combat1

  • Posts: 887
Which first?
« on: March 24, 2019, 06:18:00 pm »
Very rarely do insides, but got a big house tomorrow in and out.
Which do you do first? Insides? While the outsides are dry? Or outsides first.
Thanks.

zesty

  • Posts: 2341
Re: Which first?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2019, 06:40:22 pm »
Insides first for me, means the customer can’t see what they come up like while I beat a hasty retreat after doing the outsides. The pure water drying time gives me time to leg it.

On a serious note, doesn’t really matter, but whatever is dirtiest, do them first.




Stoots

  • Posts: 6058
Re: Which first?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2019, 06:50:22 pm »
Insides first for me, means the customer can’t see what they come up like while I beat a hasty retreat after doing the outsides. The pure water drying gives me time to leg it.

On a serious note, doesn’t really matter, but whatever is dirtiest, do them first.

if its a one off and they pay cash im of a similar mindset, grab it and run. If they are paying online probably best to do outsides first that way you can see if youve missed owt when doing inside.

That said, i only did one inside clean last year and i feckin hated it, avoid insides like the plague.

dazmond

  • Posts: 23598
Re: Which first?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2019, 07:07:34 pm »
Very rarely do insides, but got a big house tomorrow in and out.
Which do you do first? Insides? While the outsides are dry? Or outsides first.
Thanks.

I used to do insides first.....get it out of the way as customers need to be home before tackling the outsides.....

I never do insides anymore once I lost my last inside job a few years ago......I wouldn't take her back on again if she phoned me up again....not interested.... ;)
price higher/work harder!

zesty

  • Posts: 2341
Re: Which first?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2019, 07:22:19 pm »
Insides first for me, means the customer can’t see what they come up like while I beat a hasty retreat after doing the outsides. The pure water drying gives me time to leg it.

On a serious note, doesn’t really matter, but whatever is dirtiest, do them first.

if its a one off and they pay cash im of a similar mindset, grab it and run. If they are paying online probably best to do outsides first that way you can see if youve missed owt when doing inside.

That said, i only did one inside clean last year and i feckin hated it, avoid insides like the plague.

Same mate, if they pay on the day, that’s how I do it. If online, then I’m thinking outside first.


Phil J

  • Posts: 630
Re: Which first?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2019, 07:58:50 pm »
Outsides first, move inside then you can see if any of the exterior windows need re-cleaning. Charge accordingly and you won't need to bodge it.

alank

  • Posts: 640
Re: Which first?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2019, 08:09:45 pm »
If I'm working on my own on smaller jobs outside first then put wfp gear away have a coffee then do insides. If it's a larger job like a school one starts inside the same time as outsides are being cleaned whoever is wfp outside will be finished first, they put wfp gear away then give a hand to complete the inside. The insides will be cleaned by doing any trad pole work first then work from the farthest rooms towards the entrance and all finished at the same time and leave.

combat1

  • Posts: 887
Re: Which first?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2019, 08:18:12 pm »
thanks all,  hate inside jobs but new house for a good customer so going to do it.
On that basis going to do insides then outsides and leg it!
March outs are the worst for me, have to do not only in and out but steam clean all the reveals as well.
Always try to just get an outside clean and tell them its cheaper for them to do the reveals and insides.

alank

  • Posts: 640
Re: Which first?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2019, 08:19:54 pm »
As Phil says charge accordingly got one booked in for April £100 outside £300 for outside and inside if they don't want to pay for the extra time etc I wouldn't bother coz they can be a bit of a ballache  ;D

Dry Clean

  • Posts: 8539
Re: Which first?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2019, 08:44:16 pm »
If its a glass and frame/opener clean then do the insides first, this way you wont have to worry about dirty water hitting or running down the outside glass.

dazmond

  • Posts: 23598
Re: Which first?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2019, 09:29:38 pm »
thanks all,  hate inside jobs but new house for a good customer so going to do it.
On that basis going to do insides then outsides and leg it!
March outs are the worst for me, have to do not only in and out but steam clean all the reveals as well.
Always try to just get an outside clean and tell them its cheaper for them to do the reveals and insides.

If u hate them as much as me just say you don't clean insides anymore.....otherwise they'll ask u again in 6 months time or whatever.....

I stand firm and say no....then i never have to do a job I hate again....less hassle/arranging=happier working day for me...
price higher/work harder!

Johnny B

  • Posts: 2385
Re: Which first?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2019, 09:52:55 pm »
I do quite a lot of inside windows. Being 100% trad means little difference in terms of technique, so it's the same as doing an extra house when I get them. When I do, it's outsides first.

John
Being diplomatic is being able to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.

nathankaye

  • Posts: 5366
Re: Which first?
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2019, 10:58:42 pm »
For me, it depends on the day. If its wet and cold then sure, i would love to clean the insides.  If they are a good customer, again I wouldnt have a problem. However if its a so/so customer and I know they wont clear the window sill etc before i get to each room then im leaning more to saying no.

If its a good customer and i have a rapport with them, then i would let them know the price which also includes a brew as well.

Normally I would clean the outsides first.
facebook.com/1NKServices
1NKServices.co.uk

G Griffin

  • Posts: 40745
Re: Which first?
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2019, 01:30:28 am »
Insides first for me, means the customer can’t see what they come up like while I beat a hasty retreat after doing the outsides. The pure water drying time gives me time to leg it.

On a serious note, doesn’t really matter, but whatever is dirtiest, do them first.
Me, too.
It's usually the chambermaid.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

Soupy

  • Posts: 19536
Re: Which first?
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2019, 07:12:14 am »
I always do outside first.
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it - George Orwell

Shrek

  • Posts: 3931
Re: Which first?
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2019, 07:19:31 am »
Inside first then outside and leg it

Ooooooog

  • Posts: 1083
Re: Which first?
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2019, 07:42:53 am »
I always get water on the carpet and stuff.

lal

  • Posts: 1110
Re: Which first?
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2019, 08:51:57 am »

  I clean quite a few inside residential house's a month, in my experience the outsides are generally worse dirt wise,
  So i always clean the outsides first WFP thoroughly, that way it makes doing the insides easier, if you've done the
  outsides properly, anything left you can see most of the time will be on the inside if that makes any sense.  ;D
 
  Larry

NWH

  • Posts: 16952
Re: Which first?
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2019, 09:37:37 am »
I don’t do a huge amount of insides but if I do I’ll normally do outside first to look at the quality so if I have to go back I know where I need to go,if you don’t  offer insides you’re only half a WCleaner.
Some of my best payers are inside and outers.

Stoots

  • Posts: 6058
Re: Which first?
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2019, 12:18:40 pm »
I despise insides, they are horrible.

I sweat like a pig, partly because it's usually hot but also because im a nervous wreck dripping water everywhere, trying not to break stuff etc. Not to mention customers eyes burning into to the back of your head. It's horrible, I can't wait to get out, it's claustrophobic and feel like I'm going to have a panic attack lol.

I did one last year begrudgingly and I soon wished I hadn't.

I only once did insides in a commercial job and that was horrible too. Had to sign in and do all health and safety stuff. Then clean windows in offices full of people working dripping water all over there paper work etc. I had to wait till meeting had finished etc in various rooms. I did it once and never went back.

Residential outside only is all I'm interested in. I wouldn't say never but it would have to be an extremely good rate to get me to do insides again.

cleaniac

Re: Which first?
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2019, 12:47:46 pm »
I do insides and out no problems.

Do the outsides first, that way its easy to tell where the grime is on the insides.

Last year just before christmas, i was asked to clean some office windows, inside only in London, charged £400 for half a day, used squirty bottles, microfiber and scrim, packed into a backpack and went in on the train. They were so happy, they have rebooked me for this christmas.

Some of these comments are hilarious, about doing insides first and then run before they complain...jees guys. What tds are you cleaning at, bet its not 000!

I have never had aby problems doing insides. Never.

Now conservatory roofs?? Id happily rip it down free of charge..  :D


John Mart

Re: Which first?
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 01:58:39 pm »
Outside first and then correct any problems identified when doing the insides.

nathankaye

  • Posts: 5366
Re: Which first?
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 02:20:39 pm »
Im sure the guys who say do the inside first and then leg it, are only joking mark  ;D ;D

I find it funny tho if your called arthur for doing half a job or half a window cleaner  ::)roll ::)roll
Do you personnally advertise that you do the insides?   Its as and when a client might ask and then you have a choice to do so or not and that can depend on numerous factors. 
But same as many have said, clean the outside first and that way it either confirms you are doing a good job with the wfp or if you need to work on something.
facebook.com/1NKServices
1NKServices.co.uk

zesty

  • Posts: 2341
Re: Which first?
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 03:03:06 pm »
Mark, it was joke my friend.

Of course we don’t leg it off, we drive off quickly 😜

nathankaye

  • Posts: 5366
Re: Which first?
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2019, 03:33:15 pm »
Mark, it was joke my friend.

Of course we don’t leg it off, we drive off quickly 😜

Precisely!   This is where the electric reel comes into its own 😂😂
facebook.com/1NKServices
1NKServices.co.uk

dazmond

  • Posts: 23598
Re: Which first?
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 05:54:20 pm »
if a customer is insistent i just tell them my insurance doesnt cover inside work..... :D
price higher/work harder!

chris turner

  • Posts: 1488
Re: Which first?
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 06:17:33 pm »
I do insides and out no problems.

Do the outsides first, that way its easy to tell where the grime is on the insides.

Last year just before christmas, i was asked to clean some office windows, inside only in London, charged £400 for half a day, used squirty bottles, microfiber and scrim, packed into a backpack and went in on the train. They were so happy, they have rebooked me for this christmas.

Some of these comments are hilarious, about doing insides first and then run before they complain...jees guys. What tds are you cleaning at, bet its not 000!

I have never had aby problems doing insides. Never.

Now conservatory roofs?? Id happily rip it down free of charge..  :D

Why is it you think that just cuz your tds is 0 you will get perfect results every time?
I have cleaned with water with a tds of 30 ( by accident) with perfect results.

I know a guy who always makes sure his tds is 0 yet is always complaining he gets spotting. He's even tried vision to reduce the spotting. Seeing him working and it was immediately clear why he was getting spotting. He was trying to go to quick, missing sections of the glass, not cleaning the top frame properly and dirty water was dripping everywhere from the top.

Proper technique is way more important then 0 tds IMO.

P @ F

  • Posts: 6312
Re: Which first?
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 07:05:22 pm »
Not done insides of anything for over 5 years now , in fact not done anything other than outer windows , and its going to stay that way !
I'm so lazy I'm getting tired of it !