Carl2009

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Replacing running seals on windows
« on: February 16, 2016, 03:02:43 pm »
Hi guys,

Just wondering if you guys have any knowledge on replacing seals on windows - you know the ones, old and leave black streaks on the uPVC frames.

Can it be done? Is it a specialist job? How do you go about it?

Cheers

nathankaye

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 04:49:09 pm »
Only my thought,  but dont go there!
Its liable for so many "no go" areas. Insurance claims, liable clauses and a whole lot of hassle
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Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2016, 06:35:47 pm »
Only my thought,  but dont go there!
Its liable for so many "no go" areas. Insurance claims, liable clauses and a whole lot of hassle

Nope, I wasn't thinking of doing it. I just lost a custie cos her frames are leaking black and I wanted to give her some advice.

P @ F

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 06:53:10 pm »
Why would you want to give her advice after dumping YOU because her windows are cheap  ?
 
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

dazmond

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 06:55:10 pm »
ill give her some advice REPLACE THE WINDOWS!! ;D
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Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2016, 07:37:32 pm »
Why would you want to give her advice after dumping YOU because her windows are cheap  ?

1. She's a great customer.
2. It's a very profitable job.
3. I enjoy doing it.
4. I like to give good service.
5. Her windows are not cheap - it's just that the seals have gone. The windows are too good to replace if the seals can be replaced.

Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2016, 07:38:09 pm »
ill give her some advice REPLACE THE WINDOWS!! ;D

They are too good to replace and it's not practical at her age and given the scale of the job.

P @ F

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2016, 08:46:07 pm »
You seem to have fallen down on point 1.
She has obviously put the blame to you and your pole thing , you did it so you should be sacked on the spot , she is not a great customer as she is past tense , did you not put the point over when the stains came to light ?
If i get the problem , i will say , unfortunately i dont do ladders anymore , this is what needs doing , if i get binned then its nice to have had your custom , GOODBYE !
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

ray mck

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2016, 09:14:34 pm »
Easy to replace length of gasket washing up liquid a  bit of wood .window fitters would do it easy.

P @ F

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2016, 09:19:39 pm »
Exactly , window fitters would do it easy , not window cleaners , run forest run , run like the winnnd  ;D
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !

nathankaye

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2016, 11:54:07 pm »
Strangely enough, my blunt post on the thread "how did i handle this" seems quite fitting somehow  ;D

In this game, we all loose customers and gain customers for various reasons. But its sad to see how some window cleaners are in denial about the business they run. Its a service not a charity n a nice chit chat with customers. We all have those great customers who go extra mile, not only great payers but provide drinks, maybe cakes etc etc. Which is absolutely great, i have plenty of them types myself. Had same customers for 14 yrs, cause of loyalty, im a nice guy n built up trust. Oh and yes, blooming great at my job!!  If i wasnt or their circumstances changed, im not dissolutioned to think they will keep me on because of our nice little chit chat moments. They wouldnt hesitate to drop me! Why, because they are the customer and im the business. Hence in this case, by his own admonition, hes dropped due to customer assuming hes damaged seal and shes a lovely lady n his advice will win back her loyalty n take him back on! Sounds desperate!! We all gain customers n we lose customers, the nature of our business! But dont leave it were your grovelling for the work!! Man up n realise like p@f was saying, shes wrongly accusing you n whenever anything goes wrong, you will be blamed! Drop the bad business n pick up the good business.
I agree with p@f,
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rosskesava

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2016, 12:04:14 am »
Carl2009 was asking a few simple questions.

It hardly requires the War and Peace of assumptions as an answer.
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nathankaye

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2016, 12:25:20 am »
Your right, but the thread of responses and the conversations within, expands to a larger reasoning and advice n help or discussion etc is relative to that.
However, you could be right, might be a slight over kill
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rosskesava

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2016, 12:31:50 am »
I do take the point of what you are saying though as often that is the case. Often it is a simple 'dump' and move on.

I think maybe in this instance it was just a question.
Just chant..... Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It's beats chanting Tory Tory or Labour Labour.

Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2016, 06:03:37 am »
If you did want to replace the black seals, you'd probably need to go on a window fitting course to know the ins and outs of it all... But if you think about it, is it worth it? I mean out of your whole round, how many custys have those horrible black seals? I think I have a couple but wouldn't worry me if I lost them as id probably gain a couple more custys after that with decent windows

Jonny 87

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2016, 06:28:46 am »
Hi guys,

Just wondering if you guys have any knowledge on replacing seals on windows - you know the ones, old and leave black streaks on the uPVC frames.

Can it be done? Is it a specialist job? How do you go about it?

Cheers

It would be far easier to deep clean the frames and deals with a degreaser like virisol until you stop seeing any black leach out, then use a magic sponge and take off any black marks. You will have little to no problems in future.

The problem of leaching black marks happens wether the windows are cleaned or not. The rain can do it too.

Not really sure why she cancelled you?
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dazmond

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2016, 06:48:55 am »
ill give her some advice REPLACE THE WINDOWS!! ;D

They are too good to replace and it's not practical at her age and given the scale of the job.

ok so shes an old lady judging by this post?and cant afford new windows?

i only have 2 or 3 properties that have the odd dodgy rubber seal that run like squid ink.i clean them just like any other window and they come up ok (glass only,frames not so good).

so what did she sack you for?stained ink on the frames?its really not your fault or problem.the only way to eradicate this  is to replace the whole unit.

or maybe she thinks your "water brush thingy" has caused the problem and is secretly blaming you! ;D
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Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2016, 06:06:01 pm »
Jeez guys, I wonder how some of you stay in business, I really do. Some of you need to read posts a bit more fully too.

Shrek - like I said, read the post: I'm-NOT-going-to-do-the-job-myself. I'm just enquiring whether it can be done and what's involved.

Nathankaye and p@f - She did NOT say that i'd damaged the seals - they were wrecked before I had the job a few years back and she knew that. I simply wanted to provide my customer (and - get this - future customers) with some advice in an attempt to provide good service and try and retain her business. I'm not desperate but it's a job that very much suits me.

Some people I dump - messsers, people who don't pay on time, people who don't clean up after their dogs. Others that are lovely and profitable, pay on time, nice big Christmas tip, easy to do and who are just, well, nice, well call me old fashioned but i'd like to try and keep these.

She didn't "blame" me for the windows being blackened - she knows it is the seals. She loves the "pole thingy" and the clean it gives to the glass, however you all know that if you use any sort of TFR or similar product it only get the frames partially clean - they need a good going over with PVC cleaner or stubborn stains remain. Now you'll also know that this is an up-the-ladder, cloth-in-hand job and takes a while, only for the leaking seals to spoil the job in a relatively short time afterwards because we and she knows that it's the rain that makes them run as much as any wfp.

I find it hilarious that some people on here just dump custies for no real good reason. You carry on lads, but you'll forgive me if I run my business in the way that has seen it grow to the highly profitable enterprise it is now.  There are people who run their business with good customer service in mind, then there are others.

Smurf

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2016, 06:19:44 pm »
There is probably a local glazing doctor or whatever they call themselves that you could get in with to do this kind of work for you.

Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2016, 06:23:57 pm »
There is probably a local glazing doctor or whatever they call themselves that you could get in with to do this kind of work for you.

I guess there is Smurf. I was kind of hoping someone might have had their own experiences to share though, plus we'd all benefit from the thread. I sort of wish I hadn't bothered asking now lol.

Perfect Windows

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2016, 06:29:39 pm »
There is probably a local glazing doctor or whatever they call themselves that you could get in with to do this kind of work for you.

I guess there is Smurf. I was kind of hoping someone might have had their own experiences to share though, plus we'd all benefit from the thread. I sort of wish I hadn't bothered asking now lol.

I'd suggest a local glazing firm.  Normal glazing, not double glazing.  In my experience they are much, much cheaper than anyone who claims to do anything with double glazing.  A customer was asked £1,100 for a pane in a conservatory by a double glazing firm where a local glazier asked £500 (it was a 12 ft long weirdly shaped pane, hence the price).

Despite just being glaziers, they deal with double glazing all the time, they just charge massively less.

Vin

Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2016, 07:12:58 pm »
Jeez guys, I wonder how some of you stay in business, I really do. Some of you need to read posts a bit more fully too.

Shrek - like I said, read the post: I- have- NOT- got- enough- customers! So I am running around after ex customers who have sacked me! I'm just enquiring whether it can be done and what's involved.

Nathankaye and p@f - She did NOT say that i'd damaged the seals - they were wrecked before I had the job a few years back and she knew that. I simply wanted to provide my customer (and - get this - future customers) with some advice in an attempt to provide good service and try and retain her business. I'm not desperate but it's a job that very much suits me.

Some people I dump - messsers, people who don't pay on time, people who don't clean up after their dogs. Others that are lovely and profitable, pay on time, nice big Christmas tip, easy to do and who are just, well, nice, well call me old fashioned but i'd like to try and keep these.

She didn't "blame" me for the windows being blackened - she knows it is the seals. She loves the "pole thingy" and the clean it gives to the glass, however you all know that if you use any sort of TFR or similar product it only get the frames partially clean - they need a good going over with PVC cleaner or stubborn stains remain. Now you'll also know that this is an up-the-ladder, cloth-in-hand job and takes a while, only for the leaking seals to spoil the job in a relatively short time afterwards because we and she knows that it's the rain that makes them run as much as any wfp.

I find it hilarious that some people on here just dump custies for no real good reason. You carry on lads, but you'll forgive me if I run my business in the way that has seen it grow to the highly profitable enterprise it is now.  There are people who run their business with good customer service in mind, then there are others.

Sorry, il read properly next time  ;D

Clever Forum Name

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2016, 07:22:02 pm »
Buy a bottle of vision  ;D

SeanK

Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2016, 08:10:27 pm »
Clean along the seal rinse and then clean the rest of the window, go back and rub the brush edge along the seal removing any
droplets of water and rinse from about 3 inches below, if they have openers then do them all first before doing the glass below as to stop anymore water running onto the seals below.
This usually works for me or at least gets them to a passable state, I don't like a job getting the better of me as well so I know
where your coming from.

dazmond

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2016, 09:20:12 pm »
Clean along the seal rinse and then clean the rest of the window, go back and rub the brush edge along the seal removing any
droplets of water and rinse from about 3 inches below, if they have openers then do them all first before doing the glass below as to stop anymore water running onto the seals below.
This usually works for me or at least gets them to a passable state, I don't like a job getting the better of me as well so I know
where your coming from.

yeah thats what i do sean on all dodgy top rubber seals whether they leach squid ink or not.good technique. :)
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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2016, 09:20:31 pm »
OK then , she knew her seals were naff and the problem wasnt going to go away , yet she still sacked you , is that then to say that she will never have her windows cleaned again ?
Perhaps there is more than meets the eye here , i used to run my work like you , bending over backwards for folk usually never pays , i have not come across a case yet and i have only been at it 14 years or so , run it how you like but you will become a busy fool pandering to needs , lets not forget she is an old girl , what she wanted to hear you say was "i will get me ladders off and scrub them up for you " it did not happen so she binned you in wait for the next fool .
Old ones are the ones to watch , they have been in the game of life longer than us , and we all think they are losing it !

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Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2016, 12:56:18 pm »
OK then , she knew her seals were naff and the problem wasnt going to go away , yet she still sacked you , is that then to say that she will never have her windows cleaned again ?
Perhaps there is more than meets the eye here , i used to run my work like you , bending over backwards for folk usually never pays , i have not come across a case yet and i have only been at it 14 years or so , run it how you like but you will become a busy fool pandering to needs , lets not forget she is an old girl , what she wanted to hear you say was "i will get me ladders off and scrub them up for you " it did not happen so she binned you in wait for the next fool .
Old ones are the ones to watch , they have been in the game of life longer than us , and we all think they are losing it !

Rich

I'm more than happy to be the "busy fool" with the income, customer base and reputation I have.  ;D

P @ F

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2016, 07:37:23 pm »
Fair play to you Carl , if you are happy then i am happy , we just run different thats all , it dont mean one is better than the other .
I had a wake up call 12 months ago , i then stepped back from running around like a "ladies play thing" and do what is wanted from me with the least effort and the most return .
Not saying im glad that i got what i got , but it made me see the wood through the trees for sure .

All the best mate .
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matthewprice

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2016, 06:53:01 am »
Had one that the seals had weeped all over her frames .brush would not remove.got ladders off.washed all frames and seals with a spray soap .rinsed well .never had any problems since .that was 3years ago

Cookie

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2016, 12:23:02 pm »
Carl, FrazerGlaze in Carmarthen will do this. They will cut a small sample of seal then simply match it. Then it's a case of pulling out the old seal & replacing with new. I had to ask the same question for one of my customers in Fishguard.

BTW which area of Pembs do you normally work in? I don't see you around much....

Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2016, 01:38:44 pm »
Carl, FrazerGlaze in Carmarthen will do this. They will cut a small sample of seal then simply match it. Then it's a case of pulling out the old seal & replacing with new. I had to ask the same question for one of my customers in Fishguard.

BTW which area of Pembs do you normally work in? I don't see you around much....

Cheers Cookie. I contacted my custie already and explained what sort of a job it was so we'll see what she does with the info - they leave very badly...

I live in Crymych and cover Narberth to Cardigan and Haverfordwest to St Clears. I stick to the north of the county but do have a day a month in Newcastle Emlyn. You?


Cookie

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2016, 02:27:47 pm »
I live in Maenclochog but the majority of my work is in and around Fishguard. I have a days work in Haverfordwest once a month. I only do 2 days per week at the moment since I have another job for the other 3. If I see you around I'll come & say hello!

Carl2009

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2016, 03:15:40 pm »
I live in Maenclochog but the majority of my work is in and around Fishguard. I have a days work in Haverfordwest once a month. I only do 2 days per week at the moment since I have another job for the other 3. If I see you around I'll come & say hello!

Oh yeah, i've seen your website (inc your FAQ's which cheekily bore a striking resemblance to mine  ;). Dim problem lol I took it as a compliment and as I was changing the website I changed these too - same text on two website ain't good). Def say hello if you see me - it would be good to chat. Give me a bell if you need any help with anything.

Cookie

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Re: Replacing running seals on windows
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2016, 05:52:03 pm »
Yes I did base some of my FAQs on yours... I didn't realise it was so obvious however  :) . Thanks for not taking offence. Thanks also for the offer of help & hope to bump into you soon...