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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Slacky on October 27, 2017, 09:07:49 am
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It wasn't that long ago, a couple or so years ago, that we used to talk on here about earning £200 a day being the norm. Now a lot of guys refer to £300 a day being their aim to earn on any working day.
When will £400 a day be what is thought of as par for the course?
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not for me.nowhere near £400 a day.
take a good look around you at other window cleaners.most havent got a pot to pee in and just about scrape a living together.
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I think it only appears to be the norm on this forum. Probably because not many people will pipe up to boast they "only" earn 100 quid a day.
Also just because a dozen window cleaner on forums say they do 200-300 a day doesn't mean the other hundreds or thousands of window cleaners earn anywhere near.
I know the general prices in my area, I am on the Yorkshire window cleaning group on facebook and I can tell you that the vast majority of those guys won't be doing 200 a day..how can they at 5 quid a house.
Half of the country might be able to breeze through 200+ plus but the other half definitely not.
I'm with daz, reckon half of all window cleaners will just be making a living as in 500 a week at most.
I think some of us need to remember how luck we are. There will be guys who do 400 but at the other end I bet a lot struggle to do 100
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Depends where you are in the country down parts of the south it’s easily achievable on the glass for 7-8 hours,there’s a lot on here won’t tell you but they are breezing through that especially 2 in a van day in day out. Off of ladders there are still a few around where I am but the majority don’t look at it as a business it’s work they’ve had for years and are happy to earn between 120-150 a day but they have no mortgage pole system to maintain lived in the same council house for 30+ years.
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If I replied properly Bungle would wake up
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CIU is generally full of them, usually the same guys who then spend Two days browsing the internet to save £4 on a bag of resin!
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CIU is generally full of them, usually the same guys who then spend Two days browsing the internet to save £4 on a bag of resin!
Though in defence of many......just because ones might earn alot doesnt mean they like spending. Look at many companies who buy cheap materials or ingredients etc to maximise profits. Why cant window cleaners.
Pricing is a hard one because even in the glory capital of England you will get shiners who are fortunate to work in areas where they can charge crazy prices. Yet you will also get ones in areas struggling to make perhaps half of what those ones make.
Yet a one man band, purely on windows making 400 a day on a regular basis would be hard to do.
We all can get lucky sometimes and make more than that in a day, for instance ive made that in half a day with pressure washing packages etc but it aint happening on a daily basis.
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50 £40 house’s a week that’s all it is 300 £40+ Over a 6 week period isn’t impossible to achieve is it,or is it many on here seem to think so. I don’t bother targeting smaller houses you get eaten up with chaff in the end. Like I say so many southern WCs on here know what doable.
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50 £40 house’s a week that’s all it is 300 £40+ Over a 6 week period isn’t impossible to achieve is it,or is it many on here seem to think so. I don’t bother targeting smaller houses you get eaten up with chaff in the end. Like I say so many southern WCs on here know what doable.
Easy as that!
It might do you good to come out of your little bubble Nigel and try getting a round full of £40 houses in other parts of the country. You would find it impossible in many- and that I can guarantee! It might even halt the bucket loads of manure that you spout!!
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Lol a bucket load on manure it’s a personal thing that’s what this job is it’s a round of work-jobs built by individuals who go after what work they want,as I’ve always said it takes years and years to build. It was asked if this is achievable and the answer is simply yes it is and it’s being down day to day by many WCs believe it or not that’s your choice Cum Bucket.
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Your comments are not exactly inspiring to any newbie or someone looking to expand try coming out of your bubble of average work now and then,it doesn’t take an intelligent person to realise if you have 10-20 £50 Jobs you can get another 20-30 of em. Believe it or not some window cleaners with decent work may earn as much as 2-3 others doing 10-15 p poor jobs in a day.
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Funny how these old money threads hit nerves with a few on here 😂👉🏽🍩
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Lol a bucket load on manure it’s a personal thing that’s what this job is it’s a round of work-jobs built by individuals who go after what work they want,as I’ve always said it takes years and years to build. It was asked if this is achievable and the answer is simply yes it is and it’s being down day to day by many WCs believe it or not that’s your choice Cum Bucket.
Is it achievable wasn't the question, is it the "norm" was the question to which you replied it's "only" 50 £40 jobs per week- "that's all it is"- implying that it's hardly a task. I assume that you are on 100k a year then Big Nige- it being as "simple" as that an' all?
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Funny how these old money threads hit nerves with a few on here 😂👉🏽🍩
Yep and also funny how it brings the Bovine Manure out of the same people every time too!
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£400 a day is achievable, but not everyday.
For one man, I’d hazard a guess that the average earnings for a days work is between £100-150 across the uk.
But then... If you look at the average wage of window cleaners in the uk, (by stats) most window cleaners should be skint ;D
Having said that, even if guys are making £100 a day, that’s not a bad wage for what it is. When I look at what some people have to do for £25k a year, the hours they work, the stress etc. It should be appreciated that shiners can do 5 hours a day and pull in £25k a year fairly comfortably.
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Remember guys we are talking turnover. Your turnover isn't your earnings is it.
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Remember guys we are talking turnover. Your turnover isn't your earnings is it.
That’s a true point marc.
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Sorry if I read it wrong with it being the norm not it’s not but 3-400 a day in some places is,i will give my opinion on these money threads though some of the really big hitters won’t,I would imagine some are laughing into there tea at the moment with average of 100-150 being mentioned. Some businesses in the south wouldn’t last the month sending blokes out turning over that it wouldn’t even cover wages and costs to run it ,lot of firms out there doing windows only earning big money.
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Sorry if I read it wrong with it being the norm not it’s not but 3-400 a day in some places is,i will give my opinion on these money threads though some of the really big hitters won’t,I would imagine some are laughing into there tea at the moment with average of 100-150 being mentioned. Some businesses in the south wouldn’t last the month sending blokes out turning over that it wouldn’t even cover wages and costs to run it ,lot of firms out there doing windows only earning big money.
I’m talking about one man bands NWH, Just in case your referring to my posts.
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Im under the impression its referring to a one man operator as obviously a team should be (in many areas) smashing that out the park as it were or why else have a fleet of vans or teams of workers.
What makes me chuckle is how the only ones who can change their lot in live is themselves. Your customers or your target audience can influence your prices but ultimately it you.....the owner of your business who sets the prices. Therefore if your not happy with your days takings then do something about it. Put prices up // get better prices for your work or travel to better areas to pick work up.
On other threads we moan at people who pay pittance on our own roundsnand we cant wait to replace them with better paying customer. But come on! Who gave them the low price ;D ;D
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The wall of my office has a white board for each of the guys turnover per day. We have 5 boxes this week with more £400 in. 2 of my team have more than £400 on their sheets today. However a normal day for my team is £320-£350 per day per person. We have one commercial job which one cleaner can do in a 9 hour day which is £750
As I am writing this the time is 14;24 and one of my team have just arrived back to the yard with £346 on the board.
I have to admit I never did those numbers when I was a one man band, I would aim for about £200 per day. I started at 10am had a pub lunch each day and finished by 4pm. Often I would only do 4 days cleaning a week.
Its easy to hit the high numbers with staff that have to leave the yard at 7am and work all day 5 days a week.
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The wall of my office has a white board for each of the guys turner per day. We have 5 boxes this week with more £400 in. 2 of my team have more than £400 on their sheets today. However a normal day for my team is £320-£350 per day. We have one commercial job which one cleaner can do in a 9 hour day which is £750
As I am writing this the time is 14;24 and one of my team have just arrived back to the yard with £346 on the board.
I have to admit I never did those numbers when I was a one man band, I would aim for about £200 per day. I started at 10am had a pub lunch each day and finished by 4pm. Often I would only do 4 days cleaning a week.
Its easy to hit the high numbers with staff that have to leave the yard at 7am and work all day 5 days a week.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1509111639_ae6f2612136cbbe2634479d679abb45550f619ac7134902dbedf105fcb2d7664.jpg)
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Like I’ve said many times before it takes years and years to build what I would consider a really good book full of work,this is one of the reasons I’m baffled at the prices people are asking for there work when it comes to selling it. As for 1 man bands it is all area and the quality of work you have ,some people say it’s ridiculous to say you can earn that kind of money on your own others would laugh to thereselves and say well I do.
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Like I’ve said many times before it takes years and years to build what I would consider a really good book full of work,this is one of the reasons I’m baffled at the prices people are asking for there work when it comes to selling it. As for 1 man bands it is all area and the quality of work you have ,some people say it’s ridiculous to say you can earn that kind of money on your own others would laugh to thereselves and say well I do.
Yep, agreed.
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The wall of my office has a white board for each of the guys turner per day. We have 5 boxes this week with more £400 in. 2 of my team have more than £400 on their sheets today. However a normal day for my team is £320-£350 per day. We have one commercial job which one cleaner can do in a 9 hour day which is £750
As I am writing this the time is 14;24 and one of my team have just arrived back to the yard with £346 on the board.
I have to admit I never did those numbers when I was a one man band, I would aim for about £200 per day. I started at 10am had a pub lunch each day and finished by 4pm. Often I would only do 4 days cleaning a week.
Its easy to hit the high numbers with staff that have to leave the yard at 7am and work all day 5 days a week.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1509111639_ae6f2612136cbbe2634479d679abb45550f619ac7134902dbedf105fcb2d7664.jpg)
Brilliant!! hahaha
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100 a day 😂👉🏽🍩 id work for someone else and give them the grief,these days that would pay for your beer and fAgs a bit of shopping and that’s it. I’m not knocking anyone who earns that but come on you can earn more than that even if it is cleaning glass for a living.
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I had another 1 this week she said can you price I said yep I’ll have a look now I said,it’ll be 42 all my 40s are now 42 she said the other guy charged 27 I said that’s my price she said go ahead at least I know you’ll keep coming to clean them. You don’t ask you don’t get I could have said 30 and done myself out of 72 odd pound a year and that’s 1 job only,if I now get another 10 jobs in that same little area I’ve gained 7-800 a year over him on price alone fo cleaning the same houses.
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It also depends on what part of the country your in...guys down south are going to be earning more on the whole i would imagine ???
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100 a day 😂👉🏽🍩 id work for someone else and give them the grief,these days that would pay for your beer and fAgs a bit of shopping and that’s it. I’m not knocking anyone who earns that but come on you can earn more than that even if it is cleaning glass for a living.
100 a day is still a very good wage to some people, even before tax
I used to earn 16k a year in my last job before tax (only 3 years ago)
not long ago 500 a week was only something i could dream of earning, it was a LOT of money, now i can earn that in 2 days if i really wanted to (i dont btw as i dont work enough hours)
Lets put it this way, if i was earning 1150 a month takehome and getting by, then adding another 500-600 quid a month takehome pay is going to feel far from scraping by, its going to feel like riches.
Its a point that gets re-hashed over and over on this board but earnings and what is good or bad money is only in the eye of the beholder, so its a pointless debate. If you think you are rich you are if you think you are poor you are.
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100 a day 😂👉🏽🍩 id work for someone else and give them the grief,these days that would pay for your beer and fAgs a bit of shopping and that’s it. I’m not knocking anyone who earns that but come on you can earn more than that even if it is cleaning glass for a living.
I totally agree, idiots working for £100 a day and other idiots cleaning conservatory roofs for free, with guys like that about its a wonder we aren't all working for peanuts.
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100 a day 😂👉🏽🍩 id work for someone else and give them the grief,these days that would pay for your beer and fAgs a bit of shopping and that’s it. I’m not knocking anyone who earns that but come on you can earn more than that even if it is cleaning glass for a living.
I totally agree, idiots working for £100 a day and other idiots cleaning conservatory roofs for free, with guys like that about its a wonder we aren't all working for peanuts.
;D
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So, apart from NWH who's on whatever seems to take his fancy, there seems like no one else- only Lee Pryor who's getting there or there abouts. Up to this point then, it would appear that 400 per day is way off being the "norm". Surprised at this to be honest.... it all sounds so easy too!!
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Why do I clean the odd roof for nothing if it’s a few panes of glass while I’m up there,coz it will reflect in no way what I’m getting overall for the Windows. Anyone self employed in the south would not think 1-150 is good money by any stretch of the imagination,as has been said time and time and time again if you have mortgage and bills it’s not a lot of money,Jesus i put about a 80-100 a week in my van on diesel. Like I said earlier on today they’ll be a lot of WCs reading this agreeing with me,they pay 1-150 a day to employees.
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Do you know if you clean 6-8 £50 houses a day you can earn 3-400 quid,that’s amazing that in it I’ve never worked that out before 😂🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒
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So, apart from NWH who's on whatever seems to take his fancy, there seems like no one else- only Lee Pryor who's getting there or there abouts. Up to this point then, it would appear that 400 per day is way off being the "norm". Surprised at this to be honest.... it all sounds so easy too!!
Blimey pal it’s not a case of Charlie big balls on mine or Lees part it’s not unusual in this neck of the woods believe me,the average house price is a shack that needs loads doing to it for about 400k and there is a strong possibility that would be a terrace.
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NWH,
I’m going off the HMRC’s National window cleaners earnings, not myself (again, incase your referring to me)
The average window cleaner isn’t earning more than 25k a year, in fact, a lot less, that’s the point I’m making.
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So, apart from NWH who's on whatever seems to take his fancy, there seems like no one else- only Lee Pryor who's getting there or there abouts. Up to this point then, it would appear that 400 per day is way off being the "norm". Surprised at this to be honest.... it all sounds so easy too!!
Blimey pal it’s not a case of Charlie big balls on mine or Lees part it’s not unusual in this neck of the woods believe me,the average house price is a shack that needs loads doing to it for about 400k and there is a strong possibility that would be a terrace.
Make your mind up Nigel. One minute it's the norm then it's not? Are you or are you not earning 400 quid per day, every working day?
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Well?
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Well?
So the 2 today that had over £400 on their sheets did get it all done. Like I said they left the yard at 7am, have the jobs all routed in the most efficient order, have large 700L tanks each so can work with a high flow and not run out. They also have to stay out until at least 4.30 unless finished. Then you factor in prices for the south which of course are higher. As I said before I never worked like that. How many one man bands work that hard every single day? Not many I bet. £400 days here and there are common for us. A more normal day is something over £300. Only one of our team came in with less than £300 today
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100 a day 😂👉🏽🍩 id work for someone else and give them the grief,these days that would pay for your beer and fAgs a bit of shopping and that’s it. I’m not knocking anyone who earns that but come on you can earn more than that even if it is cleaning glass for a living.
100 a day is still a very good wage to some people, even before tax
I used to earn 16k a year in my last job before tax (only 3 years ago)
not long ago 500 a week was only something i could dream of earning, it was a LOT of money, now i can earn that in 2 days if i really wanted to (i dont btw as i dont work enough hours)
Lets put it this way, if i was earning 1150 a month takehome and getting by, then adding another 500-600 quid a month takehome pay is going to feel far from scraping by, its going to feel like riches.
Its a point that gets re-hashed over and over on this board but earnings and what is good or bad money is only in the eye of the beholder, so its a pointless debate. If you think you are rich you are if you think you are poor you are.
i know what you mean adam.10 years ago i was just about scraping a living together window cleaning even though id been going 14 years.what happens is as you start to earn better money you get used to it so £100 seems terrible when your used to £150.then £150 seems rubbish when your used to earning£200+ etc.,etc.you also spend more(i do anyway) ;D
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Well?
So the 2 today that had over £400 on their sheets did get it all done. Like I said they left the yard at 7am, have the jobs all routed in the most efficient order, have large 700L tanks each so can work with a high flow and not run out. They also have to stay out until at least 4.30 unless finished. Then you factor in prices for the south which of course are higher. As I said before I never worked like that. How many one man bands work that hard every single day? Not many I bet. £400 days here and there are common for us. A more normal day is something over £300. Only one of our team came in with less than £300 today
The "well?" Was for NWH. I have absolutely no doubt what your vans are earning. ;)
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Well?
So the 2 today that had over £400 on their sheets did get it all done. Like I said they left the yard at 7am, have the jobs all routed in the most efficient order, have large 700L tanks each so can work with a high flow and not run out. They also have to stay out until at least 4.30 unless finished. Then you factor in prices for the south which of course are higher. As I said before I never worked like that. How many one man bands work that hard every single day? Not many I bet. £400 days here and there are common for us. A more normal day is something over £300. Only one of our team came in with less than £300 today
I would have thought leaving the yard at 7 and getting back at 16:30 and just worrying about getting the work done £400 a day should be the minimum? But then your prices are a bit cheaper so I suppose it's about getting customers in to keep the guys busy.
The sole traders who run the business, quote jobs, organise the days and do the work it would be harder. But still possible in the South once the work is refined and is of high quality.
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If I replied properly Bungle would wake up
Hi Tom 👍
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If I was working from 7am to 4:30pm every day I'd probably end up in hospital with exhaustion :-[. Then I'd be earning nothing.
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So the 2 today that had over £400 on their sheets did get it all done. Like I said they left the yard at 7am, have the jobs all routed in the most efficient order, have large 700L tanks each so can work with a high flow and not run out. They also have to stay out until at least 4.30 unless finished. Then you factor in prices for the south which of course are higher. As I said before I never worked like that. How many one man bands work that hard every single day? Not many I bet. £400 days here and there are common for us. A more normal day is something over £300. Only one of our team came in with less than £300 today
The "well?" Was for NWH. I have absolutely no doubt what your vans are earning. ;)
I know. I didnt select to quote that, I clicked to reply only so not sure what happened there
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If I was working from 7am to 4:30pm every day I'd probably end up in hospital with exhaustion :-[. Then I'd be earning nothing.
Most are back before that. As I said earlier in the thread my first cleaner was back at 2;30pm with £346 done and the worksheet finished. I just put the rule in so they are not rocking up without finishing because they have had enough.
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It wasn't that long ago, a couple or so years ago, that we used to talk on here about earning £200 a day being the norm. Now a lot of guys refer to £300 a day being their aim to earn on any working day.
When will £400 a day be what is thought of as par for the course?
I'm definitely not in that bracket! I know two brothers that would p#ss on that by 12 o'clock everyday, but they live & breath for window cleaning (sad really).I think to aim for that as the norm is based on your personality, and you have to be quite selfish to be that successful! I personally aim for £180 -£220 a day! For a man/woman who is uneducated i think you could say you have overachieved slightly to earn that type of money! I just hang on to the fact that i'm self-employed,because anyone who love's window cleaning is seriously mentally ill!
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25k is an average maybe but let’s look at how many WCs still take a lot of cash and don’t declare it,if you are cleaning a lot of small properties the chances are a lot of them will be paid in cash. 25k a year at 20% tax so you end up with 1600 a month supposedly out of that,that’s fair enough then so at the end of the month I’ll have just about enough for a couple of meals out and a tank of petrol,seems to me like it’s doable yeah well it would be if I lived in a tin hut and had no need for money.
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People will always think I don’t do it so it can’t be done,I work my balls off and don’t earn that so it’s impossible. Sounds like North and South prices and miles apart judging by different opinions on this,either that or people are charging just enough to get by on,I thought when your self employed you had to earn over and above what you need to live on in order to be able to keep trading due to always being owed money it’s the nature of the beast.
If your earning 1-150 a day how can you live with money always being outstanding and some people not paying for a couple of months,in the south rent-mortgages with council tax alone exceed 1500 per calender month when you see it from that point of view it makes that daily rate impossible to live on.
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25k is an average maybe but let’s look at how many WCs still take a lot of cash and don’t declare it,if you are cleaning a lot of small properties the chances are a lot of them will be paid in cash. 25k a year at 20% tax so you end up with 1600 a month supposedly out of that,that’s fair enough then so at the end of the month I’ll have just about enough for a couple of meals out and a tank of petrol,seems to me like it’s doable yeah well it would be if I lived in a tin hut and had no need for money.
Your either on a windup or your an idiot, my money is on a windup.
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25k is an average maybe but let’s look at how many WCs still take a lot of cash and don’t declare it,if you are cleaning a lot of small properties the chances are a lot of them will be paid in cash. 25k a year at 20% tax so you end up with 1600 a month supposedly out of that,that’s fair enough then so at the end of the month I’ll have just about enough for a couple of meals out and a tank of petrol,seems to me like it’s doable yeah well it would be if I lived in a tin hut and had no need for money.
Your either on a windup or your an idiot, my money is on a windup.
My money's on the latter! ;D
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I’ll give you 3 x your take that’s what they go for these days in it a round on here,I’ll just look in my ashtray in the van and pop round with the cash 😂😘
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It wasn't that long ago, a couple or so years ago, that we used to talk on here about earning £200 a day being the norm. Now a lot of guys refer to £300 a day being their aim to earn on any working day.
When will £400 a day be what is thought of as par for the course?
I'm definitely not in that bracket! I know two brothers that would p#ss on that by 12 o'clock everyday, but they live & breath for window cleaning (sad really).I think to aim for that as the norm is based on your personality, and you have to be quite selfish to be that successful! I personally aim for £180 -£220 a day! For a man/woman who is uneducated i think you could say you have overachieved slightly to earn that type of money! I just hang on to the fact that i'm self-employed,because anyone who love's window cleaning is seriously mentally ill!
People will always think I don’t do it so it can’t be done,I work my balls off and don’t earn that so it’s impossible. Sounds like North and South prices and miles apart judging by different opinions on this,either that or people are charging just enough to get by on,I thought when your self employed you had to earn over and above what you need to live on in order to be able to keep trading due to always being owed money it’s the nature of the beast.
If your earning 1-150 a day how can you live with money always being outstanding and some people not paying for a couple of months,in the south rent-mortgages with council tax alone exceed 1500 per calender month when you see it from that point of view it makes that daily rate impossible to live on.
I agree aith some of these aspects. There are so many variables involved. Certainly the area, wealth in the area and customers attitudes can to a point dictate prices charged. Then there is the mind set if the sole trader; business mind set or its just a job idealogy. Which couples in with whatever the sole traders goals are. For some its just to get by; perhaps other religous activities are the main goals. For some others its just to be able to provide a steady living for themselves // family. Whilst others its to build an empire or become an empire of window cleaners etc.
So depending upon these variables, prices are made with the end game in mind
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40 or 50 quid to some customers is pittance if you own a big house and earn 2-300 grand a year 40-50 quid to the window cleaner is something they find in an old jacket pocket,then again if your cleaning houses on coronation street then it’s different gravy every penny counts and all that I’d rather clean the blokes house that’s got the old jacket far less aggro.
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It wasn't that long ago, a couple or so years ago, that we used to talk on here about earning £200 a day being the norm. Now a lot of guys refer to £300 a day being their aim to earn on any working day.
When will £400 a day be what is thought of as par for the course?
I'm definitely not in that bracket! I know two brothers that would p#ss on that by 12 o'clock everyday, but they live & breath for window cleaning (sad really).I think to aim for that as the norm is based on your personality, and you have to be quite selfish to be that successful! I personally aim for £180 -£220 a day! For a man/woman who is uneducated i think you could say you have overachieved slightly to earn that type of money! I just hang on to the fact that i'm self-employed,because anyone who love's window cleaning is seriously mentally ill!
People will always think I don’t do it so it can’t be done,I work my balls off and don’t earn that so it’s impossible. Sounds like North and South prices and miles apart judging by different opinions on this,either that or people are charging just enough to get by on,I thought when your self employed you had to earn over and above what you need to live on in order to be able to keep trading due to always being owed money it’s the nature of the beast.
If your earning 1-150 a day how can you live with money always being outstanding and some people not paying for a couple of months,in the south rent-mortgages with council tax alone exceed 1500 per calender month when you see it from that point of view it makes that daily rate impossible to live on.
I agree aith some of these aspects. There are so many variables involved. Certainly the area, wealth in the area and customers attitudes can to a point dictate prices charged. Then there is the mind set if the sole trader; business mind set or its just a job idealogy. Which couples in with whatever the sole traders goals are. For some its just to get by; perhaps other religous activities are the main goals. For some others its just to be able to provide a steady living for themselves // family. Whilst others its to build an empire or become an empire of window cleaners etc.
So depending upon these variables, prices are made with the end game in mind
Nathan you need to stop with the business babble nonsense, ok you put your prices up, good for you, now give yourself a pat on the back and get over it.
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there doing much more here all the guys we ever talk to do 500 aday start at 10 finshed at 2pm !
the only thing i can thing of i where we are going wrong is we need to bin the new vans replace with rusty old rubbish and buy alloy poles like there still useng
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I think the fact of the matter is, if HMRC are saying the average window cleaner Is earning 25k then even if there not declaring it all, there not earning an extra 25k and stuffing it under the bed. Not even an extra 10k.
This is one man bands of course. Two operatives can clear £250 + easily.
But on the whole, most one man bands will be earning between £100-150 a day.
That doesn’t mean some aren’t earning more, we can see lees guys are far over that average, I don’t doubt that. I doubt weather they do as good a job as a sole trader. By nature employees care less.
I’ve employed 3 people over the years, and it’s very hard to get a good worker who thinks like yourself and works hard with attention to detail. They will be more tempted to fly through work and cut corners, whereas the business owner is more inclined to be careful.
Where I am in the south east, £20 houses are pretty normal, so it doesn’t take long to hit £200, but for someone like Adam Thompson up north, that’s not possible, but then, his cost of living is less.
I think in conclusion, the average daily rate varies hugely by area, but the overall average is proabably somewhere near what HMRC say. Especially with electronic payments becoming so much more popular.
For me to hit £400 a day, I’d need all my houses around the £30-40 mark, at the moment that’s not the case, and for most, they’d probably be in the same boat.
Commercial is a different story, for me commercial is king. £400 a day for commercial work is very very achievable. It’s just a shame it’s not everyday!
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Dry clean......give it a rest trying to dismantle what im saying. For alot of shiners they wouldnt dream of charging a tenner per house never mind 50 quid or more. On so many forums when pricing is discussed you get such a contrast between each shiner. But you always get the ones who say they feel ones who charge a tenner or more are robbing people!! So on that basis or thinking then NO there will never hit 300 a day never mind 400.
Then you get the ones who are full of bull who tell you they earn x amount and as susan say they use rubbish equipment and the trad uses dont even have decent pouches or uniform and taking them at face value you certainly wouldnt trust them.
Tony mentioned "brothers" being window cleaners and they are probably window cleaners to make enough money to get by n live and spend more time in their religion pioneering.
So peoples aim n purposes in life can and will influence how much they want/can earn oer day. Then that might determine which areas they target to work in, to maximise this. Ie, working council estates for a full day certainly wont make the maximum profit for your work.
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Dry clean......give it a rest trying to dismantle what im saying. For alot of shiners they wouldnt dream of charging a tenner per house never mind 50 quid or more. On so many forums when pricing is discussed you get such a contrast between each shiner. But you always get the ones who say they feel ones who charge a tenner or more are robbing people!! So on that basis or thinking then NO there will never hit 300 a day never mind 400.
Then you get the ones who are full of bull who tell you they earn x amount and as susan say they use rubbish equipment and the trad uses dont even have decent pouches or uniform and taking them at face value you certainly wouldnt trust them.
Tony mentioned "brothers" being window cleaners and they are probably window cleaners to make enough money to get by n live and spend more time in their religion pioneering.
So peoples aim n purposes in life can and will influence how much they want/can earn oer day. Then that might determine which areas they target to work in, to maximise this. Ie, working council estates for a full day certainly wont make the maximum profit for your work.
More babble, doesn't matter what your goals are in life the question is can a sole trader earn £400 a day, there will be some
who will be able to get that ( according to evidence not many ) and there will be others who no matter how hard they work and how confident and driven they are to succeed wont, there's no need to babble on and on about peoples mind sets to explain this.
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I’ve lived (and window cleaned) in both north and south, and the regional variation that everyone keeps talking about is not as big as many think.
When I moved to the north, I didn’t alter my southern prices and still got the work I wanted. People will pay for good service no matter where they live. But good prices are only part of the story.
In my opinion, I cannot emphasise enough the importance of good equipment. A good, newish vehicle with a professionally built and installed system, top notch poles that get replaced as soon as they’re worn. Having gear that all works flawlessly means you’ll work efficiently. That means speed, and speed means more money per day. Time really is money.
Also, any small ways you can find to reduce your fatigue will pay dividends in speed.
Perfect example; I used to have metal hose reels, heavy but tough and long lasting. Lifting them in and out of the van took quite an effort. I got rid of them and bought plastic hose reels, MUCH lighter. Lifting them in and out is far easier. They last about 6 months then I replace them. If that small energy saving means I’m less tired and can keep a good speed up till the end of the day, then it’s worth it. Even if that just saves 5 minutes per day, that’s about £65 per month.
Another example; I do not knock when I’m finished, I always post a card even if the customer is in. That saves time chatting to the customer, sorting change etc. If you save 2 minutes per customer that can be worth about £25 per day, and so ~£430 per month.
Anything that increases your speed is worth doing. You might find a new piece of equipment, or a new way of working, that increases your speed by just 1%. “Big deal” some would say, but find 10 things like that and your income just rose by 10%.
Perhaps the ultimate example is using a van instead of a car. Yes it costs more, but it means more efficient working, therefore greater speed, and therefore more money every day.
Efficient working can easily be the difference between earning a good daily rate and earning a great daily rate.
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there doing much more here all the guys we ever talk to do 500 aday start at 10 finshed at 2pm !
the only thing i can thing of i where we are going wrong is we need to bin the new vans replace with rusty old rubbish and buy alloy poles like there still useng
Its a window cleaning thing Susan, I was talking to a guy a few weeks back who is now working for a delivery company, ok money but nothing special, he was still bragging about the money he was making when he was a shiner.
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A daily turnover of £200+ in the south-east is readily achievable. However, I prefer to pace myself as my back and elbows keep letting me know when I've overdone it. I don't see the point of hitting £270 - £300 a day then needing a few days off or having to work at half pace for a week while my back sorts itself out. So I go for daily targets that my body can sustain without too much duress.
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Dry clean......give it a rest trying to dismantle what im saying. For alot of shiners they wouldnt dream of charging a tenner per house never mind 50 quid or more. On so many forums when pricing is discussed you get such a contrast between each shiner. But you always get the ones who say they feel ones who charge a tenner or more are robbing people!! So on that basis or thinking then NO there will never hit 300 a day never mind 400.
Then you get the ones who are full of bull who tell you they earn x amount and as susan say they use rubbish equipment and the trad uses dont even have decent pouches or uniform and taking them at face value you certainly wouldnt trust them.
Tony mentioned "brothers" being window cleaners and they are probably window cleaners to make enough money to get by n live and spend more time in their religion pioneering.
So peoples aim n purposes in life can and will influence how much they want/can earn oer day. Then that might determine which areas they target to work in, to maximise this. Ie, working council estates for a full day certainly wont make the maximum profit for your work.
More babble, doesn't matter what your goals are in life the question is can a sole trader earn £400 a day, there will be some
who will be able to get that ( according to evidence not many ) and there will be others who no matter how hard they work and how confident and driven they are to succeed wont, there's no need to babble on and on about peoples mind sets to explain this.
Dont think u n me will agree on anything really. But hey ho, bet neither of us care ;D
But mind set has alot to do with it. If you want to make the money you go where the money is. You dont stay within say a 10 mile radius of where you live. You put in the effort and think out side the box in order to do so. I believe on other threads ones have mentioned about looking at the house market, seeing which houses are for sale/bought n the value of such and will target these. Others travel some distance to make their money. But if your drive isnt to make money then these extra efforts are a waste of time.
So can people earn more than 300 and close to 400 as a one man band. Im sure they can with effort and yes depending where they live and work. Does everybody want to earn between 300 n 400 might be the better question.
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Dry clean......give it a rest trying to dismantle what im saying. For alot of shiners they wouldnt dream of charging a tenner per house never mind 50 quid or more. On so many forums when pricing is discussed you get such a contrast between each shiner. But you always get the ones who say they feel ones who charge a tenner or more are robbing people!! So on that basis or thinking then NO there will never hit 300 a day never mind 400.
Then you get the ones who are full of bull who tell you they earn x amount and as susan say they use rubbish equipment and the trad uses dont even have decent pouches or uniform and taking them at face value you certainly wouldnt trust them.
Tony mentioned "brothers" being window cleaners and they are probably window cleaners to make enough money to get by n live and spend more time in their religion pioneering.
So peoples aim n purposes in life can and will influence how much they want/can earn oer day. Then that might determine which areas they target to work in, to maximise this. Ie, working council estates for a full day certainly wont make the maximum profit for your work.
More babble, doesn't matter what your goals are in life the question is can a sole trader earn £400 a day, there will be some
who will be able to get that ( according to evidence not many ) and there will be others who no matter how hard they work and how confident and driven they are to succeed wont, there's no need to babble on and on about peoples mind sets to explain this.
Dont think u n me will agree on anything really. But hey ho, bet neither of us care ;D
But mind set has alot to do with it. If you want to make the money you go where the money is. You dont stay within say a 10 mile radius of where you live. You put in the effort and think out side the box in order to do so. I believe on other threads ones have mentioned about looking at the house market, seeing which houses are for sale/bought n the value of such and will target these. Others travel some distance to make their money. But if your drive isnt to make money then these extra efforts are a waste of time.
So can people earn more than 300 and close to 400 as a one man band. Im sure they can with effort and yes depending where they live and work. Does everybody want to earn between 300 n 400 might be the better question.
Could they not earn £500 or do you have some sort of formula that rounds it of to £300 and close to £400 ?
Plus if we all travel to NWH's area do you not think it may get crowed with not enough work to go around ?
Then for a lot by the time they drive to NWH's area and back there wont be any time left to clean any windows.
Maybe you think there are these little pockets of riches dotted about nationwide and not enough shiners who are motivated enough to drive 20 miles up the road and find them.
Now come on Nathan its time to give the old head a wobble and drop this nonsense.
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the truth is most of you southerners will be WORSE OFF than us northerners even if you hit £300-£400 a day due to crazy house prices and the general ridiculously high prices of everything.
my middle brother lives in surrey and his house cost £370,000!! :o ....and its an end terraced house and that was a few years ago!it ll probably cost more now!my brother says its £10 for a burger down there and £8 for a pint of lager/beer! ::)roll
he was also paying £1800 a month rent for years and years when he lived in wimbledon(mines £308 a month).so over the course of a year he was paying nearly £18,000 more than me!!over 5 years thats nearly £90,000!!!SERIOUS MONEY! ::)roll.
the best way to carve out a comfortable living in window cleaning as a sole trader is to focus your work in very affluent areas with good prices and live in the cheaper areas 15-20 min drive away with much lower living costs. ;) :)
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the truth is most of you southerners will be WORSE OFF than us northerners even if you hit £300-£400 a day due to crazy house prices and the general ridiculously high prices of everything.
my middle brother lives in surrey and his house cost £370,000!! :o ....and its an end terraced house and that was a few years ago!it ll probably cost more now!my brother says its £10 for a burger down there and £8 for a pint of lager/beer! ::)roll
he was also paying £1800 a month rent for years and years when he lived in wimbledon(mines £308 a month).so over the course of a year he was paying nearly £18,000 more than me!!over 5 years thats nearly £90,000!!!SERIOUS MONEY! ::)roll.
the best way to carve out a comfortable living in window cleaning as a sole trader is to focus your work in very affluent areas with good prices and live in the cheaper areas 15-20 min drive away with much lower living costs. ;) :)
House prices and rent certainly yes, everything else not really (perhaps service industry as well like window cleaning, gardening etc)
Tesco's etc same price wherever you are
Petrol about the same again
If i order something off the internet it's the same price wherever you live.
Ive just bought a brand new van it cost the same here in Essex as it would of done living in the deepest North.
Beer is not £8 a pint down here (perhaps in central london in some snobby bar) around £3.50 in my local pubs.
£10 for a burger perhaps in a large burger chain restaurant (byon etc) in general no its not that amount.
The best thing to do is have a house at crazy prices here then sell it and retire up north ;D
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25k is an average maybe but let’s look at how many WCs still take a lot of cash and don’t declare it,if you are cleaning a lot of small properties the chances are a lot of them will be paid in cash. 25k a year at 20% tax so you end up with 1600 a month supposedly out of that,that’s fair enough then so at the end of the month I’ll have just about enough for a couple of meals out and a tank of petrol,seems to me like it’s doable yeah well it would be if I lived in a tin hut and had no need for money.
Depends where you live and what your partner earns as well.
If you and a partner take home 1600 each and your household bills (except food and fuel) come in at a grand you've still got a couple of k between you left which is fairly comfy imo.
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my brother says its £10 for a burger down there and £8 for a pint of lager/beer! ::)roll
Methinks your brother tells porkies.
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Definate porky Slacky 😆
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the truth is most of you southerners will be WORSE OFF than us northerners even if you hit £300-£400 a day due to crazy house prices and the general ridiculously high prices of everything.
I have to agree here. Prices here in Surrey are a complete and utter rip off.
Its a nice area and all, but no nicer than anywhere else.
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the truth is most of you southerners will be WORSE OFF than us northerners even if you hit £300-£400 a day due to crazy house prices and the general ridiculously high prices of everything.
I have to agree here. Prices here in Surrey are a complete and utter rip off.
Its a nice area and all, but no nicer than anywhere else.
'Nice'ness isn't what influences the prices, its convenience and being you're on the edge of the M25 its more convenient than anywhere else. Milk it.
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Our guys average just under £150 per day working 7am to 5pm daily. I can't imagine how you could do the work involved in earning £400.
Vin
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Our guys average just under £150 per day working 7am to 5pm daily. I can't imagine how you could do the work involved in earning £400.
Vin
Lol 😉
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Convenient living next to the m25? I've been on it at different times and on different days! It's a bloody nightmare. It crawls at best. No wonder they don't talk to each other down there, they're in constant state of travel stress. They do seem to find their tongues though on a keyboard. It must be an eye contact thing 😎
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think you lot all need to pull your fingers out
average day in the west country 11=2pm and fridays off £600 and nothing less
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think you lot all need to pull your fingers out
average day in the west country 11=2pm and fridays off £600 and nothing less
how on earth do you earn £200 per hour?
not saying you cant btw just curious as to what kind of work earns that?
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think you lot all need to pull your fingers out
average day in the west country 11=2pm and fridays off £600 and nothing less
how on earth do you earn £200 per hour?
not saying you cant btw just curious as to what kind of work earns that?
He's joking, same with Vin as his guys get £30 for a medium semi so could reach the £400 a day mark.
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think you lot all need to pull your fingers out
average day in the west country 11=2pm and fridays off £600 and nothing less
how on earth do you earn £200 per hour?
not saying you cant btw just curious as to what kind of work earns that?
and dont leave the house ;D
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Rent a nothing special house down this way for between 12-1400 a month without council tax,up north that would buy you one 😂,it’s a bubble in parts down here you have to know certain areas and house prices to believe it. On the other scale of things there are people renting in places that I work for 5k a month so 40-50 notes for Windows doesn’t raise any eyebrows they still think your poor.
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I do several small hamlets and you can't buy a house for less than 500k minimal in any of them. Rarely have any of them got cash, nearly all pay bank transfers which I prefer as it's straight in the bank
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the truth is most of you southerners will be WORSE OFF than us northerners even if you hit £300-£400 a day due to crazy house prices and the general ridiculously high prices of everything.
my middle brother lives in surrey and his house cost £370,000!! :o ....and its an end terraced house and that was a few years ago!it ll probably cost more now!my brother says its £10 for a burger down there and £8 for a pint of lager/beer! ::)roll
he was also paying £1800 a month rent for years and years when he lived in wimbledon(mines £308 a month).so over the course of a year he was paying nearly £18,000 more than me!!over 5 years thats nearly £90,000!!!SERIOUS MONEY! ::)roll.
the best way to carve out a comfortable living in window cleaning as a sole trader is to focus your work in very affluent areas with good prices and live in the cheaper areas 15-20 min drive away with much lower living costs. ;) :)
Are you on drugs?
House prices are different yes which is to our advantage but everything else is the same.
4pint of milk £1
Loaf of bread £1
Pint of beer £3/4
Diesal £1.18
Etc
Etc
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Exactly and they are not 15-20quid cleans are they this is my point so the amount mentioned is easily achieved especially the lower amount no problem if you have enough of these properties.
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Exactly and they are not 15-20quid cleans are they this is my point so the amount mentioned is easily achieved especially the lower amount no problem if you have enough of these properties.
You keep swithering Nigel whether this 100k per year, or 400 per day is the norm or not.
You never answered the earlier question- seeing as you imply that the 400 per day is "easily achieved" now- do you earn 100k per year? If not then why not?
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Indeed, if my cream work was all close together over a three-day period (for instance), I could do £400 a day for those three days.
However, it isn't. It's interspersed with other work and spread throughout the round.
I see no reason why, in time, someone wouldn't be able to have most of their work at those prices if they were prepared to work hard at refining their round.
The problem is the old one about a bird in hand worth two in the bush though. Would I be prepared to take on one larger, very-well paid house and drop maybe three or four moderately-priced semis to make room for it - especially when there is a greater chance of losing the well-priced job if someone puts in a far cheaper quotation. Generally, I wouldn't. I keep both lots and work even harder to make time for both. I imagine that most shiners would.
If willing to take on staff, it's not an issue, but if wanting to remain a sole trader, there comes a point when you can't physically do more.
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The question of the thread is 400 the norm not what does Nigel earn a day,is that the norm in certain parts no not the norm but very close,although 2 men from 1 van is not the norm in certain places it’s average it’s done at a canter 🐎
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Is it the norm for Cumbucket to bite like a hungry fish at money threads,yes it’s the norm.
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Is it the norm for Cumbucket to bite like a hungry fish at money threads,yes it’s the norm.
You are a sad little man. Why don't you do us all a favour and get diagnosed and medicated. I'm out of this asylum for good.
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So, it's not the norm but it's easy and simple to achieve and still you don't achieve it? It's not money threads that dangle the carrot, it's persistent BS'ers!! ;)
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Is it the norm for Cumbucket to bite like a hungry fish at money threads,yes it’s the norm.
You are a sad little man. Why don't you do us all a favour and get diagnosed and medicated. I'm out of this asylum for good.
He's more to be pitied, there is clearly something lacking!! ::)roll
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The above comments from dazmond were spot on in everything he said,you hear so so many WCs say the works on my doorstep it’s easier well yes it may be easier as it’s very little driving but would it be financially better to travel half an hour to get 2-3 times the prices. The more built up the area your working in is they’ll be far more competition and the majority will have less money than those with a house and 4-5 acres of garden,I can’t see the debate here it’s obvious which is better. You may earn the same but for in most cases double the workload and twice the stress,wheat chaff wheat chaff is the only way to give yourself less work for the same in your pocket for less jobs-work.
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Fair point but it might be more like an hour's drive to decent areas if you are in the middle of a big city, traffic can be a factor.
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It really isn’t an is it possible or not possible debate on this subject prices wherever you clean Windows in the U.K. will be more in rural areas especially in the South of the country. If your working in an affluent area the money is less of an issue some customers still want different quotes but if all the WCs have an 8th of a brain they’ll all be similar,prices down this neck of the woods may be hard to believe but so is the cost of living if you weren’t earning enough to be able live somewhere in the immediate area they wouldn’t have there Windows cleaned would they. If you were paying 500 a month to heat your indoor pool I don’t think you’d be that bothered about 20-30 quid extra to have your windows cleaned that’s the reality.
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Parts of Surrey oxshot cobham and such places are amoung the most expensive places to live mega money to live there huge lovely houses,2-3 hours to clean 1 of em got to be worth 25-30 quid each 😂
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So, again, are you on 100k per year Nigel?
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Lol wouldn’t you like to know weeee ladddddy 😂 maybe but I ain’t about to give 40k of it back.
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I earn about 50 quid a day times are hard down south ask all the retired bankers that are at a ripe old age of 55 with a 4x4 for shopping an Aston that’s 12 months old with a flat battery coz it doesn’t move 😂 different gravy pal it’s a bubble in some parts they think the world ends after the M25.
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Says it all. Dreamer!! ;D ;D lol. ;D
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Lol honestly it’s a complete bubble they don’t watch the news they watch countryfile 😂 there’s quiet a few Scotsman’s down here won’t have there Windows cleaned though.
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You are "evidently" full to the brim of the Brown stuff Nigel! ;D
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Yeah I like my coffee latte of course non of that one stops own you drink 😂,us Window cleaners down here pal we wear Green wellies to work.
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Who cares how much one can earn??? All that matters is 'are you happy cleaning windows and does it pay the bills and leave some profit to live on' . If another window cleaner is earning £300 a day I'm not jealous, good on him as he would be driving up prices for all those who aim high. If another window cleaner is earning £100 a day I wouldn't want to be working where he works as I would have an uphill battle trying to win over customers at a sensible price to make it worthwhile.
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Nothing wrong at all with earning 100 a day I find that when I’ve done that amount though the traffic when the kids are going to school is a nightmare 😂💰💰💰💰💰💰
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NWH - are you a full time kn0b or is it more evenings and weekends?
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Now now Alan no need for insults, remember half an hour up the road there will be a plethora of properties on large plots
with swimming pools all occupied by rich dummies who are that desperate for a shiner that they will pay anything to get one,
tip.... offer to do their conservatory roofs for free and you will get the lot.
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Now now Alan no need for insults, remember half an hour up the road there will be a plethora of properties on large plots
with swimming pools all occupied by rich dummies who are that desperate for a shiner that they will pay anything to get one,
tip.... offer to do their conservatory roofs for free and you will get the lot.
Exactly. The boasters on here are just scraping by and desperately offer free stuff. Sad really.
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plethora, love it ;D
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The amount of times me and big are mentioned in the same sentence I’ve lost count.
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I got in trouble this morning kissing the mirror I was.
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This thread does make me laugh it says is it possible to do 400 a day and the minute someone says it is your boasting 😂,some people are just happy keeping company with the strugglers it’s the great old British mentality.
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This thread does make me laugh it says is it possible to do 400 a day and the minute someone says it is your boasting 😂,some people are just happy keeping company with the strugglers it’s the great old British mentality.
That just shows how deluded you are!! ;D
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I got in trouble this morning kissing the mirror I was.
Does the "N" in your name stand for Narcissus? :)
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I got in trouble this morning kissing the mirror I was.
Does the "N" in your name stand for Narcissus? :)
No, it's another word ..... starts with a silent K !! :-0
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I got in trouble this morning kissing the mirror I was.
Does the "N" in your name stand for Narcissus? :)
No, it's another word ..... starts with a silent K !! :-0
A knight of the road, no less.
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I’ve been hitting £400 day’s easily for around the last 5 years. My best domestic day, was a manic 8-5ish just before going on holiday where I topped overs £650. I can’t remember the exact figure.
I don’t want to bust my balls every day though, so have never crammed my rounds to the point where I can’t keep up easily. I prefer to spread the work over a few shorter days than work 8-3 or 4pm each day.
And before anyone says you must be Vat registered or turn over in excess of £100k I’m not. I now choose to have around 6 days of work each month and let the franchisees bring me in a steady income.
Current minimum prices help, at least £15, even front only, or £20 whole house.
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NWH,
I’m going off the HMRC’s National window cleaners earnings, not myself (again, incase your referring to me)
The average window cleaner isn’t earning more than 25k a year, in fact, a lot less, that’s the point I’m making.
Is that employed or self employed. Either way it's an average, don't forget!
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Slightly off topic about grammar, but please google the difference between; There (as in; she's over there in the water fed pole van)
Their (as in; That's their slx-22, not mine) And they're (as in; they're over there in their van having an early lunch again)
It makes for tough reading on this forum. I mean come on, i know we're just dumb window cleaners but...
Also another one while i'm at it is, where, were and we're
Where (as in; Where about's is your window cleaning van gone, i think it's been nicked, mate) Were ( as in; were you in your van when they nicked your new carbon fiber pole) And, we're ( as in we're so rich earning all this money from shining)
Thanks ;D
GB
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It-s up two them we're they put there commas; apostrophes. and Punctuation.
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It-s up two them we're they put there commas; apostrophes. and Punctuation.
* It's up to them where they put their commas, apostrophes, and punctuation.
Yes, that's true. They can misspell, Use bad grammar and lack of punctuation as they see fit. All i'm saying is, it makes it hard to read!
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Slightly off topic about grammar, but please google the difference between; There (as in; she's over there in the water fed pole van)
Their (as in; That's their slx-22, not mine) And they're (as in; they're over there in their van having an early lunch again)
It makes for tough reading on this forum. I mean come on, i know we're just dumb window cleaners but...
Also another one while i'm at it is, where, were and we're
Where (as in; Where about's is your window cleaning van gone, i think it's been nicked, mate) Were ( as in; were you in your van when they nicked your new carbon fiber pole) And, we're ( as in we're so rich earning all this money from shining)
Thanks ;D
GB
If you're going to be picky GB you should write "I" and not "i" when referring to yourself.
Also ...
See the paragraph of your post which I have highlighted in red?
Here it is written correctly ...
Where (as in "Whereabouts has your window cleaning van gone, I think it's been nicked, mate!") Were (as in; "Were you in your van when they nicked your new carbon fibre pole?") And, we're; (as in; "We're so rich earning all this money from shining.")
Edited for last paragraph! ;D
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Well he did say he was dumb.
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Slightly off topic about grammar, but please google the difference between; There (as in; she's over there in the water fed pole van)
Their (as in; That's their slx-22, not mine) And they're (as in; they're over there in their van having an early lunch again)
It makes for tough reading on this forum. I mean come on, i know we're just dumb window cleaners but...
Also another one while i'm at it is, where, were and we're
Where (as in; Where about's is your window cleaning van gone, i think it's been nicked, mate) Were ( as in; were you in your van when they nicked your new carbon fiber pole) And, we're ( as in we're so rich earning all this money from shining)
Thanks ;D
GB
If you're going to be picky GB you should write "I" and not "i" when referring to yourself.
Thats a new one even for my massive brain ;D. Also, You should use a commas here:- "picky, GB, you"
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Go back and look at my edited post ... ;D
Nope! No need for commas where you say because I read and speak fluently without stopping needlessly. But I am happy to learn and so would grant that putting one after "GB" would work.
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Go back and look at my edited post ... ;D
Nope! No need for commas where you say because I read and speak fluently without stopping needlessly. But I am happy to learn and so would grant that putting one after "GB" would work.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the comma thing. Commas arn't just use as a pause in a sentence though, Granville. Don't take my word for it, google it.
The only mistake i can see you've corrected is use of a capital "i"? ;D
Anyway, i'm not overly picky. It's just the; where, were and we're thing mostly. You're a good speller, Granville. You must admit, it's hard to read some of these posts!? Don't tell me you don't have to re-read some of them over to correct it on the fly in your own mind? ;D
I make mistakes all the time, i'm sure. But, i mean... really people? ::)roll
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Anyway, ignore me. I'm in a funny mood today. Sorry if i offended anyone. Carry on! :)
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Oh yeah; I spelled whereabouts as two words. Very naughty of me! ;D ;D
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And maybe iv'e incorrectly and overused ";". But at least i'm trying to make it easy to read :P ;D
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Go back and look at my edited post ... ;D
Nope! No need for commas where you say because I read and speak fluently without stopping needlessly. But I am happy to learn and so would grant that putting one after "GB" would work.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the comma thing. Commas arn't (aren’t) just use(d) as a pause in a sentence though, Granville. Don't take my word for it, google it.
The only mistake i (I) can see you've corrected is use of a capital "i"? ;D
Anyway, i'm (I’m) not overly picky. It's just the;(not needed) where, were and we're thing mostly. You're a good speller though, Granville. You must admit, it's hard to read some of these posts!? Don't tell me you don't have to re-read some of them over to correct it on the fly in your own mind? ;D
I make mistakes all the time, i'm (I’m) sure. But,(not needed) i (I) mean... really people? ::)roll
You’re welcome.
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Go back and look at my edited post ... ;D
Nope! No need for commas where you say because I read and speak fluently without stopping needlessly. But I am happy to learn and so would grant that putting one after "GB" would work.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the comma thing. Commas arn't (aren’t) just use(d) as a pause in a sentence though, Granville. Don't take my word for it, google it.
The only mistake i (I) can see you've corrected is use of a capital "i"? ;D
Anyway, i'm (I’m) not overly picky. It's just the;(not needed) where, were and we're thing mostly. You're a good (though) speller, Granville. You must admit, it's hard to read some of these posts!? Don't tell me you don't have to re-read some of them over to correct it on the fly in your own mind? ;D
I make mistakes all the time, i'm (I’m) sure. But,(not needed) i (I) mean... really people? ::)roll
You’re welcome.
Thankyou kind Sir,
In my defense, my keyboard keys are rubbish. They often miss a letter unless i stab at them with my fingers! ;D That's all different from the; where, were and we're, their and there thing though.
Thanks again ;)
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Innit, Bruv!
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Go back and look at my edited post ... ;D
Nope! No need for commas where you say because I read and speak fluently without stopping needlessly. But I am happy to learn and so would grant that putting one after "GB" would work.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the comma thing. Commas arn't (aren’t) just use(d) as a pause in a sentence though, Granville. Don't take my word for it, google it.
The only mistake i (I) can see you've corrected is use of a capital "i"? ;D
Anyway, i'm (I’m) not overly picky. It's just the;(not needed) where, were and we're thing mostly. You're a good (though) speller, Granville. You must admit, it's hard to read some of these posts!? Don't tell me you don't have to re-read some of them over to correct it on the fly in your own mind? ;D
I make mistakes all the time, i'm (I’m) sure. But,(not needed) i (I) mean... really people? ::)roll
You’re welcome.
Thankyou kind Sir,
In my defense, my keyboard keys are rubbish. They often miss a letter unless i stab at them with my fingers! ;D That's all different from the; where, were and we're, their and there thing though.
Thanks again ;)
Workman, tools. lol
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Ummm ... that "i" thing again and it's defence not defense.
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;D hehehe
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the worst one is "i brought a new pole the other day".how many say BROUGHT instead of BOUGHT? ;D ;D ::)roll
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the worst one is "i brought a new pole the other day".how many say BROUGHT instead of BOUGHT? ;D ;D ::)roll
Capital I Dazmond, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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the worst one is "i brought a new pole the other day".how many say BROUGHT instead of BOUGHT? ;D ;D ::)roll
Capital I Dazmond, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Capital "I" Dazmond, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Fixed that for you.
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I/we will have turned over, over £400 today.
But there's two of us.
And £120 of that isn't from window cleaning.
But on the plus side, it's 2.20 pm and I've finished window cleaning (just filling up the van for tomorrow) and the rest of the dosh will be made photographing lycra-clad chubby - sweaty - women ; I ought to be paying them for the fun of it.
We didn't make a bean yesterday though; so swings and roundabouts.
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Well I just cleared £432 on my own today and its supposed to be my day of its Wednesday but gotta catch up from being ill last week so....
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Another lazy day for me just around the £140 mark , if I wasn't clearing another £700 or so a day from my rented properties I think Id be in trouble.
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😂👉🏽💩💕
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Another lazy day for me just around the £140 mark , if I wasn't clearing another £700 or so a day from my rented properties I think Id be in trouble.
So you’re ‘clearing’ around £250,000 a year from rental properties and still cleaning windows for £140 a day. 😂😂😂
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Another lazy day for me just around the £140 mark , if I wasn't clearing another £700 or so a day from my rented properties I think Id be in trouble.
So you’re ‘clearing’ around £250,000 a year from rental properties and still cleaning windows for £140 a day. 😂😂😂
Sounds like BS doesn't it, I wonder would Nathan lend me his shovel. lol.
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Another lazy day for me just around the £140 mark , if I wasn't clearing another £700 or so a day from my rented properties I think Id be in trouble.
So you’re ‘clearing’ around £250,000 a year from rental properties and still cleaning windows for £140 a day. 😂😂😂
Sounds like BS doesn't it, I wonder would Nathan lend me his shovel. lol.
He said i would be in trouble if he wasnt clearing 700 a day from rental income.
Its only 20k a month. Thats only 20 properties a month paying £1k each in rent.
Say its all mortgaged, and each property costs £850 a month that's a 17k monthly cost leaving him a pre tax income of £3k a month. Id say its quite feasible that he'd top that up window cleaning.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
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Its a sign of the times Slap, no such thing now as minding your own business and it seems that the only way to be popular is
to big yourself up, I suppose in window cleaning what else can you really brag about other than money.
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It would be interesting to see exactly what is showing on the tax returns of some individuals vs what they say they earn.
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I don't think any money should be discussed on this forum at all-including pricing. It's not ferkin rocket science fir heavens sake!! All it does is just allows the ones with small genitals to hijack the thread and massage their own egos!
It's pretty pointless anyway as there are so many variables no two situations are the same. If you haven't got the sense to charge accordingly then you should try another job.
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We don’t normally agree but tbh I know I jump on money threads like you but your right.
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the worst one is "i brought a new pole the other day".how many say BROUGHT instead of BOUGHT? ;D ;D ::)roll
Capital I Dazmond, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Capital "I" Dazmond, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Fixed that for you.
Comma after 'sin', innit?
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Its a sign of the times Slap, no such thing now as minding your own business and it seems that the only way to be popular is
to big yourself up, I suppose in window cleaning what else can you really brag about other than money.
The sex m8 I’m only in this job for the sex.
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Its only 20k a month. Thats only 20 properties a month paying £1k each in rent.
£1k a month rent is mental.
Though I think it's edging up towards that where I live, for decent three-bedroom houses.
House prices are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over-priced too.
It doesn't surprise me people voted for Brexit in the face of high immigration levels forcing rent/house prices up higher.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
Excellent post.
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The sex m8 I’m only in this job for the sex.
Corr I bet you've got a sore botty
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class.
Everything I know about myself, I have learnt from other people telling me so.
But at no point in my life has anyone said, "Hey, Tosh, you're a classy bloke" apart from once, when I drank a pint of vomit for a laugh.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class.
Everything I know about myself, I have learnt from other people telling me so.
But at no point in my life has anyone said, "Hey, Tosh, you're a classy bloke" apart from once, when I drank a pint of vomit for a laugh.
If your mates are unable to distinguish between “classy” and “attention seeking” you need to listen to other people and what they’re telling you.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class.
Everything I know about myself, I have learnt from other people telling me so.
But at no point in my life has anyone said, "Hey, Tosh, you're a classy bloke" apart from once, when I drank a pint of vomit for a laugh.
If your mates are unable to distinguish between “classy” and “attention seeking” you need to listen to other people and what they’re telling you.
None of my mates have class either though. And they were probably too busy playing 'freckles'. :'(
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
Excellent post.
Agree,
I made the mistake once of mentioning prices on this forum when I was after advice / encouragement regarding a big house that took me a day to clean. I'd only posted as it was a new thing to me and I was unsure as to whether I had charged enough. I didn't get any useful advice , only had my efforts mocked .
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
Excellent post.
Agree,
I made the mistake once of mentioning prices on this forum when I was after advice / encouragement regarding a big house that took me a day to clean. I'd only posted as it was a new thing to me and I was unsure as to whether I had charged enough. I didn't get any useful advice , only had my efforts mocked .
What useful info could you have actually got ? some bigshot in the south telling you they would have charged 4 times as much
and some cash squeezed shiner in the north saying you wouldn't get half of it.
If your happy with your days earnings then you have charged enough if not then ask for tips on how to get better prices, you
could have been genuine enough but the majority of price sharers on here only do it to brag.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
Excellent post.
Agree,
I made the mistake once of mentioning prices on this forum when I was after advice / encouragement regarding a big house that took me a day to clean. I'd only posted as it was a new thing to me and I was unsure as to whether I had charged enough. I didn't get any useful advice , only had my efforts mocked .
What useful info could you have actually got ?
Estimates of how long it would take. There are cheap shiners everywhere. There are also some surprisingly expensive ones. In my opinion the expensive ones tend to either be ones have plenty of work and been going years or new starters with Ionics systems and new/nearly new vans.
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Discussing income is a sign of no class and no class is worse than low class. These discussions are a want of big-ing oneself up among peers. It` shows an inherent lack of self-esteem. Always trying to B/S someone how successful you are. It's cheap and nasty. And never convinces anyone except the same Bull shutters. So what do we have here: A forum of low intelligent window cleaner trying to pull the wool over each other's eyes. I find it insulting to one`s intelligence. |I wish the tax man would just spend a week or two on this forum. He will catch a few but also expose the fools. It's a very dumb thing to do, discuss income on here.
What we should be discussing is the price we charge for our service and how we can improve our service and price.
o yes: if the boot fits you know what to do. Don`t tell me I am a nutter, try telling some who understand your ego like your shrink.
Excellent post.
Agree,
I made the mistake once of mentioning prices on this forum when I was after advice / encouragement regarding a big house that took me a day to clean. I'd only posted as it was a new thing to me and I was unsure as to whether I had charged enough. I didn't get any useful advice , only had my efforts mocked .
What useful info could you have actually got ? some bigshot in the south telling you they would have charged 4 times as much
and some cash squeezed shiner in the north saying you wouldn't get half of it.
If your happy with your days earnings then you have charged enough if not then ask for tips on how to get better prices, you
could have been genuine enough but the majority of price sharers on here only do it to brag.
Well that was my point dry clean and as you point out, why it was a mistake, I've refrained from mentioning anything to do with money or earnings ever since.
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account and as the above threads have shown, these ones are asking on a forum that covers people from the top of england all the way to lands end.
The best thing these ones can do is stick to their guns and the price they are happy with. Normally by time the job is done you know if it was right or not and if not, thats a little bit of experience to tuck under your belt for the next time and so on n so on.
Im sure thats how the vast majority of us who have been going for some years have learnt what we have. Lol I hate to say it but back in the day mobile phones were bricks and no chance of internet forums to check if its right or not. Sometimes this type of advancement can make some lazy and want the short cut to gain the knowledge and experience of shiners who have been doing this and adapting over the many years.
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account and as the above threads have shown, these ones are asking on a forum that covers people from the top of england all the way to lands end.
The best thing these ones can do is stick to their guns and the price they are happy with. Normally by time the job is done you know if it was right or not and if not, thats a little bit of experience to tuck under your belt for the next time and so on n so on.
Im sure thats how the vast majority of us who have been going for some years have learnt what we have. Lol I hate to say it but back in the day mobile phones were bricks and no chance of internet forums to check if its right or not. Sometimes this type of advancement can make some lazy and want the short cut to gain the knowledge and experience of shiners who have been doing this and adapting over the many years.
I couldn't be bothered to read past the first sentence but please don't patronise me. I realised my mistake as soon as I started reading the replies to my thread hence why I no longer discuss anything to do with prices on this forum. I thought my post above may have made that clear. I was merely agreeing with slaps comment earlier and adding my reasons, it didn't require a lecture on your objections ::)roll :P
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account and as the above threads have shown, these ones are asking on a forum that covers people from the top of england all the way to lands end.
The best thing these ones can do is stick to their guns and the price they are happy with. Normally by time the job is done you know if it was right or not and if not, thats a little bit of experience to tuck under your belt for the next time and so on n so on.
Im sure thats how the vast majority of us who have been going for some years have learnt what we have. Lol I hate to say it but back in the day mobile phones were bricks and no chance of internet forums to check if its right or not. Sometimes this type of advancement can make some lazy and want the short cut to gain the knowledge and experience of shiners who have been doing this and adapting over the many years.
I couldn't be bothered to read past the first sentence but please don't patronise me. I realised my mistake as soon as I started reading the replies to my thread hence why I no longer discuss anything to do with prices on this forum. I thought my post above may have made that clear.
Barry, sorry mate my thread wasnt aimed at you . I think too many on here like to attack people in particular and im trying not to as often im at the other end.
i only read last 2 posts and right or wrong just added my thoughts to what i thought was a discussion on pricing threads.
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account and as the above threads have shown, these ones are asking on a forum that covers people from the top of england all the way to lands end.
The best thing these ones can do is stick to their guns and the price they are happy with. Normally by time the job is done you know if it was right or not and if not, thats a little bit of experience to tuck under your belt for the next time and so on n so on.
Im sure thats how the vast majority of us who have been going for some years have learnt what we have. Lol I hate to say it but back in the day mobile phones were bricks and no chance of internet forums to check if its right or not. Sometimes this type of advancement can make some lazy and want the short cut to gain the knowledge and experience of shiners who have been doing this and adapting over the many years.
I couldn't be bothered to read past the first sentence but please don't patronise me. I realised my mistake as soon as I started reading the replies to my thread hence why I no longer discuss anything to do with prices on this forum. I thought my post above may have made that clear.
Barry, sorry mate my thread wasnt aimed at you . I think too many on here like to attack people in particular and im trying not to as often im at the other end.
i only read last 2 posts and right or wrong just added my thoughts to what i thought was a discussion on pricing threads.
;D no worries, just like getting the word "patronise' in to a reply to one of your comments :D ...... jokes probably wearing a bit thin :-X
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account and as the above threads have shown, these ones are asking on a forum that covers people from the top of england all the way to lands end.
The best thing these ones can do is stick to their guns and the price they are happy with. Normally by time the job is done you know if it was right or not and if not, thats a little bit of experience to tuck under your belt for the next time and so on n so on.
Im sure thats how the vast majority of us who have been going for some years have learnt what we have. Lol I hate to say it but back in the day mobile phones were bricks and no chance of internet forums to check if its right or not. Sometimes this type of advancement can make some lazy and want the short cut to gain the knowledge and experience of shiners who have been doing this and adapting over the many years.
I couldn't be bothered to read past the first sentence but please don't patronise me. I realised my mistake as soon as I started reading the replies to my thread hence why I no longer discuss anything to do with prices on this forum. I thought my post above may have made that clear.
Barry, sorry mate my thread wasnt aimed at you . I think too many on here like to attack people in particular and im trying not to as often im at the other end.
i only read last 2 posts and right or wrong just added my thoughts to what i thought was a discussion on pricing threads.
;D no worries, just like getting the word "patronise' in to a reply to one of your comments :D ...... jokes probably wearing a bit thin :-X
;D ;D
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My objection to ones asking for pricing help is the fact that theres so many variables to take into account
Customers can be just as bad.
You get a text, saying, 'How much to clean the windows on my house'. They get ignored.
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Customers can be just as bad.
You get a text, saying, 'How much to clean the windows on my house'. They get ignored.
Reminds me of a text message I received one Sunday morning around 11 am the other year:
"Hi are you working today? I live at Flat 10 (4th floor) blah blah blah, I've got 5 windows that need cleaning, can you come and clean my windows today, i'll be here until 3pm or I can leave £5 under the door mat. "
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Well I am truly blessed to have set up in Canada just over 4 years ago and earn between 500 and 600 pounds or between $800 to $1000 CAD per day gross. Includes gutter vacuuming too. I recently added roof demossing and thus far my best day has been over $2000 CAD (son helped on this day). I do this with no employees, well I drag my teenager son out on the odd weekend or holiday in order to keep up but basically I move like the wind all day at 52 years of age. I happen to be in a town that is doing well economically and did not have a bunch "race you to the bottom" competitors. I head out in disbelief every day. I am getting paid like a doctor while I clean for few of them along the way. Crazy great business that I should have started years ago.
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Well I am truly blessed to have set up in Canada just over 4 years ago and earn between 500 and 600 pounds or between $800 to $1000 CAD per day gross. Includes gutter vacuuming too. I recently added roof demossing and thus far my best day has been over $2000 CAD (son helped on this day). I do this with no employees, well I drag my teenager son out on the odd weekend or holiday in order to keep up but basically I move like the wind all day at 52 years of age. I happen to be in a town that is doing well economically and did not have a bunch "race you to the bottom" competitors. I head out in disbelief every day. I am getting paid like a doctor while I clean for few of them along the way. Crazy great business that I should have started years ago.
Ssshhhh! Dont tell too many people that, or more will enter the market.
;D
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Well I am truly blessed to have set up in Canada just over 4 years ago and earn between 500 and 600 pounds or between $800 to $1000 CAD per day gross. Includes gutter vacuuming too. I recently added roof demossing and thus far my best day has been over $2000 CAD (son helped on this day). I do this with no employees, well I drag my teenager son out on the odd weekend or holiday in order to keep up but basically I move like the wind all day at 52 years of age. I happen to be in a town that is doing well economically and did not have a bunch "race you to the bottom" competitors. I head out in disbelief every day. I am getting paid like a doctor while I clean for few of them along the way. Crazy great business that I should have started years ago.
Ssshhhh! Dont tell too many people that, or more will enter the market.
;D
Two words Nathan, Grizzly Bear. lol.
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With the greatest respect to everyone on here, turning over £400 a day could be achievable for some guys who have large rounds and operate more than 1 van with several other employees on minimum wages, but most of us operate alone without any additional labour!
I have employed guys in the past and always paid really well, (£12 per hour), starting at 8am and finished by 2pm, but everyone of those let me down or became greedy, so they were fired. They all thought whatever I turned over for the day was going into my back pocket without thinking I had to pay HMRC, the overheads of the van, equipment, servicing and insurances before even getting to wages.
Realistically, I aim to earn £200- £250 per day and thats working 8am - 2pm by myself.
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Your doing ok then what would you have to earn to end up with that yourself after you’ve paid someone.
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Well, Ive only gone and smashed it today!
Me on my lonesome travels, worked from 8 - 2pm and turned over £478. No breaks at all, just solid work and most jobs were reasonably close to each other. Pleased with that, but shoulders and neck are aching now!! :)
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Could someone pop out and fetch some popcorn please.
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Well, Ive only gone and smashed it today!
Me on my lonesome travels, worked from 8 - 2pm and turned over £478. No breaks at all, just solid work and most jobs were reasonably close to each other. Pleased with that, but shoulders and neck are aching now!! :)
What's the secret then taf?
how are you doing things to be able to £80.00 ph? Tell....
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Could someone pop out and fetch some popcorn please.
Awaits the naysayers,
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Another record day for me today 120 10 hours on the glass.
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Well, Ive only gone and smashed it today!
Me on my lonesome travels, worked from 8 - 2pm and turned over £478. No breaks at all, just solid work and most jobs were reasonably close to each other. Pleased with that, but shoulders and neck are aching now!! :)
You've only gone and made yourself look like a DI#K!!
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400 odd quid in a day the man must be mad impossible impossible can’t be done
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Funnily enough, my all-time record for a day was £399. I set it some years ago on a Sunday. I had a number of decently-priced commercial jobs. It was summertime, so I started very early and worked pretty solidly. I was knackered. I thought about driving 10 miles to another job to put me in the 400 club, but I would only have been doing it for bragging rights so didn't bother.
I regretted doing it the next day because my body suffered. I vowed not to do that again. Apart from that, some of those jobs are now ancient history.
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Funnily enough, my all-time record for a day was £399. I set it some years ago on a Sunday. I had a number of decently-priced commercial jobs. It was summertime, so I started very early and worked pretty solidly. I was knackered. I thought about driving 10 miles to another job to put me in the 400 club, but I would only have been doing it for bragging rights so didn't bother.
I regretted doing it the next day because my body suffered. I vowed not to do that again. Apart from that, some of those jobs are now ancient history.
Add in inflation and I think its safe to say your in the £400 club!
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You get a text, saying, 'How much to clean the windows on my house'. They get ignored.
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It's like they fall at the first hurdle.
So sad.
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You get a text, saying, 'How much to clean the windows on my house'. They get ignored.
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It's like they fall at the first hurdle.
So sad.
I can’t stand those ....
Her ‘How much do you charge ?’
Me ‘ charge for what?’
Her ‘ to clean windows?’
Me ‘ depends how big your house is , I clean 1 bed flats upto £1 million mansions’
Her ‘ I live round the corner , it’s like the one your cleaning ‘
Me ‘ oh ok , il need to see it - have you got a conservatory?’
Her ‘ yeah , quite a big one ‘
Me - in my head ‘ ffs how can I just give you a price then without seeing it?’
Me ‘ ok can I nip round and see it?’
Her ‘ sorry I’m just going out ‘
Me ‘ ok il post a slip ‘
Her ‘ ok but the gates locked so you won’t be able to get round the back’
Me ‘ ok , il see what I can do ‘
She drives off , I get in my van and carry on with my schedule
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Crazy!
But if you think of it this way, have you ever been in a shop and wanted to know the price of a product but didn't want to ask the "salesman" as you know they would try to sell it to you ?
Perhaps some people know they are no good at saying "no" and therefore attempt to steer clear of any such situation.
Whilst canvassing you experience this phenomenon. "Would you like the windows cleaned on a regular basis?"
"oh! yes please"
Next clean- no answer!!!!
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I got rid of one of my guys about 8 weeks ago so there’s just two of us covering 2 1/2 rounds not including add on jobs. I’ve got a replacement starting in January but until then we’ve both been flat out and our target every day is in excess of £400. This includes VAT, so 12% goes to HMRC but most days one or both go over that.
Today Dan did £420 including 4 First cleans and I did £380. Mine was only down because a booked gutter and conservatory job with a regular customer was beyond me. The guy I got rid of quoted it and it was turf over the conservatory. I had a go with the vac but I couldn’t be doing with the wasted time so I passed it onto another guy I know and just did the conservatory leaving me £90 down.
I came home and did a 4 mile run. Im 54. With well priced work and a half decent work ethic &400 a day is doable here.
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You don't look 54.
Perhaps the running leaves your skin with a wrinkle-like effect. Beats me.
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You don't look 54.
Perhaps the running leaves your skin with a wrinkle-like effect. Beats me.
Just like you dear! ;D
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I is a temple, I is.
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You don't look 54.
Perhaps the running leaves your skin with a wrinkle-like effect. Beats me.
Just like you dear! ;D
Nice to see you posting again 8 weekly. Don't leave it so long next time.
;)
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I got rid of one of my guys about 8 weeks ago so there’s just two of us covering 2 1/2 rounds not including add on jobs. I’ve got a replacement starting in January but until then we’ve both been flat out and our target every day is in excess of £400. This includes VAT, so 12% goes to HMRC but most days one or both go over that.
Today Dan did £420 including 4 First cleans and I did £380. Mine was only down because a booked gutter and conservatory job with a regular customer was beyond me. The guy I got rid of quoted it and it was turf over the conservatory. I had a go with the vac but I couldn’t be doing with the wasted time so I passed it onto another guy I know and just did the conservatory leaving me £90 down.
I came home and did a 4 mile run. Im 54. With well priced work and a half decent work ethic &400 a day is doable here.
you must be raking it in then or do you only work 2 days a week? ;)
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Nice to see you posting again 8 weekly. Don't leave it so long next time.
No it's not, it's been so peaceful with him gone.
Ahem;
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=210699.0
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=210707.0
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Collecting vat for the government I know a few that wished they’d not volunteered for that job.
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Collecting vat for the government I know a few that wished they’d not volunteered for that job.
No one volunteers.
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It wasn't that long ago, a couple or so years ago, that we used to talk on here about earning £200 a day being the norm. Now a lot of guys refer to £300 a day being their aim to earn on any working day.
When will £400 a day be what is thought of as par for the course?
As has been said before a lot depends on where your work is.
A good area, well priced customers, refined work could bring in regularly £400+ single operator.
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You decide if you want to take your business the the vat level or keep under it.
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You decide if you want to take your business the the vat level or keep under it.
Not always the case.
My father has an engineering business with lathes and cnc mills etc. Trust me there is less money in engineering than there is in window cleaning. To make any kind of profit you need to be turning over a lot of money where in window cleaning your turnover is very close to your profit.
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Once you get to a certain amount in earnings it only takes a few good jobs to tip you over.