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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: robert mitchell on February 20, 2020, 05:18:22 pm
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As above , can this be welded ?
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They can re weld it but it won’t be a 5 minute job even if you can even find a person to do it
Me being me I would get my blow torch on that and try to trowel it back together , depends on how you value the tank though as it might not work
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Robert, what size tank is that ? Funnily enough I've just come inside from taking the same kind of tank out of the back of my pickup as I'm selling the truck. I've a new van and tank so it's spare. It's a 500 L lay flat baffled from Stephen Scargill ( if I remember correctly ). Was going to put up on the for sale section in a couple of weeks. I'm not too far from you - Shoreham by Sea., West Sussex.
Edit: a couple of other replies whilst typing. Hadn't realised yours was in an ionics frame previously.
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I value it a lot as to take it out and replace tank would mean removing the entire ionics frame and refitting afterwards.
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As above , can this be welded ?
Yes it can steve scargill can do it I cannot remember who he works for it’s something like Toolcraft or something ,he does an excellent job
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Robert, what size tank is that ? Funnily enough I've just come inside from taking the same kind of tank out of the back of my pickup as I'm selling the truck. I've a new van and tank so it's spare. It's a 500 L lay flat baffled from Stephen Scargill ( if I remember correctly ). Was going to put up on the for sale section in a couple of weeks. I'm not too far from you - Shoreham by Sea., West Sussex.
Hi mate , its a 700 litre but its a pro6 thermopure from ionics so your 500 would be no good to me unfortunately .
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I have a 500 ltr ionics black tank sat in my garden surplus to requirements
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As above , can this be welded ?
Do you know where he is based and is he on this forum? cheers
Yes it can steve scargill can do it I cannot remember who he works for it’s something like Toolcraft or something ,he does an excellent job
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This is who steve scargill works fir they built me several tanks I thouroughly recommend them (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1582221469_CC64969B-3A91-445D-A5F4-DA44EDF18454.png)
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Thank you , just emailed for a quote , would be nice if i could find somewhere closer to home though .
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Thank you , just emailed for a quote , would be nice if i could find somewhere closer to home though .
Try googling plastic fabrication near you you might find someone nearby
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
Got to be worth a go.
Has it only come apart on one edge at the top ?
If so, could you silicone and put a heavy weight along its length while it sets, then angle iron or plastic self tapped over it with more silicone ?
I'd recommend using this stuff
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Fibre glass repair?
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
Got to be worth a go.
Has it only come apart on one edge at the top ?
If so, could you silicone and put a heavy weight along its length while it sets, then angle iron or plastic self tapped over it with more silicone ?
I'd recommend using this stuff
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I think it would work but just not sure how long it would last or how well the self tappers would hold in 3-4 mm plastic..........yes its just along one edge and not all the way along , about half the length.
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Fibre glass repair?
from what i can gather , the fibreglass resin or indeed any type of glue will not stick to the type of plastic they use .
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
Got to be worth a go.
Has it only come apart on one edge at the top ?
If so, could you silicone and put a heavy weight along its length while it sets, then angle iron or plastic self tapped over it with more silicone ?
I'd recommend using this stuff
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwil0aq-i-HnAhUEsO0KHazqAYwYABALGgJkZw&ohost=www.google.co.uk&cid=CAASEuRoDc4uShiB145Vxre5FOPPzg&sig=AOD64_2PDpo5yw7iER2RX8GcoIHZ7zDxsw&ctype=46&q=&ved=2ahUKEwizy6S-i-HnAhWZQhUIHaAyB24Q9aACegQIDRA7&adurl=
I think it would work but just not sure how long it would last or how well the self tappers would hold in 3-4 mm plastic..........yes its just along one edge and not all the way along , about half the length.
Ok I see. It may look a bit bodged but what I'd be inclined to do is carefully drill small holes diagonally right through top panel with a long enough bit that it comes out through the side panel. Do this equal distances along and beyond the length of the split. A liberal sandwich filling of stixall. Fit long enough nuts and bolts through with washers thus stitching it back together. As they are tightened they will also clamp it firmly and the stixall will not only glue it but seal it.
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
If you do that and it’s not successful then it will cause further damage to the tank , personally I would get it done right by a professional
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I would try using tiger seal, very strong sealant
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Tiger seal is pretty indestructible if you can’t find some one to repair it.
Steven scargill may be able to help but his prices have shot through the roof so it may not be cheap, there is a guy in Oldham Neail Woodhead, EMPF custom tanks, he is very reasonably priced for new tanks and may be able to help you out with a repair.
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Concerning the split water tank. We did the same to an Ionics tank by filling it up to quick. The air couldn't escape quick enough and it split the top of the tank open.
We repaired ours with black Sikaflex silicone sealant. It hasn't leaked since.
Lightly sand the outside edge of the split with sandpaper. Clean with a degreaser. Run two lengths of 2" masking tape along the original weld lines. Pry open the tank with a plastic wedge and dry the joint as much as possible. Using a decent silicone gun, apply silicone in the joint. Remove wedge so the joint closes then find something to hold the split joint together. Now run a thick bead of silicone to the outside of the joint and smooth it out evenly with a wet spreader. Try and keep the silicone as a thick smooth bead. Remove the two strips of masking tape when the silicone is still wet. Wait to cure for two days before use.
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I have a tank like that also. Custom made by Stephen Scargill about 7 years ago.
With any welded equipment there’s always a chance for the weld to fail, but mine hasn’t and this is the first time I’ve seen it happen.
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it should be a non issue though....none of us should expect a tank to start leaking under normal circumstances
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .
Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .
Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
Ripped off yeah!I've been taking cars and van's theres for 30 years!in fact hes charged me very little for servicing over the years....he even replaced a back axle for me on an old kangoo for next to nothing....he changed oil and filter on my van on monday for £65(£5 less than last year!).......I dont take my golf GTD there though....that goes to a proper VW garage for servicing.....👍
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
Iron no but Aluminum angle and silicone I think you'd get away with. The wider Ally angle the better as this will give you greater structural rigidity.
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Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........
At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning that the tanks structure has failed.
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .
Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.
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Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........
At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning that the tanks structure has failed.
Are you on crack or something ?
The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.
There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .
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Thank you everyone else for your help , will let you know how it goes!
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .
Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.
They are designed to rupture in a severe accident that’s what the lids are for on the latest tanks the water is released in a controlled manner to stop the impact damage of a solid object
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Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........
At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning that the tanks structure has failed.
Are you on crack or something ?
The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.
There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .
Crack ? No. i'm just drunk. I'll alert Rueben to this post and see what he thinks? I'd guess they only crash guarantee what they fit , thats why it seemed odd to me that you mentioned "crash tested" . Wydale tanks construction ensures they cannot come apart. I was genuinely suprised at just how flimsy that tank of yours is. In anycase to "repair" it, you can use any angle bead type thing you choose that you think will be flexible and rigid but this will stick it (to any surface) and remain waterproof and flexible..............
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sikaflex-Caravan-Adhesive-Caravans-Trailers/dp/B0036KGDH0?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0036KGDH0
Its recommended by http://www.caktanks.co.uk/ and thats what they pretty much do, water tanks amongst other stuff.
BTW i'm not having a pop at you, its more a pop at Ionics and their great systems that apparently fall apart. But anyway.............. Good luck saving it.
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ive never seen a tank like that before......you should just buy a plastic wydale tank IMO...their cheap and solid...ive had mine for years......
it seems ridiculous that a tank can split like that....esp with it being ionics!you d expect better!yet another reason to never buy from them!
I bought it secondhand , it’s from 2009 and it’s my fault it split , I fill from a static system and the breather on the tank that allows the air out as the water goes in was blocked .
Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank .......... especially one that’s been fitted by morons , no offence Daz , I love your posts and positivity but you were ripped off by that garage .
Make sure your repair is acceptable to Ionics, or the crash guarantee you thought you had will go out the window (pardon the pun) if they find you have been messing with its structural rigidity and construction.
They are despite rupture in a severe accident that’s what the lids are for on the latest tanks the water is released in a controlled manner to stop the impact damage of a solid object
There is no danger of impact from a solid object with an Ionics crash tested system. They have accreditation and a video to show this. They claim it "maintains its structual rigidity". Maybe we could fill up big water balloons in our vans that would fall apart easily ? Everyone get wet but no one get hurt ?
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Absolutely no chance I’m replacing a crash tested thermopure system with a wye dale tank ..........
At some point its going to dawn on you that your crash tested tank just failed. Thankfully you where not in any accident or it could of split apart totally and caused you serious damage. And if there was any kids nearby it could of hurt them too, possibly resulting in death with that large weight of water. Its certainley concerning that the tanks structure has failed.
Are you on crack or something ?
The tank will almost certainly come apart in a crash and the water will spill out , this will not kill me or any kids that happen to be walking past either , the main bulk of the system will stay put and not smash me to smithereens on its way out of the van.
There is no guarantee , i bought it secondhand .
Crack ? No. i'm just drunk. I'll alert Rueben to this post and see what he thinks? I'd guess they only crash guarantee what they fit , thats why it seemed odd to me that you mentioned "crash tested" . Wydale tanks construction ensures they cannot come apart. I was genuinely suprised at just how flimsy that tank of yours is. In anycase to "repair" it, you can use any angle bead type thing you choose that you think will be flexible and rigid but this will stick it (to any surface) and remain waterproof and flexible..............
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sikaflex-Caravan-Adhesive-Caravans-Trailers/dp/B0036KGDH0?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duc08-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0036KGDH0
Its recommended by http://www.caktanks.co.uk/ and thats what they pretty much do, water tanks amongst other stuff.
BTW i'm not having a pop at you, its more a pop at Ionics and their great systems that apparently fall apart. But anyway.............. Good luck saving it.
They did fit it , it was already installed in the van when i bought it , it didnt fall apart , i broke it.
That silicone will not work , it does not work on polyethylene or polypropylene .
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Hi
Give Damian a call at Ionics he will be able to advise the best way to repair tank or what you need to do to get it sorted properly
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If you fit three plastic blocks inside the top of the lid to the sides using long reach bolts leaving sufficient room to add large thick washers and nylon nuts to the end of the thread to keep the blocks from falling into the tank. Roughen both edges with coarse grit, clean with alcohol rubs, then apply tiger seal. Close up the gap by tightening the nylon washers down so the two sides butt up tightly and leave the sealant to dry for at least two hours the tank should be secure and strong enough to last for a long time.
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Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it
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Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it
The plastic theses tanks are made from arnt well suited for gluing they need welding , basically nothing will stick to it !!!
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Not read all the replies but can it not be glued with 2 part apoxy, maybe then using an angled piece of aluminium with apoxy and self tapping screws to reinforce it
The plastic theses tanks are made from arnt well suited for gluing they need welding , basically nothing will stick to it !!!
Well I managed to stick plastic runners to the top of mine to slide a ladder on top of. I used stixall as I posted link to previously and it worked ???
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If you fit three plastic blocks inside the top of the lid to the sides using long reach bolts leaving sufficient room to add large thick washers and nylon nuts to the end of the thread to keep the blocks from falling into the tank. Roughen both edges with coarse grit, clean with alcohol rubs, then apply tiger seal. Close up the gap by tightening the nylon washers down so the two sides butt up tightly and leave the sealant to dry for at least two hours the tank should be secure and strong enough to last for a long time.
Not a bad idea that , possibly even work with decent self tapping screws .
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Have emailed a couple of places .......... im toying with the idea of self tapping some angle iron over it with silicone underneath .......good idea?
I'm late to the thread but if you can take the strain off the joint you can seal it. If you use CT1 sealant (you can get it from good plumbers merchants - https://www.ct1.com/our-products/ct1/ ) you don't even have to drain the tank or dry it out. I sealed the inside of a cracked cistern with it about three years ago while it was full of water and never a drop has leaked. Mate of mine who is a plumber recommended it and it's brilliant. The only problem is that it won't hold the strain so you need structural support.
Vin