[jeff1]

This is a real thing not pie in the sky so take a look.

For those Guys registered on petrolprice.com its on there site, just click the link below, there is a little more  on there site about it.
http://www.petrolprices.com/blog/-the-year-of-the-electric-car-90.html



For those of you who arn't registered I don't know if this link will get you there?
http://www.water-4-fuel.com/

[Cleaner Windows]

very interesting! from watching scrapyard challenge I know that electric engines can produce some really good "pull off" times so maybe in time with the right experience and knowledge these cars will be good enough to sway us petrolheads and others to buy them. Its a nice idea isn't it!? 

[jeff1]

very interesting! from watching scrapyard challenge I know that electric engines can produce some really good "pull off" times so maybe in time with the right experience and knowledge these cars will be good enough to sway us petrolheads and others to buy them. Its a nice idea isn't it!? 

The thing is this technology has been known for years, its the petrol companies who stopped the idea getting onto the open market, I haven't had a full read of it yet but I intend to.

[windowwashers]

very interesting! from watching scrapyard challenge I know that electric engines can produce some really good "pull off" times so maybe in time with the right experience and knowledge these cars will be good enough to sway us petrolheads and others to buy them. Its a nice idea isn't it!? 

I dont mind being called a water head, pertol is way over taxed  :

[jeff1]

Just read it works for Diesel as well, so I'm changing the title to match

[Cleaner Windows]

its a sad world really when ideas like this need to be concentrated on, but no one seems to give it a real go!
i am a petrol head but for the sake of the environment i would willingly sacrofice the 0- 60 etc for a safer and cheaper way of getting around! my kids and their kids have got to live here after me.
Its like that windfarm thing! why do ppl rant about them and say they would ruin the environment cos they look horrible? when they are the same ppl who are pushing for greener emmissions etc? i'm sure its worth any little sacrifice to try and make things better!
maybe its not true, maybe we arent contributing to the greenhouse effect as much as they reckon, but whats the harm in changing things?

[jouk45]

i watch a movie set on true events, in 1940s a man patent the first water engine,  the petrol companys tried to buy him out, he was having non of it, story is the he and his wive.  blank,  dont want to spoil it as you might watch it  thing is inventors are scared to declare those kind of inventions, for fear of being bumped of,

[jeff1]

'O' No we need distilled water to operate it, something us guy's are short of and some baking soda.

Just a little extract I took from the page.

We're not going to go over everything here. You'll get all the instructions. But here are the major factors you have to know:

SAFETY FIRST: First thing you have to understand is there are NO safety hazards - this system is SAFE. Yes, pure Hydrogen that is dangerous. And it is dangerous to store it in high-pressure tanks. But we do NOT generate Hydrogen, you see, we generate HHO. The presence of Oxygen and water vapor in our system makes HHO very safe! Yes, HHO is a powerful combustible gas. But it's NOT explosive like pure Hydrogen. It does NOT need cooling and will be ignited only by the strong spark inside your engine. This has been proven by many thousands of miles of road tests in harsh weather and road conditions.  

Again, we don't generate Hydrogen; we generate HHO - and also WE DO NOT STORE IT. All HHO produced gets consumed by the engine right away. Bottom line: unlike "Hydrogen Cars" this system is VERY SAFE.

MAINTENANCE: Little service needed, maybe 5 minutes a week. You will get easy to follow instructions. You need basic technical skills or someone to do it for you. What's needed? It is recommended that you inspect it weekly, add a bit of water (? cup a week) and every 3-6 weeks put 3 cups of distilled water and 1 teaspoon of Baking Soda. More maintenance is rarely needed. We do not supply parts; those can be obtained very cheaply from hardware stores (catalog numbers provided for your convenience) so you can enjoy this technology for many years with very little expense.

SPACE REQUIREMENTS: The minimal space required for installation is 3.7 inch wide (9.4 cm) by 8 inch tall (20.3 cm). You should have easy access to the device. Ideal places we have found are near the washer fluid, the battery or in front of the radiator.
The system you will learn is very easy - you can make many copies of it. Per our policy of "Open Source" you will get instructions and cheap resources to fully duplicate this system and create more Water4Gas units for your friends - using only easily obtained hardware and simple tools!!! NOTHING is hidden or complicated. The Power Of Simplicity is at your service!

[chrismroberts]

Has anyone tried it? Does it work? puts me off that he wants 50 bucks for the information.... fair enough if its useful, could save you a packet.... but if its a scam, tis £30 down the drain.

[jeff1]

Has anyone tried it? Does it work? puts me off that he wants 50 bucks for the information.... fair enough if its useful, could save you a packet.... but if its a scam, tis £30 down the drain.

I haven't gone into petrolprice.coms forum to have a read yet, but you can be sure if its on petrolprice.com its no scam.

[Tim Rose]

Here you go, bascially free money or your life back etc etc. , free money/sex/women, men/blah blah,/drugs, happiness for life just send $50 etc...

[L.J.Thorpe]

actually rosy there is some sense in this !!!! the thing they are selling is abrowns gas electrolyzer it splits water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis (did you pay attention in physics at school???) the baking soda is an alkali and increases the efficiency of the reaction.Oxyhydrogen is the gas produced and it is used in welding and has been used to make cars burn less petrol before .It is often introduced through the inlet manifold on petrol engines but i dont see how it can work on a diesel engine cos i thought it needed a high ignition temp but it also needs a high compresion ratio to burn properly so i am confused.Must say tho the kit they are selling looks abit .......mmm how you say......crappy

[L.J.Thorpe]

by the way you cant run your vehicle on water this just reduces your fuel consumption.......allegedly

[L.J.Thorpe]

and i am pretty sure the timing would need to be altered.....probly

[chrismroberts]

actually rosy there is some sense in this !!!! the thing they are selling is abrowns gas electrolyzer it splits water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis (did you pay attention in physics at school???) the baking soda is an alkali and increases the efficiency of the reaction.Oxyhydrogen is the gas produced and it is used in welding and has been used to make cars burn less petrol before .It is often introduced through the inlet manifold on petrol engines but i dont see how it can work on a diesel engine cos i thought it needed a high ignition temp but it also needs a high compresion ratio to burn properly so i am confused.Must say tho the kit they are selling looks abit .......mmm how you say......crappy

Oh yeh, the physics works, definitely. BMW have been working on hydrogen combustion engines for years, theyre based on the 5 liter 7 series engine and can burn petrol as well. Its just they use supercooled stored hydrogen, very volatile.

All that is needed is a way of producing hydrogen, from water, using electrolysis "on the fly" as it were.... which is what this is. But like you say... it looks a little "crappy" for sure 

[jeff1]

actually rosy there is some sense in this !!!! the thing they are selling is abrowns gas electrolyzer it splits water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis (did you pay attention in physics at school???) the baking soda is an alkali and increases the efficiency of the reaction.Oxyhydrogen is the gas produced and it is used in welding and has been used to make cars burn less petrol before .It is often introduced through the inlet manifold on petrol engines but i dont see how it can work on a diesel engine cos i thought it needed a high ignition temp but it also needs a high compresion ratio to burn properly so i am confused.Must say tho the kit they are selling looks abit .......mmm how you say......crappy

Nice one  
Actually there not selling a kit, you build it yourself, thats why it looks DIY, also there are 5 kits for different applications, I'm tempted to give it a try, but I do agree with the Diesel theory though, so will read on to see if anything comes to light.

Also the Americans are using it on there Big Gas guzzlers

[L.J.Thorpe]

electrolysis of water  produces hydrogen at one electrode and oxygen at the other . big companys use various methods to seperate these gases because that is what they want but oxyhydroogen is very combustible on its own i just cant se how it can work on a diesel engine which most people on here have for their vans .To be honest i cant see it working at all no offence would you buy it ?

[chrismroberts]

electrolysis of water  produces hydrogen at one electrode and oxygen at the other . big companys use various methods to seperate these gases because that is what they want but oxyhydroogen is very combustible on its own i just cant se how it can work on a diesel engine which most people on here have for their vans .To be honest i cant see it working at all no offence would you buy it ?

I wouldnt buy THIS particular "book", no... but the basic idea is good. Hydrogen combustion works, fact. And it works with minimal alteration to petrol engines. Dont know about diesels though....  The trick is finding a way to produce and extract hydrogen from water fast enough and reliably enough to power an engine, which is consuming fuel thousands of times a minute.

[jeff1]

electrolysis of water  produces hydrogen at one electrode and oxygen at the other . big companys use various methods to seperate these gases because that is what they want but oxyhydroogen is very combustible on its own i just cant se how it can work on a diesel engine which most people on here have for their vans .To be honest i cant see it working at all no offence would you buy it ?

Hey! No offence taken, this is what forums are about sensible discussions.
As for buying the book yes I may just buy it, £25 isn't the end of the world, if it works on my petrol engine then I'm onto a winner.
The only way the car engine will get damaged, is if I stick the water directly into my Tank and I'm not about to do that am I? (no comments please )

[L.J.Thorpe]

this kit DOES NOT produce hydrogen it produces oxyhdrogen(HHO) a seperate process is required to seperate oxygen and hydrogen from HHO .This is IMO having viewed the link a jam jar with ssteel electrodes run from battery using baking soda to speed up reaction sited in engine compartment.How is gas introduced into engine combustion cycle? i dont know enough about how that bit of the process works to want to buy this kit and although i hope it does work and would be first to buy one if it did i have to say that i suspect it probably dont

[jeff1]

this kit DOES NOT produce hydrogen it produces oxyhdrogen(HHO) a seperate process is required to seperate oxygen and hydrogen from HHO .This is IMO having viewed the link a jam jar with ssteel electrodes run from battery using baking soda to speed up reaction sited in engine compartment.How is gas introduced into engine combustion cycle? i dont know enough about how that bit of the process works to want to buy this kit and although i hope it does work and would be first to buy one if it did i have to say that i suspect it probably dont

Yes it is oxyhdrogen HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns beautifully and provides TONS of energy - while the end product is just WATER! Mobile Magazine says HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water.

I've emailed Brendon at petrolprice.com to get his view on the book, they say they try to reply  within 24hrs so I'll wait for his reply before I commit to buying the book.
Brown's water  : I hope he dosn't see it or he'll slap tons of Tax on water next

[jeff1]

Have a read of this link and then tell me Brown's gas doesn't work?
if you want to skip some reading scroll straight down to Brown's Gas

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/watercar/h20car2.htm

[Tim Rose]

Here you go, guys.

They're doing this kind of thing regularly on the continent, and I have personally seen in the flesh a lawnmower runningon part petrol part water (vapour).

I was gobsmacked when I saw it.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/pmcjlnen.htm

[Alex Gardiner]

Is it April the 1st or are we all just in Area 51 (or was that 52??)

By the way when are they actually going to land a man on the moon for real??

[jeff1]

Is it April the 1st or are we all just in Area 51 (or was that 52??)

By the way when are they actually going to land a man on the moon for real??

Alex I didn't belive in wfp once upon a time
I agree with the man on the moon bit

[Tim Rose]

God, there really are some fuddy duddy old men out ther in internet-land, aren't there?

I have stood in a garage, for 15 minutes, while a petrol engine was running, and I didn't choke to death.    Why?  Because it was running partly on water.

Search Swedish/Norweigian websites for this stuff if you are serious about saving fuel. Look into what they did in the second world war and before, with fuelling vehicles - really cool stuff, and when Armageddon comes you'll be better placed.

Or rather your children and grandchildren will stand a chance.    We have blown it, but why stuff the future generations?

[Alex Gardiner]

God, there really are some fuddy duddy old men out ther in internet-land, aren't there?

I have stood in a garage, for 15 minutes, while a petrol engine was running, and I didn't choke to death.    Why?  Because it was running partly on water.

Search Swedish/Norweigian websites for this stuff if you are serious about saving fuel. Look into what they did in the second world war and before, with fuelling vehicles - really cool stuff, and when Armageddon comes you'll be better placed.

Or rather your children and grandchildren will stand a chance.    We have blown it, but why stuff the future generations?

I thought of all people you would appreciate the humor Rosy!

Of course I believe in engines that run on water, they have been around for years and if governments didn't make so much money taxing fuel and Oil companies making mega profits, we would have been using them years ago.

I personally will be running all my vehicles this way within the year.

[Tim Rose]

Alex, I didn't catch up with any humor as I've been too busy today.Glad you're open to the ideas.  I am, but need someone else to point me in the right direction.     I expect it'll cost loads anyway.     Not that attractive.      We're not up agaisnt the wall by any means.

[jikwan]

im about to hook up a 7 plate HHO cell to my car
just waiting for a one way valve to arrive

phillipino watercar
                                             
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw

car runs on water

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmmXCUQoF8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl4b7mNBwzM&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyN6x9WTy5c

[jeff1]

im about to hook up a 7 plate HHO cell to my car
just waiting for a one way valve to arrive

phillipino watercar
                                             
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw

car runs on water

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmmXCUQoF8

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl4b7mNBwzM&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyN6x9WTy5c

Jikwan Did you build the cell system yourself or did you get a pre-built one, were did you get the info on building the system? I have all the instructions for a different type of fuel cell but not the Brown's gas one.
Can you keep us upto date on how you get on with fitting it and running it.

[jikwan]

hi jeff
built it myself   a pretty rough design at first  using cheap materials

stainless 304 .7mm platesx7
2end plates pos
central is neg
4 plates neutral

once ive put a checkvalve on  ill run a 6mm hose into the carburettor venturi
for vacuum   

bench test without vacuum produces tons of hho   vacuum can give 10x more
vapour

ill post he results

[jikwan]

jeff
incidentally   awesome potential

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMFvzohuVew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUeGX3hNpU

[jeff1]

hi jeff
built it myself   a pretty rough design at first  using cheap materials

stainless 304 .7mm platesx7
2end plates pos
central is neg
4 plates neutral

once ive put a checkvalve on  ill run a 6mm hose into the carburettor venturi
for vacuum   

bench test without vacuum produces tons of hho   vacuum can give 10x more
vapour

ill post he results

Thats brilliant news, did you use a DI vessel?  there made for it. if you can get some pictures that would be cool, I'm going to build my own have a look at this link.
 http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster2.html
Have a look at the smart mixture display link.
Would love to know your results after the tests, what are you going to use as a controler and don't forget to wire it to the ignition switch, you don't want it running on after engine switch off 

jeff
incidentally awesome potential

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMFvzohuVew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUeGX3hNpU

WoW great links, I see some great potential for the hot water guys, hot water on demand and all in a plastic Tank.
Don't forget to keep me informed I'm really interested in this.

[jikwan]

if you look at this again

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmmXCUQoF8

its as simple as that

all these additional things arent necessary
controllers
pulse width regulators
bubblers
vac guages etc

should be able to diy cell to run car (50%more mpg)
30-50quid

the more hho the engine uses the more necessary to
adjust the timing (retard)
also steel will rust much more eg exhaust  silencer  valves etc

im using plates but ss wire mesh is the optimum but very difficult to get

[jeff1]

if you look at this again

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmmXCUQoF8

its as simple as that

all these additional things arent necessary
controllers
pulse width regulators
bubblers
vac guages etc

should be able to diy cell to run car (50%more mpg)
30-50quid

the more hho the engine uses the more necessary to
adjust the timing (retard)
also steel will rust much more eg exhaust  silencer  valves etc

im using plates but ss wire mesh is the optimum but very difficult to get

That video was good for pointers, I found another video when that one finished, it was a guy in the States offering the instruction to all the non Believers on how to build one, so I emailed him for the instructions Lol
Were did you get your ss from, the Boss said I had to leave the drum of the washing machine aloan
the drum might be good for the cold fusion one though