George Systems

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New Version of George software
« on: August 03, 2003, 11:48:25 am »
Hi Guys


We just uploaded a new version (V3.56) to our website.

It has 3 new Job Frequencies requested by our Users (Last xxxDay of the Month, Twice a Month 1st and 3rd Week and Twice a Month 2nd and 4th Week) plus a number of internal enhancements.

There is also a smarter automated backup routine and the ability to disable it (in System/Settings) if you prefer to do a backup every time you use George.

For those of you using PocketGeorge there is now new version (V1.40) plus a standalone configuration program which will allow you to transfer different WorkLists and DebtLists to different Palms (so you can give your guys a Palm each with just their own work on it and collect all their data at the end of the day with the press of a single button) or just select which lists you want to transfer to your Palm if you are only using one. Please remember to follow the upgrade procedure described on our site when upgrading PocketGeorge.


Paul Sanders
George Systems
http://www.georgesystems.co.uk

MJCleaning

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George Software
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2004, 10:32:10 pm »
Ok so I have taken the first step in ridding myself of pen and paper by downloading the trial George package. Can someone familiar with using this give me some pointers as where to start!!.
Do you have to have round on Excel first or do you put all details directly on to software? Help Please.

Thanks
 

WavieDavie

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Re: George Software
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2004, 01:42:07 am »
Try . . . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GeorgeSupport/ that'll get through quicker and you'll get replies straight from Paul Sanders - cut out the middle men!
You're a Scottish window-cleaner? Licensed or not, get yourself along to www.slwcn.org right now !

Davie Park
Dalzell Window Cleaning Service - Edinburgh www.windowscleaner.co.uk

George Systems

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Re: George Software
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2004, 10:22:05 am »
Hi

It's best to contact me direct on our "support@" eMail address.

You don't need to enter anything into Excel (unless you want to of course) - just put the Job details into George and away you go ...

Paul

MJCleaning

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Re: George Software
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2004, 10:29:52 pm »
Ta very much for help!

clear glass

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Re: George Software
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2004, 07:33:50 pm »
Hi All

I use George it is excellent and certainly makes life easier - stay with it and you will see the benefits!

gaza

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Re: George Software
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2004, 06:33:02 pm »
WHOS BLOODY GEORGE? I WANT TO EMPLOY HIM,IF HE KNOWS IT ALL,JUST LIKE MY SONS
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

Craig Wilson

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Re: George Software
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 10:13:06 pm »
I've started using the George trial pack too and I'm well impressed with it.  :)
Wilson's Window Cleaning Services

Central

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Re: George Software
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2004, 11:28:14 pm »
Ive been using it for about 12 months and found it a great investment, saves a load of time especiualy if you get a palm and get pocket george - also looks professional to the customers

Ian Rochester

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Re: George Software
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2004, 11:42:14 pm »
Had a look at the George package and would like to use it in PDA version, but how does it work when you have more than one vehicle out cleaning at the same time, will it download everything as normal or does one overwrite the other?

Or am I just not grasping the concept!!!

We currently have 3 vans/teams out each day each covering a different area

George Systems

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Re: George Software
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2004, 08:15:35 am »
Hi

It's easy to set up - create a Round for each team, give them a Palm each and configure PocketGeorge to transfer the correct Round to the correct Palm.

You will get the maximum benefit if you have multiple teams - you can import each set of daily results onto the PC with a single keypress. Should save you loads of time !!

Contact me direct if you need any more info.

Paul

zeusjazmin

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george system
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2005, 09:16:26 pm »
it looks rather complicated to me ,has anyone got it?,if so whats youre opinion

Rob_j

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Re: george system
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2005, 10:41:44 pm »
It's very good. I was going to write my own system when I started up, but after using George for the trial period I thought it would be a waste of time. It only costs £50, just a few hours work will cover that.

As with any software it will take time to learn how to use properly. 'RTFM' or 'Read The Flipping Manual'.

Cheers
Rob

zeusjazmin

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Re: george system
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2005, 12:17:56 am »
thanks for advice

pjulk

Re: george system
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2005, 01:01:22 am »
A lot of people on here use george including myself.
I may look complicated but play around with it for a couple of days and you will see really how easy it is.
Plus if you have a PDA you can download your work onto that so no more paperwork to carry about.

Paul

zeusjazmin

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Re: george system
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2005, 01:04:04 am »
what is a pda?

pjulk

Re: george system
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2005, 02:55:53 am »
Quote
what is a pda?
http://euro.palmone.com/uk/en/products/index.html

Its a small pocket computer that runs the Palm OS

Bit like an organiser but you can install loads of differant programs on it like a pc.

Work great with The George Program as there is another program you get with George called Pocket George that you setup on a Palm PDA.

So when you go round you have your round with addresses,names, prices, phone numbers all on your PDA
When you do a customer you tick her as done, When they pay you you tick as paid.
When you get home you put the PDA in a cradle and press one button it then send all you work that done to the George
program on your pc and download the next lot of work and any debts owing to your PDA so you need to really do nothing when you finish work for the day it does it for you


Paul

replacement

Re: george system
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2005, 08:37:48 am »
Yes best bit of kit you can have. Also the help is out of this world. New Years Day i had massive computer problems and lost George etc i sorted out the Pc but could not get my George working again with the backup i had, so i email Paul at George on New Years Day and within 1 hr had a respones. Approx 2 hrs after the first email George was fullying working again with the help and informataion Paul gave me.

Justin

Re: george system
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2005, 07:54:18 pm »
I use a spread sheet data base for oganising my round.  It's a bit of a pain to set up, but once you do, it takes about 10 minutes updating each day. 

In street alphabetical order, set up various columns to include:

An area code.

House Number.

Street.

Cost of Clean.

Date last cleaned.

Date of Current Clean.

Do they owe for a clean?

Remarks (to include name and telephone number).

Then with the 'sort' function you can retrieve lists by area, deleting the houses you've just cleaned.

At the end of each day, put the date into the current clean column and annotate 'yes' if they owe you money.  (Use the copy, cut and paste - to stop you re-typing the same date X amount of times).  Sort your next days cleaning list - print it off.

To find out who owes you money on collection nights - sort on the 'Money Owed' column and within seconds you have a list.  Delete the block that doesn't owe you and print off your list.

I may have made it sound complicated, but with a little bit of practice - you'll find it a peice of cake.  Honestly - it takes ten minutes per day. 

I also keep my accounts on an excell spread sheet - using different columns for 'Amount Cleaned' and 'Cash and Cheques Received' - just to show the disparity between my work rate and cash flow.

Oh, when-ever you store important data on a computer - ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOU MAKE BACK UP COPIES ON DISC, AND PRINT OFF HARD COPIES ON A REGULAR BASIS.  I do this once a week.


Rob_j

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Re: george system
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2005, 08:58:44 pm »
Good advice regarding backup, I backup to a remote location each time I use George.

I feel that even if you back up weekly you would still lose a lot of data if the worst were to happen.

If you backup to a floppy disk then it makes sense to keep the disk away from home (in the van or something).

I think the next version of George will allow you to backup to their own remote computer.

Whilst on the subject of software. Have any of you registered under the data protection act with regard to keeping a database of customer names and addresses, etc? I am not sure if it is required, (though I suspect that it probably is).

Cheers
Rob

Duke

Re: george system
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2005, 06:01:39 pm »
we got a programmer to make us a custom version of Excell....but don't ask me how THAT works.....

George Systems

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Re: george system
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2005, 04:56:21 pm »
Hi Windows_Chepstow

That's really interesting ...

You only spend 10 minutes a day on it !

Assuming you work 6 days a week that's an hour a week  - 4 hours per month.

Guessing you normally earn about £20 an hour, you are spending £80 a month on a system that doesn't produce invoices, doesn't reschedule your done Jobs, doesn't record your expenses and doesn't back itself up to the internet.

It seems a little expensive when George does all that and more for you - and only cost £50. It would pay for itself in two and a half weeks.

Still - horses for courses I guess...

Paul :-)




rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2005, 06:09:21 pm »
Hi

Our business has just reached a point where we've just had to re organise our rounds to a more effective system as we were going back to the same areas on different days.

Anyone know a good program to help with that type of thing?

Also, I am very interested in the 'george' program. I use a pda at work and I use the diary which is not very good or practicle for what I need. Could you send me a link or the web address of the George website as I cannot find it on a search engine. Thanks.

Ross

George Systems

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Re: george system
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2005, 08:44:37 pm »

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2005, 09:03:14 pm »
Hi George Systems

Der ............ I should have guessed from your name.

Thanks for the link. I have downloaded the trial version and will be trying it out.

Cheers

Ross

George Systems

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Re: george system
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2005, 09:06:53 pm »
Hi Ross

Hope you like it ...

Paul

Re: george system
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2005, 10:26:59 pm »
Dear George Systems,

It's not a lot to spend four hours per MONTH organising your window cleaning round when it includes:

     What you're going to clean.

     Who owes you money.

     All your accounts.

It's very little time.  All I'm saying is that with a few basic skills you can use your home computer with the software that's already included on it to organise your round and accounts.

Following this, you can't equate cleaning windows to the administration of your round.  Obviously it's far easier 'calorie wise and work wise' to do your accounts in the evening when it's dark - than doing it from 9.00 am to 10.00 am.  So saying it costs me £80 per month is a bit misleading.  It costs me nothing, except ten minutes per day.

I do not doubt that George is an excellent system from what I've read about it.  It's only I'm slightly more computer literate than your average 'gadgie'.  If I could tell people how to do it - I would.  But it's beyond me to pass on that information.

PowerClene

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Re: george system
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2005, 10:51:50 pm »
Dear George Systems,

It's not a lot to spend four hours per MONTH organising your window cleaning round when it includes:

     What you're going to clean.

     Who owes you money.

     All your accounts.

It's very little time.  All I'm saying is that with a few basic skills you can use your home computer with the software that's already included on it to organise your round and accounts.

Following this, you can't equate cleaning windows to the administration of your round.  Obviously it's far easier 'calorie wise and work wise' to do your accounts in the evening when it's dark - than doing it from 9.00 am to 10.00 am.  So saying it costs me £80 per month is a bit misleading.  It costs me nothing, except ten minutes per day.

I do not doubt that George is an excellent system from what I've read about it.  It's only I'm slightly more computer literate than your average 'gadgie'.  If I could tell people how to do it - I would.  But it's beyond me to pass on that information.

I'm sure that your spreadsheet is great, but it can't possibly have the power that "George" does. I'm pretty good at writing spreadsheets myself, but I douldn't get one to do what George does in a million years. In fact, I don't think that Excel has the functionality. I know it's difficult to let your baby go, but you should really give George a try. It's perfect for the job.

Re: george system
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2005, 11:06:36 pm »
Well tell me what George does?

My Spreadsheet does the following:

     Organises my round.
     Tells me how much money my round produces.
     Tells me who owes me money.
      Tells me how much I've improved my round since last month.
     

What else do I want?  And it only takes ten minutes per day?

Grafters Cleaning Services

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Re: george system
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2005, 11:09:11 pm »
maybe I'm stupid but can someone pleae tell what the h..l is a george system?
JAY "GRAFTERS"
From Southampton
www.high-shine.co.uk

Rob_j

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Re: george system
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2005, 11:21:38 pm »
Dear Mr Windows_chepstow,
You say that you are, "slightly more computer literate than your average 'gadgie'.".

I gave up my programming job last year to start my window cleaning company. It was my original intention to write my own system, however once I had evaluated George I realised that there was no point.

I believe £50 pounds is a very good price for this software. Added to that the level of support that they give (for free) is way beyond what you should expect.

Cheers
Rob

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2005, 12:13:13 am »
The 'george system' thing is a program for the computer and if you want it, for a PDA which is like a very small computer  (like an organiser but more complex) which can be carried around where ever you go. Flash people often have them but having said that - I use one and 'flash' hardly describes me. Nor does 'computer literate'.

I only looked at the free trial download tonight. You can put all your customers, rounds, details, whether they've paid etc, and frequency of cleans etc etc onto it. It's a program for window cleaners.

I've only been playing with it for a few hours and it looks really good.

Ross

Grafters Cleaning Services

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Re: george system
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2005, 12:43:26 am »
thanx ross, where do you get them from
JAY "GRAFTERS"
From Southampton
www.high-shine.co.uk

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2005, 01:23:07 am »
Hi Grafters

The page I downloaded it from is as follows

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/Products/Toxics/chemicalhouse.cfm?producttypeid=18

I don't know how links work but if clicking on it doesn't work, copy and paste it and download it. It's worth a try.

Cheers

Ross

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2005, 01:33:22 am »
Hi Grafters again

Bug*er. The link was from what my daughter was looking at earlier. I ain't so good at this internet stuff.

I'll try again

http://www.georgesystems.co.uk/Download/download.html

I hope that one is the right link.

If I muddled my way through it, any one can.

Cheers again

Ross

Grafters Cleaning Services

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Re: george system
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2005, 09:03:14 am »
thanx ross i will check it out
JAY "GRAFTERS"
From Southampton
www.high-shine.co.uk

rosskesava

Re: New Version of George software
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2005, 12:32:27 am »
Hi George

I only found out about your software last week and I'll definately be buying it having tried it out. Some thing are a bit confusing though but I'm sure I'll work them out.

Two things I don't know if the program does though.

One  is that after I entered in the customers details I could not re arrange the order. In other words - I seemed to be stuck with the order in which I entered them which did cause some confusion when we worked to the print out.

The other is that for our commercial customers, they all pay on different date  as although we work to a 4 weekly cycle and they pay every 4 weeks. It depends on which Friday we started to do their windows as to which Friday of that 4 week cycle that they pay. I could not work out how to enter that into the program.

Can it be done?

Cheers

Ross

George Systems

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Re: New Version of George software
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2005, 08:27:53 am »
HiMatt

You can change the order of Jobs in System/Settings/Round Order.

I'm not too sure what you mean about the payment dates - please contact me on our "support@" address with more details.

Paul Sanders
GeorgeSystems
http://www.georgesystems.co.uk

George Systems

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George - New version 3.67
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2005, 12:17:48 pm »
Hi Guys

For the information of those of you who are using our software and are not members of our User Group, we have just released a new version.

There are a number of enhancements but the major improvement is the internet backup option for registered users.

If your PC or data backups are ever lost, stolen or damaged your last backup is now only an eMail away !

We believe that this is a unique service - we have not seen it offered by any other piece of software and it should give you complete peace of mind - remember your business data is valuable  - your data IS your business...

For those of you that remember this thread: http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4931.0 we have now made sure that it won't happen again !

Paul Sanders
George Systems
http://www.georgesystems.co.uk

gaza

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Re: george system
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2005, 11:55:08 pm »
the gary system doesnt work,takes on more work than he can handle 8weeks work in 4 weeks should start bins on monday ,sorry forgot about the flowers,bet they dont win flowers in bloom this year pmsl
sold some old work on today200 squids worth 4 £400
I down loaded george,didnt have time to look at it but peeps give it a good report
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2005, 11:58:59 pm »
Hi Gaza

You've been at the vodka again?  ;D  ;D  ;D

I've now got the hang of the George software and it's good.

I reckomend it. It has a few draw backs but still, it's worth taking the time and trouble to learn and will be an asset to your business.

Cheers

Ross

choice.clean

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Re: george system
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2005, 06:04:25 am »
I have just visited a computer lecturer in swansea university and paid for his advice i mentioned the george system and he said that it would cost around £1000 to replicate it. so advised to continue using this system.
things i have found that iritate are.
no area for a reference number would be great if you could search for a customer based on a number something that a database would have. especially as all of our customers pay by standing order and we trace them by number still just have to look over printed oput lists and phone them back when they want to know when thay are next due. surname search facility would do but can't see that in there.
a manual would be good too i don't know about you folks but being able to read something in logical order is my way to learn.
also had difficulty moving a customer position it would have been nice to have a cut and paste facility like a word document.
i have still booked up for a spreadsheet course with the computer lecturer as i will find that usefull to fill in the gaps that george has for me.
or would a few of us on the forum like to club together to pay for a programmer to get us what we want.??? ???
1914

George Systems

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Re: george system
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2005, 12:28:52 pm »
Hi

Obviously you are entitled to your opinion - but most people seem to like George the way it is.

You can search by Surname using the "Select Job" dialog.

We decided early on to hide the system Reference Number - it's not going to mean much to most of our users and it's just one more thing thats likely to cause confusion.

The 2 buttons on the Job Order screen are not marked "Cut" and "Paste" - they are marked "Select" and "Move" - but they do the same thing. Are the words that important?

We couldn't provide printed manuals at this price - it would require a major price increase to do it and we have very few requests for printed material.

You might find a willing programmer to copy George for £1000 but what would be the point? It would cost much more to develop something else from scratch...

Paul

riz

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Re: george system
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2005, 03:05:19 pm »
Buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the best thing since sliced bread!!! (better even)

Paul

pjulk

Re: george system
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2005, 03:57:03 pm »
Totally agree it a great program well worth the money i paid for it and the support is excellent.

I would recommend buying it.

Paul

rosskesava

Re: george system
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2005, 04:23:12 pm »
I think it's a great program and I reccomend it.

It does not do a few things I want but they are minor compared to what it does do.

John Walker

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Re: george system
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2005, 08:16:47 pm »

I bought George when I started up and find it invaluable.  Easy to use and regularly updated.  Current update allows remote backing up of data in addition to your own hard and floppy disc backups.

Don't waste time trying to write your own - George only costs £50 and has a service second to none.

... And Paul the software writer listens and impliments user suggestions where ever possible.

John
BaxWalker Window Cleaning

mickeyfat

Re: george system
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2005, 12:06:52 am »
Do you all know its a FREE trial!!! for 3 months!!
What ya goto loose

I have used it for a year

Pauls after service for problem I have are ace..I can be a bit dumb and he is avery patiant

Its organised my work brilliantly


Re: New Version of George software
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2005, 04:33:51 pm »
Ive used george for the last 18 months my accountant and the tax man say its one of the best softwares for small businesses theve come across well done.

Mikey Y

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Re: New Version of George software
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2005, 06:49:30 am »
I have had George since August 2001, and I would say its one of the best 50 quids I have spent, and thats what I paid for it then, so its great value for money after over 3 years of use, and many more improvements since then. 8)

Mike
Spain