves, that would be interesting too. :)
I have my popcorn and 3D specs ready. 8)
If I answer your questions they will just be shot to bits by everyone else. I really cant be bothered on here anymore which is a shame as I did run through the answers in my mind. Nobody cares about these answers as they wont apply to most here. After I locked my thread I decided to not be involved on this forum anymore. I am happy to read it as there are sometimes things that interest me but I wont be getting involved anymore as anything I say seems to get the same mindless response. I only wrote this as you were directly speaking to me and I dont like to ignor people. So this might actually be last post after nearly 10 years here.
Sorry.
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Lee.
If you believe in yourself, and believe in what your doing what other people think shouldn't come into play.
In your post you sound "down", you should be flying high!
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I've not got a problem with any of the above type of threads ie the gocardless thread or ss's business talk or Marc Stocks funny room empties response :). If you make money or make mistakes then you will get some pelters but you have to take it with a pinch of salt or take it on the chin!
It's good to see people doing good but a wee bit of banter in the posts isn't bad either.
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I would rather hang around positive, motivated people then negative, people who only criticise everything and blame everyone for their bad luck. Life can be lousy or it can be good, just depends on your outlook and mentality. I try not to let things get the better of me and stick two fingers up to negative people, boring buggers. Lee don't let them wear you down and beat you, just crack on doing what you're doing and grow a tough skin to put up with the negative criticism, turn it around and use it for inspiration.
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;D
You need humour.
In all seriousness I do feel for Lee. I for one have said, and will continue to say that..its always the one you know? You get dealt a bum hand but your keeping red...it could be green anytime but like a champ you refuse to go home and sacrifice the waffles..
I have no idea what the hell im saying.
Lee.. You gotta.... you know...boom and all.
Your the man
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Mod edit: Please be aware of what you are posting and how this might make others feel, we are all in this together.
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I actually would be interested in lee's answers, but I would be Interested in anyone's answers as I like that kind of chat over how many jets a brush has.
But I think lee needs to be a bit more grown up than throwing the teddy out because someone didn't like what he wrote. Who gives a monkeys, when you put yourself out there you will get shot down but if what you have to say benefits some people then that's all that matters. Can't please everyone.
I wish there was more business talk on here.
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I would rather hang around positive, motivated people then negative, people who only criticise everything and blame everyone for their bad luck. Life can be lousy or it can be good, just depends on your outlook and mentality. I try not to let things get the better of me and stick two fingers up to negative people, boring buggers. Lee don't let them wear you down and beat you, just crack on doing what you're doing and grow a tough skin to put up with the negative criticism, turn it around and use it for inspiration.
Are you for real ? Lee couldn't give a toss what you I or anybody else on here thinks of him, your either an idiot who looks up to
him or an idiot that's jealous of him.
Why do you think he started that nonsense thread about the on demand zero running costs immersion ?
If somebody disagrees with you its not negative criticism its just somebody not agreeing with you, either take it on board or dismiss it but don't whinge about it like a spoilt child.
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Unfortunately, if you don't lick Lee's rectum and constantly shower him in compliments he cries like a baby and plays the "victim" card..... a bit like one of those cringe worthy Facebook friends that constantly fish for compliments and seek attention. My advice to Mr Holywood wood be to grow up and man up! ::)roll
And there you have it. This is exactly what I mean, there is just no need for it. I am one of those people in life that just prefers to be nice to people.
I dont need to play a victim card, I just think its a shame that people like you have to be that way. Why not either stay off the thread or be a positive person............ I will never understand your kind of mentality. My heart just sinks every time I see your name or others that have comented on something im involved in, and thats why I am removing myself from the negative energy here. As for thick skin, well they dont come much thicker that mine, thats how I am able to do the things most cant. I dont cry like a baby i just dont get the need to bring others down.
Anyway, thats enough said. I dont need to be drawn in by you or anyone else. Thanks for making my point clear to all.
Im done
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Unfortunately, if you don't lick Lee's rectum and constantly shower him in compliments he cries like a baby and plays the "victim" card..... a bit like one of those cringe worthy Facebook friends that constantly fish for compliments and seek attention. My advice to Mr Holywood wood be to grow up and man up! ::)roll
And there you have it. This is exactly what I mean, there is just no need for it. I am one of those people in life that just prefers to be nice to people.
I dont need to play a victim card, I just think its a shame that people like you have to be that way. Why not either stay off the thread or be a positive person............ I will never understand your kind of mentality. My heart just sinks every time I see your name or others that have comented on something im involved in, and thats why I am removing myself from the negative energy here. As for thick skin, well they dont come much thicker that mine, thats how I am able to do the things most cant. I dont cry like a baby i just dont get the need to bring others down.
Anyway, thats enough said. I dont need to be drawn in by you or anyone else. Thanks for making my point clear to all.
Im done
Mod edit: Please be aware of what you are posting and how this might make others feel, we are all in this together. You like to be nice to people? Ha, pull the other one... as soon as you get the slightest bit of criticism you are just as bad as anyone else on here! I am actually beggining to question the credibility of anything you post now.
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I would rather hang around positive, motivated people then negative, people who only criticise everything and blame everyone for their bad luck. Life can be lousy or it can be good, just depends on your outlook and mentality. I try not to let things get the better of me and stick two fingers up to negative people, boring buggers. Lee don't let them wear you down and beat you, just crack on doing what you're doing and grow a tough skin to put up with the negative criticism, turn it around and use it for inspiration.
Are you for real ? Lee couldn't give a toss what you I or anybody else on here thinks of him, your either an idiot who looks up to
him or an idiot that's jealous of him.
Why do you think he started that nonsense thread about the on demand zero running costs immersion ?
If somebody disagrees with you its not negative criticism its just somebody not agreeing with you, either take it on board or dismiss it but don't whinge about it like a spoilt child.
Just to put the record straight I don't look up to Lee and I'm certainly not jealous of him or anybody else for that matter. I don't need to prove anything to anyone or kiss anyone's backside. I'm my own boss, my mortgae is paid, I'm debt free and don't worry about much nowadays other than my health. You got nothing better to do than pick fault with us then you can go and admire yourself in the mirror and justify your self ego as well ;D
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This one’s only going one way. It has the feel of someone being on a windup, Get you boys going.
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Unfortunately, if you don't lick Lee's rectum and constantly shower him in compliments he cries like a baby and plays the "victim" card..... a bit like one of those cringe worthy Facebook friends that constantly fish for compliments and seek attention. My advice to Mr Holywood wood be to grow up and man up! ::)roll
And there you have it. This is exactly what I mean, there is just no need for it. I am one of those people in life that just prefers to be nice to people.
I dont need to play a victim card, I just think its a shame that people like you have to be that way. Why not either stay off the thread or be a positive person............ I will never understand your kind of mentality. My heart just sinks every time I see your name or others that have comented on something im involved in, and thats why I am removing myself from the negative energy here. As for thick skin, well they dont come much thicker that mine, thats how I am able to do the things most cant. I dont cry like a baby i just dont get the need to bring others down.
Anyway, thats enough said. I dont need to be drawn in by you or anyone else. Thanks for making my point clear to all.
Im done
Lee " Your My Hero"
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This one’s only going one way. It has the feel of someone being on a windup, Get you boys going.
I love it here! ; >: ;D
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Unfortunately, if you don't lick Lee's rectum and constantly shower him in compliments he cries like a baby and plays the "victim" card..... a bit like one of those cringe worthy Facebook friends that constantly fish for compliments and seek attention. My advice to Mr Holywood wood be to grow up and man up! ::)roll
And there you have it. This is exactly what I mean, there is just no need for it. I am one of those people in life that just prefers to be nice to people.
I dont need to play a victim card, I just think its a shame that people like you have to be that way. Why not either stay off the thread or be a positive person............ I will never understand your kind of mentality. My heart just sinks every time I see your name or others that have comented on something im involved in, and thats why I am removing myself from the negative energy here. As for thick skin, well they dont come much thicker that mine, thats how I am able to do the things most cant. I dont cry like a baby i just dont get the need to bring others down.
Anyway, thats enough said. I dont need to be drawn in by you or anyone else. Thanks for making my point clear to all.
Im done
Lee " Your My Hero"
Free " Lord Pryor" The Conceited Window Cleaning Guru!
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I would rather hang around positive, motivated people then negative, people who only criticise everything and blame everyone for their bad luck. Life can be lousy or it can be good, just depends on your outlook and mentality. I try not to let things get the better of me and stick two fingers up to negative people, boring buggers. Lee don't let them wear you down and beat you, just crack on doing what you're doing and grow a tough skin to put up with the negative criticism, turn it around and use it for inspiration.
Are you for real ? Lee couldn't give a toss what you I or anybody else on here thinks of him, your either an idiot who looks up to
him or an idiot that's jealous of him.
Why do you think he started that nonsense thread about the on demand zero running costs immersion ?
If somebody disagrees with you its not negative criticism its just somebody not agreeing with you, either take it on board or dismiss it but don't whinge about it like a spoilt child.
Just to put the record straight I don't look up to Lee and I'm certainly not jealous of him or anybody else for that matter. I don't need to prove anything to anyone or kiss anyone's backside. I'm my own boss, my mortgae is paid, I'm debt free and don't worry about much nowadays other than my health. You got nothing better to do than pick fault with us then you can go and admire yourself in the mirror and justify your self ego as well ;D
I was saying what Lee thinks of us not what you think of Lee plus I didn't say he was right to think it, basically what I was saying
is your words no matter how well meaning would just be smugly laughed at.
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I think most are not realising that with a large window cleaning round how much it would be to sell it all, most ask 10x per month for it, IMO Lee Pryor is a millionaire in assets with his large window cleaning business if he was to walk away and sell it all tomorrow.
you dont need to make much net profit when your growing, the profit to be made is when the expansion stops and just enough leaflets go out to replace the cancellations, with 10x vans and 60K+ per month the figures are much more than any window cleaner sole trader will make,
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It would appear that Moderators have decided to allow personal insults to be the order of the day, such a shame.
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I think most are not realising that with a large window cleaning round how much it would be to sell it all, most ask 10x per month for it, IMO Lee Pryor is a millionaire in assets with his large window cleaning business if he was to walk away and sell it all tomorrow.
Well I wouldn't agree he's a millionaire in assets.
A millionaire "on paper" maybe?
And in my opinion a window cleaning business that large would not be an easy sell and would take a long time to find a serious buyer.
But I wouldn't imagine Lee is looking to sell his business in the near future anyway.
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I think most are not realising that with a large window cleaning round how much it would be to sell it all, most ask 10x per month for it, IMO Lee Pryor is a millionaire in assets with his large window cleaning business if he was to walk away and sell it all tomorrow.
you dont need to make much net profit when your growing, the profit to be made is when the expansion stops and just enough leaflets go out to replace the cancellations, with 10x vans and 60K+ per month the figures are much more than any window cleaner sole trader will make,
As a business it would be worth far less than you think- particularly at such a early stage in it's operation. It is currently untested in it's stabilty and longevity- the web is also full of very poor reviews. I don't think anyone has an issue with his business, good luck to the guy- he's got balls and determination for sure. However, this does all appear to have gone to his head and that is what is dissapointing- NOT his business.
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I think most are not realising that with a large window cleaning round how much it would be to sell it all, most ask 10x per month for it, IMO Lee Pryor is a millionaire in assets with his large window cleaning business if he was to walk away and sell it all tomorrow.
you dont need to make much net profit when your growing, the profit to be made is when the expansion stops and just enough leaflets go out to replace the cancellations, with 10x vans and 60K+ per month the figures are much more than any window cleaner sole trader will make,
Vans don't make you money employees do, even if they're each doing £40k a year that's still only £400k before everything comes out, therefore I suspect he's talking about two men per van, 20 guys on the tools plus a manager and other staff plus expenses all for £60k a month.
Sounds good to us plebs on the tools but you certainly wouldn't get a dragon saying I'm in.
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Hi Everyone.
I haven't looked on here for some time, but feel I missed out when I read Lee Pryor's thread. Seems he got some flack for talking a bit about his figures and helping other people. What a ratbag eh?
But why not tell others how you're doing? I personally wouldn't do it, but I know others have in the past.
Lee, you and I have spoken business (not window cleaning necessarily, but business) on here before and I think there is mutual respect between us, so I think I might be able to ask a few questions:
1. Your figures look impressive and lots was said about your turnover, but no one questioned you on your bottom line. Net profit is king. With your turnover going through the roof, what's your monthly net profit?
2. You have set figures of £800k for next year. I think you are underselling yourself, genuinely. I think next year you should set sights on the big £1m. You can do it.
3. However, that would not be my tack. Why not try to keep your turnover the same, or let it grow organically without any effort from you and look to increase your net profit by 5%? That will give you a healthier business than increasing turnover.
4. Market yourself as a 'window cleaning mentor', which is what it sounds like you are. That's still a valuable title. If it's not 'training', it's more mentoring. I have been contacted by a 16 year old recently in order to become their mentor. I don't have time to do it, but it has opened my mind to other revenue streams..... ;)
5. Do you have a 5 year business plan?
6. Do you have an 'out'? What's your plan?
If anyone else wants to pick a question to answer for themselves, that would be interesting too. :)
I have my popcorn and 3D specs ready. 8)
I'll have a go, Steve ...
1. "Net profit is king." This. Agree wholeheartedly. In a previous life (1990's) I used to discuss this with two fellow shareholders and say I'd rather someone would put 20K in our hands every month to run the business than we have to sift for the profit from 50K turnover. (Simplistic I know - but that was the principle)
2. and 3. You contradict yourself really. I tend towards the latter like you seem to.
4. Shame you can't make time ... think of the difference you could make for them and how it would make you feel about yourself. If it really worked you could draw them into the business and have a loyal assistant. I wish I had the gifts/skills that a teenager could usefully use. I haven't.
5. Mine is a bit hazy. I should be more focussed. This is a very good point you make.
6. Other than death? Ill health? ;D Well yes. Wind down and go part time, maybe employ one other to assist me. Transfer more assets to property. Use modest private pension and state pension.
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It would appear that Moderators have decided to allow personal insults to be the order of the day, such a shame.
LOL.
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It would appear that Moderators have decided to allow personal insults to be the order of the day, such a shame.
Perhaps you'd like to report a specific? That way the mods don't have to trawl their way through looking.
Thanks.
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