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Title: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Jimmy Jon on April 28, 2017, 09:07:27 pm
Not window cleaning related but look what happens if a gas canister explodes in your van. Happened earlier today, the guy was very lucky.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/shocking-aftermath-explosion-redland-put-40054
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 09:33:54 pm
The bottle did not explode the gas leaked and went bang much like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

Well they do say smoking can kill.  lol
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 09:34:58 pm
Well done for posting. Maybe a wake up call for all the people who put a gas canister in there van  thinking it will be ok . I would find it very unlikely his insurance company will replace his van.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 09:41:58 pm
Transporting a gas bottle is not illegal now is it so if the chap is fully comp I can't see why they would not pay up.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Jimmy Jon on April 28, 2017, 09:43:04 pm
The bottle did not explode the gas leaked and went bang much like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

Well they do say smoking can kill.  lol

Good video!  :)
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 09:44:50 pm
Not illegal to transport, but I would imagine illegal to use in the van unless you have the insurance to prove otherwise. Don't caravans/ motor homes carry the bottles externally?
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 09:48:58 pm
Calor gas own website states that all gas bottles should not be used inside a vehicle andstowed outside.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 09:56:59 pm
Not illegal to transport, but I would imagine illegal to use in the van unless you have the insurance to prove otherwise. Don't caravans/ motor homes carry the bottles externally?

This is a gas hot water van mount and no the gas bottle is not external http://www.concept2o.com/services.htm
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 10:01:16 pm
Calor gas own website states that all gas bottles should not be used inside a vehicle andstowed outside.

Funny you say that as this too is a calor gas approved hot water install used for wfp.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w

Peeps do have a choice but we all know gas carries  a higher risk than a diesel fired webasto type water heater.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 10:30:21 pm
Calor gas own website states that all gas bottles should not be used inside a vehicle andstowed outside.

Funny you say that as this too is a calor gas approved hot water install used for wfp.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w
Firstly,  the gas bottle involved has been secured in a galvanised box, most window cleaners just open the back door. secondly, by uk law ,carryng compressed gas in a van has to have a rotating rooftop device, and third the gas bottle has to be isolated for every journey.
How many window cleaners do that, and also he does not stipulate what rules give him a calor gas approved licence to use it.








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Peeps do have a choice but we all know gas carries  a higher risk than a diesel fired webasto type water heater.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 10:33:43 pm
Not illegal to transport, but I would imagine illegal to use in the van unless you have the insurance to prove otherwise. Don't caravans/ motor homes carry the bottles externally?

This is a gas hot water van mount and no the gas bottle is not external http://www.concept2o.com/services.htm
Its a website. If i said i was the best window cleaner in the world on my websites, is that what i am???
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 10:43:12 pm
Ionic's very first hot water systems were actually gas water heaters before some bright spark decided that they where dangerous. lol
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 28, 2017, 10:43:56 pm
Probably why they are diesel now.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Smurf on April 28, 2017, 10:44:52 pm
Indeed.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Plankton on April 28, 2017, 10:51:23 pm
Seen worse pics from acetylene disasters, all that was left from one chaps van was the guys hand or finger with a ring on the gear numpty! (auto corrected gear k n o b) it's not a bad word is it?
BOC Gases also shut down a rail line and wreaked their depot down south from an acetylene cylinder that fell over!
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Tom White on April 28, 2017, 11:04:39 pm
The bottle did not explode the gas leaked and went bang much like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

Well they do say smoking can kill.  lol

I wish I could give you two likes for that one.   ;D
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Plankton on April 28, 2017, 11:29:31 pm
The bottle did not explode the gas leaked and went bang much like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

Well they do say smoking can kill.  lol

I wish I could give you two likes for that one.   ;D
Michael Caine springs to mind.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: robert mitchell on April 29, 2017, 12:36:52 am
Not illegal to transport, but I would imagine illegal to use in the van unless you have the insurance to prove otherwise. Don't caravans/ motor homes carry the bottles externally?

This is a gas hot water van mount and no the gas bottle is not external http://www.concept2o.com/services.htm

I think you will find the gas tank is external on these , a proper lpg tank that you can fill at a petrol staion with autogas.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Tosh on April 29, 2017, 01:58:09 am
Calor gas own website states that all gas bottles should not be used inside a vehicle andstowed outside.




Where's that then?
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 29, 2017, 07:29:36 am
Under calor gas technical advise page. It also states it is not to be used near anything electrical so the use of a pump would also deem it unfit to be used in the van really.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Spruce on April 29, 2017, 08:52:58 am
Motorhomes can't have their gas bottles outside like a caravan does.
But they are in a compartment sealed to the inside. Its only accessible from the outside and has vent holes in the floor should gas leak. This is an approved method of carrying gas in a motorhome.

Nowadays the trend seems to be toward model specific under slung LPG vapour tanks with the fittings in a valve box and sealed cover with a vent pipe. At one time these tanks could be fitted inside as well with the appropriate brackets. The valve box would be vented outside through a hole in the floor. Not sure if this is still legal or if vehicle specific under slung tanks are the way to go to save space.   

Reach2clean in the south (I think the business has now folded) used to offer a sealed cabinet to put the gas cylinder in vented through the floor with the gas heater above it. They built a similar system to Arthur at Sureclean systems but they vented their heater through the roof.   I don't know if Arthur's cabinet is sealed.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Marc Stock on April 29, 2017, 08:55:21 am
Arthur will polish it out.

https://youtu.be/UliP8lREHv4
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: martin hulstone on April 29, 2017, 09:03:08 am
Motorhomes can't have their gas bottles outside like a caravan does.
But they are in a compartment sealed to the inside. Its only accessible from the outside and has vent holes in the floor should gas leak. This is an approved method of carrying gas in a motorhome.

Nowadays the trend seems to be toward model specific under slung LPG vapour tanks with the fittings in a valve box and sealed cover with a vent pipe. At one time these tanks could be fitted inside as well with the appropriate brackets. The valve box would be vented outside through a hole in the floor. Not sure if this is still legal or if vehicle specific under slung tanks are the way to go to save space.   

Reach2clean in the south (I think the business has now folded) used to offer a sealed cabinet to put the gas cylinder in vented through the floor with the gas heater above it. They built a similar system to Arthur at Sureclean systems but they vented their heater through the roof.   I don't know if Arthur's cabinet is sealed.
Very informative post, thank-you.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Spruce on April 29, 2017, 09:46:36 am
Arthur will polish it out.

https://youtu.be/UliP8lREHv4

I watched most of the videos on his channel. I think he's brilliant. ;D
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Tosh on April 29, 2017, 10:11:56 am
Under calor gas technical advise page. It also states it is not to be used near anything electrical so the use of a pump would also deem it unfit to be used in the van really.


Have you got a link for that please?
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Dry Clean on April 29, 2017, 10:18:51 am
Your allowed to carry a certain weight/amount of gas in a vehicle such as a van or car, but I would be very surprised if
you would be allowed to run a gas appliance in the vehicle especially if unattended and in a built up area.
Unfortunately it one of those things where we will never know the truth until the worst happens, but I honestly believe its only a
matter of time before some Clampet with a cheap fleebay water heater answers all our questions/ concerns.

Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: dazmond on April 29, 2017, 10:37:24 am
after the other months gas leak i wont be using a gas heater again.it really shook me up!i took my gas bottle back and took the heater to the tip.ive already saved myself £150 in gas in 3 months.ive not missed the hot water one bit.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: The Jester of Wibbly on April 29, 2017, 11:36:52 am
Motorhomes can't have their gas bottles outside like a caravan does.
But they are in a compartment sealed to the inside. Its only accessible from the outside and has vent holes in the floor should gas leak. This is an approved method of carrying gas in a motorhome.

Nowadays the trend seems to be toward model specific under slung LPG vapour tanks with the fittings in a valve box and sealed cover with a vent pipe. At one time these tanks could be fitted inside as well with the appropriate brackets. The valve box would be vented outside through a hole in the floor. Not sure if this is still legal or if vehicle specific under slung tanks are the way to go to save space.   

Reach2clean in the south (I think the business has now folded) used to offer a sealed cabinet to put the gas cylinder in vented through the floor with the gas heater above it. They built a similar system to Arthur at Sureclean systems but they vented their heater through the roof.   I don't know if Arthur's cabinet is sealed.


Good post.

Also the gas canister is placed into saftey mode whilst in transit with the safty cap.

Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: EandM on April 29, 2017, 01:54:54 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Alfaques_disaster

 
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Dave Willis on April 29, 2017, 06:17:08 pm
Did he have the cylinder in the cab then? Looks like the door was blown off and  the roof but the bulkhead is still there? Bet he's a bit deaf in the left ear now  :o
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Dave Willis on April 29, 2017, 06:22:10 pm
Actually, looking again at those pics ..... how on earth did he survive that?
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Spruce on April 29, 2017, 08:55:37 pm
Actually, looking again at those pics ..... how on earth did he survive that?

That is unbelievable tbh. But that link Smurf put up also has the lad climb out of the van without a seeming injury. It also blew the windscreen out.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: Tosh on April 30, 2017, 09:56:21 am
Did he have the cylinder in the cab then? Looks like the door was blown off and  the roof but the bulkhead is still there? Bet he's a bit deaf in the left ear now  :o


It certainly looks that way. I think the insurance company might bale on him on this one. He had the gas on and connected to a BBQ in the cab. Also it would've been unsecured. I wonder if he's a smoker.
Title: Re: Look what happens when a gas canister leaks & explodes in the back of a van
Post by: k.diver on April 30, 2017, 10:32:21 am
yeh bet hes a smoker