[chris scott]

How do i remove "picture" framing The grouting has leeched out into the stone leaving a "water type" mark.

[Jamie Pearson]

Kevin may advise differently but I would say thats wrecked.

6 sided sealing should have been done before installation.

[Rob Hall]

 I agree with the above. I assume white adhesive was used?

[Kev Martin]

How do i remove "picture" framing The grouting has leeched out into the stone leaving a "water type" mark.

Get some stuff off your mate in his shed

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Chris

Joking aside there could be several ways this can be solved or as Jamie says it could be wrecked.

If you need some help and advice I will need the following info please

Stone Type
Size of Tiles or slabs
M2 involved
Close up Pics e mailed over with this info to me at tilinglogistics@hotmail.com

Don't know if it helps but I have to go to Colne in the morning to look at a job.  I aim to be there at 10am and I am using the M6.  If the job is anywhere near my route and your around I will call in and have a look at it

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

Kevin
I take back what i said about you......what a lovely man.
The stone is sandstone (grey bits) and quartz (black strips)
I have not measured the area but up to now there is approx 20sqm with more to be laid
The tiles are approx 18" square..
Staining is into the sandstone by approx 1/2"

Come to my caravan after you finish work ...i'll get my boyfriend to cook us a candle lit dinner for three

[Kev Martin]

Call me on my mobile if you want me to call in

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

Really struggling with this one tried a few things and got no real results only more staining!! Anybody got any ideas before it gets ripped up .

Just waiting for some more some samples from some Irish firm (JCK  or JFK ?) Anybody used their products?

[Rob Hall]

Chris, we have a sandstone quarry in our family and I have never seen sandstone like this. Either someone is telling you porkies or you have found the only sandstone in the world that has a resemblance to Limestone/Marble??

Also, I doubt if grout would stain sandstone in the way this has, yes, it may have a slight leakage into the stone, but this looks a write off to me.
I hope Kevin can do something with it for you.

[Kev Martin]

I was in the area yesterday and offered to call in!  I can do no more without seeing it and doing some tests

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics ltd

[chris scott]

Kevin ...I do appreciate you offering to call in yesterday but I did not want to trouble you . After all it is a relatively small low paying job compared to your jobs... but thank you anyway . I wish more suppliers took a genuine interest.
Can I not undertake the tests ...given guidance by you and post you the results?

How do I tell the difference between Limestone and Sandstone? Or limestone/marble.

[Rob Hall]

Kevin ...I do appreciate you offering to call in yesterday but I did not want to trouble you . After all it is a relatively small low paying job compared to your jobs... but thank you anyway . I wish more suppliers took a genuine interest.
Can I not undertake the tests ...given guidance by you and post you the results?

How do I tell the difference between Limestone and Sandstone? Or limestone/marble.

Sandstone is generally a very rough faced stone, typical of what you would see in old buildings, pavements, gardens etc.

Marble IS Limestone which has, over the years been subject to heat and pressure and would 'normally' have a smooth finish.

[Roger Oakley]

Chris
From the photos I must admit it look's like Limestone, has someone tried to clean this before you see it, with brick acid? as some of the stains look very much like some of the stains I see when home owners try to clean Limestone themselves with an off the shelf patio cleaner and don't read the label, as is what's it in?

Rob
Not teaching you to suck eggs, but not all Sandstone is rough faced (Rivened) what about a honed Sandstone surface, no roughness there 

[chris scott]

It has never been cleaned .It is sandstone and quartz.

[Rob Hall]

Chris
From the photos I must admit it look's like Limestone, has someone tried to clean this before you see it, with brick acid? as some of the stains look very much like some of the stains I see when home owners try to clean Limestone themselves with an off the shelf patio cleaner and don't read the label, as is what's it in?

Rob
Not teaching you to suck eggs, but not all Sandstone is rough faced (Rivened) what about a honed Sandstone surface, no roughness there 

I was just trying to point out the obvious differences between the two. To be honest, we do not get a lot of Honed Sandstone up here in Yorkshire, there is some admittedly but I would bet there is a high percentage more riven than honed. But I do take your point. You can help me out here, where does white or black (in the case of the picture on this thread) come from?

[Jamie Pearson]

Is it possibly a chinese blue limestone?

[Kev Martin]

Kevin ...I do appreciate you offering to call in yesterday but I did not want to trouble you . After all it is a relatively small low paying job compared to your jobs... but thank you anyway . I wish more suppliers took a genuine interest.
Can I not undertake the tests ...given guidance by you and post you the results?

How do I tell the difference between Limestone and Sandstone? Or limestone/marble.

Chris

I did not want payment I had got up at 5am anyway to go and assess a job for someone who had paid me.  If it was in the locality I would have called in as I had completed my tests , measured up, agreed terms and had our contract signed for the work in Colne by 10.30am.  I am not going to publish on here a series of tests I want you to do but call me, we can discuss it in detail and I will then talk you through what I would do if you like.

Where is the job anyway?  Don't forget if your planned course goes ahead for the 22 Feb I will be up there anyway.  I also need confirmation for that day as I need to book an extra car into Manchester Airport for my Prague trip and I need to book that hotel we discussed.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[Roger Oakley]

Chris
From the photos I must admit it look's like Limestone, has someone tried to clean this before you see it, with brick acid? as some of the stains look very much like some of the stains I see when home owners try to clean Limestone themselves with an off the shelf patio cleaner and don't read the label, as is what's it in?

Rob
Not teaching you to suck eggs, but not all Sandstone is rough faced (Rivened) what about a honed Sandstone surface, no roughness there 

I was just trying to point out the obvious differences between the two. To be honest, we do not get a lot of Honed Sandstone up here in Yorkshire, there is some admittedly but I would bet there is a high percentage more riven than honed. But I do take your point. You can help me out here, where does white or black (in the case of the picture on this thread) come from?

Who knows?? to me it still looks like Limestone and as Cleaningsystemsuk said could be Chinese.
I'd ask the contractor where they got the stone from, then approach the supplier as to where they got it from, this way you know what you are dealing with, little bit of detective work but should get an answer.
I have seen "Chinese" Limestone mark like this before though.

[Graeme Smith]

I looked a sandstone floor before xmas between Bradford and Halifax it was a freshly quarried - very light coloured and looked at a glance like limestone until vague vaining could be seen and it stained chronically. I had a new stone built porch put on my house so new mullions round the window and it looks just like that. Sandstone comes in various forms - outcrop near my house is a coal measure sandstone looks totally different from the outcrops 1/2 a mile away.

[chris scott]

It's Sandstone and Quartz.

[Rob Hall]

It's Sandstone and Quartz.

Where is the Job Chris?

[chris scott]

Southport

[Rob Hall]

Southport

I was hoping that it would be a bit nearer home, I would like to see it. Not too sure how I would go about it without actually seeing it. The problem is, if the seal hasn't been applied to all sides, I doubt it is actually achievable to remove the 'framing'.
Surface grout staining is relatively easy to deal with for obvious reasons, but the grout will probably be the full depth of the tile.
"Someone"...might correct me on this, but I wonder if it would be worth removing the grout and applying a poultice and leaving, it may need repeating a couple of times. I import and use Lantania Poultice and I also use one from Crawshaws. If you give Jill a ring at Crawshaws (020 8686 7997) she may well be able to help out, she really is the last word in Stone Restoration, despite what others might think about their high and mighty selves on here. Crawshaws also do a really good training course which I would recommend to all considering stone restoration. 

[Kev Martin]

Southport

Chris

The problem may be able to be corrected but you will need to carry out a few tests for me!  You have nothing to lose as it sounds like it is going to be ripped up anyway.  On the other hand is this all worth it for 20M2.  Incidentally you can forget Lantania Poultice for this problem we have been selling Lantania Products for 2 years they are OK in certain circumstances but not for this application.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

Got it clean with some environmentally friendly cleaner some Irish firm sent me .... Jbk from Cork Ireland?( or something like that) Cracking product ,took most of the staining out in one go. It even took rust staining out were some dic* had cut some stanchions and it bit into the stone

[Kev Martin]

Good for Tadgh then Chris

[chris scott]

Tadgh...what is that? I thought the cleaner was made from rhubarb leaves.

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

Exactly quote Chris and reply to Chris don't worry Chris you will soon go away you must be smoking some serious poope mate  

[Rob Hall]

Exactly what a BELL quote Chris and reply to Chris don't worry Chris you will soon go away you must be smoking some serious poope mate 

Good night John Boy

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

 

[Forum Admin]

Tadgh is a supporter of CIU of JSK based in Ireland.

Please keep replies clean guys, it's been of those nights tonight.....

[Rob Hall]

Exactly quote Chris and reply to Chris don't worry Chris you will soon go away you must be smoking some serious poope mate  

....I don't know either?? A possible knock on the head.

I hope tomorrows banter is more understandable.

Good Night.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Thats okay Rob, but i think you are making a complete arse of yourself and other members on this forum, i think its time for you to grow up or shut up.

[Rob Hall]

Thats okay Rob, but i think you are making a complete arse of yourself and other members on this forum, i think its time for you to grow up or shut up.

What have I done wrong tonight?
Have you not read the abuse I have been getting with NOTHING offensive in reply?
I can do no right can I?
I try the "Do not Bite" approach, and you still slate me??

When did YOU join the KM fan club Tadgh? 

[Tadgh O Shea]

Rob your reply just proves how immature you really are, come no now just grow up will you, for all our sakes.

[Rob Hall]

Rob your reply just proves how immature you really are, come no now just grow up will you, for all our sakes.

WTF have I done to deserve this?
Have you confused my post about smoking something..aimed at you..because it wasn't!

I have taken abuse from all angles tonight, with no malice or bitterness, but if thats how you want to be, thats ok with me, just don't expect me to sit here and let you deliver you uninformed abuse at me without retaliation.

Now, you can either leave me alone as I have done nothing to you (or anyone else for that matter) tonight, or you can join my list of idiots that I will have no more to do with.

And you want me to come on your course?? Yeah right!

[Tadgh O Shea]

To be honest Rob, i was going to stay out of this post, but when i saw you correcting another members spelling on this thread i thought again, who gives you that right and that is punching way below the belt.
I think you should just leave it go now and stop digging a deeper hole for yourself.

[Rob Hall]

Rob your reply just proves how immature you really are, come no now just grow up will you, for all our sakes.

Tadgh
I removed the post that I think..you thought, was aimed at you, sorry for the confusion, it was aimed at another ....who will remain nameless, but you could easily guess.

What a night, I leave people alone to abuse me...and I get ALL the abuse?
How does that work then

[Rob Hall]

To be honest Rob, i was going to stay out of this post, but when i saw you correcting another members spelling on this thread i thought again, who gives you that right and that is punching way below the belt.
I think you should just leave it go now and stop digging a deeper hole for yourself.

He has a personal go at me, so I had a go back.
Don't see your post having a go at his verbal abuse to me though???

[Tadgh O Shea]

Rob i did not take any of your posts as aimed at me, i just think you are punching below the belt, why not just leave it go now.

[Rob Hall]

Rob i did not take any of your posts as aimed at me, i just think you are punching below the belt, why not just leave it go now.

How can I leave it when you make accusations that you cannot explain when all I have done is take abuse all night with nothing like the reaction they deserve???

I will leave it when I get an explanation from you

[Tadgh O Shea]

Rob you say i am an idiot who you will have no more to do with, i never had any dealings with you and i can tell you now i never will have any dealings with you because of the way you are carrying on here, can you take a hint, stop digging a deeper hole for yourself and grow up.

[Rob Hall]

Rob you say i am an idiot who you will have no more to do with, i never had any dealings with you and i can tell you now i never will have any dealings with you because of the way you are carrying on here, can you take a hint, stop digging a deeper hole for yourself and grow up.

When did I call you an idiot? If I did, it was probably for a good reason.

So, as you have not explained why YOU have now chosen to join the "Have a go at at Rob" thread, I can only assume...you do not have any justifiable reason.

Why would I want any dealings with you? I have managed without your products and will manage without your products for many MANY more years too. 

So, Tadgh, lets call it a draw, you shut up and grow up and so will I....I just hope the rest follow suit

[SteveAllan]

Priceless.

[Rob Hall]

Priceless.

[chris scott]

Ok got it now
Tadgh O Shea works at JSK based in Ireland!!! . It was him who kindly sent me over the "test samples" of the green cleaner that removed all of the staining from the tiles.

Top product Tadgh! ....The other outcome was t was all going to be re lifted and replaced.

Tadgh... Can you send me a price list/samples  of any other products you might think would interest me.We mainly do exterior cleaning. Thanks again.

Rob/Kevin  maybe you should get Tadgh to send you some samples too just to try.The one he sent me is quite impressive.

[Graeme Smith]

What was the name of the product? Had oil staining from food on a newly laid sandstone floor nothing would shift it

[chris scott]

Ask Tadgh what he would recommend. Mine was grout bleeding into the unsealed surface..."picture framing" . So it might be a different product. The one he sent me was a grout and cement residue remover.

[Rob Hall]

Pointless Chris, Tadgh has already thrown me the noose! 

[chris scott]

Pointless Chris, Tadgh has already thrown me the noose! 

Maybe it's worth a reunion....Tadgh might have products there that could save yourself some bother. You dont have to love him!

[Rob Hall]

Pointless Chris, Tadgh has already thrown me the noose! 

Maybe it's worth a reunion....Tadgh might have products there that could save yourself some bother. You dont have to love him!

I spoke with him about a year ago, I was going to go over to see him and his products, but it would appear he is part of the KM appreciation society and, clearly, I am not.

[chris scott]

Pointless Chris, Tadgh has already thrown me the noose!  

Maybe it's worth a reunion....Tadgh might have products there that could save yourself some bother. You dont have to love him!

I spoke with him about a year ago, I was going to go over to see him and his products, but it would appear he is part of the KM appreciation society and, clearly, I am not.

I quite like KM myself  ... I met him at the weekend. Forgot to ask him about impregnating sealers tho'

[Rob Hall]

Pointless Chris, Tadgh has already thrown me the noose!  

Maybe it's worth a reunion....Tadgh might have products there that could save yourself some bother. You dont have to love him!

I spoke with him about a year ago, I was going to go over to see him and his products, but it would appear he is part of the KM appreciation society and, clearly, I am not.

I quite like KM myself  ... I met him at the weekend. Forgot to ask him about impregnating sealers tho'

I have often said, he is a fountain of knowledge and I have also said I respect his opinions. It is just a shame that he decides to jump down peoples throats if they dare have an alternative method to his

[Tadgh O Shea]

What was the name of the product? Had oil staining from food on a newly laid sandstone floor nothing would shift it

Hi Graeme, The product I sent to Chris would not solve this but I do have a safe oil digester that I think would be the ideal product, I can send you a sample to try out to see if its any benefit, if you want to receive just send me your address on email to info@jskcleaning.ie and I will arrange for you

[chris scott]

What was the name of the product? Had oil staining from food on a newly laid sandstone floor nothing would shift it

Hi Graeme, The product I sent to Chris would not solve this but I do have a safe oil digester that I think would be the ideal product, I can send you a sample to try out to see if its any benefit, if you want to receive just send me your address on email to info@jskcleaning.ie and I will arrange for you

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