DG Cleaning

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CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« on: July 02, 2013, 08:45:10 pm »
I'm finally going to put aside my much loved Harris and find out if Gardiner's are as good as everyone says. ;D
The dilemma is CLX 22 or SLX?
I know the SLX is more rigid and a bit lighter but is it worth £100 more than the CLX?
Any advice would be much appreciated ;D ;D

supernova77

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 08:54:45 pm »
I've been using a CLX22 for the last 18 months / 2 years... It's been great.

I ordered a SLX25 the other day which should arrive end of this week... I hope it's worth the extra £££

Andy ;)

KS Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 08:57:57 pm »
None of the above, go the whole hog and get an extreme ;)

home6442

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2013, 09:05:49 pm »
If your main pole has been a Harris then a CLX18 would do to
replace it.
I have been using the ClX18 for the last 2 weeks which replaced my Gxtel 17.
Use it for 90% of my work and its better than everyone says.
Going to get a CLX27 for the few jobs that the 18 wont reach.
 

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 09:15:46 pm »
If your main pole has been a Harris then a CLX18 would do to
replace it.
I have been using the ClX18 for the last 2 weeks which replaced my Gxtel 17.
Use it for 90% of my work and its better than everyone says.
Going to get a CLX27 for the few jobs that the 18 wont reach.
 

A clx 18 would do all my work but the extra length might come in handy.
Besides I reckon the 22 is better value as you get a free brush and gooseneck that you don't get with an 18

Llaaww

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2013, 09:19:42 pm »
slx-22 is the corgies conkers. I have 4 poles, and the slx-22 gets the most use. A very good bit of kit.
if it is dirty it is fair game

ben M

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2013, 09:28:33 pm »
None of the above, go the whole hog and get an extreme ;)
+1

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2013, 09:29:17 pm »
None of the above, go the whole hog and get an extreme ;)
+1

I'm far too tight to get an extreme ;D

roundbuilder

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2013, 09:43:22 pm »
I have just unboxed my new pole  a pheonix pro22 for my other van.. First impressions are great..love the clamps and stiffness, not sure i prefere it to my slx but for the price im well happy and am sure the boys will prefere it to the brodex aluminium dumbell of a pole i had them using lol...

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2013, 09:48:56 pm »
Thought they were about the same price as Gardiners
Did you get a good deal?

roundbuilder

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2013, 09:56:31 pm »
Was £143 inc vat. Bare pole with hose(no brush). I did want the clx but are out of stock and didnt want to wait.

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2013, 10:17:16 pm »
Was £143 inc vat. Bare pole with hose(no brush). I did want the clx but are out of stock and didnt want to wait.

Think they have some in this week I'll wait if I decide to go for clx

EandM

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2013, 10:34:22 pm »
CLX-22 is brilliant - I expect that the SLX-22 is lighter and more rigid but don't know if it's worth paying the extra in view of the relative shortness - either is probably brilliant - I've not had anything from Alex Gardiner that isn't....

Ian101

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2013, 11:04:05 pm »
Are u full time day in day out window cleaning then yes worth the extra

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2013, 11:14:05 pm »
slx  :-*
if you can afford it, why drive a fiesta when you could be driving a Focus RS?  ;)
then again, why drive a Focus RS when you could have an extreme 25? 8) 8) 8)

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 11:26:55 pm »
Are u full time day in day out window cleaning then yes worth the extra

No I'm part time although I may take it full time in the next year or so depending how canvassing goes.

Mike #1

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2013, 06:08:06 am »
The rigidity and lightness  of the SLX will make a world of difference when using at height ,

 A CLX 27 will be whippy at height and have far more flex go the extra and get a SLX with a New Xtreme brush its worth the extra spend . Mike

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2013, 04:21:44 pm »
The rigidity and lightness  of the SLX will make a world of difference when using at height ,

 A CLX 27 will be whippy at height and have far more flex go the extra and get a SLX with a New Xtreme brush its worth the extra spend . Mike

If I needed to go higher I would get a slx.
However my Harris reaches everything at the moment so even getting a 22 foot pole is more than I need.

SPE

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2013, 06:39:46 pm »
I know the SLX is more rigid and a bit lighter but is it worth £100 more than the CLX?
No, it will not earn you anymore money at the end of the day.
A clx 22 will be more than adequate for your needs and still light, if you want it to feel more rigid then don't open up each section fully unless you need the full height.
I have a clx 27 that I used for pretty much everything for 3+ years with no issues.
Simon

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2013, 07:09:27 pm »
I know the SLX is more rigid and a bit lighter but is it worth £100 more than the CLX?
No, it will not earn you anymore money at the end of the day.
A clx 22 will be more than adequate for your needs and still light, if you want it to feel more rigid then don't open up each section fully unless you need the full height.
I have a clx 27 that I used for pretty much everything for 3+ years with no issues.
Simon


Thank you  ;D

Dan crowther

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2013, 07:50:21 pm »
I would politely disagree with poshgravie. Put it this way...
You are part time, lets say 2 days per week as an example.
100 days per year use
£100 more is the slx than the clx (why is Yoda coming to mind?). Lets say it lasts only 2 years (it won't, it will last a lot longer).
£100 over 200 days = 50p per day more than the clx.
Will the slx earn you this 50p back...yes, you will work a little quicker as it is lighter and more rigid thus a little easier to control, you should be able to do a little more in the day, certainly enough to cover the 50p! You will also use less energy to do the same amount of work as you would have with the clx thus maybe being able to do a little extra work or be less tired in the evening. Your shoulders etc will appreciate the slx!
 It's a no brainer for me, most things that make the time on the glass that bit easier are usually worth the investment as they cover there initial cost multiple times during their life.

home6442

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2013, 08:18:15 pm »
Im after the CLX27 which works out at roughly £180
The SLX30 is roughly £325.
CLX weighs 1800g
SLX weighs 1720g
Yes the SLX is longer but the weight difference is hardly noticeable.
My main everyday pole is the CLX18 which weighs 1070g.
The two poles together cost less than the SLX30.
To sum it up for 90% of the time I am lifting 1070g and 10% of the time Im lifting 1800g
If I was to get the SLX I would be lifting 1720g 100% of the time.
Doesn't matter what pole you get but don't get a pole longer than you need because
then you are carrying around extra weight for the sake of extra length which you
might only use now and again.





Mike #1

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2013, 08:32:00 pm »
It is not just the weight of a pole that will take its toll on your body . It is the fact that at times when cleaning at awkward angles it will be less manageable and will cause strain on your body .

I suffer with back problems so a carbon pole works best for me,  I have used various poles over the last 5 years and IMHO the SLX is far superior to the rest on the market . Mike

dazmond

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2013, 08:33:56 pm »
Buy a 22 SLX,a 25 SLX and a 40 FT SUPERMAX.then u can cover all bases.small,medium and large domestics,mid size commercial and solar panel cleaning.
price higher/work harder!

PoleKing

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2013, 08:37:47 pm »
So, how much better is the extreme?
Sorry to hijack  ;D
I'm looking at replacing my Ionic Grafter 21. Which is actually about 17' I think...
Same dilemma as the OP.
I will spend the extra-only if its worth it.
All of the above + should I/OP get a 22(?) extreme?
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

home6442

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 08:44:12 pm »
Buy a 22 SLX,a 25 SLX and a 40 FT SUPERMAX.then u can cover all bases.small,medium and large domestics,mid size commercial and solar panel cleaning.


Im too tight to buy all them poles and too lazy too do all that work ;D

ben M

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 09:16:49 pm »
Buy a 22 SLX,a 25 SLX and a 40 FT SUPERMAX.then u can cover all bases.small,medium and large domestics,mid size commercial and solar panel cleaning.
if you have a slx25, i don't see the point to buy a slx22!!

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 09:31:21 pm »
Buy a 22 SLX,a 25 SLX and a 40 FT SUPERMAX.then u can cover all bases.small,medium and large domestics,mid size commercial and solar panel cleaning.
if you have a slx25, i don't see the point to buy a slx22!!

Me too, why on search would I buy a slx 22 & a 25?

gary999

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 09:45:32 pm »
clx22 looked a nice pole when i ordered one for a mate
nice and light and no noticeable flex.far too fragile in my hands
though ill stick with my old fashioned unger optiloc and tele poles
which i use with ease

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2013, 10:28:03 pm »
clx22 looked a nice pole when i ordered one for a mate
nice and light and no noticeable flex.far too fragile in my hands
though ill stick with my old fashioned unger optiloc and tele poles
which i use with ease

How's the achilles Gary?  :D

SPE

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2013, 10:58:23 pm »
I would politely disagree with poshgravie. Put it this way...
You are part time, lets say 2 days per week as an example.
100 days per year use
£100 more is the slx than the clx (why is Yoda coming to mind?). Lets say it lasts only 2 years (it won't, it will last a lot longer).
£100 over 200 days = 50p per day more than the clx.
Will the slx earn you this 50p back...yes, you will work a little quicker as it is lighter and more rigid thus a little easier to control, you should be able to do a little more in the day, certainly enough to cover the 50p! You will also use less energy to do the same amount of work as you would have with the clx thus maybe being able to do a little extra work or be less tired in the evening. Your shoulders etc will appreciate the slx!
 It's a no brainer for me, most things that make the time on the glass that bit easier are usually worth the investment as they cover there initial cost multiple times during their life.
you forgot to mention that expending less energy would mean needing to eat less for breakfast, over a year that would mean a significant saving in bacon rashers  ::)roll

Dan crowther

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2013, 11:06:14 pm »
That's very true! Nothing should get in the way of bacon rashers though...the clx it is then!   ;D

SPE

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2013, 11:13:53 pm »
Buy a 22 SLX,a 25 SLX and a 40 FT SUPERMAX.then u can cover all bases.small,medium and large domestics,mid size commercial and solar panel cleaning.
sorry daz, but why on earth would you need to go to the expense of buying virtually the same pole twice with only a difference in reach of 3 ft  ???
The only pole ( apart from a diy 2 section decorator pole with a an old brush on for ground floor and shop signs ) I now carry on the van and use daily for all jobs is a 40ft super max ( gasps from the audience ! ) and that's because I can only use one pole at a time and need one that reaches 40ft and everything in between.
If it were too much for me (and I aint no muscle mary) then I could always remove and add sections as needed, no need for 3+ poles, you can have 3 in 1 and save hundreds.

SPE

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2013, 11:17:06 pm »
That's very true! Nothing should get in the way of bacon rashers though...the clx it is then!   ;D
you know it makes sense  ;) :D

dazmond

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2013, 07:25:49 am »
fair play i dont need both the 22 and 25 SLX s! ;D ;D ;D ;D

but i bought the 22 when they were on offer and i find the collapsed length shorter and better for run of the mill domestics and i use it for lots of work.easier in tight spaces,down the side of conservatories etc.it does come up a bit short on some work so i get the 25 out.

today ill be using all 3 poles.

25 footer for domestics this morning as there are some very awkward windows over large kitchen extensions.

22 for my work this afternoon

40 ft supermax for solar panel job booked in.

i cant be bothered adding and taking off sections for various jobs so i just grab the right size pole for the job. ;D ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

AuRavelling79

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2013, 08:05:13 am »

Humour aside - Whostolemyhair is absolutely right - lightness makes for less wear and tear and you may feel brave now but wait until you've done this job a few years, increased your customer base and you'll know the difference.

I can tell from John's posts he does not have the experience or the intensity of work to feel the need for a carbon fibre pole. Do not buy just what you need now. My SLX's are going strong at 4 and 5 years old respectively.

But you also need infinite height adjustment at times.

Originally I used an unger teleplus; then a home made carbon sectioned fishing pole out of a golf bag. (That was the lightest pole I ever had but it was fiddly and prone to snap and you couldn't adjust for height.) I tried cheap fibreglass teles too.

SLX22 is my second pole which we have been using since 2009 (We still use my first SLX30 as an SLX20 which I've had since 2008) I have an extreme 47 plus extra sections running as a SLX Extreme 35 too.

On average domestic rounds:

Buy an SLX22. When you hang it out over a conny it will have more control than a bendier pole. You will be able to do a better job more easily as the brush will not move by an inch or so extra possibly brushing brickwork or frame.

To run it as an SLX18, fit a push fit connector to the pole hose and add the bottom section when you need to. (You could do what I did - buy an SLX30 run it as an SLX20 and keep the bottom sections separate for high work)

The Extreme: excellent pole but you don't have the infinite adjustment of a telescopic and on domestics, down the side of a house or wedged between the house and an outbuilding the slx trumps it.

SLX22 all the way. No contest. You can add extra sections later and take it to 30 and beyond when you get that contract that needs it.
It's a game of three halves!

Positivity

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2013, 08:23:13 am »
Hi DG
The SLX is more rigid but IMO the CLX is much easier to extend and close it "glides" better. I have always found the SLX drags more as you extend and close it much more friction between the surfaces.
And at 22 feet the whip of the CLX is no problem you won't even notice it.

DG Cleaning

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2013, 08:41:28 am »
Thank you all for your advice it is much appreciated.
I was torn between the two.
In the end I decided to go for a SLX 22 with gooseneck and an extreme medium mixed brush.
Gold's advice swayed it for me with the ability to extend it later on if needed.
I know I could have done the same with a CLX but an SLX will probably be better at height.
Also if there is less strain at angles then even better.
Once again thank you for taking the time to offer your advice ;D

home6442

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2013, 03:50:24 pm »

Humour aside - Whostolemyhair is absolutely right - lightness makes for less wear and tear and you may feel brave now but wait until you've done this job a few years, increased your customer base and you'll know the difference.

I can tell from John's posts he does not have the experience or the intensity of work to feel the need for a carbon fibre pole. Do not buy just what you need now. My SLX's are going strong at 4 and 5 years old respectively.

But you also need infinite height adjustment at times.

Originally I used an unger teleplus; then a home made carbon sectioned fishing pole out of a golf bag. (That was the lightest pole I ever had but it was fiddly and prone to snap and you couldn't adjust for height.) I tried cheap fibreglass teles too.

SLX22 is my second pole which we have been using since 2009 (We still use my first SLX30 as an SLX20 which I've had since 2008) I have an extreme 47 plus extra sections running as a SLX Extreme 35 too.

On average domestic rounds:

Buy an SLX22. When you hang it out over a conny it will have more control than a bendier pole. You will be able to do a better job more easily as the brush will not move by an inch or so extra possibly brushing brickwork or frame.

To run it as an SLX18, fit a push fit connector to the pole hose and add the bottom section when you need to. (You could do what I did - buy an SLX30 run it as an SLX20 and keep the bottom sections separate for high work)

The Extreme: excellent pole but you don't have the infinite adjustment of a telescopic and on domestics, down the side of a house or wedged between the house and an outbuilding the slx trumps it.

SLX22 all the way. No contest. You can add extra sections later and take it to 30 and beyond when you get that contract that needs it.




Its a wonder how anybody ever cleaned a window before this guy came along.
Its astounds me how he ever gets any work done for blowing kisses at his reflection
in the glass.

AuRavelling79

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2013, 05:30:49 pm »
>John

You make me smile!  ;D

And here's a kiss for you.  :-*
It's a game of three halves!

roundbuilder

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2013, 07:23:42 pm »
The stiffness of an slx over the clx is amaizingly different. Slx is a different league, next on the shopping list is the extreme25 where i can then cuss down the slx if thats possibe!!.

dd

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2013, 07:36:07 pm »
Im after the CLX27 which works out at roughly £180
The SLX30 is roughly £325.
CLX weighs 1800g
SLX weighs 1720g
Yes the SLX is longer but the weight difference is hardly noticeable.
My main everyday pole is the CLX18 which weighs 1070g.
The two poles together cost less than the SLX30.
To sum it up for 90% of the time I am lifting 1070g and 10% of the time Im lifting 1800g
If I was to get the SLX I would be lifting 1720g 100% of the time.
Doesn't matter what pole you get but don't get a pole longer than you need because
then you are carrying around extra weight for the sake of extra length which you
might only use now and again.





slx 25 is a much better pole than clx 27. I have both and there is a huge difference. slx is only about 18 inches shorter but find it will reach the same windows as the clx because it is more rigid and easier to maneuver.

I would use the slx 25 in place of clx 18 and 27.

clx 22 is quite a nice pole but the clx 27 IMO is too heavy and has too much flex.

home6442

Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2013, 07:51:51 pm »
Im after the CLX27 which works out at roughly £180
The SLX30 is roughly £325.
CLX weighs 1800g
SLX weighs 1720g
Yes the SLX is longer but the weight difference is hardly noticeable.
My main everyday pole is the CLX18 which weighs 1070g.
The two poles together cost less than the SLX30.
To sum it up for 90% of the time I am lifting 1070g and 10% of the time Im lifting 1800g
If I was to get the SLX I would be lifting 1720g 100% of the time.
Doesn't matter what pole you get but don't get a pole longer than you need because
then you are carrying around extra weight for the sake of extra length which you
might only use now and again.





slx 25 is a much better pole than clx 27. I have both and there is a huge difference. slx is only about 18 inches shorter but find it will reach the same windows as the clx because it is more rigid and easier to maneuver.

I would use the slx 25 in place of clx 18 and 27.

clx 22 is quite a nice pole but the clx 27 IMO is too heavy and has too much flex.


To be honest I don't have too many hard to reach windows on my normal run so the clx18 works for me
and at that length its rigid enough.
But I see your point about the SLX25 I think you might have converted me Thanks for the advice.

gary999

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Re: CLX 22 or SLX 22?
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2013, 10:28:00 pm »
clx22 looked a nice pole when i ordered one for a mate
nice and light and no noticeable flex.far too fragile in my hands
though ill stick with my old fashioned unger optiloc and tele poles
which i use with ease

How's the achilles Gary?  :D

getting better...be buggered if i was a ladder jockey ;D