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[GQC] Tim

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Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« on: December 16, 2007, 12:44:42 am »
I've read somewhere on the forums, that someone had it done at a garage, and it's simply a matter of replacing the 600 model rear shocks for the 800 ones.

Is this true, has anyone some experience with this? Went to the local French car expert, and he said he never heard of anyone doing it, said it might take more then just the shocks. Although the 600 and 800 are identical.

Comments please. :)
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Russell Macdonald

Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 01:19:03 am »
Not sure where to go but vans getting converted often up rate the carrying weight.

Have you tryed Google & see what that comes up with?
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gary evans

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 06:28:14 am »
l looked into this  a while ago & was qouted £300+ just for the parts from the main dealer, brought brodex 250 instead & left it.

Gary
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 08:59:22 am »
Quote from: Macc on December 16, 2007, 01:19:03 am
Not sure where to go but vans getting converted often up rate the carrying weight.

Have you tryed Google & see what that comes up with?

Yea googled it to no end, can't find a thing.

Quote from: gary evans on December 16, 2007, 06:28:14 am
l looked into this  a while ago & was qouted £300+ just for the parts from the main dealer, brought brodex 250 instead & left it.

Gary

Do you have any idea what parts they listed?
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LWC

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 10:49:14 am »
£300??? surely can you not just get the shocks and springs??

i cant see anything more that would make a diff? but i dont know a great deal lol!
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LWC

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2007, 11:22:35 am »
i just rang halfords mate, it doesnt list different shocks for the 600 and 800, so they must be the same...but it does list a different coil spring for the the 800 to the 600.

in my opinion you could upgrade the springs and be done...but you need to check that i DO NOT KNOW

anyway, the springs would cost around £100, and if you fit them (health and saftey alert) be careful! me and my mate had a coil come off when we were unsrewing it, we both jumped on it lol...its couldve been worse. they go off like a loaded gun...im not being gay telling you this, its just i know what can happen  ;)
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2007, 12:39:07 pm »
Hm thanks LWC. I wouldn't fit them myself, just because of that.  ;D

Are you talking about the front springs, because the rear just has shocks, no springs.

The front shocks/springs has got to be different then, and not the rear, which is seriously weird, I'd think the most weight would be pressing down on the rear.
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LWC

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2007, 12:58:35 pm »
they must have springs dude...might not be on the shocks though...
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2007, 01:35:26 pm »
Quote from: easy clean on December 16, 2007, 12:48:37 pm
vans have leaf springs set up on the rear, you'll probably find that the 800 has an extra leaf to cope with the extra weight ;)

Leaf springs? Definitely not on the Berlingo/Partner. And if the springs are not on the shocks, I can't see any springs anywhere looking under the van.

Does the Berlingo not have something called a Torsion beam suspension? It sure looks like it? So it might be not the shocks that need to be uprated but the torsion bars themselves? Bigger diameter?
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LWC

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2007, 02:00:52 pm »
Quote from: easy clean on December 16, 2007, 01:02:13 pm
sorry lwc i didn't realise you wasn't replying to me ;)

no worries, and maybe tey do have a torsion bar like most peugeots do...im staying outta this one lol
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macmac

Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2007, 03:51:36 pm »
Just one tip
Any suspension modification could invalidate your insurance (read the small print) so you would have to notify your insurance company of any such mod. For this reason i would think they would require a professional statement for the said suspension modification. ;)

tony
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gsw

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2007, 04:07:59 pm »
i spoke to citroen about the exact same thing, official comment is it cant be done.

so i didn't!
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2007, 04:11:51 pm »
Quote from: gsw on December 16, 2007, 04:07:59 pm
i spoke to citroen about the exact same thing, official comment is it cant be done.

so i didn't!


It's interesting, because some dealers say they can. Well, I'm just going to call up the garage and see then, obviously it's not as simple as changing shocks or whatever.
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macmac

Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2007, 04:43:49 pm »
I know it's not the same van but when i enquired about the same thing with my kangoo i was told it would mean changing the whole rear axle along with all it's components.

tony
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2007, 05:24:54 pm »
Quote from: macmac on December 16, 2007, 04:43:49 pm
I know it's not the same van but when i enquired about the same thing with my kangoo i was told it would mean changing the whole rear axle along with all it's components.

tony

Yea, with the Berlingo it might be same thing. Really a shame I can't find the original posting. Somebody had it done for under £300.
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Elginn

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2007, 07:52:30 pm »
If you go into a caravan dealership, you can buy universal suspension upgraders and fit them yourself in less than half hour.
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pure-water

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2007, 08:33:33 pm »
Re – suspension upgrade.


Front
You need to replace springs, shocks and anti roll bar.
New parts at Citroen will be about £200 + vat   Can be got cheaper.

Rear
Shocks, anti roll bar and torsion bars (these go horizontally across the axle)
Anti roll bars and torsion bars are bigger diameters.
New parts at Citroen will be about £300 + vat   Can be got cheaper.

Labour, your cheapest mechanic £150-300

VOSA approved inspection.
Extra insurance premium.
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2007, 08:47:08 pm »
Damn, that is a lot of money. That's half the price of my van easily! Should have gotten one when I bought one.

How about the rear shocks? I thought somebody here said they were the same price?
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pure-water

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2007, 10:14:57 pm »
Cheap option if you can, would be to swap (unbolt the whole back axle assembly) the parts from an 800 Van at a breakers yard.
800's are very hard to find. But there must be some out there.
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[GQC] Tim

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Re: Citroen Berlingo, modifying 600 model to 800.
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2007, 10:24:15 pm »
Hmm, that might be a very good idea.

Could you please tell me where you got this info from? And is it really necessary to change the front shocks and bar aswell? I'm assuming yes?
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