[Diamond standard ltd]

Hi guys don't no if any one can help? Matt grey tiles covered in gloss white paint ( dips,spots ) what is the best way to remove this thanks on advance.

[Jamie Pearson]

what type of tiles?

[Diamond standard ltd]

They are a textured Matt grey tile

[premier floorcare]

Think he might mean ceramic or vinyl

[Diamond standard ltd]

O sorry ceramic

[B Bailey]

Ring Kevin for some s&cr

[Rob Hall]

...alternatively, use a Silicone Carbide or Diamond Brush

[Kev Martin]

...alternatively, use a Silicone Carbide or Diamond Brush

You think that is sound advice or a good idea then?  I would have thought there was more than a good chance that an SIC or a Diamond brush could possibly damage the glaze on ceramic tile especially in the hands of an amateur or someone not experienced with different types of tiles or not able to distinguish the difference between say porcelain, ceramic. Terra Cotta, Saltillo or Quarries.?

However, this is only IMHO

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

...alternatively, use a Silicone Carbide or Diamond Brush

You think that is sound advice or a good idea then?  I would have thought there was more than a good chance that an SIC or a Diamond brush could possibly damage the glaze on ceramic tile especially in the hands of an amateur or someone not experienced with different types of tiles or not able to distinguish the difference between say porcelain, ceramic. Terra Cotta, Saltillo or Quarries.?

However, this is only IMHO

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Obviously, you have never used a brush on ceramic, try it, you will like the result. A lot faster than "removers". However, on ceramic, it may be worth trying Xylene on a small sample area. I don't think we should get involved in childish arguments again, I am trying to help the original poster , not get involved with your opinions.
Hope that is ok?

[chris scott]

I have a waterbased coating removal fluid my mate makes in his shed...i could send you some to try.We use it for all sorts of applications. I have never damaged a substrate with it...we have also removed gloss paint from a UPVC conservatory with it!. Obviously you would need to test on a small inconspicuous area first.

[Rob Hall]

I have a waterbased coating removal fluid my mate makes in his shed...i could send you some to try.We use it for all sorts of applications. I have never damaged a substrate with it...we have also removed gloss paint from a UPVC conservatory with it!. Obviously you would need to test on a small inconspicuous area first.

Sounds brilliant, what is the dwell time?

[Kev Martin]

...alternatively, use a Silicone Carbide or Diamond Brush

You think that is sound advice or a good idea then?  I would have thought there was more than a good chance that an SIC or a Diamond brush could possibly damage the glaze on ceramic tile especially in the hands of an amateur or someone not experienced with different types of tiles or not able to distinguish the difference between say porcelain, ceramic. Terra Cotta, Saltillo or Quarries.?

However, this is only IMHO

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Obviously, you have never used a brush on ceramic, try it, you will like the result. A lot faster than "removers". However, on ceramic, it may be worth trying Xylene on a small sample area. I don't think we should get involved in childish arguments again, I am trying to help the original poster , not get involved with your opinions.
Hope that is ok?

Rob

Firstly I had not even posted on this thread until you put that post.
Secondly I was using diamond brushes before you even saw them!
Thirdly I have vast experience and tried Diamond, SIC, Ceramic and Tynex brushes on all those substrates.
Fourthly if you do have the experience you claim to have then at least get the exact type of ceramic tile clarified before offering advice because any TRUE Diamond brush will destroy the face of Saltillo, Quarry and scratch the glaze of any cheaply manufactered glazed Ceramic fired at a low temperature.

Finally this is not about me or you,  this is a forum that exists to offer sound advice to people asking for help. Whether you like it or not your advice is wrong in this instance because you are not "Au Fait" with the exact type of tile. END OF

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

...alternatively, use a Silicone Carbide or Diamond Brush

You think that is sound advice or a good idea then?  I would have thought there was more than a good chance that an SIC or a Diamond brush could possibly damage the glaze on ceramic tile especially in the hands of an amateur or someone not experienced with different types of tiles or not able to distinguish the difference between say porcelain, ceramic. Terra Cotta, Saltillo or Quarries.?

However, this is only IMHO

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Obviously, you have never used a brush on ceramic, try it, you will like the result. A lot faster than "removers". However, on ceramic, it may be worth trying Xylene on a small sample area. I don't think we should get involved in childish arguments again, I am trying to help the original poster , not get involved with your opinions.
Hope that is ok?

Rob

Firstly I had not even posted on this thread until you put that post.
Secondly I was using diamond brushes before you even saw them!
Thirdly I have vast experience and tried Diamond, SIC, Ceramic and Tynex brushes on all those substrates.
Fourthly if you do have the experience you claim to have then at least get the exact type of ceramic tile clarified before offering advice because any TRUE Diamond brush will destroy the face of Saltillo, Quarry and scratch the glaze of any cheaply manufactered glazed Ceramic fired at a low temperature.

Finally this is not about me or you,  this is a forum that exists to offer sound advice to people asking for help. Whether you like it or not your advice is wrong in this instance because you are not "Au Fait" with the exact type of tile. END OF

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

My dear mis-informed Kevin...only a month ago I cleaned a Terracotta floor with a Diamond Brush....so sorry mon aimee....But...YOU ARE WRONG!

I realise that you hadn't posted, maybe you had no knowledge of the original question?I simply offered my help and along you come ranting AGAIN!! Have you missed me?

and just to confirm...used CORRECTLY....Diamond Brushes will not destroy the surface, you will note the use of the word "correctly"....its a bit like your Sealing and coating remover.....no actually its not....because, whatever I try with that stuff, if has never worked for me and I doubt it will remove paint from the ceramic tile either.

So, back to the original poster, before this thread turns into The Kevin Martin Rant thread...I hope this lot has helped you.

1. Try Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover...pre wet, apply the stuff, wait 3 hours, if it hasn't worked, try it again, wait another 3 hours, if that hasn't worked...try again...go on holiday, have another look....walk off the job..

2. Buy some of the Made In THe Shed Mixture...I want some too. Not too sure how a water-based product removes paint but I am always willing to learn.

3. A Silicone Brush (or Diamond Brush) DOES work but like the creator of the Universe points out, you will need to know what you are doing, a too aggressive brush can cause damage to ANY surface but all I am saying is, it would be what I would try first.

Is the surface of the tile flat? If so, can it not be scrapped off?
Can you get some pictures for us all to see?

[Kev Martin]

Selective reading again! I did not mention Terra Cotta in my last post as something a brush would almost certainly destroy only in the previous post where I suggested it could do damage!
I am not sure why you are quite so jealous of our products or why you continue to try to be clever.
In fact I am trying to work out why you bothered to even come on our training course as you know so much. Deep down you must be a very bitter man. First you fell out with Posh Floors, then Tile Doctor and now clearly Tiling Logistics.  Then you start telling the poor guy to use Xylene?.. What you gonna say next Gelignite?

By the way everyone gets it now!  Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover doesn't do it for you!  But 100's of other experienced floor restoration pro's buy it every week!

[Rob Hall]

Selective reading again! I did not mention Terra Cotta in my last post as something a brush would almost certainly destroy only in the previous post where I suggested it could do damage!
I am not sure why you are quite so jealous of our products or why you continue to try to be clever.
In fact I am trying to work out why you bothered to even come on our training course as you know so much. Deep down you must be a very bitter man. First you fell out with Posh Floors, then Tile Doctor and now clearly Tiling Logistics.  Then you start telling the poor guy to use Xylene?.. What you gonna say next Gelignite?

By the way everyone gets it now!  Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover doesn't do it for you!  But 100's of other experienced floor restoration pro's buy it every week!

Do you have any idea what Xylene is...obviously not by the look of it! Ha Ha
Not sure where the selective reading rant comes in....first post or second post, does it matter....you said it...right?

Jealous of you products? Nooooo, I import ones that work mate...from Italy, they probably have forgotten more about cleaning and sealing stone than the Yanks will ever know.

Bitter man, Nah, real ale is the future.

Posh Floors robbed me and if I remember rightly you also slagged them off when I was on your course. Then again, not many get past you without a growl or two do they?

You may wish to read some of my old posts, I actually recommend your course...and YOU accuse ME of selective reading??? WOW!

Tile Doctor, in my opinion is a waste of money. Then they want £100/month to be added to their website...is there anything that you agree with there? If so, contact Russ at Tile Doctor, maybe you can be added to his website?

Finally, mouth almighty...did you ever order your 50 Rockys from Amir?  I doubt it somehow, just another load of hot air I assume.

Now, either help the original poster or SHUT iT

[Tadgh O Shea]

Xylene, stay well away from this very toxic chemical.

[chris scott]

I have a waterbased coating removal fluid my mate makes in his shed...i could send you some to try.We use it for all sorts of applications. I have never damaged a substrate with it...we have also removed gloss paint from a UPVC conservatory with it!. Obviously you would need to test on a small inconspicuous area first.

Sounds brilliant, what is the dwell time?

Variable on the coating ,temperature and substrate. Graffiti on acrylic bus shelters   about 20mins . Polyurethane on driveways in summer about 2 hours.
It is also bio-degradeable so easy to dispose of ...although the paint you have removed might not be! Xylene possibly would remove the paint much quick although you would have to watch it did not thin the paint out and make it penetrate more.I am in favor of "green" cleaning but i must ask the question if we should stay away from Xylene how do we get to work or go on holiday ? 

[Graeme Smith]

Anyone want to chip into how long the various methods stated above would clean off the floor shown - about 9m2 and every bit is as bad as the photo shows. I have tried diamond brushes and the issue on floors seems to be if you remove paint spots without softening them 1st with a chem is that they create a scratch pattern.
Tried xylene quite effective but stinks - slowly but surely seems to be harder to land the job as it costs more.

[Roger Oakley]

Xylene, stay well away from this very toxic chemical.

Xylene and various other chemicals have their place in what we all do here, it is when people don't read MSDS, use the proper PPE and take precautions that problems arise.
Knowledge is a great thing when used correctly IMO

[chris scott]

Waterbased...no smell. Apply approx 2m per litre. Put a thin plastic sheet (decorators plastic dust sheet) over it to reduce evaporation.Wet vac off. Maybe a little bit of fairy liquid and more water to help lift the remaining waterbased/paint slurry.

[Kev Martin]

Roger

Well said!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Anyone want to chip into how long the various methods stated above would clean off the floor shown - about 9m2 and every bit is as bad as the photo shows. I have tried diamond brushes and the issue on floors seems to be if you remove paint spots without softening them 1st with a chem is that they create a scratch pattern.
Tried xylene quite effective but stinks - slowly but surely seems to be harder to land the job as it costs more.

Graeme

It really depends on the paint to start!

Is it Gloss or Emulsion?  Do a test area!  Sometimes even a pH Neutral Cleaner, warm water and a microfibre pad will remove 90% and then see what your left with!  The issue with Xylene as Roger says is it can have it's place in some situations but PPE is very important.  The vapours can be inhaled as you have already found out, it can permeate into soft furnishings and worst of all it can be absorbed into the skin so would I use it?  The answer is maybe YES if I had tried absolutely everything in my arsenal first.  Have I ever used it on a job? NO because I have always found a friendlier more green way of doing it!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Anyone want to chip into how long the various methods stated above would clean off the floor shown - about 9m2 and every bit is as bad as the photo shows. I have tried diamond brushes and the issue on floors seems to be if you remove paint spots without softening them 1st with a chem is that they create a scratch pattern.
Tried xylene quite effective but stinks - slowly but surely seems to be harder to land the job as it costs more.

Graeme, as it is only 9sqm, why not use diamond pads or Twister type pads and work up through the grades until the required finish is found?

[Graeme Smith]

its not the finish I'm bothered about with these its getting the paint off in the first place - heavily stuck on gloss paint does not come off with a coarse pad. It will take some but you always end up on your hands and knees

[Rob Hall]

its not the finish I'm bothered about with these its getting the paint off in the first place - heavily stuck on gloss paint does not come off with a coarse pad. It will take some but you always end up on your hands and knees

Where is the job?

[Graeme Smith]

Its a dead duck now priced it up to do 2 visits clean leave to dry and seal and she has gone quiet despite the fact she has tried for 5 hours to remove the paint herself with everything going and failed. Job Value had tipped over £500.00 so it was shot dead in the paddock.

[Griffus]

1: Sack the painter

2: If softer options have failed then two options from me: -
     
a) Paint Stripper, apply, dwell then wipe away. Wear proper PPE. This won't take as long as you may think, but will hardly be quick. Stripper quite pricey so allow for that.

b) Steam and a plastic scraper, then turps and a rag to finish.

This assumes this is Gloss.

If tiles are porous then the job will take a whole lot longer. Time thge paint has been down is also a factor.

Last thing, have you carried out a small test patch? If not do so.  We have this all the time, though no where near this covered via builders cleans. Longest I've spent was 4 hours and that was a large kitchen diner with paint all around the edges and liberally splattered throughout.

[Graeme Smith]

I know how to do it always looking for a faster option but there is not  particularly quick one with this some are slightly faster than others

[Griffus]

I know how to do it always looking for a faster option but there is not  particularly quick one with this some are slightly faster than others

 

[Graeme Smith]

Don't be confused just thought someone had a better method

AM SCR or wax off or xylene will all take the paint off I'm just on a mission to suffer less with these floors so was interested in any in put. Everyone has there own preferred method I would like one that involves standing behind a machine rather than on my knees (a lot) if possible.

Its also now a resurrected job as she asked me to do it today - thought the nearly £700.00 had put her off, so I'll be putting  a sealing and coating remover on it/ scraping and everything else in between as normal.

[SteveAllan]

Nice one Graeme, dont forget some after pics  Are you sealing it with Enrich & seal?

[Graeme Smith]

yup played around with other sealers and they are not as powerful - tried Stainstop plus which is ok but on sandstone its only starting to get the desired effect on coat 2. Enrich and sealed a sandstone floor in a kitchen and one coat did it which was a surprise as sandstone is porous as hell.