[john martin]

 but i have to do a subway restaurant as part of a carpet job ...

 Its mainly the black dirt in the grey grout lines ..
 what would be  good and quick to break down the grout dirt ... i poked it with a
 blade its rock hard .
 I can get speed stripper ? would that dissolve the black quickly ? 
 I would have a multiwash  , a lowspeed rotary with pads ,  a bristly hard floor wand ( never tried it )  . Should i try and make a long handle grout brush or would a deck scrub do , dont think i have time to pick up a proper grout brush , also not sure if the black brushes on the multiwash are aggressive enough but perhaps when its dissolved it will .
Would u put a finish on these tiles ... i have not being asked to .

[Tadgh O Shea]

 but i have to do a subway restaurant as part of a carpet job ...

 Its mainly the black dirt in the grey grout lines ..
 what would be  good and quick to break down the grout dirt ... i poked it with a
 blade its rock hard .
 I can get speed stripper ? would that dissolve the black quickly ? 
 I would have a multiwash  , a lowspeed rotary with pads ,  a bristly hard floor wand ( never tried it )  . Should i try and make a long handle grout brush or would a deck scrub do , dont think i have time to pick up a proper grout brush , also not sure if the black brushes on the multiwash are aggressive enough but perhaps when its dissolved it will .
Would u put a finish on these tiles ... i have not being asked to .

Hi John, Subway restaurants  are under contract to only use specific chemicals in their stores, they mop their floors on a daily basis with kentucky mops and high alkaline based chemicals which cause the problems. we supply many Subway shops in Ireland with a deep cleaning system to undo the problems you are dealing with, our deep cleaning concept will bring the floor back like new and you wont need any machines other than a wet pick up vac to carry out the job, if you are interested you can send me an email    info@jskcleaning.ie or call me at   00353 87 9406650    i can give you plenty of phone numbers for Subway owners if you want to talk to them first as they swear by our deep cleaning concept, but they keep it hidden for obvious reasons.   Regards Tadgh

[john martin]

Tadgh  , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is a new cleaning concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk  ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible .  

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh  , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning  a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk  ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . 

Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden.    Regards Tadgh

[SteveAllan]

Tadgh, can you email me some details of your deep cleaning concept please - steveallan2@hotmail.com.

Ta.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh, can you email me some details of your deep cleaning concept please - steveallan2@hotmail.com.

Ta.

Hi Steve, will get the info sent from the office in the morning.
Thank you for your interest Steve.

Kind regards

Tadgh

[john martin]

Tadgh  , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning  a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk  ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . 

Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden.    Regards Tadgh

Tadgh , that explains why the restaurant staff keep your concept hidden ...   but not why you cant go into detail here .
Just explain the process , the products used and the equipment involved so we can compare the benefits to what else is out there .   
Talking about hidden processes etc just makes u sound like a snake oil salesman .

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh  , i dont really have time this time to look into many options as its tomorrow but thanks for the offer , perhaps sometime il look into what you offer .
What you are saying is that the subway daily moping routine is merely pushing the dirt into the grout lines where it builds up ?
If someone tells me there is new cleaning  a concept ... but they dont go into detail i get suspicious as there is so much BS in cleaning industry .
Perhaps your concept maintains the floor better and prevents the issues they have but i will initially have to remove the gunk  ... and i'd like to do it as quickly and with the least back effort as possible . 

Hi John, i totally agree with you about all the BS in the cleaning industry, thats why i recommended to give you some phone numbers for Subway owners that we deal with, as they would tell you first hand the problems they encounter with the mops and chemicals they have to use to stay compliant with head office decisions, if they are found to be using other companies products they can receive severe penalties, thats why i say for obvious reasons they have to keep our deep cleaning concept hidden.    Regards Tadgh

Tadgh , that explains why the restaurant staff keep your concept hidden ...   but not why you cant go into detail here .
Just explain the process , the products used and the equipment involved so we can compare the benefits to what else is out there .   
Talking about hidden processes etc just makes u sound like a snake oil salesman .

Hi John, i have talked many times on here about our deep cleaning concept and shared videos if you want to take the time to look over some of my older posts, or if you want you can email info@jskcleaning.ie and i will be happy to forward you on information.  Regards Tadgh

[john martin]

I had a quick flick through your posts and i cant find any hard info  ... why not just tell me in three lines what you would use for my situation and the composition of the product and post the msds sheet ( i have a science diploma i can handle it )  

I can only see three videos on your youtube page and none are relevant  ...
The impression i get is you are buying in colloidal concentrate and branding it under various names and using various concentraions for different applications , perhaps there is another version with abrasive substances added or something to vary the consistency etc .

The reason im not fond of your type of sales strategy is that iv seen it before in the carpet section  ... differentiate your product from others by talking it up and discrediting existing products by calling them old technology etc   we have seen this with ' Microsplitters '  a new concept of cleaning product claiming to be based on advanced technology  ...  but if fact turned out to be a scoop of common phosphate in a can of water .   Another example is Ed Valantine talking up his extractors ... they were advanced and offered higher performance because they have ' thru flo systems '  etc  ...  turns out that was just a bit of pipe  from his local hardware store and the build was crap .

[Tadgh O Shea]

I had a quick flick through your posts and i cant find any hard info  ... why not just tell me in three lines what you would use for my situation and the composition of the product and post the msds sheet ( i have a science diploma i can handle it )  

I can only see three videos on your youtube page and none are relevant  ...
The impression i get is you are buying in colloidal concentrate and branding it under various names and using various concentraions for different applications , perhaps there is another version with abrasive substances added or something to vary the consistency etc .

The reason im not fond of your type of sales strategy is that iv seen it before in the carpet section  ... differentiate your product from others by talking it up and discrediting existing products by calling them old technology etc   we have seen this with ' Microsplitters '  a new concept of cleaning product claiming to be based on advanced technology  ...  but if fact turned out to be a scoop of common phosphate in a can of water .   Another example is Ed Valantine talking up his extractors ... they were advanced and offered higher performance because they have ' thru flo systems '  etc  ...  turns out that was just a bit of pipe  from his local hardware store and the build was crap .

Hi John, if you go back to youtube and type in Jsk cleaning, you will see a video on deep cleaning ceramic tiles, this video will show you the perfect solution to the problems which occur in Subway stores all over the world because they all use cotton string mops and aggressive  cleaning chemicals which is why your customer is looking to have their floor deep cleaned.
Just to let you know John if you think Microsplitters are a new concept in cleaning we were using them over 15 years ago and yes now i would class them as old school technology.

[john martin]

I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ?  link ?

I know the history of ' Microsplitters '   involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .

[Tadgh O Shea]

I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ?  link ?

I know the history of ' Microsplitters '   involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .

Hi John, go to youtube  type in jsk cleaning, on the first page of videos you will see cleaning ceramic tiles this video will give you a solution if its of interest to you.    Regards Tadgh

[john martin]

This is the results page Tadgh ?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jsk+cleaning

[Tadgh O Shea]

I typed in jsk cleaning and the tile one does not come up for me ?  link ?

I know the history of ' Microsplitters '   involves a bankrupt American and few UK guys scrambling over each other to make a quick buck .

Hi John, sorry i should of said when you go into youtube type in jskcleaning all one word this will bring you to all our videos and you will see on the first page, cleaning ceramic tiles, this video shows how to deep clean grout lines and tile surfaces.   Regards Tadgh

[john martin]

Nice videos Tadgh ...  but your groutl ooks  positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .

I will be going with speed stripper  ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it .  

[Tadgh O Shea]

Nice videos Tadgh ...  but your grout positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .

I will be going with speed stripper  ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it . 

Thanks John, you might laugh at this but if the soils are that ingrained into the grout lines here is an idea that we have often resorted to, take a dessert spoon and tie it or strap it onto the end of a wooden brush handle use the shaft of the spoon to scrape along the grout lines and the compacted soils will peel away from the pressure of the spoon handle getting in under them, this method will remove most of the compacted soils and as the handle is blunt it will not scratch the grout lines, you can then finish cleaning the grout lines with your cleaning solution, multiwash, and heat. hope that this can be of benefit and save you time.   Regards Tadgh

[john martin]

Nice videos Tadgh ...  but your grout positively clean compared to the deep tar muck im facing .

I will be going with speed stripper  ... mechanical agitation ... heat ... and what ever else i can throw at it . 

Thanks John, you might laugh at this but if the soils are that ingrained into the grout lines here is an idea that we have often resorted to, take a dessert spoon and tie it or strap it onto the end of a wooden brush handle use the shaft of the spoon to scrape along the grout lines and the compacted soils will peel away from the pressure of the spoon handle getting in under them, this method will remove most of the compacted soils and as the handle is blunt it will not scratch the grout lines, you can then finish cleaning the grout lines with your cleaning solution, multiwash, and heat. hope that this can be of benefit and save you time.   Regards Tadgh

Hopefully it wont come to that but   , I like that tip Tadgh  , thanks !

[Kev Martin]

Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.

My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.

Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[john martin]

Tadgh is correct. The problem is simply emulsified dirt in the grout joints and some dirt on the tiles.

My method although Tadgh disagrees is simple and it works. It will cost you less than £10 in mats provided you have a Mono Rotary, a soft to med brush and a decent wet vac. You don't need speed strip.

Pre wet the floor.
Apply Heavy Duty Tile and Grout Cleaner diluted 3:1
Allow to dwell then agitate with Mono rotary machine fitted with soft to medium brush and allow to dwell again
Agitate again
Extract with wet vac
rinse thoroughly
Extract again
Seal grout and go home

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

Thanks for that , i sure it will be fine . Not doing it til wed now so i can pick up a grout brush a few bits . I have no brush on my rotary which is something i need to get if i do more floors .

[Richard Cole]

John, i have had problems with grout lines in the past and other products have not touched it, i have used Heavy Duty Tile and Grout cleaner and pre-wetted floor as Kevin says and also used a little bit of honing powder for added deep clean of some particularly heavy dirt and they came up a treat.

If you do look to do more hard floors i would certainly recommend a course, i'm sure you already know that, i recently did Kevin's course in Birmingham and can recommend it.