JandS

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Treading on my toes
« on: February 18, 2018, 10:42:19 pm »
Had an verbal agreement with a trad guy who does bits of work in an area round where I live where I do around  80% of the houses...I won't canvas his and vice versa.....just been shown his flyer by customer and he has canvassed all my work....wondered why he suddenly started ignoring me......advertising £5 for average semi of which he has stolen one off me...his leaflets are little scraps of  home printed paper with poor ad on it....thinking of blitzing his rounds that I know of  now with my postcard type leaflets just for the hell  of it.....he packed in 2 years ago for 6 months when his wife died and I refused to do any of his work when they approached me in case he came back which he did...just feel like teaching him a lesson.
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Splash & dash

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 10:53:05 pm »
Had an verbal agreement with a trad guy who does bits of work in an area round where I live where I do around  80% of the houses...I won't canvas his and vice versa.....just been shown his flyer by customer and he has canvassed all my work....wondered why he suddenly started ignoring me......advertising £5 for average semi of which he has stolen one off me...his leaflets are little scraps of  home printed paper with poor ad on it....thinking of blitzing his rounds that I know of  now with my postcard type leaflets just for the hell  of it.....he packed in 2 years ago for 6 months when his wife died and I refused to do any of his work when they approached me in case he came back which he did...just feel like teaching him a lesson.




Just ignore it if you offer a better service  Ime sure it won’t affect you I get this all the time very rarely loose any customers and if you do get under cut and they leave shows the type of customer they are not worth having , if this happend to me I wouldn’t take them on again they are normally problematic people after a cheaper price

JandS

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 11:00:17 pm »
Just ped off with him after I left his work alone...I could have taken around £200 of his work...I was going to do some of it after another couple of weeks then he came back.
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nathankaye

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 11:23:37 pm »
Sometimes it's not worth the worry.  Some time back I was concerned with the company which offers the first clean free to win them over.  I only ended up loosing one customer and in reality was pleased to see the back of them.   As it happens they haven't been happy and have approached me to clean them again and I take delight in saying that I replaced their custom and with being busy I can't take any more on.

You may find this to be the case, so don't worry.
But yes, it's flipping annoying and ild be fuming myself.    Reminds me when a group of trad lads moved into my area many yrs ago, we always spoke and got along.  However at the time I lost some commercial work and so put some flyers out in the streets where I had been working about 6 yrs ( said its going back a bit).  The boss came and had words with me, threatening he had five lads and there's only one of me and not to start a patch war. I explained my situation and also I had been there 6yrs against there one. But the bit he didn't like was when I told them that if he lost any custom to me, he wants to speak to his lads as I was double his prices. So if there prepared to pay more and come to me his crew must be doing something wrong.
So perhaps I may be tempted to post some professional flyers in a handful of his streets and if you get some and they are obviously paying more for you. It will teach him a profound lesson I'm sure
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KS Cleaning

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 11:36:34 pm »
Had an verbal agreement with a trad guy who does bits of work in an area round where I live where I do around  80% of the houses...I won't canvas his and vice versa.....just been shown his flyer by customer and he has canvassed all my work....wondered why he suddenly started ignoring me......advertising £5 for average semi of which he has stolen one off me...his leaflets are little scraps of  home printed paper with poor ad on it....thinking of blitzing his rounds that I know of  now with my postcard type leaflets just for the hell  of it.....he packed in 2 years ago for 6 months when his wife died and I refused to do any of his work when they approached me in case he came back which he did...just feel like teaching him a lesson.




Just ignore it if you offer a better service  Ime sure it won’t affect you I get this all the time very rarely loose any customers and if you do get under cut and they leave shows the type of customer they are not worth having , if this happend to me I wouldn’t take them on again they are normally problematic people after a cheaper price
Exactly my thoughts as well.

Shrek

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2018, 05:45:04 am »
You don’t own the customer, they can go with whoever they like . You need to get over ‘this is my road’ attitude too , it’s a free world and you can’t stop someone from posting leaflets wherever they want- that’s life . all of my customers received a UK window cleaning leaflet with a free clean offer and none of them sacked me off. If they do sack you off , they probably weren’t happy with you in the first place

Soupy

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2018, 06:33:58 am »
I've had half a dozen of these over the years. It used to get my blood boiling and heart racing. Thinking there's going to be some kind of showdown at high noon or summat. Pathetic.

Now, I don't even entertain them. Hang up the phone and ignore them. It's an act of desperation, he'll be gone this time next year.
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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2018, 08:19:34 am »
Had an verbal agreement with a trad guy who does bits of work in an area round where I live where I do around  80% of the houses...I won't canvas his and vice versa.....just been shown his flyer by customer and he has canvassed all my work....wondered why he suddenly started ignoring me......advertising £5 for average semi of which he has stolen one off me...his leaflets are little scraps of  home printed paper with poor ad on it....thinking of blitzing his rounds that I know of  now with my postcard type leaflets just for the hell  of it.....he packed in 2 years ago for 6 months when his wife died and I refused to do any of his work when they approached me in case he came back which he did...just feel like teaching him a lesson.

Be the better person.

G Griffin

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 08:21:05 am »
Had an verbal agreement with a trad guy who does bits of work in an area round where I live where I do around  80% of the houses...I won't canvas his and vice versa.....just been shown his flyer by customer and he has canvassed all my work....wondered why he suddenly started ignoring me......advertising £5 for average semi of which he has stolen one off me...his leaflets are little scraps of  home printed paper with poor ad on it....thinking of blitzing his rounds that I know of  now with my postcard type leaflets just for the hell  of it.....he packed in 2 years ago for 6 months when his wife died and I refused to do any of his work when they approached me in case he came back which he did...just feel like teaching him a lesson.
But you only lost one customer to him. Is that worth retribution?
He might be struggling or there might be reasons for what he did but I'd ignore it.
Maintain the moral high ground and carry on as you are. 
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Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2018, 08:29:58 am »
 if you have the room and you want more work then knock yourself out

why care what he or anybody else thinks


andyM

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 08:56:16 am »
But you only lost one customer to him. Is that worth retribution?
He might be struggling or there might be reasons for what he did but I'd ignore it.
Maintain the moral high ground and carry on as you are.

Exactly.
The fella might be struggling financially so might need to find more work to pay his bills.
Ultimately it's down to the customer to decide if they want to jump ship.
The vast majority of customers are very loyal in my experience.
 
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jk999

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 09:28:59 am »
Years ago I used to be this is my patch but now if a customer wants to jump ship in my oppinion what you doing wrong .if you make the customers happy with the quality of work then it's only the penny pinchers that will jump ship

Dane

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2018, 10:57:38 am »
It’s annoying and I feel for you mate, i’d Be pretty pee’d too but the sad thing is it’s the way of the world nowadays- loyalty is hard to find.. I’d take the approach of if you know your service is up to scratch, you run a proper business then if the custy’s who go for a cheaper (no doubt more unreliable option) then they’re not worth having on your round anyway... whether it was now or in 5 years times they would probably jump ship to save pennies without any real thought so don’t take it personally and let it ruin your day.... fingers crossed it doesn’ t harm your business anymore then the odd bad customer 👍🏿

nathankaye

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 11:00:00 am »
I don't think  JandS is fussed about loosing the odd customer. It's more about how the chap has gone about it which he and others shiners  would feel peeved at.  If it was anybody coming  into his area and posting flyers it's not an issue, but this isn't what happened is it.
This is business people who have spent perhaps years honouring each others working  areas and now slyly  undermined that.    Yes perhaps not to take action but I think perhaps JandS  is looking for acknowledgement that this sucks and yes it does.

I'm sure he knows that it won't have any real impact on his established round. But at least he does know that any honouring verbal arrangements are now void and if required to take more work on, his targeted area has now expanded, so a win win really
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Dane

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 11:08:54 am »
Totally agree - as I said i’d Be p*ssed too, a mans word should stand for something..

I think the fact he honoured to stay off this other mans work while he was going through hardship shows how things should be - respectful and fair play to him, shame if couldn’t work both ways when it came to putting leaflets in eachothers customers houses


Stoots

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 11:19:28 am »
I don't think you should have had an agreement in the first place.

I advertise wherever I like and take on any work I Iike, I don't care if they have a cleaner, don't have a cleaner or whatever else. It's a customers choice.

I know it sounds harsh but this is business, I'm in it for myself.

I understand you being ped that he has gone against his word but what can you do.
Don't make that mistake again.

dazmond

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 12:13:55 pm »
I don't think you should have had an agreement in the first place.

I advertise wherever I like and take on any work I Iike, I don't care if they have a cleaner, don't have a cleaner or whatever else. It's a customers choice.

I know it sounds harsh but this is business, I'm in it for myself.

I understand you being ped that he has gone against his word but what can you do.
Don't make that mistake again.

yep i agree too adam...i wouldnt of made any agreement with this other window cleaner either...

every year i must get around 6 or 7  leaflets from different window cleaning companies/individuals pushed through my customers doors.i lose the odd one or two occasionally but nothing to worry me.its usually because they offer a cheaper price which is fair enough...let them run around for peanuts.... :)...most dont last long IME.....
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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 12:33:24 pm »
Teaching him a lesson just for the hell of it seems a bit harsh and bitter of you. Sounds like you had a gentlemens agreement which is fair enough whilst adhered to but is a bit old school these days. I can understand you being a bit peed off due to you honouring it but by the sounds of things he's desperate for more work given his bereavement  and time off and being a trad cleaner.  Don't judge another until you've walked in their boots he's obviously struggling. dont let it worry you and learn from it.

Dry Clean

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 01:16:31 pm »
A  few years back I was approached by a new start wfp'er looking for some advice, he hadnt a clue so I spent a few hours showing him the ropes, as we parted ways he said I hope you wont be offended if I canvass your customers, I just laughed and told him to canvass who he wants, he wasnt the first to canvass my customers and he wont be the last so not worth giving the little git a second thought,

robbo333

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 03:17:16 pm »
Could be, he has started drinking since his missus died, or he is so depressed, he just doesn’t care any more.
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jk999

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 05:10:05 pm »
You will find in this game you might agree to stay away from a patch but what happens if one of your long term customers move into their area are you gonna say you won't do it .because I will follow my long term customers anywhere as long as it not to far

jk999

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 05:12:22 pm »
I had a quite a few  of windy mates who agreed this but still everyone of them was working in the same areas as me so gloves were of now it's every man for his self you don't own the customers at the end of day

Johnny B

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 07:36:52 pm »
I don't worry if someone canvasses my work.

I just try to concentrate on doing an excellent job for a fair price when agreed, and in a polite and professional manner.

I must be doing something right because I don't lose many.

John

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 08:11:50 pm »
There was a new chap round my way canvassing on the road where most of my customers were. I stopped and had a chat to him, said that i respect him for going out and getting the work. Its a free world; more competition is good. It means that there is clearly a demand for our services.


dazmond

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 08:35:28 pm »
There was a new chap round my way canvassing on the road where most of my customers were. I stopped and had a chat to him, said that i respect him for going out and getting the work. Its a free world; more competition is good. It means that there is clearly a demand for our services.

i wouldnt be THAT friendly!next you ll be giving him one of your poles..... ;D
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AuRavelling79

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 10:06:05 pm »
No good deed goes unpunished!  ;D

Sometimes those you think you have an understanding with - sometimes even those who you think are your friends - will do something underhand. You might think they would approach you first before scurrying about behind your back and causing you trouble.

If it's not really life changing then let them be. They have to look at themselves in the mirror. They have shown their true colours and they know you will never trust them again.

Don't let it colour your judgement of other people though - just be cautious who you trust in the future.
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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 10:37:25 pm »
AuRavelling79

Your so wise..........like a mini budda......all covered in fur!     What was that?   You pooped in the refrigerator? and you ate all the cheese???  im not even mad.......amazing

KarlJones

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 11:07:46 pm »
I have had a few lads say things like this to me, in the hope I bend to their request to stay away from their "patch".  But, I know it is not their patch at all, I know that there are several window cleaners in their so called patch. I know it won't make the blindest bit of difference what agreement I come to with that individual, because someone else will approach my customers sooner or later.  But I also know that sooner or later I will approach theirs too.. not because they came on to my patch, but because they do not care and I do not care.  And the reason neither of us care, because we both know it makes no difference.

You are not likely to be your customers first window cleaner, but you might be their best one.  The difference between a good window cleaner and a bad one is huge for the customer, because the mistakes build up over time.  Eventually they look really bad.  If your customer leaves you, it is because they expect the same job done but for less money.  If a customer leaves them, it is because they want a better job for more money.
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Johnny B

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2018, 06:08:30 am »
The native window cleaners around my way are a strange lot. They don't acknowledge me if I try to speak to them, and just give me 'the look'. 

It makes it so much easier to take their work, especially the one who did once speak to me - warning me to keep off his patch.

John
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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2018, 06:27:58 am »
I had a quite a few  of windy mates who agreed this but still everyone of them was working in the same areas as me so gloves were of now it's every man for his self you don't own the customers at the end of day

Perhaps they were following long term customers that had moved onto your patch? 😁😁😁☹️

dazmond

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2018, 08:58:56 am »
in the old days(before my time!)when window cleaners had carts rather than vehicles then it made sense to keep to your own "patch".i still have chunks of work that take me a few days to clean in one area though...

this week im on estate work that takes 4 days to clean....(90+ houses virtually all right next to each other)....

theres other window cleaners on this estate,always have been since i started cleaning on here 25 years ago.at the moment theres 2 other companies(one trad,one wfp).they both clean 2 or 3 houses each....at one time there were 4 window cleaners all cleaning a couple of jobs each....
price higher/work harder!

jk999

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2018, 01:19:23 pm »
😁😁😁😁

Slacky

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2018, 02:06:01 pm »
A  few years back I was approached by a new start wfp'er looking for some advice, he hadnt a clue so I spent a few hours showing him the ropes, as we parted ways he said I hope you wont be offended if I canvass your customers, I just laughed and told him to canvass who he wants, he wasnt the first to canvass my customers and he wont be the last so not worth giving the little git a second thought,

After helping someone out and they responded with that I think I would've replied with 'I hope you won't be offended if you come down one morning to find you've got 4 flat tyres on your van'.

johnny bravo

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Re: Treading on my toes
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2018, 03:15:03 pm »
ive been at it for years now,  if any of my customers left me for someone new , i think they can pizz off, i dont want them,     i wait for  them to ask me if i can re clean them when they bump the prices up,    a big fat NO THANKS too busy with my regular customers who appreciate the way i work and get on with them.

if a windy wants to canvass so what the hell has it got to do with anyone else.

We all canvass at some time,   we dont think ohh  i cant go down that street,   someone already cleans down there.
i am happy with my customers in my areas i dont canvass in that area now.   If i see anyone i just say GOOD LUCK,  you might get a couple,      remember how you started  up.

once you start getting confrontational    you may be having to worry about your van and equipment.    is it worth it