Kev Martin

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2013, 12:02:49 am »
So in your opinion Kevin is it a floor Renovation system rather than a Restoration system?

Jamie

I know he is a friend of yours mate and believe me I have been kind but it is another floor system  that is highly over rated.  I can only re-iterate What i have said hundreds of times before. There is no quick or efficient Way to grind & hone a floor other than metal sintered diamonds fitted to a high speed planetario system.  Mate if such a system was available do you think I would spend £1000's on  Klindex systems.


Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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Jamie Pearson

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2013, 09:20:46 am »
First chance I will get to see them will be tomorrow at The Cleaning Show.

Did you run them on a Rocky?

Floor_Tony

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2013, 11:56:00 am »
Ran it on a levi Jamie as the suggested weight for these pads are 60Kg
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Jamie Pearson

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2013, 12:41:02 pm »
Thanks

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2013, 11:19:25 am »
Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I ordered a set of Cheetahs after getting the chance to run them at the cleaning show yesterday.

I like what I saw. The true test will be onsite as we know.

Will report back our experiences with them.

StoneSealersHQ

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2013, 08:27:51 pm »
Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I ordered a set of Cheetahs after getting the chance to run them at the cleaning show yesterday.

I like what I saw. The true test will be onsite as we know.

Will report back our experiences with them.

Did you order a full set Jamie?

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2013, 08:31:53 pm »
Initially it was the show package but some elements I don't need so will get the full set from him.

martin shelley

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2013, 09:29:12 pm »
please see below my responses in Red to Kevins comments the other day about the cheetah system. 
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Paul

We have just spent 4 hours testing this system!
Firstly, only myself and Antony used the pads.  You were in the office for the duration of the time.  Antony ran step 1 around 40 seconds to a minute and I proceed on with step2, 3 and 4 all for less than 60 seconds per pad.  Maybe this was a miss print and you meant testing for 4 minutes,

In a nutshell this is the latest offering from the Revolutionary Cheetah Pads System!

Stage 1         Is so noisy it's unbearable and gives an uneven diamond wear and the wear rate on a cararra marble was phenomenal and it doesn't remove lippage effectively.
Yes I agree, the step 1 is noisy, but no more than a wet vac or portable machine in a customers home.  it is evident that 2 of the pads appear to have colour faded on the pads, were as the other 2 look fresher.  Maybe this is due the machine I have been running them on as it my not be running perfectly flat and causing uneven wear. 
I believe we ran step one across the cararra and as antony called it "the turkish S**t.  We then continued through step 2,3 and 4 on only the turkish S**t .  after step 1, I said to anthony that the joint between the tiles was flat and smooth, but he said you have milled it down with a Levi, so there was no lippage, so lippage removal cannot be taken into account if this is the case.


Stage  2         The floor wasn't really good enough to move on to this stage but we did and results were no better than Cheetah Pads.
Step 2 was run on the turkish Sh*t.  Antony calls it this as he said it doesn't polish with powders and that you need to create a shine by using on diamond.  He said he found this out when working on it and had to use a crystallizer to pop a shine.  After step 2 i informed Antony that the floor should now be at a 800/1200 grit finish, but he said it looks more like a 400, but its hard to tell, as this stone doesn't polish well.

Stages 3 & 4   Would probably work on a perfectly flat floor but so would any other make of pad within reason.
Step 3 and 4 popped a nice shine on the floor, Antony said the result was good, although the makeup of the stone made it hard to tell how good the finish really was as it has pin prick like features.

Please be aware that this information is based on our tests on a Real Test Floor with very minor lippage under 1mm and is our Opinion Only. Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I think that people should make their own mind up based on a demonstration and possibly you could make you opinion up Kevin based on a full demonstration you see yourself. 
I am all for people discussing systems on forums, but I have been alert to this post by a number of people, and I can't stand by and let you make claims that aren't true and that you did not see for yourself.  If Antony had have posted these comments on his own account, then when people rang me, I would have said, ok, if that his opinion, based on what he saw, on the that stone, that would have been fine. But a post like this can be very damaging to people brands and business and only right that people are a wear of what me and Antony, discussed the other day when running the pads.

StoneSealersHQ

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2013, 09:57:17 pm »
That paints a whole different picture Martin. Did you have any photos from the test?

martin shelley

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2013, 10:07:42 pm »
no pictures im afraid, but its not my place to take pics and promote them.  im just a happy end user of the pads and I popped in for a brew with Antony and showed him the pads on good faith.  I am just disappointed with the way they portrayed the pads on the post and I just wanted to voice my opinion.  that's all I wish to say on the matter     

StoneSealersHQ

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2013, 08:37:27 am »
Fair point Martin, do you have any examples of your work using these pads, I think users of the forum would be genuinely interested in seeing them.

Kev Martin

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #51 on: March 23, 2013, 11:31:55 am »
no pictures im afraid, but its not my place to take pics and promote them.  im just a happy end user of the pads and I popped in for a brew with Antony and showed him the pads on good faith.  I am just disappointed with the way they portrayed the pads on the post and I just wanted to voice my opinion.  that's all I wish to say on the matter     

Martin

OK lets put this into perspective!

1.  I wasn't there I asked Antony for a full report on the system and the post I wrote was accurate!
2.  You may think you only popped in for a Brew but you were there for hours Not minutes in fact it was close to 7pm when you left.
3.  I do not tell lies or exaggerate!
4.  Finally the system is no better than the hundreds of similar systems I have seen! 
5.  It is overpriced and produces average results!
6.  I have planetario systems that are cheaper and that produce far better results!

I am sick to death of people ringing me that have done other courses begging me for advice on how to restore floors because course tutors have made ridiculous claims

So I will say it again for you!

THERE IS NO SYSTEM THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT WILL REMOVE LIPPAGE AND GRIND THE REST OF THE TILE FLAT OTHER THAN A HIGH SPEED PLANETARIO SYSTEM.  THIS SYSTEM ESPECIALLY WILL NOT GET CLOSE!

The fact of the matter is this system does not do what the seller claims it does and therefore I feel I have a duty to bring it to the attention of Forum Members for what it is!

Finally I tried to be a lot gentler with my first post and let people make their own minds up!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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StoneSealersHQ

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #52 on: March 23, 2013, 01:29:36 pm »
Kevin whilst I agree a planetary is a great bit of kit and does remove lippage very effectively, it is by no means the only way to completely remove lippage.

Graeme Smith

Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #53 on: March 23, 2013, 01:50:10 pm »
Whats the alternative system to remove lippage I am assuming it will be slower

Kev Martin

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #54 on: March 23, 2013, 02:05:01 pm »
Kevin whilst I agree a planetary is a great bit of kit and does remove lippage very effectively, it is by no means the only way to completely remove lippage.

Dave

I said that I have seen!  So which other system have you seen other than Planetary that removes lippage effectively and quickly?  What do you use?

Kev
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StoneSealersHQ

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #55 on: March 23, 2013, 03:08:20 pm »
You can remove lippage with even the most basic of machines, you just need to have the correct diamonds and weight. Whilst it may not be quite as fast as plantetary the finish is no worse and cost considerably less.

As for what I use, I still have a sweet spot for an old floor machine I've used for 10+ years. Nothing special but it pays for itself with every day it is used. The company which makes my concrete machines is also working on a 220v floor machine for me, which comes in at 140 kg with the weights on.

Kev Martin

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #56 on: March 23, 2013, 05:48:43 pm »
You can remove lippage with even the most basic of machines, you just need to have the correct diamonds and weight. Whilst it may not be quite as fast as plantetary the finish is no worse and cost considerably less.

As for what I use, I still have a sweet spot for an old floor machine I've used for 10+ years. Nothing special but it pays for itself with every day it is used. The company which makes my concrete machines is also working on a 220v floor machine for me, which comes in at 140 kg with the weights on.

So based on a 100M2 of lets say Alicante Rojo Marble laid chequerboard 600 x 600 x 12mm with various lippage between 1-3mm how long would that take you to grind, hone & polish up to around 75 reading on gm at 60 angle using your old floor machine which I assume is a mono rotary with around 175 rpm.
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Dana Kothrade

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #57 on: March 23, 2013, 06:14:08 pm »
This thread has been fun to watch. It's always interesting to see how aggressive some people get when new technology threatens what they sell. Kev, your assumptions (that's all they are since no actual scientific analysis has been done by you) are completely unfounded. Claims that the new Cheetah Pucks can't remove lippage, produce average results, are more expensive etc. are all false. But keep posting please. Please don't stop. I am the inventor of the Cheetah Pucks. I have but one goal. Help stone restoration technicians produce better results in less time without using expensive machines and harmful chemicals. If someone makes a living teaching, selling and using these machines and chemicals, obviously my technology threatens them and so they lash out. Cheetah Pucks were developed by working closely with hundreds of stone specialists from several countries. Amazing things can be accomplished with this type of collaborative effort as long as the goal not the ego stays the priority. Post away Kev.

Paul Moss

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #58 on: March 23, 2013, 06:54:59 pm »
Now this should start getting interesting  :)

Jason Smith

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Re: Monster Brushes
« Reply #59 on: March 23, 2013, 07:04:29 pm »
Now this should start getting interseting  :)
Are you rubbing your hands and smirking there Paul  :D
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