Essex Power Washing

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softwash solution
« on: March 29, 2015, 07:35:45 pm »
can any body give me your softwash solution please  i have googled it utubed it but no luck have seen some amazing soft wash videos but no solution make up. is it under the national security or am i missing something. can any body who has seen or does soft wash help.

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2015, 07:45:37 pm »
I can't speak for anyone else but I've soft washed with a pretreatment of algoclear on render did a great job.

Also hypo, leave to soak in wash off 30 mins later, quicker than algoclear

Darran
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Essex Power Washing

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2015, 08:09:28 pm »
Darren
i get Hypo 15% solution would you use it straight from the container or dilute down if so what ratio

Rob@Blast off

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2015, 08:11:40 pm »
Definitely dilute it and start from the bottom and work up

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2015, 08:15:01 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran
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Rob@Blast off

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2015, 08:21:11 pm »
Darren, where did you get your x jet from?
I use an old pole at the moment.

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2015, 08:35:11 pm »
From the states, don't think anyone over here sells them  :(

Darran
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Rob@Blast off

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 08:44:32 pm »
Thought that was the case  :(
Can you remember the total cost?

Essex Power Washing

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 08:52:45 pm »
any other mix with the Hypo , clinging agent or detergents !!

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2015, 10:08:45 pm »
Yes I put a cherry detergent in to help it stick and smell nice (er)

With tax, postage, customs etc about £110,  you could look, get in touch with hugh crane. (Paul) he was telling me they make something similar, but not really looked into as I already have the x jet

Darran
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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2015, 03:58:57 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran
Do you actually spray hypo using a x-jet ?

Aqua Power Solutions

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2015, 06:06:39 pm »
Essex , if you are referring  to algoclear pro , ratio 1- 40  winter 1-50  other
Results may differ if used  below 8 c  or it rains within 12 hrs after application
Brush or spray on surface

Ed
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Essex Power Washing

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2015, 08:35:14 pm »
thanks all

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2015, 09:23:04 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran
Do you actually spray hypo using a x-jet ?

Yes
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Matt.

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2015, 10:25:13 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran

Do you actually spray hypo using a x-jet ?

Yes

Hello Darren, as you prob no am new to this pressure washing and am learning as I read, with regards to the x jets, I have just googled them and there are a few different bits. If I was to buy from this link what exactly am I buying.

Sorry for the question.

http://powerpressurewash.com/xjets.html

I have family just local who will ship it over for me, is it just the part and hose

Thanks mate

Re: softwash solution
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2015, 11:03:03 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran
Do you actually spray hypo using a x-jet ?

Yes
What could possibly go wrong  ;D

Cowan

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2015, 11:41:14 pm »
This is something  I am really keen also to invest in, I have done a fair bit of research on the American sites and forums.  Also see 'shooter tips' which they have fitted direct to the lance handle and can reach 4 stories high for cleaning (soft washing) so no need for high lifts etc.

Think they have complete second set ups for this side of the buisness and use chemical pumps rather than pressure washers? The more I looked the more confused I got 😳


Thanks

Matt.

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2015, 09:46:45 am »
This is something  I am really keen also to invest in, I have done a fair bit of research on the American sites and forums.  Also see 'shooter tips' which they have fitted direct to the lance handle and can reach 4 stories high for cleaning (soft washing) so no need for high lifts etc.

Think they have complete second set ups for this side of the buisness and use chemical pumps rather than pressure washers? The more I looked the more confused I got 😳


Thanks

Same ere mate, am just not sure what's  what.
It's all new to me. 

Cowan

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2015, 10:09:54 am »
Think there is a big market for this with commercial buildings and all these new build flats etc with the rendered finish with the correct set up (machine/pump/jet /solution).

Also not sure how the guys that do this regularly ensure any solution drift does not damage any grass, plants, vehicles parked near by etc! Need to ensure the solution rates are spot on, enough to clean efficiently but safe enough to use (spray from ground to heights)!

Anyone with experience of softwasing in UK willing to give advice and info would be great to hear, big ask I know 😜👍

Thanks

Cowan

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2015, 10:52:03 am »
Smudger  (or anyone with jet experience like Smudger) - from your experience would the x jet work well with my edge Grimebuster pressure washing rig, it's 200 bar (3000psi) and 15 Litres per min pump with boiler fitted for hot water option? What height would I be able to spray to?

Sorry for all the questions👍 is it just a case of attaching the x jet to a gun and putting the hose in the chem solution and away you go?

Also if I put the x jet chemical hose into a container with 15% SH and some cherry want kind of dilution would be provided at lance outlet? Or do you mix 3 water to 1 SH in a drum and then further dilute with the pump output? Finally at those dilution rates is that save for plants/grass etc (with obvious careful application and not just spraying all over the place!)

If you don't want to divulge all your knowledge from your experience then I fully understand  or if you would rather I called or PM'd you I am happy either way.

Look forward to any advice or guidance - thanks in advance

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2015, 04:33:57 pm »
Matty - I didn't buy the m5 I was advised by others to get the original  everything you need is here
http://powerpressurewash.com/x-jet-original-long-distance-spray-nozzle.html

Gd - nothing if you know what your doing  ;)

Cowan - they come with a range of Venturi's  that allow different strengths of mix the hose goes direct into the neat chem barrel. Email them and they will supply with the correct nozzle combo.

As above I brought the original, I don't shoot it up 20 ft never mind 40 .  I use it connected to a converted CLX  and throttle back the PW so most distances of the nozzle to the treated surface is 18 inches, for large drives it beats filling watering cans and spreading (messy and inconsistant) or using  a pump up sprayer, time is money and I can hypo 300 m sq. in around five minutes.

Darran
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Richy L

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 06:29:31 pm »
This sounds like a H&S nightmare!
I bet your insurance company wont pay out when you damage something/someone

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2015, 06:49:54 pm »
Is the concept of shooting chems 40 ft a nightmare or using hypo the worry ?

Whether you use a watering can, pump up sprayer or x jet the H&S with relative risk and precautions are the same,  the x jet is extremely controllable and acurate and has the advantage of not having to decant chemicals from container and container so exposure to them is less.

Darran
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Richy L

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2015, 07:03:57 pm »
The X-Jet.

Wouldnt there be a lot of potential overspray if there was the slightest bit of wind?

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2015, 07:16:13 pm »
On a day like today  with high winds of course, but that would be the case with a pump sprayer as well.

I've never had any drift when using the x jet, but as I say  hypo is applied with low pressure, soap I use with a bit more oomph  and get a fan spray approx 3 ft wide.

What do you reccomend for applying hypo ?

Darran
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Darranvps

Re: softwash solution
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2015, 07:29:40 pm »
We use a very special mix for this which we have made in Sweden and have it shipped over - it smells of MINT
It has been formulated specially for render cleaning and will NOT HARM FISH - WILL NOT DISCOLOUR LEAD - IS NOT HARMFULL TO PLANTS ETC - this means we can use it on the environmental agency and DEFRA buildings - using other products may get you into trouble if allowed to discharge down a drain..........

We buy 10,000 litres per month! This is the MINIMUM ORDER AMOUNT  :o

Re: softwash solution
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2015, 08:09:35 pm »
Is the concept of shooting chems 40 ft a nightmare or using hypo the worry ?

Whether you use a watering can, pump up sprayer or x jet the H&S with relative risk and precautions are the same,  the x jet is extremely controllable and acurate and has the advantage of not having to decant chemicals from container and container so exposure to them is less.
 ;
Darran
from your original comment we use x jet I was under the impression you was using x jet to spray large distances however it now appears you are using it as a simple chem injector  ;)
I would be surprised if richly would go into details on here  :D

chris scott

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2015, 08:12:09 pm »
We use a very special mix for this which we have made in Sweden and have it shipped over - it smells of MINT
It has been formulated specially for render cleaning and will NOT HARM FISH - WILL NOT DISCOLOUR LEAD - IS NOT HARMFULL TO PLANTS ETC - this means we can use it on the environmental agency and DEFRA buildings - using other products may get you into trouble if allowed to discharge down a drain..........

We buy 10,000 litres per month! This is the MINIMUM ORDER AMOUNT  :o
Send me some…please.
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Richy L

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2015, 08:51:58 pm »
There are different ways to apply all chemicals depending on the job.
Does the xjet just work as a chem venture? but with a shooter tip?

chris scott

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2015, 09:06:27 pm »
There are different ways to apply all chemicals depending on the job.
Does the xjet just work as a chem venture? but with a shooter tip?
Its a "high "pressure venturi which works because of the pressure drop …as its mounted on the tip of the lance. Others don't work at high pressure. Good but not brilliant..worth having one in the van.
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Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2015, 09:34:16 pm »
Is the concept of shooting chems 40 ft a nightmare or using hypo the worry ?

Whether you use a watering can, pump up sprayer or x jet the H&S with relative risk and precautions are the same,  the x jet is extremely controllable and acurate and has the advantage of not having to decant chemicals from container and container so exposure to them is less.
 ;
Darran
from your original comment we use x jet I was under the impression you was using x jet to spray large distances however it now appears you are using it as a simple chem injector  ;)
I would be surprised if richly would go into details on here  :D

That was not my original post, earlier I stated I use it on a clx pole usually 18 inches away from the surface being cleaned, the x jet web site states you can shoot chems 40 ft, I wasn't sure If richy was referring to that or how I used it.

Darran
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www.oddbodscleaning.co.uk

Richy L

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2015, 10:06:41 pm »
Is the concept of shooting chems 40 ft a nightmare or using hypo the worry ?

Whether you use a watering can, pump up sprayer or x jet the H&S with relative risk and precautions are the same,  the x jet is extremely controllable and acurate and has the advantage of not having to decant chemicals from container and container so exposure to them is less.
 ;
Darran
from your original comment we use x jet I was under the impression you was using x jet to spray large distances however it now appears you are using it as a simple chem injector  ;)
I would be surprised if richly would go into details on here  :D

That was not my original post, earlier I stated I use it on a clx pole usually 18 inches away from the surface being cleaned, the x jet web site states you can shoot chems 40 ft, I wasn't sure If richy was referring to that or how I used it.

Darran

I meant it seems unsafe to shoot potentially harmful chemicals 40ft.

Smudger

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2015, 10:28:24 pm »
I agree, very little control used like that, without going back and re reading the complete website I doubt x jet promote shooting bleach 40ft either, I think they possibly had soap in mind for the m5 x jet

Darran
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Matt.

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2015, 10:37:37 pm »
Thanks Darren,

Matt

Cowan

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2015, 10:25:06 pm »
We use a very special mix for this which we have made in Sweden and have it shipped over - it smells of MINT
It has been formulated specially for render cleaning and will NOT HARM FISH - WILL NOT DISCOLOUR LEAD - IS NOT HARMFULL TO PLANTS ETC - this means we can use it on the environmental agency and DEFRA buildings - using other products may get you into trouble if allowed to discharge down a drain..........

We buy 10,000 litres per month! This is the MINIMUM ORDER AMOUNT  :o


Would you consider selling this product on? If so how much would it cost me to have 50L delivered to Edinburgh, EH12? Would be very keen to try this out 😀

hasti

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2015, 06:11:26 pm »
About 3to1 - usually apply with x- jet

Heavy soiling 2to1

Darran

Do you actually spray hypo using a x-jet ?

Yes

Hello Darren, as you prob no am new to this pressure washing and am learning as I read, with regards to the x jets, I have just googled them and there are a few different bits. If I was to buy from this link what exactly am I buying.

Sorry for the question.

http://powerpressurewash.com/xjets.html

I have family just local who will ship it over for me, is it just the part and hose

Thanks mate

I think this thing use too much of your solution and can waist it, why not just get a back pack, put the solution in and just slow pump it in to your water fed pole brush, we do that all the time  and not only safer plus don't have hardly any waist.


here is a video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f44hl2teb8o

 :)

richarddavidson

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Re: softwash solution
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2015, 03:48:49 pm »
Hi..I have an american style softwash system  as well as an x jet. Whilst the x jet does certain things very well what it doesnt and cant do is spray a roof hypo mix on as the x jet cannot mix it to the 40/60 or 50/50 water /hypo mix that is most often used. It will clean areas that require a much lower hypo to water ratio i.e. 4 to 1 or greater.
Invest in a dedicated softwash pump as they are not expensive and can be bought in uk or euro for around 100 pounds .Eveything else needed can be bought in uk.
The x jet does shoot a fair distance but if you search there are much smarter methods of delivering your mix up 4 ,5  or even 6 stories.