[smearo]

hi guys
coming home this evening and my van just died in 5th gear
so pulled over to side of road and engine was turning but not firing!!!!
has this happened to anyone else or has anyone got any advice as
to what could be the problem ?
thanks wayne

[Wc Solutions]

hi guys
coming home this evening and my van just died in 5th gear
so pulled over to side of road and engine was turning but not firing!!!!
has this happened to anyone else or has anyone got any advice as
to what could be the problem ?
thanks wayne

try supporting a good football team! 

that doesnt sound good tho mate -hope all goes well at the garage and not too pricey

[smearo]

ha ha steady
its only done 68;000miles
but ive been told worst case scenario cam belt

[Wc Solutions]

ha ha steady
its only done 68;000miles
but ive been told worst case scenario cam belt

it may have just slipt?

had that happen on one of the partner vans few years back

[smearo]

well lets hope so pal
will find out tommorrow its a right ball ache
thou with van off road :

[Neil Williams]

hi guys
coming home this evening and my van just died in 5th gear
so pulled over to side of road and engine was turning but not firing!!!!
has this happened to anyone else or has anyone got any advice as
to what could be the problem ?
thanks wayne

We used to have the Expert van which is basically the same and had a similar problem.
It turned out to be the anti theft device which is on the fuel infection pump, so it wasn't allowing fuel through. I had a choice to either have the F.I.P taken off and repaired (lots of dosh) or angle grind the top of this valve off and de-activate it, this of course meant the anti theft device no longer worked but cheaper option.
not saying that's what it is but could be an option to consider.

[smearo]

cheers neil

[bumper]

if you van has a fuel infection pump i think a course of Antibiotics

[smearo]

in garage now cam belt gone....
best case scenario £1200
worst case £1800
happy xmas guys lol

[AS Window Cleaning]

guessing at that sort of mileage had never been changed? bummer. my Mitsubishi outlander needs doing every 150,000!

its mileage and age based. our caddy van didn't need doing for another 30,000 but was changed as it was 5 years old. costly expense when it does go

[smearo]

quite agree will be a priorty now every 60:000 on van and the car as well...
this has def been a lesson learnt...

[Spruce]

As far as I know the Hdi and the 1.9 are both 'Interference' engines - especially with the high compression ratio needed to run a diesel engine.

This means that there isn't sufficient clearance between the fully open valve and the top of the piston at TDC.
So a snapped cambelt is usually an expensive repair. Sometimes they just need new rocker arms and the valves are fine.

What I find of note is that you were just travelling along in 5th gear and the engine died. You made no mention of a big bang and clatter that went with it. Hence the reason why Neil suggested the anti theft device not allowing fuel through to the pump.

If I were you I would be down to that garage first thing in the morning and inspect the damage.

Citroen recommend a cambelt change every 80k or 5 years, but most in the trade now feel that 100k is ok. While you will get the problem ones, I wouldn't take it for granted that it was a cambelt issue IMHO.

We have an 03 plate Hdi Xsara 110 within 101k on the clock - cambelt not changed yet, car purchased with 69k on the clock four years ago. My son's 03 plate Xsara was replaced last year on 129k. The old belt and idler pulleys were fine - I inspected them. The idler bearings ran smoothly although they were worn.

Spruce

[dd]

I have a 2005 dispatch 2.0hdi and the Citroen service manual states the cambelt should be changed every 100,000miles or ten years, whichever is soonest.

I have a feeling the recommendation for the 1.9d is slightly less.

[smearo]

@spruce
there was no bang at all like i said it just died
however i had a mate come round and took cover of and confirmed
belt....

[perfectpanesplymouth]

As far as I know the Hdi and the 1.9 are both 'Interference' engines - especially with the high compression ratio needed to run a diesel engine.

This means that there isn't sufficient clearance between the fully open valve and the top of the piston at TDC.
So a snapped cambelt is usually an expensive repair. Sometimes they just need new rocker arms and the valves are fine.

What I find of note is that you were just travelling along in 5th gear and the engine died. You made no mention of a big bang and clatter that went with it. Hence the reason why Neil suggested the anti theft device not allowing fuel through to the pump.

If I were you I would be down to that garage first thing in the morning and inspect the damage.

Citroen recommend a cambelt change every 80k or 5 years, but most in the trade now feel that 100k is ok. While you will get the problem ones, I wouldn't take it for granted that it was a cambelt issue IMHO.

We have an 03 plate Hdi Xsara 110 within 101k on the clock - cambelt not changed yet, car purchased with 69k on the clock four years ago. My son's 03 plate Xsara was replaced last year on 129k. The old belt and idler pulleys were fine - I inspected them. The idler bearings ran smoothly although they were worn.

Spruce

I would love to know how you can see on visual inspection a cam belt is fine. I would never trust one past what manufacturers recommend as it's too costly a mistake to make! I was a vehicle technician for 17 years and would never trust one! Any vehicle I buy gets one as a matter of course now no matter what the mileage or when the previous owner states it was done! And I change them yearly after that no matter what, ok I have an advantage that I can do it myself but even paying a garage £150 or whatever they charge is an expense I wouldn't moan at!
All I can say is madness to go over recommended intervals!

[mark dew]

I had a new clutch fitted 2 weeks ago on mine. Don't know how much but he said it will be around 350 mark. I'll get billed in about 6 months time.
I paid £520 3 weeks ago for work they did in june.
Was working saturday and lost alot of power, though it still went. Am getting another 1 at auction (hopefully) the end of the week.

It's an 02 reg dispatch. I've had it since october 06. The last 2 years more and more things went wrong. Get sorted. Something else happens.
A lovely van (even though it's slow), but will probably scrap it when i've got another.
Good luck with your van. With mot and everything i spent about £500 a year on mine. Until this last year.

[SPE]

@spruce
there was no bang at all like i said it just died
however i had a mate come round and took cover of and confirmed
belt....

sorry to hear your woes,
had exactly the same thing happen to me with my expert hdi
an aa guy came out and thought the same that it may be the anti theft device, alas it was'nt.
The belt had'nt snapped but slipped enough to cause costly damage"the best case scenario" £1200  could have been a helluva lot worse or even a new engine.
Its a gutting feeling though, just when you think your winning and your getting some money put away, then something like this happens 

[lozsing]

i had same thing happen to my astra van.,water pump bearing collapsed, threw slack onto cam belt and knackered engine.

[bobby p]

always best to renew the idler bearing ,pulleys and even water pump at the same time as the belt ,IF you plan on keeping it.  in my experience you only need to do it once and then just check the tension of the belt for a year after then thats it

[smearo]

update today from garage
no bent valves or piston damage but cam or crank shaft
was in bits and head has been sent of for checking...
while its nice being at home doing nothing in the back of my head
i know winter is on its way and they will be plenty of time for
jeremy kyle and homes under the hammer : :

[SPE]

update today from garage
no bent valves or piston damage but cam or crank shaft
was in bits and head has been sent of for checking...
while its nice being at home doing nothing in the back of my head
i know winter is on its way and they will be plenty of time for
jeremy kyle and homes under the hammer : :

hope its sorted for you soon and money back in the bank 

[Spruce]

update today from garage
no bent valves or piston damage but cam or crank shaft
was in bits and head has been sent of for checking...
while its nice being at home doing nothing in the back of my head
i know winter is on its way and they will be plenty of time for
jeremy kyle and homes under the hammer : :

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about the woes, but I still find it difficult to comprehend that there was no sound to this destruction. It must be that the engine bay is so well padded that the sound proofing is effective.

[lee09]

update today from garage
no bent valves or piston damage but cam or crank shaft
was in bits and head has been sent of for checking...
while its nice being at home doing nothing in the back of my head
i know winter is on its way and they will be plenty of time for
jeremy kyle and homes under the hammer : :

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about the woes, but I still find it difficult to comprehend that there was no sound to this destruction. It must be that the engine bay is so well padded that the sound proofing is effective.

Or loud radio 

[SPE]

update today from garage
no bent valves or piston damage but cam or crank shaft
was in bits and head has been sent of for checking...
while its nice being at home doing nothing in the back of my head
i know winter is on its way and they will be plenty of time for
jeremy kyle and homes under the hammer : :

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear about the woes, but I still find it difficult to comprehend that there was no sound to this destruction. It must be that the engine bay is so well padded that the sound proofing is effective.

I was suprised too when it happened to me, no sound whatsoever !

[AS Window Cleaning]

does sound very strange.  Your garage trustworthy?

Do you not have a contingency plan for the van being off the road if its going to be for more than a day or so?  If happens to me the roof racks are coming back out onto the car and back to the ladders for some hard graft!  Get those knees creaking!!

Hope not too much longer mate til your earning again,.

[Tom White]

Getting your cambelt changed at the right time is basic stuff!  Even if you buy a 2nd hand van, if there's no paperwork confirming the cambelt change, you should get it changed anyway; even if the seller says it has been changed.

I think mine cost £150 for a new cambelt; which is much better than £1000+.

C'mon, smear; you should know better!

Very disappointed in you! 

[dd]

I think cambelts are supposed to last more than 68k on the dispatch Tosh. On my hdi model it is 100k or 10 years.

[AS Window Cleaning]

on one of my old Peugeots it was 45k. don't forget there's also a time limit on them, as well as mileage.