[cleantech]

Hello all,

Having done a test patch on a tile I am not looking forward to restoring a slate floor. There is blisters all over the tiles do doubt due to incorrect sealing or somebody applying a polish or something. Current tenant has no history on the floor for me. the finish will scratch away but having put down a floor stripper on the test tile it still required serious elbow grease to remove {most} of it! Any ideas what could make like easier on this will a regular stripper suffice at all?

[Jamie Pearson]

Apply stripper the night before and cover with plastic sheeting.

Next morning it should have lifted most of it.

[cleantech]

CleaningSystemsUK you are without doubt the master...........thanks again mate!

[Rob Hall]

Hello all,

Having done a test patch on a tile I am not looking forward to restoring a slate floor. There is blisters all over the tiles do doubt due to incorrect sealing or somebody applying a polish or something. Current tenant has no history on the floor for me. the finish will scratch away but having put down a floor stripper on the test tile it still required serious elbow grease to remove {most} of it! Any ideas what could make like easier on this will a regular stripper suffice at all?

.......or try a Tynex Brush. We use them on all stubborn sealed floors such as slate and riven stone, with INSTANT results...just add water!! We have Silicone Carbide and Diamond in 4" and other sizes due in soon.
email me at stonetilecleaning@gmail.com
Alternativley, do it the other way apply a remover....wait over night and hope it works!

Good Luck

[Floor_Tony]

Rob

It's not always stick it on leave it over night! I can see you believe very strongly in your brush system and they are useful from time to time but not always.

On another note you clearly are just trying to promote these brushes and sell them may I suggest like Kevin, Jamie & Tadgh has and contact the forum for sponsorship details.

PS Samich by the way is Klindex

[Rob Hall]

Rob

It's not always stick it on leave it over night! I can see you believe very strongly in your brush system and they are useful from time to time but not always.

On another note you clearly are just trying to promote these brushes and sell them may I suggest like Kevin, Jamie & Tadgh has and contact the forum for sponsorship details.

PS Samich by the way is Klindex

What is with the verbal attack?
So, help me out, is it stick it on and leave for 2 nights?
Tony, I have tried several so called "removers" and IN MY OPINION, they are not has good or quick as a diamond brush (or carbide in some cases).

...and for your information, I contacted the advertising section of this forum weeks ago, not that that is any of your business!

Oh and just one other thing....Samich is the orignal....Klindex is Samich..you will find! Samich came first...ok?

If there is anything else I can help you with or put you right on, feel free to contact me.

[Floor_Tony]

It's not a verbal attack, and I am more than educated enough of the klindex history thank you.

Your experience on these kind of floors sounds unbelievable (bad luck?). However banging on about the brushes like its the answer is not true best thing since sliced bread I would have to disagree they have many down points about them but as you do some more testing and research you will find this out!

Now I'm sure you have a smart arse reply to correct.

[Rob Hall]

It's not a verbal attack, and I am more than educated enough of the klindex history thank you.

Your experience on these kind of floors sounds unbelievable (bad luck?). However banging on about the brushes like its the answer is not true best thing since sliced bread I would have to disagree they have many down points about them but as you do some more testing and research you will find this out!

Now I'm sure you have a smart arse reply to correct.
...however, I have educated you on the history of Samich and Klindex??

Please do me a favour Tony. DO NOT include me in your Pantomime, I am not interested. If you want to rant on to others how good you are and how uneducated the rest of us are...carry on...you only make yourself look stupid.
I have been in the industry for 25 years..I doubt if you were out of nappies 25 years ago, so do not insult me anymore.

As far as the brushes are concerned, they worked on a floor where I tried Lithofin Wax Off (that worked slightly) and YOUR sealer and coating remover, (which worked as well as a soggy tissue!)
I have not named products before to save you any embarrassment, however, as you appear to have a very big chip on your shoulder, its time to name and shame. The product simply didn't touch the seal. The brushes removed the seal in a breath...I have some photos, but that would be rubbing salt in the wound and I am not like that.

As you know, I am a contractor looking for solutions. I have found what suits me.
what suits me is a CAPABLE brush...more capable and much more safe than Chemicals.
I am not in it to make millions, but if someone wants to share in what I have found, it is up to them...ok?

I would like to offer my findings to other contractors who are looking for affordable solutions that work. I am not looking to be a control freak dictating to the world what they should and shouldn't use.

I hope you can understand my opinions and feelings and stress to you that I am not interested in a slanging match with you.

[Mark@Able Stonecare]

Hello all,

Having done a test patch on a tile I am not looking forward to restoring a slate floor. There is blisters all over the tiles do doubt due to incorrect sealing or somebody applying a polish or something. Current tenant has no history on the floor for me. the finish will scratch away but having put down a floor stripper on the test tile it still required serious elbow grease to remove {most} of it! Any ideas what could make like easier on this will a regular stripper suffice at all?

I'm not gonna get involved in the whole brush debate as I have never used them but then I also have never had to leave sealing and coating remover on overnight!!
I would try the sealer and coating remover give it a 30-45 min dwell then agitate with the rotary. As you have said its scratching off its probably not that hard to remove with a strong stripper with the appropriate dwell time.

[Floor_Tony]

I don't do pantomime and I certainly do not rant and go round bosting how good I am and as for dictating what people use I do not.

My age or how long you have been in the industry is of no interest to me and frankly I find it rude.

As for trying to save my "embarrassment" for your comments on a product maybe true or made up or just a operator error.

That's it for me anyway I also am not interested in a slanging match it bores me stupid and prefer to do something a lot more productive.

[cleantech]

Hello all,

Having done a test patch on a tile I am not looking forward to restoring a slate floor. There is blisters all over the tiles do doubt due to incorrect sealing or somebody applying a polish or something. Current tenant has no history on the floor for me. the finish will scratch away but having put down a floor stripper on the test tile it still required serious elbow grease to remove {most} of it! Any ideas what could make like easier on this will a regular stripper suffice at all?

I'm not gonna get involved in the whole brush debate as I have never used them but then I also have never had to leave sealing and coating remover on overnight!!
I would try the sealer and coating remover give it a 30-45 min dwell then agitate with the rotary. As you have said its scratching off its probably not that hard to remove with a strong stripper with the appropriate dwell time.

Mark...what would be your tool of choice on the rotary?

[Rob Hall]

I don't do pantomime and I certainly do not rant and go round bosting how good I am and as for dictating what people use I do not.

My age or how long you have been in the industry is of no interest to me and frankly I find it rude.

As for trying to save my "embarrassment" for your comments on a product maybe true or made up or just a operator error.

That's it for me anyway I also am not interested in a slanging match it bores me stupid and prefer to do something a lot more productive.

Lets leave it at that Tony.
May I suggest reading your last comments before entering any new ones?
RUDE??? MOI??? Have another read....

The gauntlet is down....
I will refund anyone who cannot remove sealer on slate or any riven stone with our Diamond Brush and give the cost of the brush to their chosen charity.

Will you Tony??? As I have a receipt for a 5ltr of Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover that didn't work to kick you off

[Mark@Able Stonecare]

I would use a medium stiffness brush, pads on a rotary for stripping a slate floor just miss too many rivens in the tile.

[Rob Hall]

I would use a medium stiffness brush, pads on a rotary for stripping a slate floor just miss too many rivens in the tile.

Mark!!!!
Don't mention brushes...it upsets too many people
Sshhhhhhhhhh, keep it to yourself

[Floor_Tony]

Bit childish comment really you say drop then you keep digging

[Rob Hall]

Bit childish comment really you say drop then you keep digging

Damn it!! I was caught in the act!!

Its called a "sense of Humour Tony, try it...you might like it!
MWAH

[Floor_Tony]

Come on then rub the salts into the wounds before, during and after of a slate with your diamond brush system need a hand loading them let me know

[Rob Hall]

Come on then rub the salts into the wounds before, during and after of a slate with your diamond brush system need a hand loading them let me know

What??
...."need a hand loading them???
Eh?

I used one...1....uno....une....Ein...understand? at £40

Not 25 ltrs at ££££'s and 3 days waiting time...do the maths...the customer did!!

[Floor_Tony]

Photos of a slate floor you have done with understand?

[Rob Hall]

First picture shows "Before"
Second picture shows "after" using Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating remover

I will dig out the Lithofin Wax off photos, In all fairness, the Lithofin did start to remove, given a couple of coats, I think this would have worked, so all is not lost Tony, if you sell Lithofin??

[Rob Hall]

Photos of a slate floor you have done with understand?

So, what you see here is a sample area using Wax off and the whole area done with a 36 grit Diamond Brush.

I am happy to keep the "refund" challenge if you are

[Floor_Tony]

So you used wax off first and the 36grit?

[Rob Hall]

So you used wax off first and the 36grit?

The "sample" area you see in the photos are a small pantry area. I tried one Stone Flag in one corner with your AMS&CR and another Stone Flag with Lithofin Wax Off.

I then HAD TOO remove the Sealer from EVERY flag with a Diamond Brush as the chemical option did not work. The Lithofin did have a small reaction but the Aqua Mix did nothing after 3 hours dwell time.

So, in this small amount of Research and Development...my conclusion was:
The Chemicals were a waste of time and money.
The brush required water and a vac up and removed the whole amount of sealer.

I am interested to know if you, or anyone else, would have done anything any different?
Maybe more dwell time? Overnight perhaps?
Kitchen out of action?
Fumes?
If there is something I am missing Tony, point it out, I am always willing to learn....never to old to learn.

[Floor_Tony]

It maybe me but it look like the one with brush has left "dimples" in the stone you will have to correct me if I am wrong.

As for your chemical question of method we have never left a kitchen out of action or left fumes behind and I personally have only once had to leave it overnight. I can't answer your question I wasn't there and you seem obsessed by your refund challenge that's not down to me. Again I maybe wrong but if I recall correctly I think Kevin offered to come with you.

[Rob Hall]

These photos show more of the main floor area. Before and after using the 36 grit diamond.

[Rob Hall]

It maybe me but it look like the one with brush has left "dimples" in the stone you will have to correct me if I am wrong.

As for your chemical question of method we have never left a kitchen out of action or left fumes behind and I personally have only once had to leave it overnight. I can't answer your question I wasn't there and you seem obsessed by your refund challenge that's not down to me. Again I maybe wrong but if I recall correctly I think Kevin offered to come with you.

Dimples?
No. It is a Yorkstone...a very old Yorkstone with circa 200 years of wear and tear, so there are many 'imperfections'.

Obsessed? No, it was a fair challenge to you, but if you feel that it is out of your reach, I will accept the challenge as a result that, maybe there is something in using the brushes?

Even if Kevin had come on the Job...
A. I could not afford the cost of his attendence. I remember he quoted me around £700 to come to Leeds once to remove a 8" scratch from a Granite work top...god only knows what overnight dwell time costs?

B. What difference would it make if he came on the job?

I have another Yorkshire Stone floor to do tomorrow.
I will send you some more photos.
I will do half a flag with the Aqua Mix and the other half with my diamond brush. Tell me, how much dwell time would you like me to allow?
It is no where near as bad as the previous photos that you have just seen, but I would like to give the challenge a fair trial.

[Kev Martin]

Rob

 3 straight questions that require 3 straight answers

What size is your Diamond brush?
What grit is it?
What RPM are you using?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Rob

 3 straight questions that require 3 straight answers

What size is your Diamond brush?
What grit is it?
What RPM are you using?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Is this relevant to my dwell time tomorrow?

[Kev Martin]

Very relevant!

So a reply would be nice with your experience

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Very relevant!

So a reply would be nice with your experience

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

1. The brush size I will be using on tomorrows job is 4"
2. 36 Grit Diamond.
3. My RPM on the machine (variable speed Flex L1503VR) varies between 1100 and 3700. I always use the brush on the lowest setting.

OK, so what is the relevance
and..
What dwell time do you require on your Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover

[Kev Martin]

Rob

Have patience we will get to the Chemical shortly.

Here are the next questions. All are short answers.

1. What result do you get using the same grit brush at 150rpm with a 42kg machine?
2. How long will it take you to do a 100M2 of Riven Slate covered in Slateseal using your 4" brush and water? No Chemical

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Rob

Have patience we will get to the Chemical shortly.

Here are the next questions. All are short answers.

1. What result do get using the same brush at 150rpm with a 42kg machine?
2. How long will it take you to do a 100M2 of Riven Slate covered in Slateseal using your 4" brush and water? No Chemical

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

1.I have used a 15" brush on my 45kg machine many, many times. The machine will take 80% of the 'offending sealer" then' its out with the 4" to get down and dirty with the remaining 20%

2. Wow... ermm dont know is the answer, I suppose the honest answer would be...
When my 45kg breaks down and is not capable of helping me out with the first 80sqm, I will let you know...at a guess for the strange reason of your question....2 days???

....and the relevance is...?

How long would it take Aqua Mix Sealer & Coating Remover?
With my Research on the product.....never! So, my 2 days looks quiet good in that respect eh?

[Kev Martin]

So your answer to Question 1 IS 150 rpm is not the same as 1100rpm is that a fair assumption?
Your reply to Question 2 is your not sure?

OK!

I am confused surely with all the slate floors you have stripped they must have been say 20M2 or similar. So how long did that take you with your 4" brush?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Rob

I have an early start in the morning and it's late. Do you want to think about overnight?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

So your answer to Question 1 IS 150 rpm is not the same as 1100rpm is that a fair assumption?
Your reply to Question 2 is your not sure?

OK!

I am confused surely with all the slate floors you have stripped they must have been say 20M2 or similar. So how long did that take you with your 4" brush?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

I only got an 'o' level in maths, however, 150rpm is lower yes..
AND THE RELEVANCE IS???

Have I done a 20sqm floor using a 4" brush? YES! In a day...
AND THE RELEVANCE IS?


Let me give you a simple maths test

How many hours would it take if you poured 5ltrs of Aqua Mix Sealer and coating remover over 20sqm to remove a nasty 5 years worth of Slate Seal?  

How much would it cost really as you would need to repeat several times?

How angry, on a scale of 1-10 would the customer be when he realises that he has wasted his/her money?
 
How many brushes wold you like to order from me in the morning?

[Rob Hall]

Rob

I have an early start in the morning and it's late. Do you want to think about overnight?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

No, reply above.
I also have an early start.
You can always email your brush order to me tomorrow!!

[Rob Hall]

...and it gives you time to think about any relevance too
nite x

[Rob Hall]

Oh bugger..

I didnt get the dwell time...

or the relevance... 

I will let you \know how it goes tomorrow.

Nite y'all

[Kev Martin]

Rob

You have answered yourself. 20M2 took you all day. So a 100M2 will take you 5 days.

The fact is I have been testing Diamond, SIC, Tynex, Winnex and Ceramic brushes for the last 3 1/2 years. I have conducted the tests on dozens of different floors with dozens of different grits of all the aforementioned different brushes on six different speed and weight machines.  I know what works and what doesn't.  Incidentally Ceramic NOT DIAMOND brushes work best on riven slate with a 40kg 400 rpm machine they absolutely out performed diamond brushes by a Country mile rated against 24, 36, 50, 100 and 220 grit.

I have 15 different grit Diamond brushes you can try whilst you are waiting for your stock. You are welcome to come and see them if you wish.  Finally all testing proved the time process was reduced by over 40% when a stripper was applied to the floor first.

Finally return your unopened Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover for a full refund.  But they are only 3.785litre bottles not 5 litres.

Night Night

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Rob

You have answered yourself. 20M2 took you all day. So a 100M2 will take you 5 days.

The fact is I have been testing Diamond, SIC, Tynex, Winnex and Ceramic brushes for the last 3 1/2 years. I have conducted the tests on dozens of different floors with dozens of different grits of all the aforementioned different brushes on six different speed and weight machines.  I know what works and what doesn't.  Incidentally Ceramic NOT DIAMOND brushes work best on riven slate with a 40kg 400 rpm machine they absolutely out performed diamond brushes by a Country mile rated against 24, 36, 50, 100 and 220 grit.

I have 15 different grit Diamond brushes you can try whilst you are waiting for your stock. You are welcome to come and see them if you wish.  Finally all testing proved the time process was reduced by over 40% when a stripper was applied to the floor first.

Finally return your unopened Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover for a full refund.  But they are only 3.785litre bottles not 5 litres.

Night Night

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Clever that one Kevin...very clever!
First you invent a scenario which I would probably never take on...but I fell into your sordid trap.

100sqm at 20sqm a day with a 4" brush...Ha Ha Ha Ha, even I wouldn,t be stupid enough.
However....100sqm using Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover which doesn,t work would take me months!! Perhaps the 4" brush option IS a possibility after all.

I am sorry Kevin, ceramic will NEVER replace Diamond. Earlier this month I was in Verona at the stone show talking to several manufacturers about ceramic over diamond...they thought I was being very stupid. So, no, not even the brush manufacturers think like you. (Then again, you will probably advise them on the brush forum will you??)

Evidence of stupidity;

I have told you that I tried Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover on a small area of Yorkshire stone with NO EFFECT, then you say "Send back the un-opened bottle for a refund"

Is it me??

I was going to do a floor this morning, but, I am off to bang my head against a wall. It is pointless having a serious discussion with you Kevin.

Oh, nearly forgot again, regarding my test.... and the dwell time you would like me to try??
Bearing in mind, I have got a day to do it!!

In conclusion...and I saved the best till last....

Use a stripper.....use the brush.....and Kevin says "It will reduce the time by 40%" (so we agree on something then???)

I rest my case.

No more questions your honour.

I would like to add a small note to this last comment.
I see this as good healthy banter. The debate didn't get nasty, just at some points things can get missed due to the lack of spoken words, typing is ok, but I feel face to face with feelings works better. Better still if you can use the product to verify what you are trying to prove.

Watch for the phots of todays job later tonight.

Who needs Coronation Street!!

[Kev Martin]

Rob

You have a reading problem!  It is called selective!  I have always advocated the use of brushes there are 50+ posts on this Forum to prove that.  

I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have.  What you fail to realise is a wire cup brush will work exactly the same on an angle grinder and they are only £2.50.

This is why your by your own admission your 15" Diamond Brush on your slowspeed mono rotary only does 80% of the removal and then you have to go over the whole floor with your 4" brush.

Verona and speaking to the brush manufacturers "Cobblers"  do you think one of them has ever done any extensive testing?  If you do you are sadly mistaken!

I buy diamond brushes off one of the best,  most competent manufacturers in the World and even he openly admits he knows sod all about stone!

Get on with it Rob!  I genuinely wish you all the best selling your brushes!

Finally still return the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover even opened and I will still give you a full refund and we will continue to sell 100's of litres a month of a product that doesn't work that people come back for time after time!  

"NOTE:   TILING LOGISTICS OFFER A FULL REFUND ON ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH!"  This includes the VAC you bought even though it is now well over a year old!



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Rob

You have a reading problem!  It is called selective!  I have always advocated the use of brushes there are 50+ posts on this Forum to prove that.  

I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have.  What you fail to realise is a wire cup brush will work exactly the same on an angle grinder and they are only £2.50.

This is why your by your own admission your 15" Diamond Brush on your slowspeed mono rotary only does 80% of the removal and then you have to go over the whole floor with your 4" brush.

Verona and speaking to the brush manufacturers "Cobblers"  do you think one of them has ever done any extensive testing?  If you do you are sadly mistaken!

I buy diamond brushes off one of the best,  most competent manufacturers in the World and even he openly admits he knows sod all about stone!

Get on with it Rob!  I genuinely wish you all the best selling your brushes!

Finally still return the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover even opened and I will still give you a full refund and we will continue to sell 100's of litres a month of a product that doesn't work that people come back for time after time!  

"NOTE:   TILING LOGISTICS OFFER A FULL REFUND ON ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH!"  This includes the VAC you bought even though it is now well over a year old!



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

I have a selective reading problem....pffff....kettle and black come to mind!!!

Where does it say that I go over the WHOLE floor with a 4" brush after using my rotary? I said 20% (and you call me a selective reader...yeah right!)

So, you are saying that the brush manufacturers don't do any testing?? Really?? You are having a laugh aren't you!!

So, you buy from people who don't know what they are doing??? Nice...! and he is one of the best and competent is he??? I am glad I don't buy from him

I have never once said I am unhappy with the vac however, if the offer is on the table...its on its way...I will have a look for one that parts are easy to pick up....cheers Kev. That offer will take some beating!!
I take it that is a 100% refund is it?
There is only about 1ltr of the remover left, even I think I would be taking the 'P' if I sent that back!!

I have some photos for you from todays test, I will put them on later.

I used some more of the Aqua Mix Sealer and coating remover today...guess what....it removed something!! Yeah, it actually worked!!!

I pre wet the floor...let it dwell for 4 hours, kept adding a bit more...I used about a litre on two stone slabs and it actually removed some nasty red stuff...who knows, if I had used another two ltrs on the two pieces of stone, it could have removed some more. All I would have needed then was another 4 or 5 bottles of the stuff and a couple more days and it would have removed some more!! Meanwhile, I did the other 20sqm with my brush whilst the remover was 'working'.

[Kev Martin]

Rob

You don't get it do you!  I am sick of reading this drivel and whingeing about how you think everything I say is wrong and the whole World is out to rip you off!  

1.  Do you actually read what you write?  So you want to return a VAC so that the next one you buy has cheaper blades by £3.50 so you save £7?  Is that it?  Well if it makes you happy send the VAC back for a full 100% refund!  I want it back by Friday 8th November in my Unit!  The return costs by the way are down to you before you ask for those as well.  As are the original shipping costs.
2.  Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover doesn't work for you!!!!  "I HAVE GOT THE MESSAGE"  "SO HAS THE WHOLE FORUM" But you tried it again anyway?  "Send that back as well and I will still refund it"  


" YOUR RIGHT I AM WRONG"

NOW YOU CAN ADD ME TO THE LIST WITH POSH FLOORS AND TILE DOCTOR

[Rob Hall]

Rob

You don't get it do you!  I am sick of reading this drivel and whingeing about how you think everything I say is wrong and the whole World is out to rip you off!  

1.  Do you actually read what you write?  So you want to return a VAC so that the next one you buy has cheaper blades by £3.50 so you save £7?  Is that it?  Well if it makes you happy send the VAC back for a full 100% refund!  I want it back by Friday 8th November in my Unit!  The return costs by the way are down to you before you ask for those as well.  As are the original shipping costs.
2.  Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover doesn't work for you!!!!  "I HAVE GOT THE MESSAGE"  "SO HAS THE WHOLE FORUM" But you tried it again anyway?  "Send that back as well and I will still refund it"  


" YOUR RIGHT I AM WRONG"

NOW YOU CAN ADD ME TO THE LIST WITH POSH FLOORS AND TILE DOCTOR

Oohh!! So I have hit a nerve have I?
Wow, what a reply! Another arrogant rant from you, you simply cannot have a decent chat about anything can you? You hate it when it is not going your way! You cannot handle criticism at all can you?

Ok, first of all, I have checked my posts and I cannot find where I have said.."The whole world is trying to rip me off". Do me a favour and point me to the thread will you?

I made a comment about your vac blades. They give the impression that they are easily replaced (I have attached a photo so you can see the mistake I have obviously made)

Secondly, I have never once said that you are wrong. In fact, I have always commented about how good your course is and how knowledgable you are about the industry....and you accuse me of selective reading..!! I have done other courses and to be honest, they weren't a patch on yours, again, selective reading!!

Now, about the return of the vac. You will see from most of my earlier posts that I have included lots of little smiley faces (its called humour Kevin.) I didn't realise that you have had a sense of humour bypass, I would not send back the vac after having for over a year. I would not buy another thats all.

On to your Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating remover. Get someone to read the last post of mine (because you obviously cant read) it says that it did actually remove some nasty red stuff AND it only took 4 hours as opposed to overnight as mentioned on another thread!!! What do you see wrong with that?

All I have ever said is....IN MY OPINION....a floor can be cleaned using a diamond brush and water WITHOUT the use of a chemical cleaner. I have tried your Aqua Mix Sealing and Coating Remover and it didn't work on two different sealers....ok?
Again, I will not be sending that back either, I will just not buy anymore and use the Diamond Brush system because IT WORKS FOR ME!

Lighten up a bit Kevin, your blood pressure must be sky high. Stop being Mr Angry all the time, other people are entitled to their opinion.

I sincerely hope that you get your courses back on offer to people, they are far better than Tile Doctor and Posh Floors....IN MY OPINION!!

I also wish you luck with your new move and hope its successful for you.

JUST LIGHTEN UP A BIT!!!!! I will always have an opinion and unless this country turns communist...I always will 

[Jamie Pearson]

Why cant you replace the rubbers?

These are the same as the older Soteco heads which you can remove the metal strip then the rubber strip and fit new ones.

I think we may actually have some stock of those. T

he newer style "friction free" tools are also available and can be changed just by removing 4 screws and dropping in a new set.

We change em pretty much every month depending on the type of work we have been doing.

[Rob Hall]

Why cant you replace the rubbers?

These are the same as the older Soteco heads which you can remove the metal strip then the rubber strip and fit new ones.

I think we may actually have some stock of those. T

he newer style "friction free" tools are also available and can be changed just by removing 4 screws and dropping in a new set.

We change em pretty much every month depending on the type of work we have been doing.

|Excellent, can you send me some please...as my "other" suppliers seems to have forgotten that they were meant to be checking some stock for me 4 days ago!!

(wait for the abuse....I can feel it coming.... )

[Rob Hall]

Rob

You have a reading problem!  It is called selective!  I have always advocated the use of brushes there are 50+ posts on this Forum to prove that.  

I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have.  What you fail to realise is a wire cup brush will work exactly the same on an angle grinder and they are only £2.50.

This is why your by your own admission your 15" Diamond Brush on your slowspeed mono rotary only does 80% of the removal and then you have to go over the whole floor with your 4" brush.

Verona and speaking to the brush manufacturers "Cobblers"  do you think one of them has ever done any extensive testing?  If you do you are sadly mistaken!

I buy diamond brushes off one of the best,  most competent manufacturers in the World and even he openly admits he knows sod all about stone!

Get on with it Rob!  I genuinely wish you all the best selling your brushes!

Finally still return the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover even opened and I will still give you a full refund and we will continue to sell 100's of litres a month of a product that doesn't work that people come back for time after time!  

"NOTE:   TILING LOGISTICS OFFER A FULL REFUND ON ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH!"  This includes the VAC you bought even though it is now well over a year old!



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Just had another read of the above post of yours and feel the need to correct you on your point about the 15" brush.
When you use a 15" brush, the area of the brush that is in contact with the floor is not the same as using a 4" brush on a flex machine. By the very nature of it being on a flex machine you can manipulate the brush in any direction you like, unlike the 15" which is flat to the floor. Hope this makes sense. Think of it this way, if you place your palm of your hand on the floor and twist it, this is the effect of a 15" brush, however, if you use your finger nail on the floor, you are using a smaller area, but a more 'plyable' area, this is about the difference in the two....I know it sounds a bit strange, but its the best I can think of that is easy to grasp.

[Kev Martin]

Why cant you replace the rubbers?

These are the same as the older Soteco heads which you can remove the metal strip then the rubber strip and fit new ones.

I think we may actually have some stock of those. T

he newer style "friction free" tools are also available and can be changed just by removing 4 screws and dropping in a new set.

We change em pretty much every month depending on the type of work we have been doing.

Jamie

You can replace the rubbers but they got to such a price with our suppliers it was better to just buy the whole head.  When we are flat out grinding and vaccing slurry we use a set of rubbers in a week.  What we found in the beginning was by the second set of rubbers we found the screws needed replacing as well.  By the 4th change the bars holding the rubbers were beginning to rust.  Now we don't even bother we just cost in the vac heads appropriate to the size of the job.  So roughly 1 head per vac per week of grinding.  Or the price of 1/2 a head per job if we are cleaning.  Let me know if you can still get them cheap mate because I can't anymore.  If you can I will have 200 pairs off you!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob Hall]

Ok, here are the photos I promised...

First one shows pre wetting floor
then..
Aqua Mix Sealer & Coating Remover...

[Rob Hall]

I then let it dwell for 4 hours, agitating every 20-30 mins and adding more AMS&CR
After 4 hours, some of the red stuff had gone...so I assume that after a further application and another 4 hours, it would have worked.
As I only had a day to do the job, I had to use my brushes with water to finish off.

Photos show a before and after

[Kev Martin]

Rob

You have a reading problem!  It is called selective!  I have always advocated the use of brushes there are 50+ posts on this Forum to prove that.  

I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have.  What you fail to realise is a wire cup brush will work exactly the same on an angle grinder and they are only £2.50.

This is why your by your own admission your 15" Diamond Brush on your slowspeed mono rotary only does 80% of the removal and then you have to go over the whole floor with your 4" brush.

Verona and speaking to the brush manufacturers "Cobblers"  do you think one of them has ever done any extensive testing?  If you do you are sadly mistaken!

I buy diamond brushes off one of the best,  most competent manufacturers in the World and even he openly admits he knows sod all about stone!

Get on with it Rob!  I genuinely wish you all the best selling your brushes!

Finally still return the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover even opened and I will still give you a full refund and we will continue to sell 100's of litres a month of a product that doesn't work that people come back for time after time!  

"NOTE:   TILING LOGISTICS OFFER A FULL REFUND ON ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH!"  This includes the VAC you bought even though it is now well over a year old!



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Just had another read of the above post of yours and feel the need to correct you on your point about the 15" brush.
When you use a 15" brush, the area of the brush that is in contact with the floor is not the same as using a 4" brush on a flex machine. By the very nature of it being on a flex machine you can manipulate the brush in any direction you like, unlike the 15" which is flat to the floor. Hope this makes sense. Think of it this way, if you place your palm of your hand on the floor and twist it, this is the effect of a 15" brush, however, if you use your finger nail on the floor, you are using a smaller area, but a more 'plyable' area, this is about the difference in the two....I know it sounds a bit strange, but its the best I can think of that is easy to grasp.

This is a quote from the post above yours!!!!!  READ IT!!!

"I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have."

[Rob Hall]

Rob

You have a reading problem!  It is called selective!  I have always advocated the use of brushes there are 50+ posts on this Forum to prove that.  

I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have.  What you fail to realise is a wire cup brush will work exactly the same on an angle grinder and they are only £2.50.

This is why your by your own admission your 15" Diamond Brush on your slowspeed mono rotary only does 80% of the removal and then you have to go over the whole floor with your 4" brush.

Verona and speaking to the brush manufacturers "Cobblers"  do you think one of them has ever done any extensive testing?  If you do you are sadly mistaken!

I buy diamond brushes off one of the best,  most competent manufacturers in the World and even he openly admits he knows sod all about stone!

Get on with it Rob!  I genuinely wish you all the best selling your brushes!

Finally still return the Aqua Mix Sealing & Coating Remover even opened and I will still give you a full refund and we will continue to sell 100's of litres a month of a product that doesn't work that people come back for time after time!  

"NOTE:   TILING LOGISTICS OFFER A FULL REFUND ON ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT SATISFIED WITH!"  This includes the VAC you bought even though it is now well over a year old!



Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Just had another read of the above post of yours and feel the need to correct you on your point about the 15" brush.
When you use a 15" brush, the area of the brush that is in contact with the floor is not the same as using a 4" brush on a flex machine. By the very nature of it being on a flex machine you can manipulate the brush in any direction you like, unlike the 15" which is flat to the floor. Hope this makes sense. Think of it this way, if you place your palm of your hand on the floor and twist it, this is the effect of a 15" brush, however, if you use your finger nail on the floor, you are using a smaller area, but a more 'plyable' area, this is about the difference in the two....I know it sounds a bit strange, but its the best I can think of that is easy to grasp.

This is a quote from the post above yours!!!!!  READ IT!!!

"I really don't care how you do a job or what with!  You will soon realise that you haven't thought through your posts and that it is the speed on the machine and accurate pressure that is making the little 4" brush work that you have."

Not sure what point you are trying to make???

Lets leave at this...
Diamonds have been used for cutting/cleaning stone for many years, they work for me and countless others without using chemicals. Hope that is clear enough for you.