brett walker

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Re: Why?
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2007, 08:31:00 pm »
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i have 5 kids and 1 due next week

Brett i think you need more work as it seems you have to much time on your hands.  ;D

Paul

hi paul

 ;D ;D ;D

brett

steve k

Re: Why?
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2007, 08:35:17 pm »
nothing wrong with that van Brett.

Paul Coleman

Re: Why?
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2007, 08:41:34 pm »
Image the chap with the brand new shinny van thats got top of the range wfp'ing verses the chap with the ford orion does by no means mean the shinny van man is going to do a better job than the orion man, just like the backpack verses the top of the range wfp kit as long as your water is pure your technique is right your customer is happy.

Ive known window cleaners been going 20yrs and window cleaners that are just starting up all that can be said is do a professional job and you will always have a business.
Yes for some people and customers image does pay a big part

Personally i would love a big shinny new van and top of the range kit but cant afford one as i have 5 kids and 1 due next week  ;) so i'll stick with my little yellow van ;D 
Family comes first before new toys

Brett

New van?  Sounds like you would be better off with a minibus Brett  :)

Re: Why?
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2007, 09:01:52 pm »
The clearly displayed name is a trading standards issue, and has nothing to do with the police and is a civil law that is very infreqeuntly enforced. They can make you display your name, but i'm not even sure there is a penalty for not doing so.

The original post was spot on. davew being grouchy notwithstanding( he told me to join the gypsies), but he does have a point.
All the WC i see, apart from some notable successes in sign written vans, and some respectable roof racked estate cars are herberts. I don't mean they don't do a good job, or are not insured, i mean they look like they earn minimum wage and have done so for many years.

Macmac you criticise braggarts on here,and then casualy mention you work part time for a full time wage.

Stevek you have an unusually decisive nature, possibly due to the forces, I envy that, I spend half my life humming and arring.The only times in my life i have got my a*** into gear have not been through my choice.(wife left me, made redundant etc).I thought my life was over at thirty five, in fact it hadn't even started.

Even so like most people I still find a new comfort zone, and once I'm in it I want to stay there.

Davew

Re: Why?
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2007, 09:30:14 pm »
Join the Gypsies? Ah I remember - it was in jest something to do with one of Lukes hilarious thread hijacks. :)

macmac

Re: Why?
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2007, 09:39:24 pm »
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Macmac you criticise braggarts on here,and then casualy mention you work part time for a full time wage.
   

Read the whole post numpty ::)

tony

Re: Why?
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2007, 10:06:59 pm »
Cheer up ;D ;D

I'm the one with the top of the range sign written van, top notch system, and no work. IF I could just remember the 'deleted' who told me to buy it?

brett walker

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Re: Why?
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2007, 12:43:04 am »
nothing wrong with that van Brett.

 cheers steve  8)
 
 shiner minibus  ;D

regards

brett
 


Ian_Giles

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Re: Why?
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2007, 01:39:55 pm »
Tony is of course quite correct, WFP won't make the money for you, as he says, it is the individual that uses the equipment he has that makes the money.

If you have an established round, and you have built it up as a trad round, then converting to WFP will mean you have the potential to fully maximize the earnings your round can generate.
And it will take less physical effort and of course be so much safer too.

I've been a window cleaner for almost 24 years...or is it 25?? and for all bar the last 20 months I've mostly worked out of a car and I've always done a professional job, your vehicle, your signage, your uniform all make no difference to the job you do...only the image.

But having that image does bring you work, and it also means that customers are more prepared to pay you a premium price, your image tells them that you are professional in your attitude and you are serious about your job.

My van signage cost me £250 to get done and it's paid for itself over and over now.
Last week, purely as a result of the signage I got to price up a £250 job and a £350 job...both on the same day I might add, and I got the pair of them too ;)


It is also wrong to compare the income of say a Doctor (as in the earlier reply) and the turnover of a window cleaner.

We have proper working overheads, and we might also have finance deals on our personal income as well as business costs.

A vehicle for instance is a business cost, for a Doctor he could have a 50cc moped if he wanted too, but as a window cleaner, to do your job YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VEHICLE. Without one you don't have a job.

And it isn't just the running costs of that vehicle either, every few years you have to replace it.
Some old banger of a van may last you a while, or like Squeaky it might only last you a week or two.
So even a trad window cleaner should be costing in the purchase of his vehicle into his pricing.
It's ok being part of the beer and fags brigade, if you are content to tick along on a very basic income then good for you.

But if you want those top incomes, put things in place that can help you achieve those ambitions.
It won't happen overnight, you won't suddenly start earning 30 or 40k per year straight away. it will take years not months to get your business up to those levels...

All the talk of big bucks incomes in window cleaner might entice some to think its easy money, but for most people it takes many years to build up a full and prosperous round, so those that think they are going to sweep in and make a killing don't bother me...won't happen...

Ian
Ian. ISM CLEANING SERVICES

steve k

Re: Why?
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2007, 04:39:31 pm »
I know of no doctor driving around in any sub £30k motor and I would bet you my last dollar they are claiming its purchase and running costs as a business expenditure.

dai

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Re: Why?
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2007, 09:10:09 pm »
I use a battered old K reg escort van. It cost me £300 2 years ago. The way water keeps getting spilled, it wont last much longer. But hey, it does the job. I don't want any more work, already 20% over capacity. I'm due my pension in September, so a shiny new van? I don't think so. If I was a young guy starting out Maybe.
The point is we all have different circumstances and personalities. If you have what it takes, you will be successful no matter what vehicle or methods you use.
Oh I also have a tidy car. Dai

Highrise

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Re: Why?
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2007, 10:26:35 am »
I won't clean 'windows' unless the frame is also clean - I think it reflects badly on the window cleaner.

Mike
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Ditto.
When your windows are clear, My conscience is clear...

steve k

Re: Why?
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2007, 12:57:34 pm »
if your customer tells you that then maybe...but if your customer is happy then no problem

xxmattyxx

Re: Why?
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2007, 01:16:31 pm »
I won't clean 'windows' unless the glass clean - I think it reflects badly on the window cleaner.

 ;D  ;D