MY FIRST TM BUY RESTORE INSTALL

« **on:** September 12, 2009, 09:58:35 am »

Some pictures SORRY made a mess of trying to download pictures will try later.

Tony

« **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:41:42 am »

You're just a tease Tony !

Steve

« **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2009, 12:41:54 pm »

Tony

Id that a picture of you in the 60's

« **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2009, 01:25:11 pm »

Wish i had that much hair Mike There my Kids Lucy black one Frankie Red one.
We all just been on holiday in France no bloody carpets over there.

Cheers Tony

« **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:03:18 pm »

Nearly completed

« **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:05:12 pm »

« **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:09:49 pm »

AND MORE

« **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:12:03 pm »

MORE

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« **Reply #11 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:25:37 pm »

These pictures show what i have done made all the frames to stand te machine on cleaned every thing up and painted it in rust inhibiting primers zinc rich and two pack machine enamels.

Hope you arn't BORED

THE DAY OF COLLECTION ALL THROWN IN THE BACK OF THE VAN

CHEERS TONY

« **Reply #12 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:27:26 pm »

« **Reply #13 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:29:42 pm »

Wondering what i had done on the way home

« **Reply #14 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:30:53 pm »

Fantastic Tony, well done!

Great lay out and looks like a new machine, how many hours has she done? did you do most of the work?

Shaun

« **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:39:31 pm »

Hi Shaun thanks it's done 5000
Done all the work myself in spare time BILLY NO MATES had lots of advice ont the phone from Dave Ingram Mike Halliday when needed it, but an engine is an engine and have worked on them for years.

Cheers Tony

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« **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:53:23 pm »

Who is that fat bloke

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« **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2009, 02:59:53 pm »

It.s all in the preperation

« **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:01:44 pm »

Done really well there Tony. Looks pretty smart now after all your hard work. Well done.

« **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:03:03 pm »

Like the way you've got your Ninja tucked in there. Very neat.

Great one Tony.

« **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:08:32 pm »

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« **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:13:35 pm »

MORE OR HAVE YOU HAD EHOUGH

« **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:17:31 pm »

« **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:22:09 pm »

Fred Dibnah, eat your heart out....

You'll be knocking Chimneys down next

Looks bloody great mate!!!!!!

« **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:25:53 pm »

Cheers Lads

« **Reply #30 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:28:29 pm »

Fred WHO

my HERO

« **Reply #31 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:32:52 pm »

One slip half a TON on yer head

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« **Reply #33 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:41:19 pm »

Every picture tells a story WAS that Rod Stewart

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« **Reply #35 on:** September 12, 2009, 03:52:17 pm »

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

« **Reply #36 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:03:15 pm »

and to think you did it all in your pyjama's.

give that man a cigar,

as james corden said on radio one a couple of days ago. thats supercallafradge

top notch tony, i know where to come when mines looking a bit dated.

derek

« **Reply #37 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:20:57 pm »

Tony

Looks very good mate, it shows you put a lot of time into getting it ship shape.

You will probably be itching to do a another waste tank, I can let you do mine if you want.

« **Reply #38 on:** September 12, 2009, 04:53:00 pm »

this goes to show you can't judge a book by it cover. looks ready for the junkyard but as long as the guts are good you can soon soon get it ready for the prom.

(that was good I got 4 analogies in 2 sentences

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« **Reply #39 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:15:52 pm »

So i can just jump straight into bed when i get finished Derek :

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Drop it round Mike very good rates

Hi Mike good to see you the other day m8

Anyway some MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

« **Reply #40 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:17:35 pm »

« **Reply #41 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:18:44 pm »

Are you going to paint the plylining in the van Tony? Wish I had done mine before I put the TM in.

You can't take too many pics with digital.

« **Reply #42 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:25:19 pm »

Mike look at the first pictures m8 will lend you my glasses i used chlorinated rubber paint

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« **Reply #45 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:32:34 pm »

Mouse hand getting cramp

« **Reply #46 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:37:47 pm »

It's Mr Charles to you.

Like the way your accumulator is set up. Wanted a plastic T like that for mine but couldn't find one. Also what's holding it on the bracket?

« **Reply #47 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:39:49 pm »

Wondered why the auto pump out didn't work it DOES NOW !!!!!! re wired it and a new float switch pump just needed a clean out and new filter mesh BINGO

« **Reply #48 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:42:04 pm »

Mike V&M mounting bracket

« **Reply #49 on:** September 12, 2009, 05:47:55 pm »

Believe it or not this machine was still out every day earning money What the vacuum was like i don't know the filters where blocked and just look at the wast tank seals

« **Reply #50 on:** September 12, 2009, 06:31:20 pm »

so come on, the details, how much initially, how much spent, how much time. and then could you make a new carreer out of buying old TM's and doing them up. looks wise, i'd say absolutely but cost wise, thats your shout.
derek

« **Reply #51 on:** September 12, 2009, 07:06:40 pm »

Cheers Tony. Also I have my pump up the other way

« **Reply #52 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:24:25 pm »

Tony

Restoration is not for the faint-hearted

, a well thought-out project razing the machine/ reel and leaving enough room to access the blower nice job

Len

« **Reply #53 on:** September 12, 2009, 08:50:39 pm »

I think it's been a well worth project for Tony he obviously knows his way around restoration it's not just the cost it's the satisfaction knowing the machine inside out will be invaluable when it goes wrong (which they all do) I just wished all TM manufacturers would think out the installation and space saving like this, Alltec come close to this but Tony is miles infront IMO.

Tony I applaud you.

Shaun

« **Reply #54 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:31:15 pm »

just in case your getting withdrawel syptoms tony heres another project for ya.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mercedes-208-D-SWB-with-Truckmount-Carpet-Cleaner_W0QQitemZ150372478475QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA?hash=item2302e5ee0b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

go on, treat ya self

derek

« **Reply #55 on:** September 12, 2009, 09:51:19 pm »

Tony,

It looks great, well done.

Only one problem. The frame you have mounted it on looks far too flimsy to keep the machine in place in case of a serious accident. Neither do the bolts holding the machine to the frame and the frame to the floor. There's the best part of a ton of machinery sitting on that frame and by the looks of it very little holding it in place. If you had a heavy frontal impact that machine would be in the cab and you would be dead.
You insurance may also be invalid if the machine were to break free.

Sorry to be negative.

Simon

« **Reply #56 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:41:18 pm »

Simon.
The frame is heavy gauge 2" box section steel and was worked out for me by a steel fabrication company the unit actually weighs just over half a ton the waste tank is mounted on a separate frame if you look closley but you are wright about the bolts these are only temporary and are to be replaced with high tensile bolts.

Cheers Tony

« **Reply #57 on:** September 12, 2009, 10:52:59 pm »

Total outlay very little satisfaction IMMENSE Shhhh but i think i have found another one tucked away in a garage fingers crossed if the price is wright.

Thank for all you comments I thought it would be good to share my project.

Regards Tony

« **Reply #58 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:10:26 pm »

Tony,

The left hand side of the machine needs to have a support leg directly beneath it and similar legs all along the left side of the machine otherwise the whole frame will collapse in an impact. As it's is nothing short of suicidal. You really need to think about this. The forces exerted on the machine and its fixings in a collision are enormous. If I were you I'd do away with the frame, which after all is just some extra storage area gained at the risk of serious injury, even death if you do have a big impact.

Sorry to be so negative when you've done such a goof job on the restoration.

Simon

« **Reply #59 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:10:52 pm »

Nice work Tony, you have certainly put alot of time and effort into it and the finished item looks great. Hose reel looks great in there mate

Are you going to use the solution reel as well?

« **Reply #60 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:14:48 pm »

Not sure Derek still working that one out got it of a GREAT guy !!!!

cheers m8

Simon with respect i have had advice from people who calculate these sort of things for a living thanks for your concern though.

Regards Tony

« **Reply #61 on:** September 12, 2009, 11:25:47 pm »

Said frames

« **Reply #62 on:** September 13, 2009, 06:26:36 am »

Tony,

You've got only four bolts securing the machine on the frame and four securing the frame to the floor. Plus, the only thing holding the two left hand struts in place are welds with no support struts along the length of the machine. Whoever told you that is safe is telling you porkies. Show these photos to Craig at Hydramaster, he'll tell you straight if he thinks its good enough.
My Titan sits on a 90 gallon water tank which is made of extra thick aluminium and inside the tank on both sides of its length are solid aluminium blocks with high tensile steel bolts all the way through to the floor and the bolts are spaced every six inches or so. Granted you don't have a water tank , but even so the entire left-hand side of the machine is only sitting on an unsupported strut with nothing but an open space beneath it. At least a water tank and the water within it afford the whole structure some added strength. It just doesn't look up to the job.
Again, sorry for the negative, but you can't take your own personal safety too seriously.

Simon

« **Reply #63 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:12:14 am »

Tony
Your set up looks good but that frame it sits on really isn't up to the job. The force of that machine in a collision is far far greater than it's original weight. The frame would need much more reinforcement for it to be safe. In a front on collision it would collapse forward like a pack of cards. You would be better doing away with the frame and bolting it through the floor as it should be.
Only my thought's but in your safety's interest.

« **Reply #64 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:52:54 am »

I agree that the frame doesn't look the safest but it's more the centre of gravity that worries me and that would put any larger TM in that catagory that sits on a water tank.

Shaun

« **Reply #65 on:** September 13, 2009, 11:01:58 am »

Thats not strictly true Shaun, what about fitting a TM on a wagon or on a pickup truck ?, the centre of gravity would then be raised. yet it's not a problem.

« **Reply #66 on:** September 13, 2009, 11:22:23 am »

The problem here is that there is nothing supporting the left side of the machine. In a heavy impact that frame would collapse and with it rip what few bolts there are in it clean out and the machine would end up in the cab.
I dare say the frame is tough enough to hold the machine on it but it has to withold not just the machines weight but 10 times that to have any chance of it stY in place in a collision.
It's probably the most dangerous tm install I've ever seen and l
all for the sake of a bit of extra storage space. Scares the poop out of me!!!
Simon

« **Reply #67 on:** September 13, 2009, 12:00:17 pm »

have any truckmount installations been crash tested? probably not.

i personally think we're all doomed in a head on. i can't see 4 bolts and a bit of welding, (no matter what its fixed too) will hold that sought of weight on impact. same goes for portables that are bungied to the back of a van.

so to everyone, drive carefully guys. better be late than never.

derek

« **Reply #68 on:** September 13, 2009, 01:08:47 pm »

Derek,

I think HM in the states have done some tests on this and HM UK now will not fit submounted tanks unless they are no more than 90 gallons and are made of extra thick aluminium and have sold alloy blocks all the way through them with the high tensile steel bolts holding it all in place. Also, they now use thick base plates on the top and underside of the tank which gives the whole structure great rigidity.
What Tony has done is forgone the raw strength of a rigid structure merely to provide some extra space to store a few chemicals containers.

I showed the picture of Tony's frame and installation of the TM on top of it to an engineer on a ship I was working on today. These guys fit heavy plant into engine rooms and commented, 'Crazy.'

Anyway, it's none of my business, I only felt compelled to comment to cover my own conscience.

Simon

« **Reply #69 on:** September 13, 2009, 01:19:20 pm »

simon
so what would you say to someone with a prowler in the back? surely tony's is no different to that, or to a builder with a pallet of bricks in the back.
i personally think any van laden,(fixed or not) is a death trap in a high impact crash scenario, wouldn't you agree.

by the way, i'm not disagree-ing with you, just pointing out my views on laden vans in general.

i'm sure tony will get your views double checked but for now, lets just sit back and admire his handy work. he's turned a heap of junk into a top notch trucky at his first attempt. theres a lot of work gone into that. without the storeage mount, i'd say that man deserves a cigar.
derek

« **Reply #70 on:** September 13, 2009, 01:28:57 pm »

Derek,

It's all about risk management. Surely no one takes unnecessary risks and if Ton'y TM was fitted much better than it is he would probably survive impacts that at the moment he may very well not. The sheer physically force of not just the TM but the water tank behind it and the hose reel behind that, all set thirteen inches higher than it should be on a frame that doesn't have a hope in hell of withstanding the forces that would be exerted on those four bolts in even a low'ish speed head on impact.
But you're right, if the speed of the impact is high enough then even the best fitted TM would break free from its mountings, but surely as father's, grand fathers and husband we owe it to our families not to take any more risks than we absolutely have to.

Simon

« **Reply #71 on:** September 13, 2009, 01:33:09 pm »

like i said, i'm not disagreeing with ya.
derek

« **Reply #72 on:** September 13, 2009, 01:44:47 pm »

Anyway, hats off to Tony, what he's done with that machine restoration is nothing short of miraculous.

Simon

« **Reply #73 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:32:12 pm »

Craig said he didn't want to put my 427 on a clean water tank in my van because of the centre of gravity, are you saying that I was mislead by HM? I asked for it to be put on a water tank but they said they wouldn't even if wanted to sign a disclaimer!

I'd have loved to have it mounted on a water tank because it would leave a far bigger space in the back of my van.

Shaun

« **Reply #74 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:43:52 pm »

mines on a water tank, all be it, only 60 gallon, am i a gonna

eeeeeek!
derek

« **Reply #75 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:49:05 pm »

I have been re-fitting my van, new ply lining and 1" Quintherm insulation behind and under it, ready for winter.

Too embarrassed to put pics up now after viewing Tony's nice job

My Steamway comes with a submount tank and machine is held on by 4 bolts thru aluminum tank, was thinking it wouldnt be very good in a crash or hard braking. Previous owner used a plastic upright water tank with a few straps :

Taken machine off submount and have it in van at mo facing out side door, with waste behind.
Am thinking i will get a new lay flat 250lt of Restormate and making a new frame to mount it all in ( mate is a fabricator) think as Shaun says it will free up more room, as my van is slightly smaller than the one it came out of so upright water tank wont fit behind waste tank.

Andrew

« **Reply #76 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:49:44 pm »

My old 421 was Derek I was playing Devil's advocate, perhaps Tony may have to have a look at what e has made to fine tune it but it still looks fantastic and I think it's the best renovation I've seen.

Tony if I get a small old TM are you up for another project?

Shaun

« **Reply #77 on:** September 13, 2009, 07:58:31 pm »

Andrew I would look into have an upright tank like Tony's I think it would save loads of space in the van, personally I like Colin Brights van lay out (well actually Glynns and Dave Lee's) but Colin has a unique way of putting his hose reel at the bulk head so he can pull the hoses out from the side door which is fantastic if your TM is also at the side door.

Shaun

« **Reply #78 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:20:46 pm »

I see what you mean Shaun, however my Hiace isnt a long or medium wheelbase, and it would take up a lot of valuable space. Have a reel to get in too.

Andrew

« **Reply #79 on:** September 13, 2009, 08:50:54 pm »

The best way is to submount it and then place the TM about 18" - 24" as far as you can from the bulk head and put a hose reel there as you will save loads of space and the time saving over the years but just opening the side door to get hoses out would be enough.

I'd love to get mine like that I may have a word with Dave Roelants he's good at things like that.

Shaun

« **Reply #80 on:** September 13, 2009, 09:00:45 pm »

My reel is 30" wide, thats vac and solution. Side door is about 40 inches , machine would end up over rear axle.
Would be nice to have access to everything from side door.

Have to get a bigger van

Andrew

« **Reply #81 on:** September 13, 2009, 09:52:20 pm »

Tony , Fantastic
Theres life in the old Dog yet

« **Reply #82 on:** September 13, 2009, 09:56:47 pm »

Take the solution reel off and you are left with the vac hose reel, the vac hose is the one you strugglw with so have that at the side door, the size of the hose reel and holder is approx 18-20 " so put the TM just behing the wheel arch so you need to measure approx 20" from your bulkhead then your Tm.

Shaun

« **Reply #83 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:17:37 pm »

Tony,
That's a great job, looks very professional, well done!

« **Reply #84 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:30:49 pm »

Now then Dave, how easy would it be to make a submount tank for my 427? I noticed that the Alltec ones are a glorified tank with a welded chassis over it? when I spoke to you at the CCDO in April you said that you had a guy who you knew that could help.

Shaun

« **Reply #85 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:40:19 pm »

Quote from: ABILITY on September 13, 2009, 09:52:20 pm

Tony , Fantastic
Theres life in the old Dog yet

That's a bloody clever Afghan!

« **Reply #86 on:** September 13, 2009, 10:43:21 pm »

Give him a bone.

Shaun

« **Reply #87 on:** September 14, 2009, 08:31:31 pm »

Ok had a talk with the steel fabrication guy today he tells me that the frames will carry the weight of the truckmount with no problem BUT what he did say was the weakest point with any installation in a panel van was infact the van floor. He would advise a length of angle running underneath the van below both mounting areas if possible and better still welded to the chassi and then bolt through sanwiching the floor.

Thank for all the constructive positive AND negative

comments CHEERS GUYS Tony

« **Reply #88 on:** September 14, 2009, 08:58:59 pm »

Quote from: Mike Osbourne on September 13, 2009, 10:40:19 pm

Quote from: ABILITY on September 13, 2009, 09:52:20 pm
Tony , Fantastic
Theres life in the old Dog yet

That's a bloody clever Afghan!

Quote from: Shaun_Ashmore on September 13, 2009, 10:43:21 pm

Give him a bone.

Shaun

This OLD man came rolling home

« **Reply #89 on:** September 15, 2009, 10:18:13 pm »

Ha ha ha

Mike dual pumps do tee's and any other bends you might need m8

Cheers Tony