Monster Brushes

« **on:** February 21, 2013, 11:00:44 am »

I have had 3 of our customers direct me to the Video on Monster Brushes and asking for my opinion.

They claim they are the fastest stripping system on the planet at £149.95.

They use a slate floor with a topical sealer on! (They do not say which sealer it is or the time frame of application).
They then apply a stripper! (They do not say how long it is on the floor or what brand it is)
They then start up a 150RPM Wirbel Rotary Machine fitted with Drive board with several brushes fitted to it and scrub the floor.
They then vac it and show the slate clean!!!

My opinion is:

I have been teaching an identical practice on our course for nearly 4 years and Marblelife Ltd have been doing the same process on restoring slate and similar riven stone for over 6+ Years using a brush system that costs less than £50.

Kind Regards

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2013, 03:07:31 pm »

I can't see what the problem is Kevin, people will use whatever they want to use. It's up to them to decide, no need for negativity? I received a couple of emails yesterday, no problem to me, Mikes a really nice guy and runs a good course.

« **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2013, 03:23:11 pm »

No difference between someone using a £3k portable to clean a carpet or a £20k truckmount.

There's no single system that people use for any type of cleaning - and rightly so.

« **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2013, 04:08:30 pm »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on February 21, 2013, 03:07:31 pm

I can't see what the problem is Kevin, people will use whatever they want to use. It's up to them to decide, no need for negativity? I received a couple of emails yesterday, no problem to me, Mikes a really nice guy and runs a good course.

Dave

No one said there was a problem, no one mentioned any names!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2013, 04:16:10 pm »

It's really obvious Kevin, loads of people received an email yesterday.

« **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2013, 07:36:03 pm »

All Kevin was doing was voicing his opinion and voicing his opinion on it at no point did Kevin say Mike is a nasty bloke or runs a bad course you bought that into it. So don't understand why you would want to add that into!?

As you have stated a forum is for voicing opinions and to share each other opinions/methods. So there was negativity about the post at all.

So now actually share your thoughts on these brushes! Would you, have you bought them?

« **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2013, 08:58:44 pm »

Tony,

I was stating that I had no problem with mike sending me emails to promote his new brushes, he's a nice guy, l like him, a good businessman.

It doesn't matter whether Kevin mentioned mikes name or not, he left enough details in there for the people in the know, to know who he was talking about. Believe me everyone knew within minutes. And those who weren't aware, would do so with a quick google search.

Would I buy his brushes? No because I already have my own brushes. Would they work? Of course, there's half as much surface area, so there's double the point pressure. They look like 46g tynex filaments so they should cut.

I'm not going to speculate on how much better they are, if the price is right etc etc. at the end of the day it is a product that someone will either purchase or not. I'm not against people having an opinion, that's what a forum is for.

Digging out on someone to promote your own wares which is basically what this thread is about, smacks of negativity and desperation. Face it, you'll always have competitors, how you respond and deal with it, is how you will be remembered. As a negative or positive influence, you decide.

Just my opinion....

« **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:03:36 pm »

Quote from: Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus) on February 21, 2013, 03:23:11 pm

No difference between someone using a £3k portable to clean a carpet or a £20k truckmount.

There's no single system that people use for any type of cleaning - and rightly so.

Perfect quote Steve, sad that some people only believe in there own hype!!

« **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:14:46 pm »

I received a set today.

They are frankfurt segments with diamond impregnated filaments.

Not used them yet but have a good test for them in the next week or so and will report back with how they compare to our traditional method.

« **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:24:19 pm »

We never had the e-mail! We have been sent it by three separate E-mails sent to him asking for his opinion, I myself have had two calls about them and asked my opinion, Kevin thought instead of whispering about them it would make for discussion. And believe me there is no desperation needed only you show that through your fake persona.

Coincidence really that you and Jason both join at the same time and attack Kevin in anyway you can.

So your flavour of the month is Universeal at the moment, few months a go it was DryTreat before that your own brand I look forward to see what the next is......

« **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:43:14 pm »

It's no coincidence Tony, both Dave & I work together like you & your Dad. We just thought it would be a good idea to join the forum and offer our expanse of knowledge and experience to the members.

We do accept whilst offering advice we did mention our brand without paying for advertising, that mistake has now been sorted so hopefully no need for anymore complaints or post deletions.

« **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2013, 09:51:57 pm »

What happened to aquaseal stc?

« **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2013, 10:08:56 pm »

Aqual Seal (All for stone) is still around and we still stock it. Long story short there was not enough in the range to satisfy the quickly depleting stock of Aqua Mix. Kevin acted the find a replacement after months of testing other products not just the ones available in the UK but others as well as a couple of manufacturers Kevin made a decision whether you agree or not that Aqua Mix is still the best out there. So he sent a e-mail requesting to reconsider there position again long story short and unexpectedly they said yes.

As for Ian Taylor (All for stone) we have a lot of respect for him and I'm sure he will produce a great range and we look forward to his new products and still stock and will continue to stock it.

« **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2013, 10:25:53 pm »

Fair enough, good luck with it as we all know Aqua Mix is a premium product range of very good quality, but certainly not the only premium brand nor best by a long chalk.

In my opinion there are a number of brands that out perform Aqua Mix, for one the UK market leader Lithofin offers greater value for money and product quality. I know you will reply strongly disagreeing I would expect you to defend your brand. But believe me we have tested all the sealers we can get our hands on recently and lets just say they aren't No 1 for nothing.

With respect I know you guys also do a lot of testing but we have the tools to complete more thorough testing, using a mass spectrometer can tell you a lot about the quality of an stone Impregnator.

Just my opinion Tony, I don't want to debate about it that's my opinion and we already been there and we know where you stand on this.

« **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2013, 10:36:10 pm »

Of course ill disagree I wouldn't expect anything different from you to say it is not the best!

As for the debate I love them, All the big fancy equipment does not interest me as you know it what works on the road and for the individual.

Aqua Mix deserves a lot of respect they were the first company to do what they did water-based wise and still are market leaders maybe not in the UK at the moment (sales) wise. At the end of the day it is a professional and as you stated a premium product.

« **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2013, 10:54:25 pm »

Can't disagree and I did say premium product, the trouble is technology doesn't stay new for long. I agree they were the first to do what they did with water based technology but what you need to know Tony is the Fluorine Chemists all talk and it doesn't take long to catch up.

The problem you have is you have a great product which is over priced. Trouble is there are products out there now that can match Aqua Mix and are 30% less expensive. Mark my words over the next couple of years stone sealers are going to become cheaper and cheaper and the quality will not be compromised. The same thing is going to happen as it did with the tile adhesive market, it all used to be about BAL, Ardex, PCI etc, now there isn't such a thing as a crap tile adhesive. The same will happen to the sealer market, people will realise that the leaders in technology have been making to much money for to long and the technology has been match at a fraction of the cost. As we all know its very difficult for the big brands to slash there prices, they have no option but to stick to there guns and keep pushing superiority, but people have become cute especially in tough economic times.

Without the fancy machinery us manufacturers cannot produce the product that works in the field.

« **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:01:56 pm »

So you have your own factory then. You physically run it and employ? Or pay chemists to make your products then import them?

« **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:02:12 pm »

Quote from: Jason Smith on February 21, 2013, 10:25:53 pm

Fair enough, good luck with it as we all know Aqua Mix is a premium product range of very good quality, but certainly not the only premium brand nor best by a long chalk.

In my opinion there are a number of brands that out perform Aqua Mix, for one the UK market leader Lithofin offers greater value for money and product quality. I know you will reply strongly disagreeing I would expect you to defend your brand. But believe me we have tested all the sealers we can get our hands on recently and lets just say they aren't No 1 for nothing.

With respect I know you guys also do a lot of testing but we have the tools to complete more thorough testing, using a mass spectrometer can tell you a lot about the quality of an stone Impregnator.

Just my opinion Tony, I don't want to debate about it that's my opinion and we already been there and we know where you stand on this.

Jason

Now We are beginning to get down to it. If your opinion is so low of the Aqua Mix brand It is a shame You spent so long trying to replicate the product perhaps you should now try replicating Lithofin now instead as you seem to think so highly of it. I am sorry you are so bitter about me not backing your brand I decided LTP was the brand I needed to carry for my DIY customers One thing is for certain Aqua Mix Professional Products has been around for well over 35 years and it will still be around long after Universeal is gone.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:06:41 pm »

Whoa, steady guys, we have experienced people on all sides here who we can glean info and techniques from for the better of the stone care world. Lets not fall out peace

« **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:16:37 pm »

That's a very bitter post Kev, from what I've read Jason has wrote that Aquamix is a premium product and very good quality; just not the best. His opinion.

Personally I do rate the aquamix sealers (apart from enrich & seal), good quality but expensive for today's market. Just my opinion.

« **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:18:52 pm »

Kevin, can you not read I have complimented Aqua Mix plenty of times in my replies. Your trouble is you think your still in the Army and know one can have an opinion without you getting rude and aggressive. We both know the truth Kevin, your the one that got upset when I didn't send you a price list, that was my tactile way of telling you we didn't want or need you on board and that's why you make everything so personal.

Your rudeness & insults just make me more determined, thanks.

« **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2013, 11:39:12 pm »

Quote from: Floor_Tony on February 21, 2013, 11:01:56 pm

So you have your own factory then. You physically run it and employ? Or pay chemists to make your products then import them?

Yes Tony we manufacture everything in house, we do not import anything, we employ factory staff and pay chemist to formulate all our own very unique formulas no copies of other branded products. That said, it has been brought to our attention that certain people have insinuated that we sell our products based on copies of other brands, this is wholly untrue and any slanderous comments against our company will not be tolerated and treated very seriously.

« **Reply #22 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:00:39 am »

Jason / Dave

I am not responding to any more of either of your posts. You are dragging this brilliant forum into the gutter. I have just realised that by replying to You I am playing right into your hands and you are getting What you wanted in the beginning which is free advertising for a product that is not selling.

This is my final word on any subject with either of You on this Forum. If you wish to say anything else to me I suggest you E Mail me direct .

K Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #23 on:** February 22, 2013, 12:15:37 am »

Fair enough, your decision might be for the best until things cool.

We can now prove our worth by adding valued unbias posts.

Regarding advertising I don't expect any free advertisment. It is something I would definitely like to do to support this brilliant forum, it should now be possible without conflict, now that you have promised to stop communicating with us.

« **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2013, 09:00:01 pm »

and i thought the carpet side was bitter

« **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2013, 09:37:59 pm »

Its called HARD floor for a reason Paul !

« **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2013, 09:58:03 pm »

We got side tracked, I think we'd all still be interested to know how you get on with the new brushes when you do get around to using them?

« **Reply #27 on:** March 10, 2013, 08:58:44 pm »

...so, what about the monster brushes?

How monster are they?
What size are they?
How much are they?
What grit/grade do they come in? $:-\$

« **Reply #28 on:** March 15, 2013, 04:28:59 pm »

Forget the brushes looks like there is a new daddy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1jt11f0lmM&feature=share

« **Reply #29 on:** March 15, 2013, 06:08:08 pm »

Its gonne be interesting. Had some good feedback on these. Things have moved on with these massively since they were first introduced to the UK.

With regard to the Monster brushes the job we were to trial them on didint go ahead.
We did use them on a victorian tile floor covered in glue that went really well with them.

The pics are on our facebook page www.facebook.com/absolutefloorcare

« **Reply #30 on:** March 15, 2013, 06:31:15 pm »

Jamie those pictures are superb.

« **Reply #31 on:** March 16, 2013, 08:51:24 pm »

So, no ones got any news on the monster brushes then?

« **Reply #32 on:** March 16, 2013, 09:24:30 pm »

I have them in 3 grades. 36 / 60 / 120 I think they are.

They are frankfurt segments, 5 to a board.

I am not sure what the list price is on them but I do know Nu-Life have a special on them at the cleaning show.

These are the pics from our Facebook page www.facebook.com/absolutefloorcare

« **Reply #33 on:** March 16, 2013, 10:50:15 pm »

Great results, nice work... before and after looks very good

« **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2013, 10:02:48 am »

Jamie

The floor looks in superb condition even in the before. What contaminants were involved? What was the process you used?

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2013, 10:10:38 am »

Hi Kevin,

It had about 10 damaged layers of roll and stroll carpet protector on it.

The site agent just kept sticking another layer and another layer etc etc on it.

Aquamix sealing and coating remover. Then scrubbed with each grade of brushes. Rinsed and finished with Dry Treat Enhance Plus.

We would have used some Aquamix Enrich n Seal but it hadnt come into stock by that point as the pallet got held up by snow.

Its possibly not the best demo of these brushes. Its the only job we have used them on so far.

« **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2013, 09:50:58 pm »

Looks like hard floor cleaning/restoration is coming of age or should I say easier

wait for the invasion!

Shaun

« **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2013, 10:18:20 pm »

Quote from: Shaun_Ashmore on March 17, 2013, 09:50:58 pm

Looks like hard floor cleaning/restoration is coming of age or should I say easier wait for the invasion!

Shaun

Not really Shaun we have had a system on test for over a year with 15 different grits of brushes. It is just that there are some flaws in the system we still need to overcome! I am not prepared to launch anything that does not work a 100%!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #38 on:** March 18, 2013, 06:31:06 pm »

Quote from: Paul Moss on March 15, 2013, 04:28:59 pm

Forget the brushes looks like there is a new daddy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1jt11f0lmM&feature=share

Paul

We have just spent 4 hours testing this system!

In a nutshell this is the latest offering from the Revolutionary Cheetah Pads System!

Stage 1 Is so noisy it's unbearable and gives an uneven diamond wear and the wear rate on a cararra marble was phenomenal and it doesn't remove lippage effectively.
Stage 2 The floor wasn't really good enough to move on to this stage but we did and results were no better than Cheetah Pads.

Stages 3 & 4 Would probably work on a perfectly flat floor but so would any other make of pad within reason.

Please be aware that this information is based on our tests on a Real Test Floor with very minor lippage under 1mm and is our Opinion Only. Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #39 on:** March 18, 2013, 11:19:06 pm »

So in your opinion Kevin is it a floor Renovation system rather than a Restoration system?

« **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2013, 12:02:49 am »

Quote from: CleaningSystemsUK on March 18, 2013, 11:19:06 pm

So in your opinion Kevin is it a floor Renovation system rather than a Restoration system?

Jamie

I know he is a friend of yours mate and believe me I have been kind but it is another floor system that is highly over rated. I can only re-iterate What i have said hundreds of times before. There is no quick or efficient Way to grind & hone a floor other than metal sintered diamonds fitted to a high speed planetario system. Mate if such a system was available do you think I would spend £1000's on Klindex systems.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #41 on:** March 19, 2013, 09:20:46 am »

First chance I will get to see them will be tomorrow at The Cleaning Show.

Did you run them on a Rocky?

« **Reply #42 on:** March 19, 2013, 11:56:00 am »

Ran it on a levi Jamie as the suggested weight for these pads are 60Kg

« **Reply #43 on:** March 19, 2013, 12:41:02 pm »

Thanks

« **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2013, 11:19:25 am »

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 18, 2013, 06:31:06 pm

Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I ordered a set of Cheetahs after getting the chance to run them at the cleaning show yesterday.

I like what I saw. The true test will be onsite as we know.

Will report back our experiences with them.

« **Reply #45 on:** March 22, 2013, 08:27:51 pm »

Quote from: CleaningSystemsUK on March 22, 2013, 11:19:25 am

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 18, 2013, 06:31:06 pm
Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I ordered a set of Cheetahs after getting the chance to run them at the cleaning show yesterday.

I like what I saw. The true test will be onsite as we know.

Will report back our experiences with them.

Did you order a full set Jamie?

« **Reply #46 on:** March 22, 2013, 08:31:53 pm »

Initially it was the show package but some elements I don't need so will get the full set from him.

« **Reply #47 on:** March 22, 2013, 09:29:12 pm »

please see below my responses in Red to Kevins comments the other day about the cheetah system.
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Paul

We have just spent 4 hours testing this system!
Firstly, only myself and Antony used the pads. You were in the office for the duration of the time. Antony ran step 1 around 40 seconds to a minute and I proceed on with step2, 3 and 4 all for less than 60 seconds per pad. Maybe this was a miss print and you meant testing for 4 minutes,

In a nutshell this is the latest offering from the Revolutionary Cheetah Pads System!

Stage 1 Is so noisy it's unbearable and gives an uneven diamond wear and the wear rate on a cararra marble was phenomenal and it doesn't remove lippage effectively.
Yes I agree, the step 1 is noisy, but no more than a wet vac or portable machine in a customers home. it is evident that 2 of the pads appear to have colour faded on the pads, were as the other 2 look fresher. Maybe this is due the machine I have been running them on as it my not be running perfectly flat and causing uneven wear.
I believe we ran step one across the cararra and as antony called it "the turkish S**t. We then continued through step 2,3 and 4 on only the turkish S**t . after step 1, I said to anthony that the joint between the tiles was flat and smooth, but he said you have milled it down with a Levi, so there was no lippage, so lippage removal cannot be taken into account if this is the case.

Stage 2 The floor wasn't really good enough to move on to this stage but we did and results were no better than Cheetah Pads.
Step 2 was run on the turkish Sh*t. Antony calls it this as he said it doesn't polish with powders and that you need to create a shine by using on diamond. He said he found this out when working on it and had to use a crystallizer to pop a shine. After step 2 i informed Antony that the floor should now be at a 800/1200 grit finish, but he said it looks more like a 400, but its hard to tell, as this stone doesn't polish well.

Stages 3 & 4 Would probably work on a perfectly flat floor but so would any other make of pad within reason.
Step 3 and 4 popped a nice shine on the floor, Antony said the result was good, although the makeup of the stone made it hard to tell how good the finish really was as it has pin prick like features.

Please be aware that this information is based on our tests on a Real Test Floor with very minor lippage under 1mm and is our Opinion Only. Anyone contemplating purchase should make their own mind up and their own deductions after seeing a demonstration.

I think that people should make their own mind up based on a demonstration and possibly you could make you opinion up Kevin based on a full demonstration you see yourself.
I am all for people discussing systems on forums, but I have been alert to this post by a number of people, and I can't stand by and let you make claims that aren't true and that you did not see for yourself. If Antony had have posted these comments on his own account, then when people rang me, I would have said, ok, if that his opinion, based on what he saw, on the that stone, that would have been fine. But a post like this can be very damaging to people brands and business and only right that people are a wear of what me and Antony, discussed the other day when running the pads.

« **Reply #48 on:** March 22, 2013, 09:57:17 pm »

That paints a whole different picture Martin. Did you have any photos from the test?

« **Reply #49 on:** March 22, 2013, 10:07:42 pm »

no pictures im afraid, but its not my place to take pics and promote them. im just a happy end user of the pads and I popped in for a brew with Antony and showed him the pads on good faith. I am just disappointed with the way they portrayed the pads on the post and I just wanted to voice my opinion. that's all I wish to say on the matter

« **Reply #50 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:37:27 am »

Fair point Martin, do you have any examples of your work using these pads, I think users of the forum would be genuinely interested in seeing them.

« **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2013, 11:31:55 am »

Quote from: martin shelley on March 22, 2013, 10:07:42 pm

no pictures im afraid, but its not my place to take pics and promote them. im just a happy end user of the pads and I popped in for a brew with Antony and showed him the pads on good faith. I am just disappointed with the way they portrayed the pads on the post and I just wanted to voice my opinion. that's all I wish to say on the matter

Martin

OK lets put this into perspective!

1. I wasn't there I asked Antony for a full report on the system and the post I wrote was accurate!
2. You may think you only popped in for a Brew but you were there for hours Not minutes in fact it was close to 7pm when you left.
3. I do not tell lies or exaggerate!
4. Finally the system is no better than the hundreds of similar systems I have seen!
5. It is overpriced and produces average results!
6. I have planetario systems that are cheaper and that produce far better results!

I am sick to death of people ringing me that have done other courses begging me for advice on how to restore floors because course tutors have made ridiculous claims

So I will say it again for you!

THERE IS NO SYSTEM THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN THAT WILL REMOVE LIPPAGE AND GRIND THE REST OF THE TILE FLAT OTHER THAN A HIGH SPEED PLANETARIO SYSTEM. THIS SYSTEM ESPECIALLY WILL NOT GET CLOSE!

The fact of the matter is this system does not do what the seller claims it does and therefore I feel I have a duty to bring it to the attention of Forum Members for what it is!

Finally I tried to be a lot gentler with my first post and let people make their own minds up!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
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« **Reply #52 on:** March 23, 2013, 01:29:36 pm »

Kevin whilst I agree a planetary is a great bit of kit and does remove lippage very effectively, it is by no means the only way to completely remove lippage.

« **Reply #53 on:** March 23, 2013, 01:50:10 pm »

Whats the alternative system to remove lippage I am assuming it will be slower

« **Reply #54 on:** March 23, 2013, 02:05:01 pm »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on March 23, 2013, 01:29:36 pm

Kevin whilst I agree a planetary is a great bit of kit and does remove lippage very effectively, it is by no means the only way to completely remove lippage.

Dave

I said that I have seen! So which other system have you seen other than Planetary that removes lippage effectively and quickly? What do you use?

Kev

« **Reply #55 on:** March 23, 2013, 03:08:20 pm »

You can remove lippage with even the most basic of machines, you just need to have the correct diamonds and weight. Whilst it may not be quite as fast as plantetary the finish is no worse and cost considerably less.

As for what I use, I still have a sweet spot for an old floor machine I've used for 10+ years. Nothing special but it pays for itself with every day it is used. The company which makes my concrete machines is also working on a 220v floor machine for me, which comes in at 140 kg with the weights on.

« **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2013, 05:48:43 pm »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on March 23, 2013, 03:08:20 pm

You can remove lippage with even the most basic of machines, you just need to have the correct diamonds and weight. Whilst it may not be quite as fast as plantetary the finish is no worse and cost considerably less.

As for what I use, I still have a sweet spot for an old floor machine I've used for 10+ years. Nothing special but it pays for itself with every day it is used. The company which makes my concrete machines is also working on a 220v floor machine for me, which comes in at 140 kg with the weights on.

So based on a 100M2 of lets say Alicante Rojo Marble laid chequerboard 600 x 600 x 12mm with various lippage between 1-3mm how long would that take you to grind, hone & polish up to around 75 reading on gm at 60 angle using your old floor machine which I assume is a mono rotary with around 175 rpm.

« **Reply #57 on:** March 23, 2013, 06:14:08 pm »

This thread has been fun to watch. It's always interesting to see how aggressive some people get when new technology threatens what they sell. Kev, your assumptions (that's all they are since no actual scientific analysis has been done by you) are completely unfounded. Claims that the new Cheetah Pucks can't remove lippage, produce average results, are more expensive etc. are all false. But keep posting please. Please don't stop. I am the inventor of the Cheetah Pucks. I have but one goal. Help stone restoration technicians produce better results in less time without using expensive machines and harmful chemicals. If someone makes a living teaching, selling and using these machines and chemicals, obviously my technology threatens them and so they lash out. Cheetah Pucks were developed by working closely with hundreds of stone specialists from several countries. Amazing things can be accomplished with this type of collaborative effort as long as the goal not the ego stays the priority. Post away Kev.

« **Reply #58 on:** March 23, 2013, 06:54:59 pm »

Now this should start getting interesting

« **Reply #59 on:** March 23, 2013, 07:04:29 pm »

Quote from: Paul Moss on March 23, 2013, 06:54:59 pm

Now this should start getting interseting

Are you rubbing your hands and smirking there Paul

« **Reply #60 on:** March 23, 2013, 07:24:36 pm »

Im waiting to see how this debate goes. I am very interested to find out what really is the best hard floor system on the planet. In this game you learn to read through the bs and hype in regards to suppliers machines, chemicals and products ( no disrespect to any one) but there seems to be lots going on in the hard floor world at the moment and before customers like me go buying newstuff its good to know what actually works like it says on the tin.

So like i posted earlier, l look forward to how this debate goes now that all experts are on board to share their views as that way all b s will be quashed.

« **Reply #61 on:** March 23, 2013, 07:28:00 pm »

Maybe we need to get Harry Hill to test them out side by side.

« **Reply #62 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:04:33 pm »

I definitely welcome a side by side show down as long as the person using the Cheetahs knows how to use them properly. These are totally different technology. The only similarity is that one of many of the ingredients is diamonds. They're very easy to use but if used just like old school diamond discs without understanding how each Cheetah step replaces 3-7 old school diamond disc steps, the speed and results can vary. Maybe Mike Philbin or Martin Shelley will go head to head with Kev and a planetary machine. There's no question that a 30 grit metal bond diamond system on a planetary will flatten a floor faster, its the several steps afterward that must be done to remove that scratch pattern that makes the Cheetah Pucks so amazing. Tis is a more refined approach. While the step-1 pucks will remove deep scratches and lippage, when run properly they leave the floor smoother than a 400 disc so that's essentially metal steps 30-50-100-200, resin steps 100-200-400 all done in one step. Now factor in all the clean up between each step and all those factors easily make the cheetah pucks faster. If you plan to polish with a powder polish you then only need to do Cheetah Puck step two very briefly to remove scratch pattern from step-1 which brings the surface up to around 1200 and then polish with 11,000 grit monkey pad combined with your favorite polish powder (but a lot less than you'd normally use) and you've got an incredible shine with outstanding clarity after 30-60 seconds of polishing per square meter. So its a total restoration with lippage removal in only 3 steps instead of as many as 10 steps. There's a reason why huge hotel chains, airports, school districts and every one of the largest franchise restoration companies in the world use this system... It's fast, easy, green and duplicatable. You don't need to understand the infinite variables of hardness, density, porosity and mineral composition of thousands of stone types with the New Cheetah Systems. You only need to understand a few basic changes in technique and how to count step1,step 2,step3 etc.

« **Reply #63 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:15:34 pm »

Hi Dana,

Sounds very interesting, do you have any youtube videos of the new pucks being used?

« **Reply #64 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:18:49 pm »

Who are the uk suppliers of the pucks?

« **Reply #65 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:20:28 pm »

Dana, how long or how many metres can these pads do

« **Reply #66 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:43:46 pm »

NuLife Stone Care is the UK distributor.

YouTube videos coming soon.

Longevity varies mostly on the user. Takes getting used to new procedures to maximize efficiency. Steps 1-2 wear faster, 3000-15000 sqft, steps 3-4 wear much slower. Longevity varies depending on mohs hardness of the surface, weight of machine, proper use and experience. Most new users have never experienced any diamond disc cutting like these so they really over use each step. This causes more abrasives to be released which if not cleaned up thoroughly (too small to see) can affect the results of the next steps and the efficiency.

I'll be working with Mike Philbin from NuLife Stone Care to do a webinar or video to show proper use ASAP.

When used properly the level of gloss and extreme clarity is astonishing. You can't achieve that level of depth and clarity with old school discs and polish powders. Do those methods work? Absolutely they work. But we are beginning a new age for stone care with this technology. Chemical polish products are no longer needed. We mechanically smooth the floor to such a fine degree before polishing that the stone looks alive. Crystal clear. Even marbles that are typically a nightmare respond very well. Take a look at these pictures. This is from what used to be a bank in Memphis Tennessee. It was installed over 100 years ago and has been abused and improperly cared for over the last 100+ years. I put the new Cheetah Pucks on a regular floor buffer with a 60 pound steel drive plate and explained the process to three people with zero experience doing stone restoration. They used Cheetah Pucks Steps 1-4 then polished using 11,000 grit monkey pad. No chemical polish was used. Only pucks pads and water. I'll post the pics on Facebook now so you can see. Search for Cheetah Pads on Facebook. You'll see the pics as my most recent post.

« **Reply #67 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:47:22 pm »

Can you use these with an orbitor such as the hbot or isit with a heavy rotary only.

« **Reply #68 on:** March 23, 2013, 08:55:12 pm »

We have different configurations for all machines, rotary, planetary, scrubber driers, orbital etc.

« **Reply #69 on:** March 23, 2013, 09:02:55 pm »

Jamie, which ones have you just bought?

« **Reply #70 on:** March 23, 2013, 09:05:49 pm »

I have ordered the standard system featured by Mike at cleaning show. However I have been discussing Orbot options with Dana so may change my order for something more specific if possible.

« **Reply #71 on:** March 23, 2013, 09:09:48 pm »

Ok I just posted several pictures on Facebook. Search Cheetah Pads to see them.

« **Reply #72 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:29:19 pm »

Hi All

Just thought i should say a few words

Ok, Two years ago we saw the Cheetah Pads in action and quite frankly we weren’t convinced. After all, we already had a really fast grinding and polishing system !

But Dana Kothrade (Cheetah Pad Inventor) has spent the last 2 years gathering feedback, data, opinions and ideas from people he knows around the world and has totally redesigned the Cheetah Pad System.

He has now collectively engineered, designed and built what we consider to be hands down, the most advanced, effective, efficient, versatile and user friendly system for Stone Restoration ever created
Sometimes you just have to your hands up and say WOW! This is it! He’s done it! and you just have to be part of it.

There hasn’t been any official announcement yet and sales are already through the roof in the USA & UK Markets. Experience stone professionals are being blown away by the NEW Cheetah Systems capability. I promise, you're mind is going to blown away by this simple two- step process, using the Cheetah Pucks and our Monster Polishing Powder. The Stone World is never going to be the same again!

The All New Step 2 Cheetah Puck disc can remove very signiJicant damage and severe etching but in just one step, it will leave the surface super smooth and it takes very little polishing compound, water & 11000 grit monkey pad and time to get an extremely high gloss finish with unbelievable clarity.

Include the Step 1 Cheetah Puck and thats just three steps from lippage removal, to full polish on most marbles. Unbelievable? Not Anymore!!!

Dana is a crazy guy and has so much more amazing stuff coming real soon, i'm really looking forward to working with him and bringing his passion for stone floor restoration to you all.

Regards
Mike Philbin - Director
Nu-Life Stone Care
0161 480 7284

Finally - I have an offer for all the Clean It Up Guys Only - Buy the Step 2 Cheetah Puck System for just £295.00 (includes 4 of the step 2 cheetah pucks, a rubber riser, 11000 grit monkey pad & a tub of Monster Polishing Powder. Plus get FREE Training worth £450.00 !!!

« **Reply #73 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:33:47 pm »

Welcome Mike, nice to see you on here... looks like you got yourself a great system there, good luck with it.

« **Reply #74 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:38:49 pm »

Appreciate the welcome & thanks Jason

« **Reply #75 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:44:35 pm »

Hi Mike, emailed you through your website about the pads and course. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Mark.

« **Reply #76 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:52:18 pm »

Hi Mark,

Thanks, and i will be in touch monday

Mike

« **Reply #77 on:** March 23, 2013, 10:55:25 pm »

Quote from: Dana Kothrade on March 23, 2013, 06:14:08 pm

This thread has been fun to watch. It's always interesting to see how aggressive some people get when new technology threatens what they sell. Kev, your assumptions (that's all they are since no actual scientific analysis has been done by you) are completely unfounded. Claims that the new Cheetah Pucks can't remove lippage, produce average results, are more expensive etc. are all false. But keep posting please. Please don't stop. I am the inventor of the Cheetah Pucks. I have but one goal. Help stone restoration technicians produce better results in less time without using expensive machines and harmful chemicals. If someone makes a living teaching, selling and using these machines and chemicals, obviously my technology threatens them and so they lash out.

Dana

I have absolutely no problem with advancement in technology. I have spent the last 6 years trying to improve things in the stone industry. I am not quite sure why you think that I feel threatened because you have alledgedly invented the best restoration system on the planet for the second time. The last time it was Cheetah Pads and now they are gone it is Cheetah Pucks with Monkey Pads to finish off.
Sales of stone restoration disposables or consumables are less than 2% of my company turnover. It wouldn't bother me if I never sold another diamond again.

So this is What We can do if your happy. I will lay a new Nero Máquina 20mm Marble Floor in my unit with 1-3mm of lippage. You or Mike come down and We will get an independent person to judge both systems based on time, overall results and final gloss reading. You can even bring Stone TV to film it.
When do you want to do it?

Can you also tell me which Stone Professionals have tested the system in the USA and endorsed it.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #78 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:00:00 am »

Quote from: Mike Philbin on March 23, 2013, 10:29:19 pm

Hi All

Just thought i should say a few words

Ok, Two years ago we saw the Cheetah Pads in action and quite frankly we weren’t convinced. After all, we already had a really fast grinding and polishing system !

But Dana Kothrade (Cheetah Pad Inventor) has spent the last 2 years gathering feedback, data, opinions and ideas from people he knows around the world and has totally redesigned the Cheetah Pad System.

He has now collectively engineered, designed and built what we consider to be hands down, the most advanced, effective, efficient, versatile and user friendly system for Stone Restoration ever created
Sometimes you just have to your hands up and say WOW! This is it! He’s done it! and you just have to be part of it.

There hasn’t been any official announcement yet and sales are already through the roof in the USA & UK Markets. Experience stone professionals are being blown away by the NEW Cheetah Systems capability. I promise, you're mind is going to blown away by this simple two- step process, using the Cheetah Pucks and our Monster Polishing Powder. The Stone World is never going to be the same again!

The All New Step 2 Cheetah Puck disc can remove very signiJicant damage and severe etching but in just one step, it will leave the surface super smooth and it takes very little polishing compound, water & 11000 grit monkey pad and time to get an extremely high gloss finish with unbelievable clarity.

Include the Step 1 Cheetah Puck and thats just three steps from lippage removal, to full polish on most marbles. Unbelievable? Not Anymore!!!

Dana is a crazy guy and has so much more amazing stuff coming real soon, i'm really looking forward to working with him and bringing his passion for stone floor restoration to you all.

Regards
Mike Philbin - Director
Nu-Life Stone Care
0161 480 7284

Finally - I have an offer for all the Clean It Up Guys Only - Buy the Step 2 Cheetah Puck System for just £295.00 (includes 4 of the step 2 cheetah pucks, a rubber riser, 11000 grit monkey pad & a tub of Monster Polishing Powder. Plus get FREE Training worth £450.00 !!!

Mike

Welcome to the Forum. OK lets do it! I will build you a new floor of Nero Maquina with a little lippage 1-3mm. You are welcome to come down or send Martin whichever one of you that understands the system the best and we will video it being done. I will let you choose which half you want to do and I will personally do the other half. so just let me know when you want to do it! I also think it would be a good idea to invite any CIU members who want to attend to come along. I will lay on refreshments as well!

I look forward to seeing the system working on a real floor.

Also you can bring the monster brushes as well and you can try them on another floor against my new brush system that fits any machine.

I notice as well that you use a Wirbel so you don't even need to bring a machine as I have one I can loan you!

My contact telephone numbers are Office 0121 705 5333 or Mobile 07770 598855 my e mail is tilinglogistics@hotmail.com.

Kind regards

Kevin Martin
Tiling Logistics
Marblelife Ltd

« **Reply #79 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:14:52 am »

Kevin, My business on the forum is done for now !

« **Reply #80 on:** March 24, 2013, 03:27:21 am »

I'm all for a head to head show down. I'll talk with Mike and Martin about where, when and with who. I've actually got a customer doing his first stone job tomorrow on the very stone that Kevin chose. I'll tell him to take pics. He's not using the pucks he's using the 17" Cheetahs but they'll do just fine.

« **Reply #81 on:** March 24, 2013, 08:12:29 am »

Sounds like an interesting head to head.

I take it total investment required to achieve the overall outcome would be considered? As every machine and system comes with a price tag. The most expensive isn't necessarily the best.

« **Reply #82 on:** March 24, 2013, 08:27:15 am »

Quote from: Dana Kothrade on March 24, 2013, 03:27:21 am

I'm all for a head to head show down. I'll talk with Mike and Martin about where, when and with who. I've actually got a customer doing his first stone job tomorrow on the very stone that Kevin chose. I'll tell him to take pics. He's not using the pucks he's using the 17" Cheetahs but they'll do just fine.

Dana

It is not a showdown. I am not interested in any more pictures or videos either. It is just an independant genuine test I want for your diamonds on a real floor on a limestone / marble that is a little more difficult to restore and polish instead of just showing everyone how easy it is to polish a couple of bits of light marble on a board at a show that I could polish with a few hand diamonds and a bottle of Aqua Mix Renue. If they work! Then you get two things:

1. You prove to CIU members on here that the diamonds work on a floor you had nothing to do with beforehand!
2. I will shut up and endorse your system to others because you will have proved to us that it works in a real situation.

Finally can you send me a couple of contact details of the larger corporations that are using the system already in the US as I will be visiting across the pond and I want to get their first hand opinions as well. I will be in California, New Orleans and Chicago. I understand your in CA so one in CA and one say in Illinois would be good or maybe the address of that bank you mentioned. Finally is there anyone in Europe using it? Because I am in Germany, Austria and France in a couple of weeks! But as I am driving I am going through parts of Belgium and Holland as well so if there is anyone in one of those five countries it would be good to talk to a European user as well!

Kind regards

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #83 on:** March 24, 2013, 08:44:15 am »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on March 24, 2013, 08:12:29 am

Sounds like an interesting head to head.

I take it total investment required to achieve the overall outcome would be considered? As every machine and system comes with a price tag. The most expensive isn't necessarily the best.

Dave

It is not a Head to Head it is just a test to prove that Dana's system can actually do a real floor and not just a board at a show or on a U Tube video.

You can come as well if you like with your old faithful rotary and show everyone your diamonds as well! Let me know and I will get my lads to lay an additional 10M2 of Nero Maquina!

You can bring your concrete polishing system as well and we can set up another test on concrete so people have a couple of different things to watch! I would like to see your system and as you know we have 300M2 of 40 year old concrete we can use!

What do you think?

I suggest a Saturday would be best but I am not bothered which day as long as we get some notice!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #84 on:** March 24, 2013, 09:30:41 am »

I'm happy to bring down the concrete machine, do you have three phase? If not, I'll need to bring the generator. Earliest I could get down though be end May/beginning of June as it's being used until then on a few projects, one of which is being featured on Grand Designs later in the year.

« **Reply #85 on:** March 24, 2013, 09:40:30 am »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on March 24, 2013, 09:30:41 am

I'm happy to bring down the concrete machine, do you have three phase? If not, I'll need to bring the generator. Earliest I could get down though be end May/beginning of June as it's being used until then on a few projects, one of which is being featured on Grand Designs later in the year.

Dave

Happy to do the concrete at anytime and don't worry 3 Phase is not a problem as I have a genny.

So what about the grinding and polishing of the stone then with your old faithful system and your diamonds as that would be interestng to see them cutting lippage as well? I for one would be really interested to see these diamonds you have developed yourself as I am sure other CIU would be interested as well! It could even be an alternative system to Dana's that members might buy! I don't think people will want to wait 2-3 months to see Dana demonstrate his system I was thinking a couple of weeks time! Can you make it then?

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #86 on:** March 24, 2013, 09:51:53 am »

This all sounds fun. For now while the details get figured out Mike is going to do a two day class where people can use them on floors all day. I'm sure he will be doing lots of these classes soon and maybe some live demonstrations too. The whole point of this wasn't to prove to Kevin that they work. The point was to expose the truth. That judgement being passed on a system you haven't seen is just wrong. Like them or hate them, that's fine but at least see them with your own eyes before passing judgement and be truthful with your posts. That's all I'm asking. I buy test and review nearly every new product that's introduced to the industry. Some I like. Some are worthless. But I don't go out of my way to bad mouth anyone's product publicly. Why bother? I just smile and say to myself, nice try, they got close, maybe the next generation will be better and I leave it at that. Cheetah Pads aren't gone FYI. They're selling well in 28 countries. Do they work? Uh yes. Can they be used improperly so results and efficiency aren't what they should be? Absolutely. But that's the case with any product someone uses without understanding it first.

So to sum this all up, go see Mike at NuLife if you want to make an informed decision based on hands on use of the Cheetah Pucks. I'm sure he'd be happy to let almost anyone stop by and give them a spin.

« **Reply #87 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:01:27 am »

If this comes off, would it be possible for other members of the forum to see this first hand. If so book me a place please.

« **Reply #88 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:06:51 am »

I want to broadcast it live on the web if everyone else will agree to it...

« **Reply #89 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:17:03 am »

Quote from: Kevin Martin on March 24, 2013, 09:40:30 am

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on March 24, 2013, 09:30:41 am
I'm happy to bring down the concrete machine, do you have three phase? If not, I'll need to bring the generator. Earliest I could get down though be end May/beginning of June as it's being used until then on a few projects, one of which is being featured on Grand Designs later in the year.

Dave

Happy to do the concrete at anytime and don't worry 3 Phase is not a problem as I have a genny.

So what about the grinding and polishing of the stone then with your old faithful system and your diamonds as that would be interestng to see them cutting lippage as well? I for one would be really interested to see these diamonds you have developed yourself as I am sure other CIU would be interested as well! It could even be an alternative system to Dana's that members might buy! I don't think people will want to wait 2-3 months to see Dana demonstrate his system I was thinking a couple of weeks time! Can you make it then?

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

It wouldn't be an alternative to Dana's, my system still has all the different passes required same as the traditional systems. I may be interested, depends on my health, I'm not the fit as a butchers dog fella I was before my operation at the beginning of the year, hence why I'm having the concrete machine made bespoke to me to reduce these physical effects. But don't count me out, just yet

« **Reply #90 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:24:59 am »

The Cheetah Pucks work on concrete as well. Marble, travertine, limestone, terrazzo, granite and concrete. You don't need but the first three steps on concrete unless they want extreme high gloss.

« **Reply #91 on:** March 24, 2013, 11:30:54 am »

Quote from: Dana Kothrade on March 24, 2013, 09:51:53 am

This all sounds fun. For now while the details get figured out Mike is going to do a two day class where people can use them on floors all day. I'm sure he will be doing lots of these classes soon and maybe some live demonstrations too. The whole point of this wasn't to prove to Kevin that they work. The point was to expose the truth. That judgement being passed on a system you haven't seen is just wrong. Like them or hate them, that's fine but at least see them with your own eyes before passing judgement and be truthful with your posts. That's all I'm asking. I buy test and review nearly every new product that's introduced to the industry. Some I like. Some are worthless. But I don't go out of my way to bad mouth anyone's product publicly. Why bother? I just smile and say to myself, nice try, they got close, maybe the next generation will be better and I leave it at that. Cheetah Pads aren't gone FYI. They're selling well in 28 countries. Do they work? Uh yes. Can they be used improperly so results and efficiency aren't what they should be? Absolutely. But that's the case with any product someone uses without understanding it first.

So to sum this all up, go see Mike at NuLife if you want to make an informed decision based on hands on use of the Cheetah Pucks. I'm sure he'd be happy to let almost anyone stop by and give them a spin.

Dana

So what you are essentially saying is!

We can go and try the system at Nu Life on a prepared floor but you or anyone else doesn't want to demonstrate the system on a real floor I prepare?

Do I have that correct or have I misunderstood?

You didn't answer this bit either:

Finally can you send me a couple of contact details of the larger corporations that are using the system already in the US as I will be visiting across the pond and I want to get their first hand opinions as well. I will be in California, New Orleans and Chicago. I understand your in CA so one in CA and one say in Illinois would be good or maybe the address of that bank you mentioned. Finally is there anyone in Europe using it? Because I am in Germany, Austria and France in a couple of weeks! But as I am driving I am going through parts of Belgium and Holland as well so if there is anyone in one of those five countries it would be good to talk to a European user as well!

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #92 on:** March 24, 2013, 11:46:04 am »

Dana

Great to hear they are being used in 28 Countries! So In fact can you just give me the names and contact details of a couple of stone professionals using the system in either:

USA ( California, Georgia, Illinois or Missouri )
Belgium
Holland
France
Germany
Austria
Spain
Italy

Because between now and July I am going to all these States and Countries and it would be fair to get their opinions as well! I have also contacted several stone pro's I know in the USA as well to see how they are getting on with them and as soon as they let me know I will pop their replies on here for you!

PS

What is the correct Retail Price for the system over here or in the US as I cannot find it on the website?

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #93 on:** March 24, 2013, 12:03:55 pm »

Quote from: Dana Kothrade on March 24, 2013, 10:24:59 am

The Cheetah Pucks work on concrete as well. Marble, travertine, limestone, terrazzo, granite and concrete. You don't need but the first three steps on concrete unless they want extreme high gloss.

Jesus! I will tell Klindex, HTC and a few others that we all need to chuck our machines away and forget the last 10 + Years of reasearch they have been doing as Cheetah Pucks solve it all

Dave Carr you don't need to bother with a bespoke concrete machine just slap some Cheetah Pucks on your rotary???

Every single person who has done my course is aware that our units are 40 year old chicken sheds built on Rough cast concrete with large aggregate and then they were covered over in resin. One of the demonstrations we do is to grind a 1M2 area of this resin covered rough cast concrete flat, harden it, colour it and then polish it to a high gloss! So what you are saying is a set of Cheetah Pucks will do the same! Is that correct??

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics
Marblelife Ltd

« **Reply #94 on:** March 24, 2013, 09:49:52 pm »

Kevin

Are you part of the MarbleLife Franchise Company from the USA?

« **Reply #95 on:** March 24, 2013, 10:08:54 pm »

Absolutely not and never have been. Marblelife Ltd is a UK Registered company.

When am I going to get a reply on the stone Professionals who are using your system? I have e mailed 27 stone pros and had answers so far from the majority and not one of them uses your system or knows of any other Stone Professional that does!!!!

I also get the impression We won't be doing any independant testing in my Unit either!

Kev Martín
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #96 on:** March 26, 2013, 12:13:13 pm »

Dana / Mike

Can we have the RRP for the Cheetah System then please both the:

2 Stage & 5 Stage?

Can you tell me what each set comprises of as well or is there a website I can get more information please?

Incidentally I was chatting to someone I know this morning! Can you clarify where is the system is manufactured / Made / Produced?

Kev Martín
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #97 on:** April 01, 2013, 10:05:22 am »

I have to agree with Kev on this, if there was to be test or head to head, it really should be on an unprepared surface, preferably somewhere neutral. Going over floors that have be done many times previously doesn't prove much.

Personally I would have chosen a cheap and nasty marble from somewhere like Tile Giant as a test, opposed to a nice stone like nero. My reasoning behind this is because cheaper stone is invariably heavily filled and a conglomerate of stone which polishes to different levels. It can be a pain to polish, reduces a systems reliance on polishing powders and can fracture very easily when de-lipping, which is also a good test of selected diamonds.

While I'm all for advancements in technology and working practices, I can't see this system immediately falling into place with my business model. I offer two systems, a (up to) four pad rhino polish for more economical projects, and a premium grind and polish up to 10000 grit resin for the more discerning customer. Maybe in time the cheetahs would fall between these?

My clientele actually revel in the fact they have guys taking lots of time and effort to achieve the finish, and get a kick out of seeing us detailing on our knees. I suppose it massages their egos a little?

Let's hope we can still see a head to head, or maybe a stone rodeo? That would be nice, get us all down, lay on a few drinks, bowls of chilli, nacho's, a bit of local media coverage and above all have some fun

« **Reply #98 on:** April 01, 2013, 03:14:13 pm »

Quote from: StoneSealersHQ on April 01, 2013, 10:05:22 am

I have to agree with Kev on this, if there was to be test or head to head, it really should be on an unprepared surface, preferably somewhere neutral. Going over floors that have be done many times previously doesn't prove much.

Personally I would have chosen a cheap and nasty marble from somewhere like Tile Giant as a test, opposed to a nice stone like nero. My reasoning behind this is because cheaper stone is invariably heavily filled and a conglomerate of stone which polishes to different levels. It can be a pain to polish, reduces a systems reliance on polishing powders and can fracture very easily when de-lipping, which is also a good test of selected diamonds.

While I'm all for advancements in technology and working practices, I can't see this system immediately falling into place with my business model. I offer two systems, a (up to) four pad rhino polish for more economical projects, and a premium grind and polish up to 10000 grit resin for the more discerning customer. Maybe in time the cheetahs would fall between these?

My clientele actually revel in the fact they have guys taking lots of time and effort to achieve the finish, and get a kick out of seeing us detailing on our knees. I suppose it massages their egos a little?

Let's hope we can still see a head to head, or maybe a stone rodeo? That would be nice, get us all down, lay on a few drinks, bowls of chilli, nacho's, a bit of local media coverage and above all have some fun

Dave

I don't think they will do it! They were offered the same challenge elsewhere across the pond. He agreed then didn't bother turning up!
What he fails to realise is that I don't have a problem with the Cheetah Pads or the Cheetah Pucks and I am sure like Rhino Pads, Klindex Holland System and KGS they have a place in maintenance end of the market and to a certain degree polishing for clients who don't want to pay for a full grind and detailing of their floors to be restored to better than when laid!

The issue I have is their ridiculous claims like:

"This is the best and fastest system on the planet"

Because they will for want of a better word "Dupe" enough people into buying it having seen a a test floor done like at the cleaning show and then subsequently enough people buy into the system and then wonder why it does not perform as well in a real life situation!!!

For some reason he thinks I am jealous of the system and the sales it may generate when in reality I wouldn't even entertain it unless he could prove it worked in a real time situation!

Ultimately overall sales of pads and diamonds won't even be affected and even if they were sales of these don't even come to 4% of our overall sales turnover. He would not even be able to affect 2/3rd of that 4% turnover either because they are diamonds for the Klindex Levighetor which are only available from myself. Amir or Italy direct.

Kev Martin
Marblelife Ltd
Tiling Logistics

« **Reply #99 on:** April 15, 2013, 08:30:31 am »

Hi Amir,

This thread has become split. Originally the thread was about Nu-Lifes "Monster Brushes" the Frankfurt brush segments. We have found they work well for deep cleaning tasks on riven surfaces. We have used Tynex brushes for years for these tasks and now with their system have the ability to choose the grade required and the frankfurt configuration allows for more head pressure.

We have still to try them on a heavily contaminated floor for removal of glues, coatings etc since our last project was cancelled. My guys have used them extensively on cleaning tasks and are now their weapon of choice on many of the jobs.

The Cheetah Pucks I have still to trial onsite so cant comment on them until I have done a few m2. I have a few different configurations coming to run on all the kit I have. Planetary, rotary and orbital.

Sandy gets home in a couple of weeks and I will pass on my regards.

Assuming he isn't taken by pirates before he gets back!