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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 04:23:17 pm

Title: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
For anyone that knew me in my former guise on here as 'Pingu many years back you'll know that I can be either very ocd about knowing everything about my business as per when I first started to the other extreme where for the past 2 years I have just lost total intrest and just treated everything like a job I just turn up and do.

So with a new lease upon life and a re-gained interest.... I am now rebuilding both my van ( delivery system) and my static production side i.e membrane in the shed  ;D

Got lots of new toys coming.... Exceed tubeless setup for all my poles, Exceed all weather hose (100meter), more univalves, elec reel...and the list just goes on - Havn't really invested too much in the business recently so decided to fix whats broke and improve where I can.

So.... Plenty people heating water with immersion heaters.... Do you just fill a tank and heat it? do you actually know to the nearest 50litres how much you really need per day. 

How much does your system make/waste per day when its 22deg opposed to when its say 2deg?

What exactly is your good to waste ratio at different temp, pressures on your membrane?

Would adding a booster pump actually make a difference to your production costs i.e 4040 HF5 @50psi opposed to say boosted to 85psi and if you do this would an HF4 be better?.... how much would this cost or save you.

Does adding an extra set of jets to your brush cost you more than its actually worth? I'm not having a pop Nathan ;)

Would using one of those standalone gas heaters cheaper in the long run opposed to say heating water with electricity?

Is an electric reel really worth it to you..... does it make you super faster ? or just easier than picking up the reel lifting out of the van (for those that do) and hand reeling in 40, 60, 100 meters of hose on a tiny spindle or would making the spindle larger actually make that process easier/quicker?

Would not having to open your van doors make you quicker on a day, week, month or yearly basis by simply routing your reel through the van floor via a hawse/fairlead/rollers/slip & slid type thingy and through your bumper and having your poles ontop of the van in a carrier be better?

We all spend money on our business's and do our accounts, here in The Netherlands we start paying VAT 21% at week1 day 1.... so 21% straight to the government (yes there is tax relief)....

How much more profitable could we all be if we knew much more about our business's and then made adjustments.

Even something as simple as knowing how much spits out the end the brush per minute and how long each job takes would allow us to fill our tanks based on fact and this one item may save us money each year as we are not carrying around excess weight or heating it for no-good reason.

So I suppose after this long ramble my question is what else can we do to avoid unnecessary costs over a year?

WFP is a simple process, make good enough water, stick it in the van, pump it up and out of the pole/brush, place on window, scrub, rinse job done....simples

Cheers
Dave.




Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: paul alan on July 24, 2017, 04:32:15 pm
Good questions, be keeping an eye.......
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 04:56:46 pm
Dave we have guys on here heating 600lts of water on demand for a £1 a day we have other guys heating 500ltrs of water
to 60degrees in a few hours using 1kw immersion heater.
Why don't we  have this tech installed in our homes as it would save us all a fortune. lol.
I think the only way you going to get an answer on this one is to try it yourself.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 04:59:52 pm
Yeah this is my intention ... to get a better handle on what my business does well and does very badly....  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on July 24, 2017, 05:34:13 pm
Didn't some Irish guy rip you off years ago on here  pingu? He owed you money and suddenly left without trace?
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 06:04:17 pm
Yeah JM123.... Selling brushes... yeah that still gets me, hate being ripped off....  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: ֍Winp®oClean֍ on July 24, 2017, 06:18:55 pm
Yeah JM123.... Selling brushes... yeah that still gets me, hate being ripped off....  ;D

That's him!! ;D ;D
I remember it rather annoyed you.  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: nathankaye on July 24, 2017, 06:25:23 pm
Because on here you get conflicting information or slated for trying new approaches its best to enjoy the experimental stages.
Some are old school and supposedly after trying everything their happy with cold water, 2 jets and a nice brush and manual reels. Or just cant be bothered anymore with all the faff.

On the other hand, i take what is said with a pinch of salt most times, lol depending what stress im under (external related not work). Concluding that only I know what work//houses im cleaning. What i most find stubborn on windows and what areas I work and so the only person who is going to know whats best for me, is me.
Ive gone from 13yrs of trad and being as efficient as I could (lol climbing ladders before they reach the window or mopping a window with one hand whilst blading another with the other hand) to taking a new learning curve with wfp for last 2 yrs.

I want to be ad efficient and more than what I was on trad tools. So ive gone from a diy set up in van (450gpd set up in van), to setting RO in house feeding into a 1000ltr ibc tank.  From using hybrid poles to carbon, from light weight brushes to heavy dual trim brushes. From cold water to using fish tank heaters (getting upto 40 degrees) to now using 27inch 1kw heater. ( someone cant do the maths, as ive said many a times that most nights its on from either 8 or 9pm till 8am at) from the tank being baffled by its divide to stickingba number of balls in untill i was happy with it.
From using a gardiners quick valve gooseneck to staying with my tap valve. From dragging the hose on the floor to using hip holsters. From manually winding the hose in or picking reel in n out the van to keeping it mounted in the van and putting a motor to it.
From finding what brush i like to then experimenting with jets or spray bars until I have in my opinion the best set up I possibly can.

Have i wasted some money in the process, yes!  Have i learnt more about my job/wfp in the process? Yes!!
If i took everyones word on here would i be where im at now??  NO  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 06:38:17 pm
Yeah you have to try... I remember a few years back the snake oil being sold was Methanol/Ethanol.... suddenly if you put a teaspoon of it in your tank the window had a dazzling sparkle aking to moonlight and cleaning was easier, better, quicker..... etc, etc.... I sat and tried in sub zero nights and days with percentage from 2 to 75.... and the truth was.... its great in enclosed systems to stop freezing but when exposed to air it just evaporate but in the process you get headaches, stinging eyes .... So yeah you have to try and see what work best.... Don't stop evolving Nathan...  ;)
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: elite mike on July 24, 2017, 06:49:21 pm
Welcome back Dave , are you still drinking your own urine ?  ;)   ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: dazmond on July 24, 2017, 06:57:33 pm
i keep it simple these days.thankfully i dont need an RO as tap tds is 029 so DI only.

1.hot water was a waste of money and didnt speed me up.(faffing about thats not needed.)only took me 2 years to realise it!
2.a  top quality fixed manual reel is virtually effortless to reel in.(mines a coxreel)
3.xtreme poles are a waste of money for a main pole,SLX is more robust and hardwearing.
4.no need for cutting holes in van floor for hoses.i just pull the hose from the back of the van(and can pull round either side of the van)
5.uni valve is the best water control device for me.
6.my tank frame is bolted to the eyelet holes in the van with angle iron so easy to remove tank if needed.
7.leasing a new van(and a price rise to pay for it)rather than relying on old vans that kept letting me down has been a smart move.tax deductible too.
8.little things like always making a packed lunch and flask for work cuts down on wasted time during my working day.plus i have a large bottle to pee in when i get caught short! ;D
9.invoices,chits etc are always printed/wrote out the evening before.
10.round software has been brilliant for organising work,chasing debts and generally keeping things running smoothly.i use cleaner planner and have my work/debtlist on my smartphone.
11.englebert strauss rough/tough workwear is top quality!i wish id got some earlier!even though its expensive i think its worth it .
12.i have 2 lots of wet weather gear/fleeces etc for those cold wet winter days so i can swap at lunchtime.it makes my day a bit more bearable! ;D.
13.rectus 26 connectors are a lot more durable than the 21s and last a lot longer.
14.additives like vision slow me down and offer no benefit whatsoever.
15 having a clean tidy organised van makes me happy to go to work.
16.having a top spec van means heated drivers seat for cold winter days and air con for hot summer ones plus bluetooth for phone so i can speak/call when on the move.heated windscreen for frosty morning and parking sensors which are fantastic for reversing in tight spaces.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 07:54:14 pm
Yeah you have to try... I remember a few years back the snake oil being sold was Methanol/Ethanol.... suddenly if you put a teaspoon of it in your tank the window had a dazzling sparkle aking to moonlight and cleaning was easier, better, quicker..... etc, etc.... I sat and tried in sub zero nights and days with percentage from 2 to 75.... and the truth was.... its great in enclosed systems to stop freezing but when exposed to air it just evaporate but in the process you get headaches, stinging eyes .... So yeah you have to try and see what work best.... Don't stop evolving Nathan...  ;)

We have all been there Dave I have a garage full of useless junk but like your example it was always to fix a problem,
for instance a Dragonfly kit was my biggest waste of money but I only bought it as I was looking for a way to do high interior windows and lack of experience made me think I needed to spray the glass instead of the pad.
Nathan was knocking out 30 to 35 properties a day with ease using around 10ltrs of cold water per property and then realised he needed a brick loaded up with jets and hot water as the windows he cleans are covered in hard to remove crud, and he wonders why he gets slated.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: nathankaye on July 24, 2017, 08:17:11 pm
Oh ive also learnt who the negative ones are on here, the quick to have a jibe and the ones who offer good advice are..........

So because many of my peers who we're shiners used me as a bench mark to combine speed/efficient cleaning with quality that seems to pee some people off!!
Now im on wfp and tried every different way possible to get as good/better than i was on trad and again people dont like that because in their tiny heads they dont think it can be done!! But as i said in my first post, these ignorant people dont know my background, my customers nor the houses i clean. 
So because i can clean x amount of houses in a day, i choose to then refine how i go about doing that all with the intent of making it even more easier.   Ones call it a brick but im not an old #art and can manage the weight and actually prefer this to a very easy light weight brush that feels like a plastic toy brush (in reference to the weight). Ive gone from 2 to 4 and now 6 jets as i like the water coverage (dont wish to use fan jets) which in my opinion speeds up performance.
Haha in my opinion even tho ones may have been wfp for a good number of years, does not mean they have been doing it right nor tried different options along the way. But again thats their choice, i dont knock it as i dont know their work.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 08:34:52 pm
Oh ive also learnt who the negative ones are on here, the quick to have a jibe and the ones who offer good advice are..........

So because many of my peers who we're shiners used me as a bench mark to combine speed/efficient cleaning with quality that seems to pee some people off!!
Now im on wfp and tried every different way possible to get as good/better than i was on trad and again people dont like that because in their tiny heads they dont think it can be done!! But as i said in my first post, these ignorant people dont know my background, my customers nor the houses i clean. 
So because i can clean x amount of houses in a day, i choose to then refine how i go about doing that all with the intent of making it even more easier.   Ones call it a brick but im not an old #art and can manage the weight and actually prefer this to a very easy light weight brush that feels like a plastic toy brush (in reference to the weight). Ive gone from 2 to 4 and now 6 jets as i like the water coverage (dont wish to use fan jets) which in my opinion speeds up performance.
Haha in my opinion even tho ones may have been wfp for a good number of years, does not mean they have been doing it right nor tried different options along the way. But again thats their choice, i dont knock it as i dont know their work.

Telling somebody that they will be able to heat a 500ltr tank to 60degrees with 1kw heater isn't good advice its just nonsense that will waste that persons time and money, running a 1kw heater from 8pm to 8am will raise the water temp by 20degrees tops, less with poor insulation and in winter conditions and that a fact.
You need to learn the difference between somebody being negative and somebody correcting a stupid piece of advise.

Added, and putting 6 jets on a heavy brush is just silly, what are you trying to push off the glass, clay ?,I don't need to know what's on the glass your cleaning to know that.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: davids3511 on July 24, 2017, 08:46:25 pm
i keep it simple these days.thankfully i dont need an RO as tap tds is 029 so DI only.

1.hot water was a waste of money and didnt speed me up.(faffing about thats not needed.)only took me 2 years to realise it!
This I disagree with and Daz only changed his mind because he nearly blew himself and his new van up. Hot speeds up removing snail trails, fly/bee crap and bird crap. It also improves hose managment as the hoses are soft and pliable.
2.a  top quality fixed manual reel is virtually effortless to reel in.(mines a coxreel)
Yes, and find a way to reel in with a drill or a premade electric reel
3.xtreme poles are a waste of money for a main pole,SLX is more robust and hardwearing.
Not any more, the X3 xtreem is a big improvement. Yes, you'll have to be a bit careful with it, don't bang windows shut but I wouldn't be without it. A compromise is to replace the top 3 sections when they do with SLX sections to keep price of replacements sensible.
4.no need for cutting holes in van floor for hoses.i just pull the hose from the back of the van(and can pull round either side of the van)Agree
5.uni valve is the best water control device for me.
No idea
6.my tank frame is bolted to the eyelet holes in the van with angle iron so easy to remove tank if needed.
Mine are a mixture of ratchet straps and bolted through floor with spreader plates.
7.leasing a new van(and a price rise to pay for it)rather than relying on old vans that kept letting me down has been a smart move.tax deductible too.
Can't agree with that, a decent second hand van will still look after you without you paying through the nose for it. Obviously once it becomes unreliable, get rid.
8.little things like always making a packed lunch and flask for work cuts down on wasted time during my working day.plus i have a large bottle to pee in when i get caught short! ;D
Going to start doing this
9.invoices,chits etc are always printed/wrote out the evening before.
Going to do this too
10.round software has been brilliant for organising work,chasing debts and generally keeping things running smoothly.i use cleaner planner and have my work/debtlist on my smartphone.
Couldn't manage without George
11.englebert strauss rough/tough workwear is top quality!i wish id got some earlier!even though its expensive i think its worth it .Aldi trousers and Russell poloshirts for me
12.i have 2 lots of wet weather gear/fleeces etc for those cold wet winter days so i can swap at lunchtime.it makes my day a bit more bearable! ;D.
This is a geat idea
13.rectus 26 connectors are a lot more durable than the 21s and last a lot longer.
Dont reel in too fast with a rectus 26, it'll knock your teeth out
14.additives like vision slow me down and offer no benefit whatsoever.
No idea, never indulged
15 having a clean tidy organised van makes me happy to go to work.
Yes, but I can just about see over the rubbish in mine. When I cant see out anymore, I tidy it up.
16.having a top spec van means heated drivers seat for cold winter days and air con for hot summer ones plus bluetooth for phone so i can speak/call when on the move.heated windscreen for frosty morning and parking sensors which are fantastic for reversing in tight spaces.
Yeah, no. It's not going to make you any more money so it's not necessary.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: robbo333 on July 24, 2017, 08:48:14 pm
I have bought an endless amount of window cleaning stuff in search for my window cleaning nirvana. I've wasted loads of money to get to where I am now. (And to be honest I don't think that's very far  ;D)
And I think that about sums it up.
We are all different, we work differently and have different aspirations. So what works for one, will not necessarily work for another. Just keep going and find out what works for you.
In all fairness, I think this is where this forum excels; it may not give all the answers but it will surely point you in the right direction.  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 24, 2017, 08:49:41 pm
its a great thing this forum, we are for the most part 1 man bands with little to no contact with others in our profession which is why the sharing we do here day in day out hels us all.... personally I work in The Netherlands and my only banter with other shinesrs is you guys...sometimes you, yes you talk absolute tat  :) but other times  you say something I agree with and the world is all better again.....

None of us get it right all the time and thats how we learn........  our idea's, our failures, our triumphs  and our sharing of them here make for a better place to hangout.  So thanks for all your input guys, even you!
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 08:53:48 pm
its a great thing this forum, we are for the most part 1 man bands with little to no contact with others in our profession which is why the sharing we do here day in day out hels us all.... personally I work in The Netherlands and my only banter with other shinesrs is you guys...sometimes you, yes you talk absolute tat  :) but other times  you say something I agree with and the world is all better again.....

None of us get it right all the time and thats how we learn........  our idea's, our failures, our triumphs  and our sharing of them here make for a better place for us all here.... so thanks for all your input guys

Is it true that working from ladders is actually banned in the Netherlands including inside work ?
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: robbo333 on July 24, 2017, 09:33:54 pm
i keep it simple these days.thankfully i dont need an RO as tap tds is 029 so DI only.

1.hot water was a waste of money and didnt speed me up.(faffing about thats not needed.)only took me 2 years to realise it!
Hot water is brilliant, I have it with 4 cups of tea before I leave the house.

2.a  top quality fixed manual reel is virtually effortless to reel in.(mines a coxreel)
I bet you say that to all the laydeees.

3.xtreme poles are a waste of money for a main pole,SLX is more robust and hardwearing.
That's cause you keep breaking yours. You're a very naughty boy!

4.no need for cutting holes in van floor for hoses.i just pull the hose from the back of the van(and can pull round either side of the van)
Bugger!

5.uni valve is the best water control device for me.
Do you ever get that thing when you're in the Gents, ready to go, and someone stands next to you. It always puts me off!

6.my tank frame is bolted to the eyelet holes in the van with angle iron so easy to remove tank if needed.
This one I like.

7.leasing a new van(and a price rise to pay for it)rather than relying on old vans that kept letting me down has been a smart move.tax deductible too.
I've just bought a cheap Toyota Hiace, let's hope it's as good as they say.

8.little things like always making a packed lunch and flask for work cuts down on wasted time during my working day.plus i have a large bottle to pee in when i get caught short! ;D
I've got a little short thing that likes to pee, bloody CCTV.

9.invoices,chits etc are always printed/wrote out the evening before.
I have enough trouble texting the night before...OPEN YOUR FOOOOOKING GATE TOMORROW!!!!

10.round software has been brilliant for organising work,chasing debts and generally keeping things running smoothly.i use cleaner planner and have my work/debtlist on my smartphone.
[/color]I have no idea what shape my software is.

11.englebert strauss rough/tough workwear is top quality!i wish id got some earlier!even though its expensive i think its worth it
Great singer, didn't know he made clothes.

12.i have 2 lots of wet weather gear/fleeces etc for those cold wet winter days so i can swap at lunchtime.it makes my day a bit more bearable! ;D.
I have bra and knickers for a Sunday!


13.rectus 26 connectors are a lot more durable than the 21s and last a lot longer.
OK seriously, who in their right mind invented a brilliant way of connecting hoses and then named it after something you go to the Doctors for... when he says 'bend over, i'll get the gloves'?

14.additives like vision slow me down and offer no benefit whatsoever.
Additives like 3 pints of cider at luchtime slow me down.

15 having a clean tidy organised van makes me happy to go to work.
You could stick Melinda Messenger in a bikini in the back of my van and I still wouldn't be happy going to work.

16.having a top spec van means heated drivers seat for cold winter days and air con for hot summer ones plus bluetooth for phone so i can speak/call when on the move.heated windscreen for frosty morning and parking sensors which are fantastic for reversing in tight spaces.
Having an old cheap pooter means you get priority when cutting through tight gaps.


Sorry Daz, luv you really!  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: robbo333 on July 24, 2017, 09:56:41 pm
PS I lied about no. 15  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: davids3511 on July 24, 2017, 09:59:18 pm
PS I lied about no. 15  ;D
Youre showing your age with your choice of van companion. I fully agree with you though.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: dazmond on July 24, 2017, 10:06:44 pm
linda lusardi!NOW IM SHOWING MY AGE! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: nathankaye on July 24, 2017, 10:13:31 pm
Oh ive also learnt who the negative ones are on here, the quick to have a jibe and the ones who offer good advice are..........

So because many of my peers who we're shiners used me as a bench mark to combine speed/efficient cleaning with quality that seems to pee some people off!!
Now im on wfp and tried every different way possible to get as good/better than i was on trad and again people dont like that because in their tiny heads they dont think it can be done!! But as i said in my first post, these ignorant people dont know my background, my customers nor the houses i clean. 
So because i can clean x amount of houses in a day, i choose to then refine how i go about doing that all with the intent of making it even more easier.   Ones call it a brick but im not an old #art and can manage the weight and actually prefer this to a very easy light weight brush that feels like a plastic toy brush (in reference to the weight). Ive gone from 2 to 4 and now 6 jets as i like the water coverage (dont wish to use fan jets) which in my opinion speeds up performance.
Haha in my opinion even tho ones may have been wfp for a good number of years, does not mean they have been doing it right nor tried different options along the way. But again thats their choice, i dont knock it as i dont know their work.

Telling somebody that they will be able to heat a 500ltr tank to 60degrees with 1kw heater isn't good advice its just nonsense that will waste that persons time and money, running a 1kw heater from 8pm to 8am will raise the water temp by 20degrees tops, less with poor insulation and in winter conditions and that a fact.
You need to learn the difference between somebody being negative and somebody correcting a stupid piece of advise.

Added, and putting 6 jets on a heavy brush is just silly, what are you trying to push off the glass, clay ?,I don't need to know what's on the glass your cleaning to know that.

Im sorry for ranting but this repeating of one self is really pi??ing me off now!!

1.......i thought i had purchased a 2kw element. A fact i have shared on here alot!
2........ It came to light its a 1kw and again i shared that news.
3......  your suggesting that im taking a  day off just to heat my tank of water because how else have a done videos and/or photos with the proof!!
4.........ive also said different heating start temps which some old fart cant get his head around!!
5......... due to different starting temp of water, i run the heater for less hours or more depending what im wanting to achieve.
6.........if people dont know how to heat water and moan about its cost than put your prices up to cover it.  If not use cold, which again ive never slated anyone for using cold! Quite frankly i dont give a .......... im sharing my findings of actual findings

7.  I have used 2 jets, 4 jets and now 6 jets.
      Not to blast dirt or anything off but to aid in rinsing on with the brush and gives a greater coverage of water.  Again my findings for my work.

Please any disgruntlememts please track me down at the show, lets have a pint and argue our cases or simply have a pint and talk about something more fun!!

Final point, did you ever do trad work???
If you did, did you start with a 14inc mop n blade??  I did and swore by them!  Why, because i was bloody fast with it, it applied right amount of pressure across its channel and did a great job!  But then i went onto the 18inch.....amazing!  It covered the window with less energy and did a good job, was it needed?  NO because i managed perfectly fine with the smaller mop n blade. But did i use less energy YES.....its the same concept with a bigger brush and more jets and you wanna argue because it weighs a fraction more than your ickle light weight brush and whatever combination of jets you have.


Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: robbo333 on July 24, 2017, 10:48:19 pm
Linda Lusardi! That's when women were women and I was one of the youngest page 3 readers. I think even at that young age I was destined to be a windie. Strong wrists bode well in this game  ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 11:15:45 pm
Oh ive also learnt who the negative ones are on here, the quick to have a jibe and the ones who offer good advice are..........

So because many of my peers who we're shiners used me as a bench mark to combine speed/efficient cleaning with quality that seems to pee some people off!!
Now im on wfp and tried every different way possible to get as good/better than i was on trad and again people dont like that because in their tiny heads they dont think it can be done!! But as i said in my first post, these ignorant people dont know my background, my customers nor the houses i clean. 
So because i can clean x amount of houses in a day, i choose to then refine how i go about doing that all with the intent of making it even more easier.   Ones call it a brick but im not an old #art and can manage the weight and actually prefer this to a very easy light weight brush that feels like a plastic toy brush (in reference to the weight). Ive gone from 2 to 4 and now 6 jets as i like the water coverage (dont wish to use fan jets) which in my opinion speeds up performance.
Haha in my opinion even tho ones may have been wfp for a good number of years, does not mean they have been doing it right nor tried different options along the way. But again thats their choice, i dont knock it as i dont know their work.

Telling somebody that they will be able to heat a 500ltr tank to 60degrees with 1kw heater isn't good advice its just nonsense that will waste that persons time and money, running a 1kw heater from 8pm to 8am will raise the water temp by 20degrees tops, less with poor insulation and in winter conditions and that a fact.
You need to learn the difference between somebody being negative and somebody correcting a stupid piece of advise.

Added, and putting 6 jets on a heavy brush is just silly, what are you trying to push off the glass, clay ?,I don't need to know what's on the glass your cleaning to know that.

Im sorry for ranting but this repeating of one self is really pi??ing me off now!!

1.......i thought i had purchased a 2kw element. A fact i have shared on here alot!
2........ It came to light its a 1kw and again i shared that news.
3......  your suggesting that im taking a  day off just to heat my tank of water because how else have a done videos and/or photos with the proof!!
4.........ive also said different heating start temps which some old fart cant get his head around!!
5......... due to different starting temp of water, i run the heater for less hours or more depending what im wanting to achieve.
6.........if people dont know how to heat water and moan about its cost than put your prices up to cover it.  If not use cold, which again ive never slated anyone for using cold! Quite frankly i dont give a .......... im sharing my findings of actual findings

7.  I have used 2 jets, 4 jets and now 6 jets.
      Not to blast dirt or anything off but to aid in rinsing on with the brush and gives a greater coverage of water.  Again my findings for my work.

Please any disgruntlememts please track me down at the show, lets have a pint and argue our cases or simply have a pint and talk about something more fun!!

Final point, did you ever do trad work???
If you did, did you start with a 14inc mop n blade??  I did and swore by them!  Why, because i was bloody fast with it, it applied right amount of pressure across its channel and did a great job!  But then i went onto the 18inch.....amazing!  It covered the window with less energy and did a good job, was it needed?  NO because i managed perfectly fine with the smaller mop n blade. But did i use less energy YES.....its the same concept with a bigger brush and more jets and you wanna argue because it weighs a fraction more than your ickle light weight brush and whatever combination of jets you have.

Nathan stop digging yourself into a deeper hole and answer  these questions.
Will a 1kw heater raise the temp of 500ltrs of water more than 20degrees from any stating temp in 12 hours yes or no ?
From a starting temp of 10degrees which would have been your winter starting temp how long did it take to get your water
to 60degrees using your 1kw heater ?
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: nathankaye on July 24, 2017, 11:37:26 pm
Already assuming my starting temp....

My name is nathan, its a picture of me above my posts. My company name is NKServices and my youtube channel is of the same name. Im an open book and all these questions have been answered.
Im going to the wfp show in september, im driving my van with my name  on.
Come find me.......im keen to have a pint or maybe a carvery 😂😂 or i might be selling some fish tank heaters that i dont use anymore so i can have a pudding as well.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 24, 2017, 11:54:56 pm
Already assuming my starting temp....

My name is nathan, its a picture of me above my posts. My company name is NKServices and my youtube channel is of the same name. Im an open book and all these questions have been answered.
Im going to the wfp show in september, im driving my van with my name  on.
Come find me.......im keen to have a pint or maybe a carvery 😂😂 or i might be selling some fish tank heaters that i dont use anymore so i can have a pudding as well.

Didn't think you would answer, wont be at the show but would have gladly had a pint and a bit of friendly banter with you, would have even asked one of the hot system sellers to show you why your heater couldn't possibly be 1kw.
Enjoy your day out.

Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: robert mitchell on July 25, 2017, 12:29:34 am
Already assuming my starting temp....

My name is nathan, its a picture of me above my posts. My company name is NKServices and my youtube channel is of the same name. Im an open book and all these questions have been answered.
Im going to the wfp show in september, im driving my van with my name  on.
Come find me.......im keen to have a pint or maybe a carvery 😂😂 or i might be selling some fish tank heaters that i dont use anymore so i can have a pudding as well.

To raise it by even 30c would take nearly 24 hours with a 1kw immersion.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dave Anderson on July 25, 2017, 08:20:37 am
>> Dry Clean...Plenty of ladder workers about.... Tend to be the Turk, Bulgarian, Polish teams of window cleaners.... Intresting fact there are still a few window cleaners in places like Amsterdam, Rotterdam that still use handcarts or bicycles adapted to carry loads (loads of mums use them here) called 'bakfiets'....
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: dazmond on July 25, 2017, 08:27:12 am
>> Dry Clean...Plenty of ladder workers about.... Tend to be the Turk, Bulgarian, Polish teams of window cleaners.... Intresting fact there are still a few window cleaners in places like Amsterdam, Rotterdam that still use handcarts or bicycles adapted to carry loads (loads of mums use them here) called 'bakfiets'....

those carts look great dave!(if  all your work  was on your doorstep).simple life.no van or wfp.very low overheads. ;D
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Dry Clean on July 25, 2017, 08:30:37 am
>> Dry Clean...Plenty of ladder workers about.... Tend to be the Turk, Bulgarian, Polish teams of window cleaners.... Intresting fact there are still a few window cleaners in places like Amsterdam, Rotterdam that still use handcarts or bicycles adapted to carry loads (loads of mums use them here) called 'bakfiets'....

Cheers Dave, was told years ago by an equipment seller that the Netherlands was very strict on things like working from ladders to the point that you couldn't even go higher than four steps on inside work.
Had a feeling it was bull.
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: Shrek on July 25, 2017, 08:33:00 am
>> Dry Clean...Plenty of ladder workers about.... Tend to be the Turk, Bulgarian, Polish teams of window cleaners.... Intresting fact there are still a few window cleaners in places like Amsterdam, Rotterdam that still use handcarts or bicycles adapted to carry loads (loads of mums use them here) called 'bakfiets'....

That is surprising, I would of thought that the red light district would want clean windows?
Title: Re: What does it all cost?
Post by: dazmond on July 25, 2017, 08:33:56 am
on topic there is nothing left to make my working day easier/hassle free now dave.its all in place.im like a well oiled machine! ;D