Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Blast Away on January 05, 2015, 01:34:31 pm
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F9 Efflorescence and Calcium Removal: Pressure Wa…: http://youtu.be/yTbv8vrY78g
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnuPeXrwFEU
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I don't get this post! Is it a wind up? Nothing to do with us! We work a lot more efficiently, cleaner and faster than that lot ;D ;D ;D
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I don't get this post! Is it a wind up? Nothing to do with us! We work a lot more efficiently, cleaner and faster than that lot ;D ;D ;D
No wind up mate haha.
In all seriousness though as you import from the US, could you speak with Craig Harrison from Front 9 and bring in F9 Barc. I will buy it no worries. We need that product over here Kev.
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I don't get this post! Is it a wind up? Nothing to do with us! We work a lot more efficiently, cleaner and faster than that lot ;D ;D ;D
No wind up mate haha.
In all seriousness though as you import from the US, could you speak with Craig Harrison from Front 9 and bring in F9 Barc. I will buy it no worries. We need that product over here Kev.
Id buy it too. There are a few chems i would buy from the states, so if this goes any further let me know. They have some good degreasers etc too over there.
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OK so why is it so good? Who has tried it? Who has it? It is just a buffered acid! We already have two different ones which do the same job as in the U Tube vid
Kev
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Noone has tried it. You cant get it here.
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So for nearly 5 Years I have been telling you all about this method using either Aqua Mix and now Miracle Products buffered acids and how well they work! You lot watch a Video using my method but with a different product and you all want the product????
Unfortunately I am not in a position to categorically state that it is no better or indeed worse than Miracle having never tried it or compared it against Miracle. However, I will e mail the R&D Department at Miracle today because it is almost certain that they will have tried and tested it and had it independently tested.
The other main issue is you all say you want it but you have no idea of cost??? Yet when I tell you all the benefits of using buffered acids you all shout back and say Builders Brick Acid is only a Tenner! F*ck the consequences ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
Kev
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So for nearly 5 Years I have been telling you all about this method using either Aqua Mix and now Miracle Products buffered acids and how well they work! You lot watch a Video using my method but with a different product and you all want the product????
Unfortunately I am not in a position to categorically state that it is no better or indeed worse than Miracle having never tried it or compared it against Miracle. However, I will e mail the R&D Department at Miracle today because it is almost certain that they will have tried and tested it and had it independently tested.
The other main issue is you all say you want it but you have no idea of cost??? Yet when I tell you all the benefits of using buffered acids you all shout back and say Builders Brick Acid is only a Tenner! F*ck the consequences ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
Kev
Whats the Ph of your buffered acid ?
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So for nearly 5 Years I have been telling you all about this method using either Aqua Mix and now Miracle Products buffered acids and how well they work! You lot watch a Video using my method but with a different product and you all want the product????
Unfortunately I am not in a position to categorically state that it is no better or indeed worse than Miracle having never tried it or compared it against Miracle. However, I will e mail the R&D Department at Miracle today because it is almost certain that they will have tried and tested it and had it independently tested.
The other main issue is you all say you want it but you have no idea of cost??? Yet when I tell you all the benefits of using buffered acids you all shout back and say Builders Brick Acid is only a Tenner! F*ck the consequences ::)roll ::)roll ::)roll
Kev
Whats the Ph of your buffered acid ?
Chris
Why you want or need to know this baffles me?
The way it works has nothing to do with the pH it is the buffering that is the clever bit. However, in order to appease you the pH (That's little p and big H not big P and little h ;D) is between 0.5-2.
Below is the MSDS in the first link and the product description in the second link.
http://miraclesealants.com/msds/c_hdac.pdf
http://miraclesealants.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=63&Itemid=225
Just in case you want to replicate it in your garden shed with your mate in 5 minutes for fourpence :D :D :D
Kev
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Whats the "buffered " bit?
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Whats the "buffered " bit?
OK! Don't forget you asked
A buffer is a special solution that stops massive changes in pH levels. Every buffer that is made has a certain buffer capacity, and buffer range. The buffer capacity is the amount of acid or base that can be added before the pH begins to change significantly. It can be also defined as the quantity of strong acid or base that must be added to change the pH of one liter of solution by one pH unit. The buffer range is the pH range where a buffer effectively neutralizes added acids and bases, while maintaining a relatively constant pH.
1. Introduction
2. Example
3. Example 2
4. Buffers in the Human Body
5. References
6. Contributors
Introduction
The equation for pH also shows why pH does not change by much in buffers.
Ka=[H+][A−][HA]
pH=pKa+log[A−][HA]
Where,
A− is the concentration of the conjugate base
HA is the concentration of the acid
When the ratio between the conjugate base/ acid is equal to 1, the pH = pKa. If the ratio between the two is 0.10, the pH drops by 1 unit from pKa since log (0.10) = -1. If a ratio increases to a value of 10, then the pH increases by 1 unit since log (10) = 1. The buffer capacity has a range of about 2. This means when a buffer is created, the pH can be changed by -1 by acid or +1 by base before the pH begins to change substantially. After the addition of base to raise the pH by 1 or more, most of the conjugate acid will have been depleted to try to maintain a certain pH, so the pH will be free to increase faster without the restraint of the conjugate acid. The same goes for the addition of acid, once the conjugate base has been used up, the pH will drop faster since most of the conjugate base has been used up.
Weak Acid.jpg
Example
What is the effect on the pH of adding 0.006 mol HCL to 0.3L of a buffer solution that is 0.250M HC2H3O2 and 0.560 M NaC2H3O2? pKa= 4.74
pH=4.74+log0.5600.250=4.74+0.35=5.09
C2H3O−2+H3O+⇌HC2H3O2+H2O
Calculate the starting amount of C2H3O2-
0.300L×0.560M=0.168molC2H3O−2
Calculate the starting amount of HC2H3O2
0.300L×0.250M=0.075molHC2H3O2
C2H3O2- H3O- HC2H3O2
Original Buffer 0.168 mol 0.075 mol
Add 0.006 mol
Change -0.006 mol -0.006 mol +0.006 mol
Final Amount 0.162 mol 0.081 mol
Now calculate the new concentrations of C2H3O2- and HC2H3O2:
0.162mol0.300L=0.540MC2H3O−2
0.081mol0.300L=0.540MHC2H3O2
Using the new concentrations, we can calculate the new pH:
pH=4.74+log0.5400.270=4.74+0.30=5.04
Calculate the pH change:
pHfinal−pHinitial=5.04−5.09=−0.05
Therefore, the pH dropped by 0.05 pH units.
Example 2
What is the effect on the pH of adding 0.006 mol NaOH to 0.3L of a buffer solution that is 0.250M HC2H3O2 and 0.560 M NaC2H3O2? pKa= 4.74
pH=4.74+log0.5600.250=4.74+0.35=5.09
HC2H3O2+OH−⇌C2H3O−2+H2O
Calculate the starting amount of HC2H3O2
0.300L×0.250M=0.075molHC2H3O2
Calculate the starting amount of C2H3O2-
0.300L×0.560M=0.168molC2H3O−2
HC2H3O2 OH- C2H3O2-
Original Buffer 0.075 mol 0.168 mol
Add 0.006 mol
Change -0.006 mol -0.006 mol +0.006 mol
Final Amount 0.069 mol 0.174 mol
Now calculate the new concentrations of HC2H3O2 and C2H3O2-:
0.069mol0.300L=0.230MHC2H3O2
0.174mol0.300L=0.580MC2H3O−2
Using the new concentrations, we can calculate the new pH:
pH=4.74+log0.5800.230=4.74+0.40=5.14
Calculate the pH change:
pHfinal−pHinitial=5.14−5.09=+0.05
Therefore, the pH increased by 0.05 pH units.
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GOD I'M GOOD ;D ;D ;D ;D
DID YOU GET ALL THAT ??? ::)roll
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I use a chemical called F90 powder it is buffered, basically it maintains its Ph at different dilution, so of I mix it at 100-it will read Ph 10 if I mix it at 500-1 it will still have a ph of 10.
I also use F90 liquid which is not buffered, it's important to know that I can alter the Ph level to clean surfaces that are Ph sensitive... Eg if I clean wool I can reduce the Ph to 8 from a more concentrated dilution which would read 11.5
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I use a chemical called F90 powder it is buffered, basically it maintains its Ph at different dilution, so of I mix it at 100-it will read Ph 10 if I mix it at 500-1 it will still have a ph of 10.
I also use F90 liquid which is not buffered, it's important to know that I can alter the Ph level to clean surfaces that are Ph sensitive... Eg if I clean wool I can reduce the Ph to 8 from a more concentrated dilution which would read 11.5
Mike
But that's too simple an explanation! This is Chris Scott (Southports Famous Witch Doctor and Alchemist) we are dealing with here and he doesn't do simple ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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Kev, not intending to use your method or that of in the video.
The connection to the video and what I'm suggestion about F9 BARC is that of Craig Harrison whom I have already spoken to about importing F9 BARC over here, I recommended he speaks with you as I know you import. That was months ago.
The Americans go crazy over this for it's uses for rust removal and a common problem there of battery acid staining on concrete.
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Kevin...thats cheating trying to baffle me ;D. You don't really know do you ?
So it alters the Ph ( or it maintains the Ph) of the brick acid at different dilutions?
F9 Barc is that phosphoric acid?
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Chris
Yes mate "I know nuffin"
That was nuffin to do with pH it was the story of Red Riding Hood in Algebra and Chemical Symbols ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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Kevin...thats cheating trying to baffle me ;D. You don't really know do you ?
So it alters the Ph ( or it maintains the Ph) of the brick acid at different dilutions?
F9 Barc is that phosphoric acid?
It controls the pH level you numpty
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Kevin...thats cheating trying to baffle me ;D. You don't really know do you ?
So it alters the Ph ( or it maintains the Ph) of the brick acid at different dilutions?
F9 Barc is that phosphoric acid?
It controls the pH level you numpty
Why would I need to maintain the ph level of brick acid?
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Chris you don't need to know all that stuff he said. Bufferin is then fings they av to stop a train goin to far ::)roll
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Chris you don't need to know all that stuff he said. Bufferin is then fings they av to stop a train goin to far ::)roll
Carl
Don't confuse him any further by bringing trains into it! He'll start asking questions on the hydraulic tension of the buffers next! Leave him alone he's got enough to contend with on Wikipaedia tonite when he goes to bed with his pal sorry pad ;D ;D ;D
Kev
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Why would I need to maintain the ph level of brick acid?
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Cos if its not level it runs straight down the drain. I could never get my head round this buffering thing when I did the training at Chessington. Magic really :o
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Cos if its not level it runs straight down the drain. I could never get my head round this buffering thing when I did the training at Chessington. Magic really :o
;D
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The msds for F9 only has two components shown. The third is hidden.
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The msds for F9 only has two components shown. The third is hidden.
Possibly non hazardous or minute quantities...whats in it?
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Its not that, i think they leave the third ingredient out because they dont want people to know whats in it. It says they will provide the extra ingredient(s) to medical staff in the case of an emergency.
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Won't come into the UK on that basis then
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if it's in it ...it's on it ,for the uk.
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Miracle are in the process of testing it against their product!
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I don't get this post! Is it a wind up? Nothing to do with us! We work a lot more efficiently, cleaner and faster than that lot ;D ;D ;D
No wind up mate haha.
In all seriousness though as you import from the US, could you speak with Craig Harrison from Front 9 and bring in F9 Barc. I will buy it no worries. We need that product over here Kev.
Just to let you all know - it has arrived in the UK https://softwash-systems.com/shop/softwash-chemicals/f9-barc/ (https://softwash-systems.com/shop/softwash-chemicals/f9-barc/)
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I don't get this post! Is it a wind up? Nothing to do with us! We work a lot more efficiently, cleaner and faster than that lot ;D ;D ;D
No wind up mate haha.
In all seriousness though as you import from the US, could you speak with Craig Harrison from Front 9 and bring in F9 Barc. I will buy it no worries. We need that product over here Kev.
Just to let you all know - it has arrived in the UK https://softwash-systems.com/shop/softwash-chemicals/f9-barc/ (https://softwash-systems.com/shop/softwash-chemicals/f9-barc/)
I have had one for over a year