[jinky230]

guys  was wondering if anyone uses the omnipole 50l and 125l  trolley from omnipole, they look the business but are they ok for domestic

how is the weight  factor,build quality etc, any advice would be appreciated

jinky

[Paul Coleman]

guys  was wondering if anyone uses the omnipole 50l and 125l  trolley from omnipole, they look the business but are they ok for domestic

how is the weight  factor,build quality etc, any advice would be appreciated

jinky

I use the 50 litre "classic" trolley (with DI) and it seems fine to me.  Unfortunately, there is no hosereel attached to it - something that they have remedied in the trolley's most recent incarnation (perhaps I'll upgrade sometime).
Not sure about the 125 litre trolley though as I've never used it.  It may be that it is better to fill it after pulling it out of the van due to the weight.  I would do it that way anyway as my back plays upsometimes.  It may be better not to fill it completely if pulling it up gradients or steps (though the fitted hosereel could help out there).

[The Fox]

I use the Omnitrolly classic, great bit of kit; I have had no problems with it. Has far as the weight is concerned again no problems pushing it. Mind you I do not have to take it up and down many steps. I think it is best for working out of a van though; (I have tried out of a car and van) ever way you will need ramps to get it out if it is full . Wouldn’t try lifting it full

It’s all down to personal perception and what you expect, also your round, I think 50ltrs is the ideal size for domestic use, any bigger you may have problems with access and any less you might as well use a backpack.

Kevin

[Paul Coleman]

I use the Omnitrolly classic, great bit of kit; I have had no problems with it. Has far as the weight is concerned again no problems pushing it. Mind you I do not have to take it up and down many steps. I think it is best for working out of a van though; (I have tried out of a car and van) ever way you will need ramps to get it out if it is full . Wouldn’t try lifting it full

It’s all down to personal perception and what you expect, also your round, I think 50ltrs is the ideal size for domestic use, any bigger you may have problems with access and any less you might as well use a backpack.

Kevin

I don't have a weight problem with the 50 litre trolley though I always use a ramp in the van.  The good thing about a 125 litre trolley is that it can be used viably as a quasi van mount.

[lee_dewing]

hi jinky i am to looking at getting a trolley i like the look of the omnitrolley's but in my limited opinion i don't think it's best for me, i am domestic 100% and i don't like the idea of lifting trolley in and out of van, i know you can get ramps or lift trolley out empty then fill up but if not empty still pushing up ramps or lifting; having to keep re-filling would imagine a pain; you could fit a tank in van with a submersible pump and then fill omnitrolley from tank.
    I've made a decision to go for a freedom trolley from adrew MCcann, if i find his website i will post his details.
  the reason for this is cheap small pratical.
little trolley houses a 25ltr container you fill about 10 of these from your house.
 when trolley has emptied, take out and just slot in new one.
spoke to him yesterday £995 inc vat trolley pole brush ro or di system,(ro is 100 gallons per day(400ltrs). he does bigger ro systems. you just need to buy 25 ltr containers as he supplies 1; £8.25 each and also a tank at home to house water 2x200 rain butts or ibc tanks.

what does ibc stand for (independant built container?)

also i hav recently been on ionics wfp course £111 very good.
  sorry to waffle i think omnitrolleys are good but it depends on your budget as cost can soon mount up i think omnipoles are expensive but maybe you get what you pay for.
look at my recent post aquatrolley some guys have built own and will do for a fee.
all said omnitrolley is very pretty but i think freedom trolley looks professional for what started out as a diy system.
goodluck lee

[lee_dewing]

hi jinky i am to looking at getting a trolley i like the look of the omnitrolley's but in my limited opinion i don't think it's best for me, i am domestic 100% and i don't like the idea of lifting trolley in and out of van, i know you can get ramps or lift trolley out empty then fill up but if not empty still pushing up ramps or lifting; having to keep re-filling would imagine a pain; you could fit a tank in van with a submersible pump and then fill omnitrolley from tank.
    I've made a decision to go for a freedom trolley from adrew MCcann, if i find his website i will post his details.
  the reason for this is cheap small pratical.
little trolley houses a 25ltr container you fill about 10 of these from your house.
 when trolley has emptied, take out and just slot in new one.
spoke to him yesterday £995 inc vat trolley pole brush ro or di system,(ro is 100 gallons per day(400ltrs). he does bigger ro systems. you just need to buy 25 ltr containers as he supplies 1; £8.25 each and also a tank at home to house water 2x200 rain butts or ibc tanks.

what does ibc stand for (independant built container?)

also i hav recently been on ionics wfp course £111 very good.
  sorry to waffle i think omnitrolleys are good but it depends on your budget as cost can soon mount up i think omnipoles are expensive but maybe you get what you pay for.
look at my recent post aquatrolley some guys have built own and will do for a fee.
all said omnitrolley is very pretty but i think freedom trolley looks professional for what started out as a diy system.
goodluck lee

[The Fox]

I have been thinking about 125 Omnitrolly As a mini van mount I would not like to take it out of the van full though.

I use 125 to 150 litres of water a day (only a small round) and all my work is within 5 miles so I can go home to fill up again if I need more water. The trouble I have is I work on one estate were cars have no access.

Maybe the solution is using a backpack as well with a transfer pump to transfer water into the backpack when the hose will not reach.

That way you have a self-contained unit for the van or car and a backpack for access difficulties.
 
Kevin

[Andrew McCann]

Hi again Lee


IBC stands for "Intermediate bulk container".

The containers are £8.00 each.. including VAT and delivery. 


Cheers

Andrew

[The Fox]

The only problem I can see with 25 litre trolleys is the fact that you may only have enough water left in one container to clean ½  a house so you have a choice go back to change container when empty or put a full container on before you start. At the end of the day you will have containers with some water in and have to top up one to make a full container. Or constantly return to the car half way through a job to change containers.

With a 50 litre Omnitrolly you will have less filling to do during the day so less time wasted.

Kevin

[lee_dewing]

http://www.freedomwfp.co.uk
tel 01472 347519
do a search for freedom trolley on here alot of post
cheers lee

[lee_dewing]

thanks andrew;
 cheers for the chat i will be in touch. lee

[Andrew McCann]

Re the 25 ltr container "problem" Kevin.

We take 10 of them out for the days work. We normally use 200 ltrs per day so hardly ever have to "top-up" any containers during the day.

I have used the system now for about a year and all I know is that we are around 50% faster than when using ladders and a whole lot safer.

Our work is also almost all domestic. a real mixture of it.

Cheers

Andrew

[pjulk]

I use the omnitrolley classic and i think its a great piece of kit.

Lee Dewing Said -

i am domestic 100% and i don't like the idea of lifting trolley in and out of van, i know you can get ramps or lift trolley out empty then fill up but if not empty still pushing up ramps or lifting; having to keep re-filling would imagine a pain;

I am mostly domestic and use my trolley on everything all you need is a piece of plywood 3ft x 2ft approx
It take a few seconds to put that at the back of your van and pull your trolley out or push it in and its really easy.
As for filling it takes about 15 seconds a barrel just tip it right up.

I would not go for a smaller trolley myself as it would be a pain keep having to go back for water barrels.
I usually get 3 or 4 average sized semis done on one fill with the omnitrolley.

I am going to have to upgrade to the new omnitrolly 50ltr sometime as they have a hosereel attached and would make a good trolley a perfect trolley for me.

I have not tried andrews freedom trolley but a lot of people on here like it also.
So which ever trolley you choose im sure you would be happy with.

Paul

[Moderator David@stives]

My staff in there vehicle on doing tops and one doing bottoms will use over 500 litres a day just doing tops.

When i am out working on my own for a full day which is quite rare these days i can use up to 650 litres if not more at times and i do everything with it.

Dave

[The Fox]

My staff in there vehicle on doing tops and one doing bottoms will use over 500 litres a day just doing tops.

When i am out working on my own for a full day which is quite rare these days i can use up to 650 litres if not more at times and i do everything with it.

Dave

My working day consists of about 3 to 3 ½ hours that’s why I do not need a lot of water

[jinky230]

guys I have a couple of backpacks fitted to a sack trolley

we got tubing fitted to take the poles and hooks fitted to the sack trolley to take 30 metres of tubing hose for doing backs it is easy collected in your hands when you return to the fronts,I dont think buying a trolley thats takes 25 litres is the answer,only difference being instead of lifting the container out and placing a new one in you fill the backpack.

Trying to get away from this with the 125l omni trolley so you have a clear run at say 15-20 houses, we also have the autobrushes fitted to our poles to save water.

looks like horses for courses you either take the time at the start to fill the trolley or you fill constantly with containers, there has got to be an easy  way to keep water flowing to your brush, also dont fancy moving the vehicle every few houses--- gosh this is starting to sound like I dont like window cleaning, not really just looking to make life easier

jinky

jinky

[The Fox]

I see were your coming from, 125 ltr Omnitrolley would be good if you have 15 to 20 houses next to each other, just leave it on the pavement and use the hose then push it to the next house. Trouble with that, only one man can work it.

At the end of the day there is no ideal situation, you just have to buy to suit your round or build a round to suit your equipment.

Kevin

[jouk45]

saw this on shinners forum, going cheap, £50 ono i think



needs re-vamping. It needs a new pump, a better battery and a new on/off switch...and the wheel needs fixing. I could do it all myself and re-advertise it...but if anyone is interested...it's going cheap as it is at the moment...offers ?

[jinky230]

kev I do whole streets of new houses all together, only problem they use the side for wheelie bins kids toys etc, you recon mounting a tank in the trailer I have would be the best direction, as the houses are al in 2 rows facing each other, just thought the trailing houses would be a delemma

any advice would help

jinky

[JohnL]

question for Andrew  re Freedom Trolley


 -  are you left handed, as in your  pictures you seem to be pulling the trolley with your left hand? I would pull with my right hand, so is the pole holder transferrable?   

or have I got it all wrong!   

JohnL

[Paul Coleman]

saw this on shinners forum, going cheap, £50 ono i think



needs re-vamping. It needs a new pump, a better battery and a new on/off switch...and the wheel needs fixing. I could do it all myself and re-advertise it...but if anyone is interested...it's going cheap as it is at the moment...offers ?

Just for the record:-  I do have that type of trolley (same colour too) but mine is in one piece and not currently for sale   
Not sure who "Shinner" is but not to be confused with me "The Shiner".  Is Shinner related to Kneecapper by any chance?   

[jouk45]

dont know if i am allowed to put a link to the other forum  here,  its another window cleaning forum, they dont sell supplys or anything, just for chat,ect.

[The Fox]

I used a trailer and didn’t get on with it, parking was the main bug bear and reversing in cul-de-sacs also increase fuel costs and I did not like a lot of hose trailing.

I use my Omnitrolly. I have no problem with this. As far as access is concerned if you can walk down the side passage you can get a trolley down. If I was still using a van I would keep it but I am going to go back to using the car. I will miss the fact of having 50 litres and having to go back to the car more often.

I am starting to come round to the idea of a back pack with 125 litre tank in the car with a transfer pump to fill the back pack up quick. Also having it set up as a mini-van mount. I will not trail hoses across paths I think you are asking for trouble. If I am able to park in the drive then I can use the system as a mini van mount.

What ever system you use you will have problems. There are so many variables in domestics and always a reason that one method is better then the next then something will come along to turn it round and you will think S--- I should have got that instead.

I am looking at it from my view. I am not going to be expanding my round and I will be only working from my car. So my final set up will be the way I work all the time, I do not have to worry about fitting in with upgrades at a later date.

[jinky230]

good reply k only thing is we have backpacks and they are heavy on the back

so you end up putting them onto sack trolleys,I have a folding sack trolley and 2 standards, the folding sack trolley is good in princible but the arms that fold are light weight end up twisting, so you end up using standard trolleys.we developed a holder to take 2 containers for a trolley system but is slightly smaller for the backpack and 1 container so going to get the coachbuilders to developing a biger holder to fit the backpack and the spare container, this will help to a certain degree, so keep it in mind most people will put their backpacks onto trolleys, just wondering if there is enough space in your car for tank trolley and backpack.we dont even take our backpacks around backs now, we got hooks on the trolley and rap round 50 metre of 10mm cable to take us around the backs. domestic is such a hassle as you said to convert to wfp, so will keep looking to get the perfect answer

jinky

[pjulk]

dont know if i am allowed to put a link to the other forum  here,  its another window cleaning forum, they dont sell supplys or anything, just for chat,ect.

Jouk can you email me the link please.
paul@1stclasscleaning.co.uk

Thanks
          Paul

[Andrew McCann]

question for Andrew  re Freedom Trolley


 -  are you left handed, as in your  pictures you seem to be pulling the trolley with your left hand? I would pull with my right hand, so is the pole holder transferrable?   

or have I got it all wrong!   

JohnL

Nope I am right handed.

It's natural to use the left hand to pull the trolley for me. It leaves my right hand free for opening gates etc.

Cheers

Andrew

[Moderator David@stives]

Now its getting technical !!!!!!!

[brett walker]

I had a good look at the omnipole trolley at windex, very well made and professional and their sales team was excellent

I have the freedom trolley and use it everyday all day that also is an excellent piece of kit and put together with great thought and design.  I just use my backpack when i get hard to access areas

each to their own, all the trolleys on the market are the business and i am very impressed with some of the diy trolleys that the guys have made on this forum

Brett

[The Fox]

Jinky

Not enough room for both once you have hose reel, pump box and traditional kit. Also worried about damage to car with the trolley, Water leakage is not a big problem because I have water proof boot liner.

With the backpack I planned to fit it on a small trolley, Shall have to rethink this now.

 Maybe I should keep the trolley, getting the wife’s wheelchair in and out will probably cause more damage anyway.

[jinky230]

guys thought it out


imagine it now


standard sack trolley, cage at the bottom to hold  1 container and backpack

hooks on sack trolley to wrap around 30 metres of hose for backs

at the back of sack trolley each side foot length tubes to hold the poles
and small di resin canister in the centre tied to sack trolley at the back to top up when you come to houses with taps outside suppose this is ok for myself my tap water is only 54tds - but it has got to be an idea for not stopping

jinky

[JohnL]

Nope I am right handed.

It's natural to use the left hand to pull the trolley for me. It leaves my right hand free for opening gates etc.

Cheers

Andrew

ah , but is it transferable, because after 30 years of pulling  a golf trolley I cannot pull left handed - if you know what I mean                  later in the year i may need to know. 

JohnL

[david wood]

dont know if i am allowed to put a link to the other forum  here,  its another window cleaning forum, they dont sell supplys or anything, just for chat,ect.

neither do I, but here goes...

http://cotswoldcleaningandmaintenance.co.uk/shinersforum/index.php

[master cleaner]

i have got the new omnitrolley 50ltr and the 125ltr pictured above and to be honest i prefer the 125ltr trolley if you are working downhill which i sometimes do and you fill the trolley and do upstairs only it can last you more than 3 hours the battery on both trolleys will last you 15 hours which makes a fantastic difference , also i could not work with a trolley that didnt have a fitted hosereel ( my opinion only ) i think i have been spoiled with these trolleys they make window cleaning a dream.

i have also just bought a backpack to add another tool to the trade


thanx to omnipole for making life a lot easier ( no i am not getting commision it is just a big thank you from me )

gary

[jinky230]

Gary thanks for the posts and pics they are greatly appreciated


I noticed thet you said that the battery will give 3 hours on tops but will last for 15 hours, could you explain, also how is the trolley for pushing about with 125 lt
does the low gravity help, what do you do with your pole do you carry it in hand with the cable or can you park it like the freedom trolley when moving about

sorry about all the questions but might buy a few so spending a few bobs so would like to get it spot on

jinky

[Andrew McCann]

Hi Jinky

I think that he is saying that he can get 3 hours doing tops only from one refill of 125 ltrs.

The battery will last way more than that.

Hope this helps

Andrew

[jinky230]

Thanks andrew I guess thats what he was talking about after I wrote back

sometimes you can be too quick to reply.I think your trolley is a cracker as well and if I was in the market for one  25lt am sure it is your trolley I would purchase
but I do have backpacks on trolleys and I have a varitech box with pump and regulator which will go into the back of a kangoo with tank. , it just I am now looking for a bigger trolley system, maybe you could put some thought into the subject and build one.I see with the guys talking in the forum that your business is doing well, and I wish you all the best, nice to see equipment getting built with guys who use them everyday

jinky

[master cleaner]

Gary thanks for the posts and pics they are greatly appreciated


I noticed thet you said that the battery will give 3 hours on tops but will last for 15 hours, could you explain, also how is the trolley for pushing about with 125 lt
does the low gravity help, what do you do with your pole do you carry it in hand with the cable or can you park it like the freedom trolley when moving about

sorry about all the questions but might buy a few so spending a few bobs so would like to get it spot on

jinky

i would not pull the trolley uphill with 125ltr in it on the flat and downhill no problem i used to use this trolley out of the back of an astra estate , i had to take the handle off ( wing nuts ) but hopefully that could give you an idea of the size.
if you want exact measurements of the 125 or 50ltr trolley just ask and i will measure them for you

gary

[jinky230]

gary if it is not too much bother could you measure for me
I am hoping to use it as a static vehicle machine as well as mobility so the dimensions is important, as it is going into a kangoo estate sideways

you said it was too heavy going uphill are you talking about small gradients or really steep hills, most of my work is on level ground,

jinky