Freedom trolley

« **on:** May 27, 2008, 10:37:33 am »

Just bought a second hand freedom trolley. Im going to set it up over weekend. I know nothing about pure water and how to make it. My tap water reads 128. Is this good or bad. Ive got a ro thing but someone has mentioned polishing it off with resin.

Any help would be appreciated cheers.

« **Reply #1 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:47:18 am »

birdy if you fancy a drive from sheffield to barnsley i will show you how to go on with setting up ro , di , your tap tds is low compared to mine at 287

« **Reply #2 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:51:08 am »

Got it off a bloke from another forum in darlington. I could call him but just thought whilst im sat here and it is pi//ing it down i could do a bit of research. What is a di

« **Reply #3 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:56:13 am »

di is the resin for polishing off

« **Reply #4 on:** May 27, 2008, 10:57:56 am »

How much are we talking to buy one

« **Reply #5 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:02:37 am »

around £100 for a pollyglass vessel complete with resin and fittings
or around £40 for 10" filter vessel with refilable cartridge, resin and fittings.

« **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:06:56 am »

this would all depend on the size you wanted 11 ltr £79 + vat 25 ltr £99 + vat 1400 ml £41.50 + vat these prices are from window cleaning warehouse resin around £70 a bag , try a search on e-bay for di units .

« **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:10:28 am »

So the ro unit that comes with the trolley does not bring the tds reading down to 0

« **Reply #8 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:11:29 am »

give x-line a ring on 0115-939-4444 hes a supplier whos recently started up in nottingham hes on this forum at the moment .

« **Reply #9 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:12:48 am »

ro units can bring tds down to 000ppm but the di will make sure of this .

« **Reply #10 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:28:12 am »

cheers dave.

anybody can call me any time for free advice
james (xline)

« **Reply #11 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:31:03 am »

cheers dave and james will get back to you

« **Reply #12 on:** May 27, 2008, 11:39:36 am »

Quote from: birdymiller on May 27, 2008, 11:31:03 am

cheers dave and james will get back to you

no probs mate happy to help just remember im only half hour drive from sheffield so if you need help setting up give me a shout on here .

« **Reply #13 on:** May 27, 2008, 03:38:21 pm »

Hi Birdy

Im no expert but I may live closer as I live in Sheffield, Wadsley. I will gladly show you my set up and explain things so you get a better understanding of WFP. Let me know.

John

« **Reply #14 on:** May 27, 2008, 03:52:54 pm »

Cheers for the offer basil, ive been on the blower to the guy who i bought it off and because he lives in a soft water area he never needed the di. But he suggested getting it set up with the ro and find out what the reading is. If it is crap then get a di.

How do you do yours basil from a trolley, backpack or van. I watched the clips of grounddog the other day and he has inspired me into wfp.

« **Reply #15 on:** May 27, 2008, 04:02:57 pm »

I make mine at home and store in a 1000ltr Ibc then transfere to a tank in the back of my van and use either a back pack or trolly to clean customers properties, again your welcome to come and have a look.

John

« **Reply #16 on:** May 27, 2008, 06:14:58 pm »

Hi Birdy.

If you want any advice or help at all in setting it up feel free to call me at the office on 01472 347519. You may or may not need a DI with a tap reading as low as yours.

The reason you have a DI is to get rid of the last few percentage of solids that RO units dont remove. I am happy to explain it all to you so that you will easilly set it up.

Regards
Andrew (Pure Freedom)

« **Reply #17 on:** May 27, 2008, 08:40:43 pm »

cheers andrew just been in garage arranging all the gear. My brother in law is a plumber so hes comin out to fit me an tap in the garage and some plumbing for the waste. Once its up and running ill see what it produces and maybe i might need a di and some resin. god im getting good at this i know all the jargon, what a difference 24 hours can make in wfp lol

« **Reply #18 on:** May 27, 2008, 08:54:59 pm »

Quote from: birdymiller on May 27, 2008, 08:40:43 pm

cheers andrew just been in garage arranging all the gear. My brother in law is a plumber so hes comin out to fit me an tap in the garage and some plumbing for the waste. Once its up and running ill see what it produces and maybe i might need a di and some resin. god im getting good at this i know all the jargon, what a difference 24 hours can make in wfp lol

lol OK I will be calling you for advice in a week or two then

Just one important thing. If the RO hasnt been used for a while give it a good flush for 20 mins or so. If it's one of our ROs just turn the black tap to the FLOW position to do this. Then turn it the only way it will turn. thats quarter of a turn (This is the normal production position) and run it for 20 to 30 mins BEFORE you put the product pipe into the DI. This is because TDS creep will have occured and the TDS out at the start will be high. It will go down minute by minute until it bottoms out.

Hope this helps

Regards

Andrew

« **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2008, 09:29:19 pm »

will do cheers, might need some help if the filters need changing, are they expensive. Another thing whilst i think on the guy who sold it me told me it takes about 12 hours to fill the 210 litre water butt, is this right.

« **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2008, 03:34:29 pm »

Just fixed a hose on to my ro unit and turned water supply on. Got water coming out of red waste pipe and the ro is gurgling but no sign of water from the blue pipe. How long does it take before water comes out been on for 5 minutes. Just wondering if im doing something wrong

.

« **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2008, 03:42:25 pm »

Panic over. Just checked and ive got pure water coming out of blue pipe. Just checked a cup full with tds meter and it read 0. Thought this cant be right so tested tap water and it read 128.Then tested my pure again 0 again. So this is good isnt it. Just got alot more waste than pure but this normal isnt it.

« **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:19:23 pm »

yes thats normal mate

« **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:28:14 pm »

Can you get better ro units that dont waste that much or are they all the same.

« **Reply #24 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:31:11 pm »

you can but if your not on a meter and its producing enuff water for what you need it for then my moto is if its not broke dont fix it!

« **Reply #25 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:32:34 pm »

cheers james

« **Reply #26 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:34:24 pm »

no probs. good luck with everything its a bit strange when starting off but it will come.

« **Reply #27 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:39:18 pm »

I wasnt going to start using it just yet. I was going to carry on cleaning trad for a few more weeks making sure that all the frames upstairs get a good wipe. But not sure if i can wait that long. Do you think i should just get stuck in or take my time.

« **Reply #28 on:** May 28, 2008, 05:46:27 pm »

get stuck in mate take your time it wont be easy but it will come. use squeegee off or unger liquid on your trad as this will help reduse spotting when you change over

« **Reply #29 on:** May 28, 2008, 07:00:40 pm »

this time next month birdy lad you'd be cruising and hading out advice on here left right n center

« **Reply #30 on:** May 28, 2008, 08:20:01 pm »

I would practice for a day or two on your own and friends houses.

It's not so much about getting decent results although you want them really. It's more about getting used to handling the kit and looking confident and compotent when you set yourself loose on customers.

There's nothing worse than looking clumsy when you are introducing something new.

If you call me at the office on 01472 347519 I will give you a password to the download section on our website. There is a "How to" there and also an explanation leaflet that you can customise to have your own details on it. It's much better having a few of these to hand out to the customers who ask you what you are doing and how it works.

Regards

Andrew

« **Reply #31 on:** May 28, 2008, 09:14:27 pm »

Birdy , when you do convert, break yourself in gently eg.don't do like I did and suddenly stop trad and start wfp,as your 1st cleans take longer as more attention is needed to frames. Set urself a target of a certain amount of jobs per day wfp and trad the rest say,6wfp .Each week add another couple on per day so you don't get too far behind.

« **Reply #32 on:** May 28, 2008, 09:47:59 pm »

nice one rpwc not thought about doing that. I could do an hour after the lads have finished each day.

« **Reply #33 on:** May 29, 2008, 05:29:41 am »

let me know if you want any of the 25l water containers i get from the local car wash our kid and i'll get you some,hey give me 4 or 5 at a time and i stick a fiver in their top box

« **Reply #34 on:** May 29, 2008, 07:42:31 am »

You were up nice and early kirky, smashing morning round this way. Get me some when you can mate and let me know and ill come over and pick them up cheers. Not going to bother with the wrexham company, ive got 5 that fit the trolley so another 5 off you should do me. Cant wait fo my brother in law to fit me tap in garage so i can get some proper water pressure. At moment got ro fitted up to a diy outside tap and pressure is poor. Had it on since 4 yesterday afternoon and got about 120 litres, thats not good is it