[Tony Edwards]

Did the following to this pool area but results are still not what i wanted:

1. Pressure wash full pressure,hardly touched it
2. Hypo 3-1 left 30 mins,same again
3. Hypo 2-1 left an hour, made a tiny difference
4. Hypo 50/50 left an hour,slight improvement
5. Hypo neat left 2 hours, better result but still marked

Client was well pleased but I was very disappointed with the results.

Any advice  please guys what I did wrong or should have done.

Thanks

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[Rob_Mac]

From your perspective Tony what is the problem?

Rob

[trevor perry]

How old was the Hypo you was using

[Tony Edwards]

Rob

Just still badly marked after all that work. Can it be improved ?

Hi trevor,

hypo was from a very reputable source and used on the day of deliver, believe me it was fresh !

[Rob_Mac]

What's the PSI & Flow rate of the machine used?

Rob

[Rob_Mac]

Did you do it with a FSC or a turbo?

Roob

[Tony Edwards]

Rob


200 bar 15lpm and a turbo tried a fsc but results were rubbish

Would you be happy with that result ? How would you have improved it ?

cheers

[chris scott]

Nothing would make that look good ...it's just a crap job.

[Rob_Mac]

I can't really see the problem. Have you left a load of black spot.

I have hardly ever used chemicals and there has been only a couple of times where I felt like you do - could have done better.

Like your photo it was because there was overhanging trees, possibly an area that held damp, not getting the sun at all.

Sometimes 15LPM is just not enough oomph mate. The lads who use chemical will be able to say better than me.

Looks ok and the main thing is that the customer was happy.

Improving the result - maybe that particular set of circumstances it wasn't able to be improved.

You have done the hypo, you have used the turbo nozzle after trying the FSC, with what you have possibly can't do anymore.

Go over it again, let the hypo dwell more?

Rob

[Tony Edwards]

Rob

Yes client was well pleased, just i am so fussy and thought I could get it perfect !

Sometimes I have to accept whatever you do there is no perfect end solution

On the upside client gave me another 2 weeks of work jet washing on this house ! £££££££

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

If the client is happy and you get paid you cant ask for any more!

I did one yesterday similar to that and couldnt get all the black out of it either but like you the customer was happy and got a nice tip!

Are you going back to point the gaps? Nice little add on and nice and easy on york stone.  

[chris scott]

If the client is happy and you get paid you cant ask for any more!

I did one yesterday similar to that and couldnt get all the black out of it either but like you the customer was happy and got a nice tip!

Are you going back to point the gaps? Nice little add on and nice and easy on york stone.  

Even easier on badly laid rotting Indian sandstone.

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Indian stone is quite easy as well but york is defo the easyist. 

[Neil Jones]

How long does it take to point a 25m2 area? How much would you charge? It's not for me but be interested to know may to pass the work on to someone local and take commission.

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Tony, what was the outside temp when you put the hypo down. Hypo will not be effective in the cold and/or keep the surface damp . Ed

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

How long does it take to point a 25m2 area? How much would you charge? It's not for me but be interested to know may to pass the work on to someone local and take commission.

Depends on the paving, size of gaps, does it need grinding out first, it would probably be better finding someone local who wants the work then agree day rates.
I try and do 2 or 3 small pointing jobs in a day, one mix in the morning for the day. I like to do pointing on a Friday because I need a lie in the next day!

[Tony Edwards]

Tony, what was the outside temp when you put the hypo down. Hypo will not be effective in the cold and/or keep the surface damp .

Ed

Was a warm day and yes surface was pre wet and kept wet

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Tony , what was the percentage strenth of your Hypo ? Ed

[chris scott]

It's got nothing to do with flow rates, dwell times or hypo %, or the outside temperature in outer mongolia! ........ it's a crap job with the wrong surface for that type of area.

This is basic stuff that as a "cleaner" you should be assessing when looking at the job....along with water supplies ,drainage etc.

The sandstone never drys out and is "rotting" hence the black thats internally stained the stone.
 Who the f*** lays block round a swimming pool....tiles or concrete.
Look at the state of the pool....they need regular shock chlorine treatment when in such surroundings.
Which 3 year old laid the sandstone patio...worst job I have ever seen. Look at the slab and joint sizes ... they cant even get the top right. Let alone plan the subbase ,drainage and surface choice.

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Chris
If you we assessing that job what would be your advise to the customer and what would you have done differentially? Do you think you would of acheived a better result?

[BDCS]

That needs regular cleaning - see you soon ! Forget what chris says, thats a perfect job as it goes green, it gets cleaned, the customers happy and the cleaner gets paid 

[Aqua Power Solutions]

We are to clean Chris not tell them how crap it has been built. This surface may not have been cleaned for xxx amount years so with regular maintenance cleans it will get better. Pressure , dwell times , hypo percentage , temperture all do play an important part to achieve the goal.

I have no doubt that this will get cleaner with regular maintenance.

My own patio was worst than this . Now it is perfect with a little perseverance.

Accept ,  that on this job it has to fall within the budget for both parties . Ed

[Roger Oakley]

The surface/stone look's more like Yorkstone then Indian Sandstone from what I can see on the photos.
Agree with some of what Chris say's, poorly pointed, uneven gaps etc. block paving around swimming pools, I know a pain we have a couple we do, why anybody has block paving as a patio or in the rear garden at all baffles me.

[chris scott]

Chris
If you we assessing that job what would be your advise to the customer and what would you have done differentially? Do you think you would of acheived a better result?

I would tell them it needs cleaning 3 times a year to maintain the natural beauty of the fine carefully selected surfaces the contractor has used.

[BDCS]

Chris
If you we assessing that job what would be your advise to the customer and what would you have done differentially? Do you think you would of acheived a better result?

I would tell them it needs cleaning 3 times a year to maintain the natural beauty of the fine carefully selected surfaces the contractor has used.

Glad to see your picking up the business side of things after all this time 

[Tony Edwards]

Tony , what was the percentage strenth of your Hypo ? Ed

Ed was 15% hypo

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Tony, your hypo is fine then if fresh. If you are doing other work on site then just pre wet and spray on . When was it last cleaned if ever ? Ed 

[Tony Edwards]

Ed

The house is 400 years old and I think was cleaned then !

I pre wet and eventually used neat hypo twice !

Pita job but well paid and extra work gained. Been there a week all ready

[Aqua Power Solutions]

Tony , did this one for a customer . She was really happy with my attention to detail and i am now on property no 5 . Don't know how many she owns but i'm not complaining !
Sometimes it pays off to go that extra mile  , but not always   

[Tony Edwards]

Ed

Nice house !  My job was owned by Rupert grint from harry potter and been empty for 2 years