[trippyboy]

My insurance is up for renewal in March, Swinton who iam with now couldn't find a company to cover me for the lpg for my renewal, even though iam currently  covered for Lpg.
Anyone recommend an insurance company that will cover lpg and water heater at a reasonable rate?

[Frankybadboy]

come on trippy do you think anyone tells there insurance 

[trippyboy]

Yep i did 3 months ago it cost me £25.00 fee.
If you have an accident without mentioning your carry lpg they aint gonna pay out are they?

[Dave Willis]

Imagine how much Dazmond is going to lose if his van goes up in flames!

[DaveG]

Come on, all you L5/L8/Fastar users, who are you insured with?

[Jonny 87]

Unless you have it in WRITING from your insurance company that;

1) You are covered to operate the LPG shower heater outside of the manufacturers instructions
(inside a vehicle)

&

2) That you are also covered to operate the heater while you are away from the vehicle and out of eyesight,

Then I would highly doubt anyone is truly covered by their insurance. I used one for a few years but I was aware that I'm working outside my insurance and if my van caught fire I'd be in serious problems with my insurance.

A lot of the time people think they are covered because they have notified the insurance they are carrying a gas bottle, but that's only part of it.

Try getting them to put in writing that you are covered for the above 2 points and you will see them run a mile.

[trippyboy]

Unless you have it in WRITING from your insurance company that;

1) You are covered to operate the LPG shower heater outside of the manufacturers instructions
(inside a vehicle)

&

2) That you are also covered to operate the heater while you are away from the vehicle and out of eyesight,

Then I would highly doubt anyone is truly covered by their insurance. I used one for a few years but I was aware that I'm working outside my insurance and if my van caught fire I'd be in serious problems with my insurance.

A lot of the time people think they are covered because they have notified the insurance they are carrying a gas bottle, but that's only part of it.

Try getting them to put in writing that you are covered for the above 2 points and you will see them run a mile.

There must be a company who will cover this , its no different from owning a camper van is it

[Lee GLS]

I know Aviva do cover lpg, I am with more than business and they cover.

In the past i have been insured with Aplan and flux direct and the both covered lpg

[Splash & dash]

Most company's will want to see a gas safe safety installation certificate type of thing , unless you explain exactly what you are using it for and how it works most think you are like a plumber and just carrying a cylinder in the van not using it for a portable shower unit that's mounted in the van , again you MUST HAVE AN EXTERNAL EXAHUST TO CARRY FUMES OUTOF THE VAN , leaving the rear doors open isn't sufficient ventilation , this is all basic stuff just ask a gas safe installer they would not be allowed to fit it or Evan work on it unless it's fitted in this way , Ime in the fire service and have been out to a number of properties that people have been poisoned and some have Evan died as a result , it's just a matter of time before it happens to someone in a vehicle , don't risk your life just for cheap hot water get it fitted properly and safely

[trippyboy]

Most company's will want to see a gas safe safety installation certificate type of thing , unless you explain exactly what you are using it for and how it works most think you are like a plumber and just carrying a cylinder in the van not using it for a portable shower unit that's mounted in the van , again you MUST HAVE AN EXTERNAL EXAHUST TO CARRY FUMES OUTOF THE VAN , leaving the rear doors open isn't sufficient ventilation , this is all basic stuff just ask a gas safe installer they would not be allowed to fit it or Evan work on it unless it's fitted in this way , Ime in the fire service and have been out to a number of properties that people have been poisoned and some have Evan died as a result , it's just a matter of time before it happens to someone in a vehicle , don't risk your life just for cheap hot water get it fitted properly and safely

I have an external flue fitted with mine

[dazmond]

Most company's will want to see a gas safe safety installation certificate type of thing , unless you explain exactly what you are using it for and how it works most think you are like a plumber and just carrying a cylinder in the van not using it for a portable shower unit that's mounted in the van , again you MUST HAVE AN EXTERNAL EXAHUST TO CARRY FUMES OUTOF THE VAN , leaving the rear doors open isn't sufficient ventilation , this is all basic stuff just ask a gas safe installer they would not be allowed to fit it or Evan work on it unless it's fitted in this way , Ime in the fire service and have been out to a number of properties that people have been poisoned and some have Evan died as a result , it's just a matter of time before it happens to someone in a vehicle , don't risk your life just for cheap hot water get it fitted properly and safely

it doesnt matter as i only use the heater when im away from the vehicle(not sat inside it with the windows closed! .)

leaving a rear door open is sufficient.then when its time to move the van i open both rear doors and the side doors to let any fumes escape as im putting my gear away then move on to my next job.simple.i also have a full steel bulkhead.

oh i also have a carbon monoxide detector and guess what?its never gone off!your being over dramatic.using a gas heater in the van with a door open is no different to using it as an outdoor shower IMO.

obviously when your driving or actually sat in the van (having your lunch or whatever)THE HEATER AND GAS IS OFF!!

[Dave Willis]

So, you are insured then Dazmond? Also does your public liability cover you on commercial property as well?

[martindrz400]

My insurance is no difference carrying lpg and using gas heater

[Tosh]

Alexander Swan they cover for LPG as well. No extra cost.

[bobplum]

Alexander Swan they cover for LPG as well. No extra cost.

same for me, told them gas bottle size etc

[best]

I know Aviva do cover lpg, I am with more than business and they cover.

In the past i have been insured with Aplan and flux direct and the both covered lpg

Aviva refused to Insure me with lpg
Aplan  said they would insure me(through Aviva)
Both checked with underwriters

[Splash & dash]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

[Jonny 87]

Guys try and get it in writing! It won't happen.

It's no good speaking to someone on the phone as 9 times out of 10 they just think you mean carrying a gas bottle. Not actually having a naked flame enclosed in the back of your van.

Look at the professional lpg installs...... they HAVE to have a flue fitted through the roof, and they HAVE to have the gas bottle secured underneath the vehicle or in a enclosed cabinet with floor vents to allow gas to escape if it leaks.

[trippyboy]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

i have a flue with mine i have carbon alarm in cab i have fire extinguisher  i leave back doors open have a metal bulk head and lpg stickers. Iam about to invest in a metal storage box with 4 sides and lid for the gas bottle, will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

[Tosh]

will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

Just cut out the beans mate, we’re talking LPG gas here not your farts.

[Smurf]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

Do you see a flue fitted on this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSsRn6PwZ-w

[Splash & dash]

Hi smurf there isn't a video there It's blank , Jonny 87 is quite write in what he is saying but it's up to you if you want to take that risk then carry on but you cannot do it leagaly unless it's signed off by a gas safe fitter and they will not sighn it off without a flue that's a fact as they would be responsible, in fact it goes further than that they have a duty of care to disconnect it to prevent it being used if it's fitted in the manner that most on here think is ok

[Tosh]

Where are the regulations for this please Reflections?

[Tosh]

I have this from my broker.

[Smurf]

Hi, not sure what device you are using as the link I posted does work as I've just tested it again.
It's actually showing a calor gas approved water heater install without a flue fitted.  I'm sure sureclean would not be fitting them in customers vans if they were illegal surely?

[Splash & dash]

This is what comes up when I go on it
Ime not up on the gas regulations, but was talking to a gas engineer , he said that to install something like that into a vehicle that is designed to work in the open (as a lot of these shower units are sold as open air showers ) if it's going to be installed into a vehicle it has to have a flue on the outside , would you have a gas boiler in your kitchen without a flue to out side ? Of course not it's exactly the same principle in a vehicle

[Splash & dash]

For some reason it won't let me post a screen shot of it it has the sureclean hot water system heading but said video isn't available??  Ime using an iPad usually works ok ??

[Dave Willis]

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between operating a boiler and simply transporting a gas cylinder too. It's easy to tell the broker you carry a gas cylinder actually igniting a boiler is a bit different.
My broker was only worried about the weight, he didn't have a clue what I actually meant. Catering vans for instance are not allowed to have the cooker and cylinder working inside the van/trailer 

[Smurf]

This made me chuckle...Oops! lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD4gIgVQD14

[Stoots]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

i have a flue with mine i have carbon alarm in cab i have fire extinguisher  i leave back doors open have a metal bulk head and lpg stickers. Iam about to invest in a metal storage box with 4 sides and lid for the gas bottle, will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

Leaving doors open wont do anything unless there is airflow through the van to move the gas out, i.e the windows are open as well and its windy.

People have been gassed to death in tents whilst sleeping leaving stoves on thinking its ok if the doors open, well its not as there is no air flow.

No one cares what you do or dont do do with regards ventilation but dont spout utter nonsense like its fact and endanger other peoples lives who may be reading and think its a clever idea.

Use an immersion heater and stop being a tard. Gas in a van very clever idea 

[Smurf]

I've been using a gas water heater in a van  for years. Not gassed myself to death nor blown myself up yet as I'm not as stupid as I make out sometimes. That reminds  me I must stop smoking as is bad for my health. lol

Still if you are not happy don't use one. Simply find a safer alternative. 

[Jonny 87]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

[Dry Clean]

There's no need to tell your insurance that your carrying a gas bottle its no different than taking one on a camping trip
in the family car.
If running a DIY gas flamed water heater in the back of an unattended van you wont be covered anyway so why bother telling.

[Dave Willis]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

Interesting, I had a faulty regulator that leaked gas in my van. I stopped using my heater shortly after that.

[Jonny 87]

As Mike Tyson once said..... everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.......

Aka in window cleaning terms.....

"Everything is fine and dandy until your van catches fire or explodes."

Using and operating an outdoor shower as an water heater is fine, but just don't expect your insurance to pay out if there's an accident.

I'm still yet to see it in writing from anyone that they are covered to Operate a gas boiler inside their vehicle while it is unattended.

The amount of window cleaners popping up now and setting these boilers up it really is only a matter of time until there's an accident. This is why I went down the immersion route.

That and also one day I didn't tighten up the gas inlet on the boiler enough, which meant gas was leaking, I ignited the boiler to start work and then then the naked flame caught some of the gas and ignited. I've never used one since.

We can all be as vigilant as you like but in all honesty are you going to do all The needed safety checks every time you pull up to a job? Disconnect gas bottle, reconnect gas bottle, make sure hose is tight to boiler etc.

I know I wasn't.

Interesting, I had a faulty regulator that leaked gas in my van. I stopped using my heater shortly after that.

I had a "flash back arrestor" fitted in mine so I think that was the only thing stopping the whole gas bottle igniting. From a flame traveling back through the pipe, Or mayb the regulator would have stopped it?

Either way that was my close call, and never used it since.

[Dave Willis]

I could smell the gas in my van. Because it was the threads on the regulator having the gas shut off made no difference. The gas would have settled on the van floor overnight - the whole cylinder could have emptied overnight all around my leisure battery complete with crocodile clips. The potential for a spark was high. All the ingredients for a major disaster were there staring me in the face. Utter madness.

I had a flue through the roof but that wouldn't have made a difference in my case. These things are designed to be outside hung off a tree, not nailed to the ply lining inside an enclosed area.

[Smurf]

Best practise a regulator should not only be turned off but disconnected from the gas bottle when not in use. This goes without saying when on the move as well. It's also common sense to do daily checks for leaks and the gas bottle should be secured properly in a leak proof box that is vented through the floor.  As far as venting the heater best practise is to fit a flue but some types like an L5 you can't very well as like you say are designed to be hung on a tree. lol

[dazmond]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

im still here!not died yet!

your scaremainering IMO.theres always at least one doom and gloom merchant.

[dazmond]

Leaving a door open is NOT SUFICIENT AND IS DANGEROUS you cannot see or smell carbon monoxide take it from someone who has had to deal with people that have died from it , just beacause you have an alarm doesn't automatically make it safe the fumes can be in one area and not another , you can also suffer carbon monoxide poisoning over a period of time that won't nessaseroly kill you but will make you very ill , why play with your life and anyone else who may travel in the vehicle for the cost of a flue that can be easily fitted . You are always saying how much more money you are earning each year why not do the job properly and safely , it's your life that's at steak . No gas fitter would be allowed to sighn off a job installed without a flue ., shorely that said it all , ime not exaggerating the facts I've seen it first hand sadly more than once , but I guess it's up to you

i have a flue with mine i have carbon alarm in cab i have fire extinguisher  i leave back doors open have a metal bulk head and lpg stickers. Iam about to invest in a metal storage box with 4 sides and lid for the gas bottle, will also vent the floor in that storgage box so any gas will escape out of van

Leaving doors open wont do anything unless there is airflow through the van to move the gas out, i.e the windows are open as well and its windy.

People have been gassed to death in tents whilst sleeping leaving stoves on thinking its ok if the doors open, well its not as there is no air flow.

No one cares what you do or dont do do with regards ventilation but dont spout utter nonsense like its fact and endanger other peoples lives who may be reading and think its a clever idea.

Use an immersion heater and stop being a tard. Gas in a van very clever idea 

yeah but you dont sleep in your van with the boiler on do you?or have the boiler running while your in the van with the windows closed for ANY PERIOD OF TIME!

[Tosh]

Have you seen the state of his van, you wouldn’t let your dog sleep in it.

[trippyboy]

Alexander Swan will insure me with LPG and naked flame hot water system.
They are more expensive than what I'm paying now but there again im increasing the risk with gas.
So looks like I'll be going with them .
£678 per year...

[jonny thompson]

I use a plan lots cheaper than Alexandra swan

[trippyboy]

I use a plan lots cheaper than Alexandra swan

they cover naked flame?

[dazmond]

Alexander Swan will insure me with LPG and naked flame hot water system.
They are more expensive than what I'm paying now but there again im increasing the risk with gas.
So looks like I'll be going with them .
£678 per year...

id get rid of it trippy.i thought mine was all set up nice and tight then BOOM!s*** the life out of me!!

[Tosh]

So, what happened then Daz? Dodgy seal?

[dazmond]

So, what happened then Daz? Dodgy seal?

no idea.all my fittings were nice and tight and i always spray the gas bottle with a soapy solution when fitting the gas regulator to a new bottle and spray the gas inlet too.....nothing....no bubbles.....zilch.

[Tosh]

When I had this happen there was obviously a build up of gas in the rear of the van. I don’t understand what happened exactly, but what happened was I opened the vans rear doors and there was what I can only describe as a huge flash from inside the van. Really big and unexpected. I don’t remember any noise just a huge flash. It was over before it even seemed to have started.

[trippyboy]

When I had this happen there was obviously a build up of gas in the rear of the van. I don’t understand what happened exactly, but what happened was I opened the vans rear doors and there was what I can only describe as a huge flash from inside the van. Really big and unexpected. I don’t remember any noise just a huge flash. It was over before it even seemed to have started.

what was you smoking that day Mr B?

[Tosh]

Bum gases afterwards.

[Dave Willis]

So, what happened then Daz? Dodgy seal?

no idea.all my fittings were nice and tight and i always spray the gas bottle with a soapy solution when fitting the gas regulator to a new bottle and spray the gas inlet too.....nothing....no bubbles.....zilch.

sounds like the boiler was still hot and allowing enough gas out to ignite it but the batteries were not producing a strong enough spark. Then eventually the excess gas went poof!

[dazmond]

So, what happened then Daz? Dodgy seal?

no idea.all my fittings were nice and tight and i always spray the gas bottle with a soapy solution when fitting the gas regulator to a new bottle and spray the gas inlet too.....nothing....no bubbles.....zilch.

sounds like the boiler was still hot and allowing enough gas out to ignite it but the batteries were not producing a strong enough spark. Then eventually the excess gas went poof!

i put fresh new batteries in it when i fitted it in the van the other week Dave as the old ones were not strong enough anymore.

[Smurf]

Not being  funny but could you not smell gas before it went poof?
L5's are notorious for bad ignition and flame out on the least bit of wind too.
I don't no why you where still using that crappy heater. lol

[Frankybadboy]

Alexander Swan will insure me with LPG and naked flame hot water system.
They are more expensive than what I'm paying now but there again im increasing the risk with gas.
So looks like I'll be going with them .
£678 per year...

thats double what i pay for a new bloody van without a lpg

but there again your earn that in a day with one bag of resin lol