[Paul Evans]

Hi All
looking to seal/protect my back garden,natural indian stone.I like the wet look that enhances the colour.
any recommends greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance Paul

[Kev Martin]

Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal if you want the best:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=69

or

LTP Colour Intensifier & Stain Block:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=93

Check the coverage on both products because the Aqua Mix goes a lot further and is actually less money in the long run.  It also out performs the LTP both in appearance and longevity!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

[chris scott]

Not wet look or shiney ...but my prefered protection for indian sandstone is Teflon.
Be very careful what you apply to Indian sandstone outside as it is rarely dry enough.It is also very porus and allows moisture from the substrate below to rise through it.
Sealers (in the traditional sense ) are not ideal for this material for longevity of protection.
 My number is 07973216502 if you require any advice on the matter.

[Roger Oakley]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

[chris scott]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

You and I know what is dry...what most people consider dry is not (in the context of this thread). This is when most problems occur. I for one have stripped several natural stone jobs this season that have gone wrong... i know of one experienced forum user who is going through problems due to damp stone/wrong "sealer".  It's not the sealers that fail...it's operator error...hence steering the gentleman towards "waterbased" damp tolerant easy to use products.
You yourself have mentioned in your post the surface needs to be dry...twice!
Life would be more difficult for him if it all goes wrong.
How is the testing of the sample i sent you?

[Kev Martin]

Not wet look or shiney ...but my prefered protection for indian sandstone is Teflon.
Be very careful what you apply to Indian sandstone outside as it is rarely dry enough.It is also very porus and allows moisture from the substrate below to rise through it.
Sealers (in the traditional sense ) are not ideal for this material for longevity of protection.
 My number is 07973216502 if you require any advice on the matter.

Chris

You have gone off Topic again!  The original post was for a stone enhancer and that was the advice I gave.  If he had asked for a water based sealer that can be applied as soon as the surface dries I would have told him to use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold.

So are you now selling sealers?  Because I thought the sample you sent me had been knocked up by a chemist friend you know?


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[chris scott]

Not wet look or shiney ...but my prefered protection for indian sandstone is Teflon.
Be very careful what you apply to Indian sandstone outside as it is rarely dry enough.It is also very porus and allows moisture from the substrate below to rise through it.
Sealers (in the traditional sense ) are not ideal for this material for longevity of protection.
 My number is 07973216502 if you require any advice on the matter.

Chris

You have gone off Topic again!  The original post was for a stone enhancer and that was the advice I gave.  If he had asked for a water based sealer that can be applied as soon as the surface dries I would have told him to use Aqua Mix Sealers Choice Gold.

So are you now selling sealers?  Because I thought the sample you sent me had been knocked up by a chemist friend you know?


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev I don,t sell sealers ..but i do apply them.
The sample you and Roger received were knocked up by my mate in his shed.You and Roger have way more experience than me regarding different products on different substrates hence i picked you two to give me feedback on it...you have and i thank you for that.Roger as yet has not.
In your experience what is the biggest cause of "sealer" failure? The product itself or the application technique?

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

Roger what do use to seal indian stone? Ive got a few hundred mteres to do for a customer.
Thanks Simon

[Roger Oakley]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

You and I know what is dry...what most people consider dry is not (in the context of this thread). This is when most problems occur. I for one have stripped several natural stone jobs this season that have gone wrong... i know of one experienced forum user who is going through problems due to damp stone/wrong "sealer".  It's not the sealers that fail...it's operator error...hence steering the gentleman towards "waterbased" damp tolerant easy to use products.
You yourself have mentioned in your post the surface needs to be dry...twice!
Life would be more difficult for him if it all goes wrong.
How is the testing of the sample i sent you?

I know you & I know what dry is, and what joe public thinks dry is.... seeing as the OP is a carpet cleaner then he should understand what dry is, but I wasn't answering him my reply was to you. I do agree with you that most failed sealers I see are application error, usually people rushing things or not understanding how they work.
Re the test sample you sent, I am hoping to start applying it and some others I have this weekend, as I really haven't had the time due to our work load so sorry for the delay.
The test will be of Sandstone that is in situation so it will give me a better view then just a odd sample of stone laying around.

[Roger Oakley]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

Roger what do use to seal indian stone? Ive got a few hundred mteres to do for a customer.
Thanks Simon

You have a few choices really, Lithofin Stain Stop, Lithofin Stain Stop Plus, Aqua-Mix Enrich and Seal, there are others that are decent, what finish are you looking to active?

[chris scott]

So are you now selling sealers?  Because I thought the sample you sent me had been knocked up by a chemist friend you know?


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

He  has a few thousand litres spare to sell if you are interested .

[finalit]

Chris
I am going to Austria next week to see  a well known company called Finalit who carry out prestige and upmarket ( done the Princess Diana memorial in London). The lady who runs the company is very helpful and will give you sincere feed back on your products instead of slagging you and post rude comments.  You can call me on 07436939067  and I will give you her mailing address to send your sample

[Kev Martin]

Chris
I am going to Austria next week to see  a well known company called Finalit who carry out prestige and upmarket ( done the Princess Diana memorial in London). The lady who runs the company is very helpful and will give you sincere feed back on your products instead of slagging you and post rude comments.  You can call me on 07436939067  and I will give you her mailing address to send your sample

You are back again then?  You just can't help yourself can you?

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

[chris scott]

Chris
I am going to Austria next week to see  a well known company called Finalit who carry out prestige and upmarket ( done the Princess Diana memorial in London). The lady who runs the company is very helpful and will give you sincere feed back on your products instead of slagging you and post rude comments.  You can call me on 07436939067  and I will give you her mailing address to send your sample

Thanks .
Looking at the Finalit range of products .It should be a good test.
I look forward to the results..please feel free to post them publicly
This forum is just entertainment for me...but if i can help someone along the way with a product i have used or offer advice i will do .
Most  "professionals" on here treat me as a d***head. Where as  Kevin requested a sample to test along with the relevant paper work and due respect to Kevin he has given me an honest appraisal of the product via the communication i have had with him.
I thought with his experience of the products on the market it also would be a good test. He has taken the time and trouble to test this product for me... he did not have to. So for this i thank him.

[Kev Martin]

Chris

If you get involved do it at your own peril.  The poster is Amir Patwa.  He is back despite being banned several times.  He has done the Finalit course and thinks he is the B all and end all he is even using their company name as his user name.

This is no slur at all on Finalit who are a very reputable company based in Austria.  If you want Finalit to test products I will give you Margaret Leidingers telephone number and you can deal with her direct as she speaks fluent English.  She will then get her Dad Kurt to test the products.  I could give you his number but he doesn't speak English that well. 

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Roger Oakley]

Chris,

Finally have had time to do some sealer comparison tests.
Your is not a colour enhancing sealer is it? if it is it didn't work like a enhancing sealer.
It applied well slightly thicker then others used in the testing.

The surface being used is Indian Sandstone, and the products being used are, yours, Aqua-mix enrich & seal, Resiblock Sandstone sealer (colour enhanced) and both Lithofin's Stain Stops 1 sealer & 1 colour enhanced sealer.
I'll let the weather do it's worst over the next couple of months and let you know how it compares.

[chris scott]

No it's not a colour enhancer (it should be virtually invisible). it's more for repelling stains  and preventing the ingress of water ,diesel etc You should apply liberally wet on wet to saturation point. At this point the substrate can absorb no more and the sealer will start to "pool" on the surface. This should be removed (excess).
Cheers!

[Roger Oakley]

I have done all sealers as a 1 coat to see how they work out, yes it does dry to almost invisible finish. Just did a water test on the test areas, (8 hours after applications) yours dry's the quickest along with the Resiblock, followed by both Lithofins and lastly the Aqua-Mix, all the sealers seam to bead up well when wet, so doing their job so far.

[finalit]

Chriss Tileforum is running a brainstorming session on concrete floor, granite bush hammered black Zimbabwe slab, limestone, slate slab all to be polished to a factory finish using 6 different grinding machines. It's being held on the yard of London Stone & New Image stone
You can go on the Tilingforum to get details it's on 27th July you can call me on 07436939067 if you need further help. You can bring in your sealers which will be tested by Tom Wiseman

[Roger Oakley]

Chris
If you need contact details of anyone at London Stone just let me know as we have been helping them for years, so know the owners very well.

[chris scott]

I have done all sealers as a 1 coat to see how they work out, yes it does dry to almost invisible finish. Just did a water test on the test areas, (8 hours after applications) yours dry's the quickest along with the Resiblock, followed by both Lithofins and lastly the Aqua-Mix, all the sealers seam to bead up well when wet, so doing their job so far.

One of the "design parameters" was easy of use. To eliminate Operator/weather error and also to ensure foot traffic could be returned to the area as soon as possible. The area can be used virtually straight away although full curing takes much longer
When it/they have cured fully try hot engine or diesel on them see how they repel something like that.

[Roger Oakley]

London stone was started on march of this year and they have just received their water jet and table saw last month. It's a new company so you may be mistaking them with some one else.The new company is owned by Polish!!!

Unless you are talking about a different London Stone, then you are very wrong. Where about's is the"London Stone" you are talking about based?

[Roger Oakley]

I have done all sealers as a 1 coat to see how they work out, yes it does dry to almost invisible finish. Just did a water test on the test areas, (8 hours after applications) yours dry's the quickest along with the Resiblock, followed by both Lithofins and lastly the Aqua-Mix, all the sealers seam to bead up well when wet, so doing their job so far.

One of the "design parameters" was easy of use. To eliminate Operator/weather error and also to ensure foot traffic could be returned to the area as soon as possible. The area can be used virtually straight away although full curing takes much longer
When it/they have cured fully try hot engine or diesel on them see how they repel something like that.

I would Chris but unless I empty some engine oil over the paving in my back garden I won't be doing that test, plus Mrs O wouldn't be to pleased!!!
I quick question have you done test's on block paving with this? would it be a sand binder as well as a sealer?

[chris scott]

No.... It will not bind sand.
It s mainly for stain resistance,ingress of fluids etc.
It has very good resilience to chewing gum and graffiti making removal a lot easier . It will not break down at high temperature (up to around 300c) and unaffected by most chemicals so ideal for environments were  continuous cleaning etc is taking place.
The down side we have nothing to remove it when its has being applied!

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Chris how much are you selling it for?

[chris scott]

I,m not selling it .
Kevin martin has a range of products  that are suitable for sandstone if you have a job on.

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Ok can you send me 75l to do some testing with. I will give you some valid feedback.

[chris scott]

Ok can you send me 75l to do some testing with. I will give you some valid feedback.

400sqm is a big test patch...how will you get it off if it goes wrong. I will send you 750ml try a little corner first

[Kev Martin]

London stone was started on march of this year and they have just received their water jet and table saw last month. It's a new company so you may be mistaking them with some one else.The new company is owned by Polish!!!

Amir

You should be able to run them ragged then and take serious advantage!!!

K Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Rob_Mac]

Chris

What are the credentials of your 'man in his shed', is there a COSHH sheet and there has to be a little more to this set up than you are letting on.

It would be good to get a non flowered - actual tale of the chemicals that you are offering as samples.

A genuine enquiry

Rob

[chris scott]

Chris

What are the credentials of your 'man in his shed', is there a COSHH sheet and there has to be a little more to this set up than you are letting on.

It would be good to get a non flowered - actual tale of the chemicals that you are offering as samples.

A genuine enquiry

Rob

The "man in the shed" is an industrial chemist ....The product is a Fluoropolymer, the raw ingredients made by DuPont.  Data sheets are available.
What do you want to use it for i will tell you if it is applicable?
"A genuine enquiry"  How was your holiday ? ....the pictures looked fantastic!

[Roger Oakley]

London stone was started on march of this year and they have just received their water jet and table saw last month. It's a new company so you may be mistaking them with some one else.The new company is owned by Polish!!!

Amir

You should be able to run them ragged then and take serious advantage!!!

K Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

And I have still not had an answer as to "who" this "London Stone" is?

[Rob_Mac]

See

We can have a sensible conversation!!

The holiday was one of the best I have had!!

I have multiple avenues for a decent surface protector, from your contact or kevin and or another.

I would suspect it would cope with or be one of, for, walls, block, slab, concrete, the usual!

Maybe a sample or would that be pushing the relationship, too soon?

I am working to try and gain over 4000m2 of high street cleaning, with another forum member.

It would be nice to offer a sealer option.

Rob

[chris scott]

http://www.urbansurfaceprotection.com
This will give you an insight into the technology behind it. Anybody interested could purchase smaller amounts from them with full back up and support (I have no connection with them). For larger amounts and/or own label there are other options.

[Matt Gibson]

Now thats how you apply sealer!! 

[chris scott]

Ease of use ..eliminate  user error!

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

Roger what do use to seal indian stone? Ive got a few hundred mteres to do for a customer.
Thanks Simon

You have a few choices really, Lithofin Stain Stop, Lithofin Stain Stop Plus, Aqua-Mix Enrich and Seal, there are others that are decent, what finish are you looking to active?

Roger most of my customers just want to enhance the colour as it appears when it is wet.
I have just been back to one I applied resiblock colour enhancer to last year and when I pressure washed it loads of the sealer came of in patches it now looks shocking. So been put of using that so thats why I want an alternative for future jobs.

[Roger Oakley]

Chris,
You do talk some bo""cks at times mate, Indian Sandstone is one of the easiest natural stones to seal IMO, I have sealed very many metres of it, so it does dry out with no problems, might depend if you are using a crap sealer that will fail, but if you are using a decent product and the surface is dry, then no problems, why do you like to make things difficult for people.

Roger what do use to seal indian stone? Ive got a few hundred mteres to do for a customer.
Thanks Simon

You have a few choices really, Lithofin Stain Stop, Lithofin Stain Stop Plus, Aqua-Mix Enrich and Seal, there are others that are decent, what finish are you looking to active?

Roger most of my customers just want to enhance the colour as it appears when it is wet.
I have just been back to one I applied resiblock colour enhancer to last year and when I pressure washed it loads of the sealer came of in patches it now looks shocking. So been put of using that so thats why I want an alternative for future jobs.

The Resiblock is on test for me at the moment so haven't had that issue, but for me sealing Sandstone then either Aqua-Mix enrich & seal or Lithofin Stain Stop Plus are my preferred products as both are colour enhancers.

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal if you want the best:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=69

or
8
LTP Colour Intensifier & Stain Block:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=93

Check the coverage on both products because the Aqua Mix goes a lot further and is actually less money in the long run.  It also out performs the LTP both in appearance and longevity!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

Kevin, what coverage do you get from these products?

[Kev Martin]

Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal if you want the best:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=69

or
8
LTP Colour Intensifier & Stain Block:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=93

Check the coverage on both products because the Aqua Mix goes a lot further and is actually less money in the long run.  It also out performs the LTP both in appearance and longevity!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

Kevin, what coverage do you get from these products?

Simon

Coverages in attached links mate

http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/products/aqua-mix/enhancers/aqua-mix-enrich-n-seal.aspx
Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal
12.5 M2 per Litre worst to 37M2 Per Litre Best

http://ltp-online.co.uk/images/tds-Colour_Intensifier.pdf
LTP CI & SB
2.5 M2 Per litre worst to 10M2 per litre best

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Roger this is Gabriel my tel # is 07436939067. London Stone do not know you.

Amir

You obviously think Roger is as stupid as you!!!!


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Roger Oakley]

Roger this is Gabriel my tel # is 07436939067. London Stone do not know you.

I don't know who you are, but you still haven't answered my question of where this "London Stone" you are talking about is based.

[Forum Admin]

Apologies guys,

It seems Amir signed up under yet another pseudonym; Patricia, Amir, ChemspecLtd, Gabriel....what next!

[Kev Martin]

Roger this is Gabriel my tel # is 07436939067. London Stone do not know you.

I don't know who you are, but you still haven't answered my question of where this "London Stone" you are talking about is based.

Roger

It is probably a figment of his weird imagination like all the other rubbish that comes out of him!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Roger Oakley]

Roger this is Gabriel my tel # is 07436939067. London Stone do not know you.

I don't know who you are, but you still haven't answered my question of where this "London Stone" you are talking about is based.

Roger

It is probably a figment of his weird imagination like all the other rubbish that comes out of him!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Hi Kevin,
Sorry I don't know who this guy is?

[Kev Martin]

Roger this is Gabriel my tel # is 07436939067. London Stone do not know you.

I don't know who you are, but you still haven't answered my question of where this "London Stone" you are talking about is based.

It is probably a figment of his weird imagination like all the other rubbish that comes out of him!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Hi Kevin,
Sorry I don't know who this guy is?

Roger

His name is Amir Patwa he keeps coming on the Forum under different names and attacks my posts.  Essentially he is a very jealous individual who resents the fact that we are the UK Klindex Distributors as he is and he can't handle it!  He then lies and spreads malicious gossip via e mail as many on here will tell you who have experienced his malicious correspondence

Hence this post from Forum Admin

It seems Amir signed up under yet another pseudonym; Patricia, Amir, ChemspecLtd, Gabriel....what next!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

[Knocker]

Many years ago my brother and i used to do the ocasional window cleaning job for an Asian man who was called mr Patwa.
He used to look after the stone in some very upmarket houses in central London, and he would use us to clean the windows when necessary (he would talk to us like we were sh**t, but paid good money)

One day he asked us to clean the windows on this huge house in St Johns Wood London. We arranged to clean the windows at the same time as he cleaned the marble floor. After about 2 hours we were cleaning the windows upstairs while he was using a rotary machine on the ground floor marble. All of a suden i heard a loud bang and a scream, so i had a look downstairs and Mr Patwa was sitting with his head in his hands and shouting to himself, his machine had crashed into a full lenth floor to ceiling mirror and smashed all over the floor. The customer was very very sad.

This was over 20 years ago, so i am not sure if it is the same guy.

[Roger Oakley]

A lovely individual by the sound of it 

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal if you want the best:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=69

or

LTP Colour Intensifier & Stain Block:

http://www.tilinglogistics.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=60&product_id=93

Check the coverage on both products because the Aqua Mix goes a lot further and is actually less money in the long run.  It also out performs the LTP both in appearance and longevity!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

Kevin, what coverage do you get from these products?

Simon

Coverages in attached links mate

http://www.custombuildingproducts.com/products/aqua-mix/enhancers/aqua-mix-enrich-n-seal.aspx
Aqua Mix Enrich N Seal
12.5 M2 per Litre worst to 37M2 Per Litre Best

http://ltp-online.co.uk/images/tds-Colour_Intensifier.pdf
LTP CI & SB
2.5 M2 Per litre worst to 10M2 per litre best

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kevin do you have a trade price or just the price on your web?
Simon

[Kev Martin]

Call the office on 0121 705 5333 and wé will set you up with a trade account

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics Ltd