[steviego1]

hi,
    the tile doctor 2 day training course, worth going on ?

[Rob Hall]

hi,
    the tile doctor 2 day training course, worth going on ?

NO! Stay well away. You will learn more on Kevin Martins course. Although we do not see eye to eye on most things, his course is probably the best one available. Tile Doctor show you very little and then want £100 per month to be on their website. The work they send you is crap too.

[steviego1]

Thank you.

[russell taylor]

Rob, that's an Odd comment coming from you, or maybe not, lets see the fact here.
   You came on our Starter course on the 2nd and 3rd of Feb 2012, You said it was better than Kevin Martins Course, Andrew Cutting who was also on the same course and is still a Tile Doctor unlike yourself will be a witness to this fact.
It must have been a really bad course, because you came back for the Advanced Course on the 7th and 8th of June, you also came down to the Tile Doctor Conference in April.
On top of that I took you on a Antislip job in Leeds city Centre, which I paid you for, we even had a quick drink afterwards.
I Thought we were Friends Rob, but wrong could I be, and all the Time your knocking Kevin Martin, saying he is Bombastic and overbearing and there you are on here thinking that it doesn't matter what you say or do
Nobody forced you take out the Optionalistion program, it wasn't a matter of a yes and No, other Tile Doctors do it because they can see the benefit of it, no doubt they will tell you themselves when they see your unsavoury comments, as your not just Knocking me your knocking 40 other Tile Doctors as well.
 The Optomisation program is Optional, its a very successful S.E.O operation run by my Brother Jeremy, in fact you are the only Tile Doctor to have left it that year, one or two have had a break and then come back to it, due to illness etc, but as everybody else in the World is Optomising their Websites these days if you don't do it, you won't have  website that people will notice, what's yours called again, I couldn't find when I did a search earlier.
   Basically Rob Your a Liar, Yes a Liar, and you Breeched Terms and conditions with us, while you were a Tile Doctor, you may Remember signing <it doesn't matter if you don't , I have a copy > but this includes the following
Conflict of Interest,
confidentiality
Client obligations,
We even give you a pass the first time  you made comments about Tile Doctor and gave you the benefit of the doubt, but then I go on Holiday and you did it again, Stupid or what.
    In your arrogance, you think you can go on these Forums and believe you can say what you want to whoever you want to, without comeback, well believe me Rob There will be Comeback, watch out for a letter from My Solicitor in the New Year.
http://www.tiledoctor.info/testimonial.asp

[Rob Hall]

Russ.
You made it very clear that it was optimisation or nothing. There was no option!! Things have obviously changed since then.

Your remarks about your course and Kevins are slanderous, be VERY careful what you put in writing!

Although Kevin and I don't see eye to eye, I still respect him AND I recommend his course to others. Yours is a complete waste of time, you may remember some aspects of your course not working...like the marks on the limestone??? Yes, I still have the pictures!!!

I decided to do your "advanced" course as I thought there may be something on that one that may be more useful than the first course, sadly not.

I think anyone would agree, doing a course which shows polishing marble with Twister Pads can only be described as amateur. Bonded Diamonds are really the proper way to do it. I import them Russ, would you like to buy some for your future courses?
I do use Twisters, they are great, but in certain applications. Maybe I could do a course for you?

You will have noticed that someone asked the question about Tile Doctor and I gave them an honest answer....whats your problem?

I also have the emails that I sent to you stating that I didn't use TILE DOCTOR products on certain jobs... because they didn't work...they are still on your website claiming to be Tile Doctor products....unless you have changed them!

I look forward to your Solicitors letter.

Just be careful who's cage you are rattling, I think I have embarrassed you enough.

[russell taylor]

Your a Joke Rob, you have already put it in writing, you contradict yourself at every turn.
I don't mind Opinions from other people, but not from you, not when you are lying to people on an Open Forum.
It wont do, you have to learn a lesson and that will be the Hard way where your concerned, check your Terms and conditions you signed with Tile Doctor last year, I was going to let it go, but not now.
  How many people are you going to fall out with Rob, this is not how Trades people conduct business, see you were having a go at Tony not so long back, everything you write down is forever on these Sites, that's why I don't bother with them normally.
 And Yes I remember the Limestone Stain, its still present on about half an inch of our Stone we use for Training, as we cover an area of 90m2 on Our Training courses, its a bit sad that you pick up on half an inch of Limestone, which has been Grinded, Milled, Chemically Cleaned and yes its still there, we cant get rid of it, I make a point of Telling this to all the Tile Doctors so that they are aware of Dealing with Limestone, that some of it out on the Market is unfit for Purpose, but rather than gloss over it I make a point of it, I could have dug it up years ago and put new down but I haven't for this very reason, so get your facts right Rob, next thing you will saying your the leading expert on Stone cleaning and Sealing next.

[Rob Hall]

Russ. I would never claim to be an expert...in fact, I openly admit on THIS FORUM that I am never too old to learn.

You continue doing what you are doing Russ, orange peel marble polishing using twisters is not my idea of polishing marble, maybe ok for a bit of 'up keep' but teaching  people this way is simply wrong.

I have opinions Russ and if they are in my head I usually say it...unlike the silent majority, sadly that is a big fault of many...they have opinions and never say anything.

Bring it on Russ...send your Solicitors letter....take me to court...I look forward to your legal action against Freedom of Speech!

Grow up.

[Rob Hall]

Russ, for the benefit of future legal action, please can you clarify your words...."You are a Liar Rob"

[Jamie Pearson]

hi,
    the tile doctor 2 day training course, worth going on ?

Back on topic.

There are several training courses available in regard to stone & tile cleaning/restoration. I personally havent been on the tile Doctor course but have attended several others.

I have to say all of them have been value for money in their own right. Some are all theory, others combine practical work.

It should be noted that it is only possible to take a certain amount of information in on each course hence the reason people say this course was better than this one etc etc.

The point being that they possibly took more in on the second course because they already had a foundation to build on from the first.

There are a few different approaches to this line of work out there and all the schools will have something to offer.

You never stop learning.

Would this be the first course you have attended.

[Rob Hall]

Russ, a few things I need clarifying...

QUOTE;

You said it was better than Kevin Martins Course, Andrew Cutting who was also on the same course and is still a Tile Doctor unlike yourself will be a witness to this fact.

Let me make it very clear to you, I DID NOT say that...It may come as a surprise, but, Kevins course is the best I have been on.
I do not go on courses to make friends Russ, so falling out with people is not possible.

[Rob Hall]

Another thing...

QUOTE:

On top of that I took you on a Antislip job in Leeds city Centre, which I paid you for, we even had a quick drink afterwards

No you didn't pay me, I did it for the experience of applying anti-slip, which, the customer took me to one side and told me how dissatisfied she was with the appearance...would you like to go back and see her?
We had a drink...I remember that as I bought them!

[Rob Hall]

One more for you...

Quote:

 And Yes I remember the Limestone Stain, its still present on about half an inch of our Stone we use for Training, as we cover an area of 90m2 on Our Training courses, its a bit sad that you pick up on half an inch of Limestone, which has been Grinded, Milled, Chemically Cleaned and yes its still there, we cant get rid of it, I make a point of Telling this to all the Tile Doctors

90sqm? Have you moved? When I came on your course it was a garage that you were using. Don't flatter yourself.

So, you have grinded and milled and it won't come off.
Give me a ring for some proper kit, removing a bit of Ketchup should be childs play with the right kit.

[Rob Hall]

Russ
For your peace of mind

QUOTE:
 you won't have  website that people will notice, what's yours called again, I couldn't find when I did a search earlier.


www.cleanedandsealed.co.uk

Just went live this week Russ, not had one before you see.

oh, www.samichuk.com coming soon if you want some decent tackle Russ.

We also import Lantania Russ, quality tackle from Italy, not down the road in Lancashire. Want some?

Night xx

[B Bailey]

As a member of the Tiledoctor network for nearly 5 years, I can quite honestly say that as a starter course, it is very good.
I have been on other courses and sat and listened to the instructor talk about himself the whole time and not learnt a thing.
With this course I was put at ease straight away, there were only 2 of us on the course and we were able to digest everything easily.
It is very hands on, unlike a lot of other courses.
I still attend courses on a regular basis, not just with the tile doctor because there is so much to learn and things develop all the time.
As for being forced to pay a £100 a month, that is pure rubbish.
I pay £78 a month including vat for the Seo program out of choice. With this I have seen my leads increase dramatically.
I do more stone floor cleaning within my business than anything else and this is due to the Seo program.
I do not pay anything else to get these leads and it is down to myself to convert them, all I do is buy my products from the TD when I carry out these jobs.
What I don't understand, is that if the course was that bad why did Rob, return to do an advanced course and take on his own area.
For someone who has said that he is not afraid to speak his mind, why didn't he say something at the beginning.

[Rob Hall]

As a member of the Tiledoctor network for nearly 5 years, I can quite honestly say that as a starter course, it is very good.
I have been on other courses and sat and listened to the instructor talk about himself the whole time and not learnt a thing.
With this course I was put at ease straight away, there were only 2 of us on the course and we were able to digest everything easily.
It is very hands on, unlike a lot of other courses.
I still attend courses on a regular basis, not just with the tile doctor because there is so much to learn and things develop all the time.
As for being forced to pay a £100 a month, that is pure rubbish.
I pay £78 a month including vat for the Seo program out of choice. With this I have seen my leads increase dramatically.
I do more stone floor cleaning within my business than anything else and this is due to the Seo program.
I do not pay anything else to get these leads and it is down to myself to convert them, all I do is buy my products from the TD when I carry out these jobs.
What I don't understand, is that if the course was that bad why did Rob, return to do an advanced course and take on his own area.
For someone who has said that he is not afraid to speak his mind, why didn't he say something at the beginning.

I am not talking rubbish at all B. Bailey. Its on my mind so here goes....

Russ wanted £80 plus vat from me. Maybe he has different prices for different areas...no doubt he will let us all know how he gets to 2 different prices?

I do not understand why anyone would promote themselves on someone else's website for £78/month?? Very strange!

IN MY OPINION.....Kevins course is better because...

1. Half a day is taken educating those that know nothing about different stone types.
Russ ASSUMES you know.

2. Kevin has a range of Klindex machines which he uses. IN MY OPINION Klindex and Samich are among the best machines in the world for our work.
Russ uses a Victor machine. Come on.....!!

3. Kevin is happy to share work out among anyone happy to do it, I believe he charges a finders fee and I doubt very much if it is £78\month!

4. Kevin sells Aqua Mix products at a reasonable price. (I have made enough noise about Sealing and Coating Remover but the other products I have used seem good)
Russ sells at Retail. I sent Russ and\or Jeremy (his brother) an email telling them that I used my own products on at least one job as his didn't work.

5. I was charged hundreds of pounds for HIS enquiry forms. I assume you were too B. Bailey?? What a rip off! Russ claims this is because the terms and conditions cost a lot. Whatever...

I am sure I can go on and on but I won't.

I believe....

1. To cut, grind and/or polish you need resin or metal bonded diamonds. Did you see any on Russ's "ADVANCED" course? No, neither did I!!

2. He admits to not being able to remove a stain from Limestone.
That should fill anyone with confidence!!

3. Have you ever seen Russ on here offering any help or advice??
NO! You haven't have you. Kevin or Tony are on here every night helping others.
I have been in the industry since 1988 so I think I have some experience to be able to offer a degree of advice too and sometimes this leads to Kevin and I disagreeing. Nothing wrong with that is there? Healthy, I think. Its a forum, not Facebook, I don't expect anyone to "friend" me on here.
If I have an opinion, it is the right place to say it, wether Russ likes it or not, unless we are living in a communist country now are we and Russ is running it?

I look forward to your reply B. Bailey and Russ.
 

[B Bailey]

I can't comment on Kevin's course, because I haven't been on it. And I thought the thread was about the TD course.
Regarding paying for Seo, in my mind it's a no brainer, for the amount of work I receive from it the cost is quite insignificant, especially as TD has an extremely high presence online. We are helping ourselves by using a national brand name.
I also deal with other national companies in other areas of cleaning, and in one way or other you still have to pay a referral fee, which is only fair.
If you find it strange for someone to promote themselves on another companies website why did you do it?
The reason the cost is different is because it is so popular the savings have been passed onto us.
as for machinery everyone has their own preference, just because someone prefers a different machine to your choice, does it make them an inferior cleaner to you.
I only came on here give an opinion and my honest view to the original question.
Sorry if you don't like what you read.

[Kev Martin]

Courses are personal choice at the end of the day.  What I will say and I think most schools will agree with me is that we all run courses for after sales.  Everyone does it differently but no training school makes money out of running courses at the level we charge.  Lots of people will find it hard to believe but if we have a full course (10 People) we only break even.  This is because by the time you have set up training facilities, materiels, lunch, drinks, rates, rent, electricity, and wages etc I can promise you there is no profit left.  We at Tiling Logistics rely on converting customers into buying equipment and becoming long term trade customers.  Clearly TD do it by taking SEO fees and passing on work and then making TD Members buy their products.  Mike Philbin does something else I think he runs a free course on the proviso you buy his Cheetah Pucks or whatever.  The point is loads of people talk the talk about doing courses and advanced training but the truth of the matter is that very few actually do it.  We have been asked to run courses on here and the actual take up from CIU Members is very small.  Lots of people criticise me for posting information on here free of charge but I also believe in helping people as well and often I lose out by doing it.  It is something I am going to look at very seriously next year depending on how things go with Training.  What we do have that no other school has is a 10 hour a day helpline where anyone who has trained with us can come to us for advice and help with specific problems or sometimes just talk it through with us if they are a little unsure and just need some confidence and as far as I am aware no other Training School has that.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

I can't comment on Kevin's course, because I haven't been on it. And I thought the thread was about the TD course.
Regarding paying for Seo, in my mind it's a no brainer, for the amount of work I receive from it the cost is quite insignificant, especially as TD has an extremely high presence online. We are helping ourselves by using a national brand name.
I also deal with other national companies in other areas of cleaning, and in one way or other you still have to pay a referral fee, which is only fair.
If you find it strange for someone to promote themselves on another companies website why did you do it?
The reason the cost is different is because it is so popular the savings have been passed onto us.
as for machinery everyone has their own preference, just because someone prefers a different machine to your choice, does it make them an inferior cleaner to you.
I only came on here give an opinion and my honest view to the original question.
Sorry if you don't like what you read.

B. Bailey. No need to apologise...I think it is good that you share your views, after all, its a forum!
The Thread is about SHOULD HE DO THE TD COURSE...and in my opinion the answer is no, he should invest in a course where he will learn a lot more.

The question isn't .."Why did I DO the course...it is more why did I choose to pack it in"" Get It??

I choose to DO the course because as I have said 100's of times...You are never too old to learn.

I choose to PACK IT IN because of the rip off's such as £100's for the customer enquiry forms (are they around £400 or are you on a cheaper tariff for that too?)....SEO....and...Retail prices for (in my opinion) inferior products. And, if he cannot even remove a simple stain from Limestone, what 'expertise' am I paying for??? Also, to correct you, I DID'T pay TD for the website promotion, why would I...it does not make sense to me, better to promote your own.

Someones choice of machine does not make anyone inferior does it? When did I say it did? The point I am making, to be anything like serious at this game, especially polishing, the choice of machine does count.
Cleaning floors such as sandstone is also going to be difficult with a lightweight machine, I don't give a toss what anyone cleans with, what I do care about is other people being ripped off. I have found what works for me and I share this with others. I am under no illusion that supplying a few Diamond/Silicone Carbide brushes is going to make me millions, I get great pleasure from making others jobs easier too. I have invested in some serious kit from Samich, I am not going to make millions from this either, but machines such as Samich and Klindex take some beating and make the job a lot easier. Polishing Marble with a Samich Legend or Klindex Levighetor is a damn site easier AND better with one of these compared to a 40kg Victor, your choice, I won't loose sleep tonight worrying about you...Russ...or your equipment.

[Rob Hall]

Courses are personal choice at the end of the day.  What I will say and I think most schools will agree with me is that we all run courses for after sales.  Everyone does it differently but no training school makes money out of running courses at the level we charge.  Lots of people will find it hard to believe but if we have a full course (10 People) we only break even.  This is because by the time you have set up training facilities, materiels, lunch, drinks, rates, rent, electricity, and wages etc I can promise you there is no profit left.  We at Tiling Logistics rely on converting customers into buying equipment and becoming long term trade customers.  Clearly TD do it by taking SEO fees and passing on work and then making TD Members buy their products.  Mike Philbin does something else I think he runs a free course on the proviso you buy his Cheetah Pucks or whatever.  The point is loads of people talk the talk about doing courses and advanced training but the truth of the matter is that very few actually do it.  We have been asked to run courses on here and the actual take up from CIU Members is very small.  Lots of people criticise me for posting information on here free of charge but I also believe in helping people as well and often I lose out by doing it.  It is something I am going to look at very seriously next year depending on how things go with Training.  What we do have that no other school has is a 10 hour a day helpline where anyone who has trained with us can come to us for advice and help with specific problems or sometimes just talk it through with us if they are a little unsure and just need some confidence and as far as I am aware no other Training School has that.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

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So, come on Russ, share your expertise with us all, Kevin does, at a cost to his business too!

Better still, Kevin, do you have any advice for Russ to remove his stain from his Limestone floor? His products can't manage it.
I have some poultice from Italy Russ if you are interested? It worked on stone and Encaustic for me....would you like to buy some?

[B Bailey]

Sorry, I was under the impression that when you posted earlier in the year that TD had got rid of you, you were really angry about it especially when you were paying a hundred pounds a month for optimisation.
You should have made clearer that it was you that had decided to leave.