[The Great One]

Hi Len

With letting ageants you would just put it into your Price so maybe they would.

It certainly is a bugger when you forget something and you have to go up 6+ flights of steps

Regards

Martin

[Len Gribble]

The letting agents/Prop Dev I do work for know my price as they have been done before; they also know that I will charge extra above one flight if I have to use a portable.

Yes they did grumble at first, my reply to them who is actually paying for my service, you the owner or the moving out tenant, it always turns out to be the former tenant well if they would like to meet me there and assist me in carrying equipment up/down there would be no surcharge.  I also charge some times when I use the tm.

I have a flip saying how many dose it take to Tango well you have answered my question you carry it up. This may seem harsh to some but I’m in business to make money not to spend time in hospital if one can get in.

You take care

Len

[The Great One]

Hi

I concur.

Sometimes as you know they do question prices, it's as if it is their own cash! although they always get grief form all angles.

In fact i picked up one excellent client because the last company got too greedy and their prices could no longer be justified.

Enter me

Regards

Martin

[Len Gribble]

Martin

One benefit I have found the owner before going on secondment had there carpets and or upholstery cleaned by me then insist to the agent that when the tenant leaves it is only done by me, writing into contract, some have taken the cheap option and hired a machine and come unstuck, twice this year I have BR the carpets and once on a suite.

Len

[Mark Betts]

Martin

Doesnt matter what EXTRACTION machine you use you still have to fill it with water  

Mark

[The Great One]

Hi Mark

Not with mine you don't, i am not HWE!

After taking my course with Prochem last year I decided against HWE, far too much messing around for me.

for the last 30+ years HWe has been the machine of choice, is that because it IS the best or the companies say it IS the best. Let us not forget how much money said companies have invested in the HWE business.

As an anology...

The MMR jab is proported to be the best way to protect your child but few people know that doctors get paid £60+ for each one they give! Can they give a professional opinion or are they financially driven?

Is it the same for HWE, are the companies being professional or is it financial, as lets face it they do have a lot of money invested to say HWE is the absolute best clean, anything else is just maintenance they claim.

Is it?

No one system is the be and end all, they all have their flaws. I for one feel that the reason is financial.

Thoughts...?

Regards

Martin

[House Angels]

The largest carpet manufacturere in the world recommends HWE for cleaning carpets!

Terry

[House Angels]

Oh sorry Shaw Industries

Before anyone asks!!

[The Great One]

Hi

Great!

But I wonder if they have a vested financial interest?

Regards

Martin

[House Angels]

Martin

What are you suggesting???

Do you think they would advocate something without research?

Do you think they own Prochem?

I think that you should surrender this argument gracefully

Have a nice weekend all

Tel

[Musicman]

Or perhaps House Angels has a vested interest! Check out the web-site - says it all really.

I'm with you Martin, whilst HWE is amongst our range of methods we find that the low moisture systems offer a greater range of benefits - and provide as deep, if not deeper, a clean as a HWE system.

Good luck with WB by the way.

[The Great One]

Hi

thanks for that musicman, waterless brighton has got off to a slowish start but it is only the 1st week...

Houseangel...

I am not suggesting anything really just trying to get people to think a little deeper is all. How much is the HWE market worth?

How much do these companies have invested in the HWE market?

Just because a big multi-million pound company says something is so doesn't mean it is.

The health supplement industry is full of companies making fortunes the same way.

E.G. 'B6 increases testosterone' so certain companies make fortunes.

Actual documented fact...

'B6 increases testosterone... in menopausal women'.

They just missed abit out is all. I am not saying that companies who market HWE operate the same way but just to again state, just because a company says it is so doesn't make it so.

Just think a little deeper, HWE has been the mainstay for 30+ years, technology have moved on.

Regards

Martin

[Ian Gourlay]

What is wrong with HWE.

Would you wash your cloths using a low moisture system

With Tubo Dryers etc carpets are virtually dry when cleaner leaves.


Not saying anything wrong with other system.

Regretably Martin we not sure what you are using so we cannot  compare.

[Musicman]

Would you wash your cloths using a low moisture system

You never heard of dry cleaners?

[The Great One]

Hi

Ian, I didn't say anything was wrong with HWE, just saying that it is peoples 1st choice.

This may be that it is because it is the best thing since sliced bread

or...

Is it because people just believe it is the best?

All I am saying is for people to look a little deeper and not to just spend £000's just because the course they went on advocate HWE because it is the mainstay of their business.

Do you see what I am getting at?

We all know that no one system is the absolute be and end all, they all have their flaws (even my system).

This is the same reasoning for anything in life. A multi-national will say that product X is the best but of course they have a vested interest.

E.G.
A well known soap powder maker has a new version of their product, even better than their other one. Are they saying the other one is rubbish? and if so why did they try and sell it for years?

Or is it that they have a better technology now than the other product they have been selling for 30+ years?


Hmmm...


Regards

Martin

[shaun_pearson]

cmon then martin, tell us as about your system so we can talk about it. you are talking like weve all missed some breakthrough in the industry and you are right in there, one step ahead of all of us hwe users. whats the big secret? why wont you share it? if you are worried that we will all rush out and jump on the bandwagon, rest assured that wont happen.

[Ian Gourlay]

Martin,

What I will agree with you about is when soneone is thinking of joining The Carpet Cleaning industry a lot of Phschological preasure is  applied to convince them HWE is best.

When perhaps just dipping toe in the water there might be less costly systems avaiable.


However I firmly believe HWE is the best way to clean carpets


It just makes logical sense to me.

However if it was not for drying times I might have cosidered the hands and knees method used by Safeclean ( And I want to keep my knne caps) many years ago when I atarted.  On bad bits I use it.

[Mark Betts]

Hi Martin

I wasnt inferring you used HWE was just saying that all HWE machines need filling with water.

On another note, whose pads are you using for your machine ?  I am assuming you must be using an OP machine and not an inferior bonnet system  

Are you getting them from Steve Hayward?

And how long are they lasting.

Thanks

Mark

[Len Gribble]

Andy

Just catching up with threads as been in the states last week Hicksville actually Crossville TN, but learnt a lot from cc their, yes the LM systems have benefits but to say they provide as deep if not deeper clean as hwe that I question, went to LM road show a few month ago the owner/md said I know what system I would use on a pub and it was not his!

I know the system you use and the only thing I personally could not get used too was going to the right and yes the carpet was cleaned, if Martin uses this hope he doesn’t use this system in a car not a lot of room.

Too cap it all LM systems are for floor work only were as HWE is diverse unless do it by hand?

Martin as you say, 1st week they will be converted new enterprise customers think! I wish you all the best.

Len

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