[H20cleaning]

Everyone goes on about this stuff but people rarely say:
We're it's from?
How to use?
What to use it on?

I want to order some but I don't know the full name of hypo?

[Abe]

Sodium Hypochlorite. Google it you can order it on line. I too am interested in this stuff I've never used it but read a lot about it on here, seems its the dogs for getting black spots off slabs and stubborn marks etc. I would guess its diluted then scrubbed in the desired area, but I have never used this stuff so not 100% sure.

[Matt Gibson]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

[H20cleaning]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

[BDCS]

For those that are too lazy to typo "hypo" into the search 

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=search2

You really should have some idea as to what and how as if your too lazy to search some old posts on here I very much doubt if you'll read the msds or do rams

[H20cleaning]

For those that are too lazy to typo "hypo" into the search 

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=search2

You really should have some idea as to what and how as if your too lazy to search some old posts on here I very much doubt if you'll read the msds or do rams

If I wanted to read through old posts I would have done so. AS I SAID above if anyone has time to give me some info etc on THIS post then they can, if not then ile find out elsewhere.
It's a forum were people help each other out, otherwise everyone would just use google?

[H20cleaning]

so is this the stuff? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20Litre-Sodium-Hypochlorite-14-15-Liquid-Chlorine-Shock-Treatment-/271057759741?pt=UK_Swimming_Pools_Hot_Tubs&hash=item3f1c4d2dfd

[BDCS]

Thats it

[H20cleaning]

Thats it

Thank you, i suppose its best to order some as i have another 2 patios booked in similar to yesterdays all covered in black spots.

[BDCS]

If your customers and yourself are happy with the work you've done then why go to the cost and grief of chemicals. I have been going a couple of years now and rarely ever use bleach except for decks and conservatory roofs. You can learn so much from old posts if you can read between the lines. The grief was always oil spills on blocks before hypo so we'll be back to that soon

[Kenny83]

do you use hypo on conny roofs carl? it's something ive thought about that, never tried it though, also have you ever tried it on pvc cladding / soffits etc? what where the results like mate?

[BDCS]

try it ! It makes the green whizz off even in the frilly things  Stay away from the lead and your eyes. I mostly use the bleach from my cleaning supplier which is quite weak

[H20cleaning]

I'm just thinking of ways to improve, I do take constructive criticism and try and learn, but on my before and after photos it sounded like everyone was picking faults when everyone could clearly see the massive difference:)

[Blast Away]

On the same page as this thread is this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=170062.0

I state where I get it from. Find a local chemical supplier where you can walk in and buy.

Buy PPE, cover your eyes, where gloves and wear a respirator and expect to bleach your clothes unless you have waterproofs on or a soft shell jacket which don't bleach.

Avoid grass otherwise you'll be laying a new lawn.

Have I scared you enough yet? 

[Kenny83]

On the same page as this thread is this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=170062.0

I state where I get it from. Find a local chemical supplier where you can walk in and buy.

Buy PPE, cover your eyes, where gloves and wear a respirator and expect to bleach your clothes unless you have waterproofs on or a soft shell jacket which don't bleach.

Avoid grass otherwise you'll be laying a new lawn.

Have I scared you enough yet? 

Whats soft shell Lee? Is it that regatta you wear? I bought one the other day from the Range, I'm sure it said soft shell on the tag, will that not bleach? can you get soft shel pants?

[H20cleaning]

On the same page as this thread is this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=170062.0

I state where I get it from. Find a local chemical supplier where you can walk in and buy.

Buy PPE, cover your eyes, where gloves and wear a respirator and expect to bleach your clothes unless you have waterproofs on or a soft shell jacket which don't bleach.

Avoid grass otherwise you'll be laying a new lawn.

Have I scared you enough yet? 
[/quote
Haha no you haven't scared me I usually wear full water proofs, wellies, dafty specs and gloves so I'm half way there
Is it best applying with a spray or brush and bucket? Cheers

[BDCS]

On the same page as this thread is this http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=170062.0

I state where I get it from. Find a local chemical supplier where you can walk in and buy.

Buy PPE, cover your eyes, where gloves and wear a respirator and expect to bleach your clothes unless you have waterproofs on or a soft shell jacket which don't bleach.

Avoid grass otherwise you'll be laying a new lawn.

Have I scared you enough yet? 

Whats soft shell Lee? Is it that regatta you wear? I bought one the other day from the Range, I'm sure it said soft shell on the tag, will that not bleach? can you get soft shel pants?

I think he meant shell suit - I'll ask the slovacs or Liths next time I'm in Dover

[Blast Away]

Simon at Pristine wears shell suits, has done since his boys were in Europe in the 80's.  

Soft shell jacket yeh. Trojan at Arco http://www.arco.co.uk/product?productcode=10T8600&OID=368003

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

Dont class me as one of them...we hate scousers
..dont be mistaken and dont be mislead we are not scousers were from birkenhead....
So stick your cathedrals and your pierhead we are not scousers were from birkenhead...

Against modern football.

[chris scott]

Simon at Pristine wears shell suits, has done since his boy were in Europe in the 80's. 

Soft shell jacket yeh. Trojan at Arco http://www.arco.co.uk/product?productcode=10T8600&OID=368003

I have soft shell underpants as the fabric resists staining.

[davids3511]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

I find this too, they are quick to tell you when you make a mistake but very slow with any help or advise. Its obviously a 'local forum for local people'.

[Matt Gibson]

Guys,

We arent being mean, or spiteful. There is a search function for a reason. All your questions have been answered multiple times. I think what people are trying to say is, if you cant be bothered to type some words in and hit search and do a bit of reading, how can you be bothered to do anything?

On the first two pages of the general cleaning forum alone there are multiple posts about hypo.

Ive found this forum nothing but helpfull since i joined, and there is nothing local about it, i was new here once, and still relatively new here compared to some and have made a few mates here that ive never even met!

We are all a bunch of windups, and if you cant take a bit of criticism then you need to get some thicker skin.

Dilute the hypo up according to the job, 1 to 5 usually does it for me. Lee from Blastaway adds a surfactant to thicken up the bleach to help it sit on the surface and make it easier to apply, ive never used it but i hear its pretty good. Watch out for grass or ANY vegetation as hyp will destroy it within hours. Ive had to relay a heap of turf when i first used it as i wasnt carefull. PPE is a must, it bleaches the colour out of your cloths. Get it in your eye and youll know about it. carefull of fumes. i apply with a sprayer, but some apply with buckets brushes etc..

Easiest way is to find a local supplier to you as youll be paying through the nose for delivery. You should be looking to pay about £12 for 25L.

I find different people use it different ways. Lee spreads it thick and far on most jobs to make the cleaning a lot easier. I tend to clean the area first then afterwards go round with the hypo on any bad areas and re clean or leave on black spots to remove them (unless its got good drainage/runnoff and no grass nearby then ill spray hypo down all over and use the whirlaway) Its each to their own and whatever works for you.

Youll find your rythm, but you need to listen to some of these guys on here, and not think they are putting you down. ive had phonecalls to most of them, and walked away a better cleaner for it..

So chill out, and smile.. 

[H20cleaning]

It isn't laziness when you don't understand something and want to know certain questions its alot easier to have someone list dos and donts for you. But you have done that for us so spot on.

[davids3511]

Guys,

We arent being mean, or spiteful. There is a search function for a reason. All your questions have been answered multiple times. I think what people are trying to say is, if you cant be bothered to type some words in and hit search and do of reading, how can you be bothered to do anything?

On the first two pages of the general cleaning forum alone there are multiple posts about hypo.

Ive found this forum nothing but helpfull since i joined, and there is nothing local about it, i was new here once, and still relatively new here compared to some and have made a few mates here that ive never even met!

We are all a bunch of windups, and if you cant take a bit of criticism then you need to get some thicker skin.

Dilute the hypo up according to the job, 1 to 5 usually does it for me. Lee from Blastaway adds a surfactant to thicken up the bleach to help it sit on the surface and make it easier to apply, ive never used it but i hear its pretty good. Watch out for grass or ANY vegetation as hyp will destroy it within hours. Ive had to relay a heap of turf when i first used it as i wasnt carefull. PPE is a must, it bleaches the colour out of your cloths. Get it in your eye and youll know about it. carefull of fumes. i apply with a sprayer, but some apply with buckets brushes etc..

Easiest way is to find a local supplier to you as youll be paying through the nose for delivery. You should be looking to pay about £12 for 25L.

I find different people use it different ways. Lee spreads it thick and far on most jobs to make the cleaning a lot easier. I tend to clean the area first then afterwards go round with the hypo on any bad areas and re clean or leave on black spots to remove them (unless its got good drainage/runnoff and no grass nearby then ill spray hypo down all over and use the whirlaway) Its each to their own and whatever works for you.

Youll find your rythm, but you need to listen to some of these guys on here, and not think they are putting you down. ive had phonecalls to most of them, and walked away a better cleaner for it..

So chill out, and smile..  

I've searched and searched about hypo to the point that I know what it is and how to use it. Its the practical things that weren't commented on.
How do you go about getting it off safely?
Do you leave on for say 20 mins then rinse off before blasting it with pressure washer or just blast with washer?
Is fsc better to keep over spray down?
Is it to go down the drain?
How do you go about masking off an entire lawn if the spotty path is right next to it?
Can you dab on the hypo as a spot remover instead of covering the whole drive?
Should you use it if they have pets?

Yours is by far the most helpful post I have seen to a 'non local'. There is an attitude of 'look at those cowboys', and I am sure the regulars on here are very pro, but helping us lesser mortals who don't want to wear spurs but don't have the experience to be among the elite of  Blast Away, Roger or M-Clean isnt exactly their raison d'etre.

[Abe]

I use the search engine on here all the time as I am pretty new to pressure cleaning, However it is still good to read up on things like Matt explained there. A very good informative site

[Kev Martin]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

I find this too, they are quick to tell you when you make a mistake but very slow with any help or advise. Its obviously a 'local forum for local people'.

David

That's a pretty unfair comment!

There are guys on here who spend a lot of their valuable time trying to help others.  Very often advice is offered which may come across as criticism but you need to remember the majority of people offering advice on here have a wealth of knowledge and moreover a lot of experience.  Please remember one thing that cannot be taught is "Experience"!  Ultimately my point is whilst the help is offered and yes sometimes albeit with a bit of banter you can be pointed in the right direction but then you need to do a little research and digging of your own as well.  Some people request advice and almost want the person to come and do the job for them!

Finally it is an excellent forum and well worth being a member of in my opinion!

Kev Martin
Marblelife ltd
Tiling Logistics

[davids3511]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

I find this too, they are quick to tell you when you make a mistake but very slow with any help or advise. Its obviously a 'local forum for local people'.

David

That's a pretty unfair comment!

There are guys on here who spend a lot of their valuable time trying to help others.  Very often advice is offered which may come across as criticism but you need to remember the majority of people offering advice on here have a wealth of knowledge and moreover a lot of experience.  Please remember one thing that cannot be taught is "Experience"!  Ultimately my point is whilst the help is offered and yes sometimes albeit with a bit of banter you can be pointed in the right direction but then you need to do a little research and digging of your own as well.  Some people request advice and almost want the person to come and do the job for them!

Finally it is an excellent forum and well worth being a member of in my opinion!

Kev Martin
Marblelife ltd
Tiling Logistics

I'm not trying to be mean or controversial, its simply my impression of this forum. A bit of an old boys club. The banter is great, I just feel real quality help to a newbie is sadly lacking. I don't need anybody to do a job for me and I will figure it out myself if I have to, but I guess I am used to the window cleaning forum which has its fair share if clowns but is very helpful.

[Matt Gibson]

Guys,

We arent being mean, or spiteful. There is a search function for a reason. All your questions have been answered multiple times. I think what people are trying to say is, if you cant be bothered to type some words in and hit search and do of reading, how can you be bothered to do anything?

On the first two pages of the general cleaning forum alone there are multiple posts about hypo.

Ive found this forum nothing but helpfull since i joined, and there is nothing local about it, i was new here once, and still relatively new here compared to some and have made a few mates here that ive never even met!

We are all a bunch of windups, and if you cant take a bit of criticism then you need to get some thicker skin.

Dilute the hypo up according to the job, 1 to 5 usually does it for me. Lee from Blastaway adds a surfactant to thicken up the bleach to help it sit on the surface and make it easier to apply, ive never used it but i hear its pretty good. Watch out for grass or ANY vegetation as hyp will destroy it within hours. Ive had to relay a heap of turf when i first used it as i wasnt carefull. PPE is a must, it bleaches the colour out of your cloths. Get it in your eye and youll know about it. carefull of fumes. i apply with a sprayer, but some apply with buckets brushes etc..

Easiest way is to find a local supplier to you as youll be paying through the nose for delivery. You should be looking to pay about £12 for 25L.

I find different people use it different ways. Lee spreads it thick and far on most jobs to make the cleaning a lot easier. I tend to clean the area first then afterwards go round with the hypo on any bad areas and re clean or leave on black spots to remove them (unless its got good drainage/runnoff and no grass nearby then ill spray hypo down all over and use the whirlaway) Its each to their own and whatever works for you.

Youll find your rythm, but you need to listen to some of these guys on here, and not think they are putting you down. ive had phonecalls to most of them, and walked away a better cleaner for it..

So chill out, and smile..  

I've searched and searched about hypo to the point that I know what it is and how to use it. Its the practical things that weren't commented on.
How do you go about getting it off safely?you wash it off
Do you leave on for say 20 mins then rinse off before blasting it with pressure washer or just blast with washer?It all depends on the job/staining/result you want
Is fsc better to keep over spray down?yes
Is it to go down the drain?no comment
How do you go about masking off an entire lawn if the spotty path is right next to it?you be carefull and take pictures and post on here if you ever try and mask off a full lawn, id love to see them  
Can you dab on the hypo as a spot remover instead of covering the whole drive?As in my above post, i usually clean the drive/path/whatever first, then spot clean with hypo. others blanket the area to be cleaned first with hypo. whatever works for you.
Should you use it if they have pets?As long as you rinse it off, you shouldnt have a problem. dont spray it directly in rovers eyes though.

Yours is by far the most helpful post I have seen to a 'non local'. There is an attitude of 'look at those cowboys', and I am sure the regulars on here are very pro, but helping us lesser mortals who don't want to wear spurs but don't have the experience to be among the elite of  Blast Away, Roger or M-Clean isnt exactly their raison d'etre.

As Kevin so rightly explained, you cant teach experience. When i first started with hypo i had to get the mix right, tried different ratios, killed grass/flowers/used too much or too little and had to work out the best/fastest/cost effective process that worked for me. That took a few different jobs, with some mistakes but i learnt, and im still learning.

Guys on here can only give you so much info, then you need to get on site and try it out, spend time, test things, be creative.

And for the record, EVERYTHING i have written in my above post, can be found on here, using the search button. Your not the first bunch of guys to ask about hypo (i was asking about it once) and you wont be the last, the answers are the same, and have been answered before.. The only thing i needed to be told, was what hypo actually was, most of the other stuff i found on here..

[Matt Gibson]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

I find this too, they are quick to tell you when you make a mistake but very slow with any help or advise. Its obviously a 'local forum for local people'.

David

That's a pretty unfair comment!

There are guys on here who spend a lot of their valuable time trying to help others.  Very often advice is offered which may come across as criticism but you need to remember the majority of people offering advice on here have a wealth of knowledge and moreover a lot of experience.  Please remember one thing that cannot be taught is "Experience"!  Ultimately my point is whilst the help is offered and yes sometimes albeit with a bit of banter you can be pointed in the right direction but then you need to do a little research and digging of your own as well.  Some people request advice and almost want the person to come and do the job for them!

Finally it is an excellent forum and well worth being a member of in my opinion!

Kev Martin
Marblelife ltd
Tiling Logistics

I'm not trying to be mean or controversial, its simply my impression of this forum. A bit of an old boys club. The banter is great, I just feel real quality help to a newbie is sadly lacking. I don't need anybody to do a job for me and I will figure it out myself if I have to, but I guess I am used to the window cleaning forum which has its fair share if clowns but is very helpful.

Mate, you have just answered your own question. Your a window cleaner first and foremost, and im guessing pressure washing is an add on to you? Pressure washing/exterior cleaning is what all of us do, day in day out, its our business. we do nothing else. Most guys are of the mind that ''why should we give our tips and secrets away to a guy who does it on the side''? i think along the same lines.

Also, your profile isnt very forthcoming, it gives your location, no name, no website? you could be my direct competition for all i or anyone else knows.. ya get me?

[Rob_Mac]

Good post Kevin

To add to that - We have become a society that expects instant responses, Facebook mentality is everywhere and if we don't get an immediate reply it is easy to try and put individuals down.

I have been on the forum for ten years, first in the window cleaning section and now down here for four or five years (can't remember). I have seen every question asked a million times but I don't want to answer every question - i'm further along the train than some but not as close to first class as others (big Rog & Lee ) and the repetitivity (is that spelt right?) of some questions is lazy because we don't try and find out.

I would not ask a question on the open forum as I wouldn't want to look like an idiot (my perspective), I would do it the old fashion way by searching and finding out. When I knew something about it I would then confirm it on here - if it needed it.

I have an old school way of thinking - get your hands dirty by digging for what you need, fall over and get bruises and that will make you and your business much stronger.

There is something that cannot be taught and cannot be searched for or found out by asking - QUALITY!

We all have different views on it and have our own personal ideals. I am glad I sit where I am because it is noticeably better and if it wasn't I would be doing everything I could to make it happen.

Rob  

[Matt Gibson]

Good post Kevin

To add to that - We have become a society that expects instant responses, Facebook mentality is everywhere and if we don't get an immediate reply it is easy to try and put individuals down.

I have been on the forum for ten years, first in the window cleaning section and now down here for four or five years (can't remember). I have seen every question asked a million times but I don't want to answer every question - i'm further along the train than some but not as close to first class as others (big Rog & Lee ) and the repetitivity (is that spelt right?) of some questions is lazy because we don't try and find out.

I would not ask a question on the open forum as I wouldn't want to look like an idiot (my perspective), I would do it the old fashion way by searching and finding out. When I knew something about it I would then confirm it on here - if it needed it.

I have an old school way of thinking - get your hands dirty by digging for what you need, fall over and get bruises and that will make you and your business much stronger.

There is something that cannot be taught and cannot be searched for or found out by asking - QUALITY!

We all have different views on it and have our own personal ideals. I am glad I sit where I am because it is noticeably better and if it wasn't I would be doing everything I could to make it happen.

Rob  

Yes, Thats spelt perfectly correct Rob..

[Rob_Mac]

Sorry Matt

I ought to have added you to actually being in the 1st class carriage

Rob

[Matt Gibson]

Nah mate, im in the galley.. Washing the pots.. 

[Rob_Mac]

Simon

You know you have a big 'tache and curly hair

Calm down, calm down

Rob

[davids3511]

Hypo has been discussed to death on here recently and previously. do a search and you will find out where to buy, how to use, do's & dont's.

Most chemical suppliers will stock it. if not swimming pool maintenance companies will sell it.

Matt , like I say I know it has been talked about alot but certain questions haven't been answered so I posted a link so hopefully someone who isn't busy could help, to save me scrolling for hours.
Thanks adam

I find this too, they are quick to tell you when you make a mistake but very slow with any help or advise. Its obviously a 'local forum for local people'.

David

That's a pretty unfair comment!

There are guys on here who spend a lot of their valuable time trying to help others.  Very often advice is offered which may come across as criticism but you need to remember the majority of people offering advice on here have a wealth of knowledge and moreover a lot of experience.  Please remember one thing that cannot be taught is "Experience"!  Ultimately my point is whilst the help is offered and yes sometimes albeit with a bit of banter you can be pointed in the right direction but then you need to do a little research and digging of your own as well.  Some people request advice and almost want the person to come and do the job for them!

Finally it is an excellent forum and well worth being a member of in my opinion!

Kev Martin
Marblelife ltd
Tiling Logistics

I'm not trying to be mean or controversial, its simply my impression of this forum. A bit of an old boys club. The banter is great, I just feel real quality help to a newbie is sadly lacking. I don't need anybody to do a job for me and I will figure it out myself if I have to, but I guess I am used to the window cleaning forum which has its fair share if clowns but is very helpful.

Mate, you have just answered your own question. Your a window cleaner first and foremost, and im guessing pressure washing is an add on to you? Pressure washing/exterior cleaning is what all of us do, day in day out, its our business. we do nothing else. Most guys are of the mind that ''why should we give our tips and secrets away to a guy who does it on the side''? i think along the same lines.

Also, your profile isnt very forthcoming, it gives your location, no name, no website? you could be my direct competition for all i or anyone else knows.. ya get me?

I guess I expected too much of this forum. When I started window cleaning a lad from that forum, who is my direct competition, brought me out, showed me the ropes, thought me how to price properly. We're still good friends to this day and continue to help each other out. His business is thriving as is mine. I'm at least on speaking terms with most of the big local cleaners who come on that forum.

I've seen the same on the carpet cleaning forum. Offers of 'come out with us for a day'. Not on this forum though, I'd be afraid I'd never be seen again aka Trevor Jordache (showing my age:-) )

As for doing it on the side, how do you know I don't have plans to make it a major part of my business. But you guys won't like that either. Your post could just as easily have read 'why should we give our tips and secrets away to a guy who might become major competion'? Newbies can't win either way. Like I said 'local forum for local people' confirmed when you have to try to justify why it is so unhelpful.

Rob - quality is an attitude, I don't mind getting dirty but I have no interest in falling over and getting bruises because invariably its someone else's property that's in reality getting the bruise. I try to be totally prepared and in full control of what I'm doing or I am not happy. I don't like learning by mistakes, I prefer to research and get it right first time.

If only this forum was so quick with replies when a newbie needs help as it is when its members feel slighted......

[Rob_Mac]

I am not going to be drawn into an argument but I have to say that I post regularly and try and help out as much as I can.

We are a small group of people down here, who take it very seriously and it has been that way for a long time. There isn't the interest in this section that there is in the window cleaning side, it is a little niche, that may be a good thing or a bad thing, I don't care.

I think for a lot of the guys on here - working domestic - it is already a small market and an influx of carpet cleaners & window cleaners may be viewed as more competition than is necessary, I can't speak for them.

I have seen some pretty crap machines being bought by people recently, who on their websites have claims that they are offering a professional service and are well equipped and capable. I know we all have to start somewhere but some of us are bobbing about like excited school kids and really don't know but expect to use other peoples experience.

A £300.00 pressure washer may offer a level of professionalism but it wont compare to what a £10 000 pressure washer offers. I don't use hypo because I don't need to (this has been debated before) but I have bought to suit my needs and the speed that is required to get substantial works completed in a very short time.

I will offer to anyone a free day with me, what do you need - IPAF, CSCS card, full waterproofs a machine that will run for ten hours per day.

We all have to go into the real world as novices at some point, that is where the mistakes will be made, when we are doing something that we don't have a full grasp of. It's ok to bruise something - bruises are minor and go away, it is not okay to break something, if you do it is the way it is handled that will show how professional you are.

My quality may start as an attitude but it is shown as an end product and also in how I interact both in person and on a public forum!

Rob

[davids3511]

I don't want an argument either but the back slapping for being so helpful was ringing hollow to me. At least we have had some reality on this post regarding hostility to newcomers.

I'll bugger off back to the slums of the window cleaning forums now as I am obviously lowering the tone on here.

[Rob_Mac]

That hopefully hasn't come from my posts.

I can see from your profile that you are in South Manchester, in easy reach of affluent areas but I cannot see anything else about you.

Maybe do it a bit differently. Come on the general cleaning section and introduce yourself, say what your aspirations are moving forward, show a website (if there is one), help me to help you.

This all started with a post by Roger (who is very well thought of, on here and other forums (not cleaning related). He knows his stuff.

I have met him, bought kit off him and speak to him regularly, I consider him a friend, similarly I have met Simon, Lee and several others who post on this part of the forum, they are all great lads who will help people out and I think that is where the difference is between this section and the window cleaning side, we do all genuinely know each other.

I hope that you do really well and build a phenomenal business, that is professional & everything else but there is a clash there as well, Lee (Blastaway) works in a similar area, would I want you to do well over him, I have known him on here longer, I have recently worked with him (right grueller of a day!!!), I don't think I would but I doubt that he would be bothered by your business being in his way.

If I can help you grow a successful business, that will have integrity and capability i will be happy to give you advice, as will the others - it would give me a great deal of satisfaction if you grew or made the right decision because of my input.

To come on here and call the members is not going to win anyone any popularity contests, possibly the responses that you are calling a judgement on may have to do more with how they were interpreted and responded to.

My number is 07919 425664 - give me a call anytime and if I can help you I will

Rob

[H20cleaning]

I see what everyone is saying " you make mistakes and learn from them" that's true but when your sometimes talking about a £10,000 patio or drive I would prefer help to understand a product alot of people Swear by:) I have the answers I need now anyway, thanks all

[Rob_Mac]

If you're working on a £10 000 patio you really should know what you are doing, if you don't then maybe work with someone who does

Rob

[chris scott]

h20cleaning
Don't take it to heart...they all take the p out of me. Rob especially!

[Rob_Mac]

Hello Mo!

Back from the emerald isle.

What is your game plan on the oil and 100 000 sqm of cleaning?

Rob

[chris scott]

Solvent stripping and relaying the worst....

[Rob_Mac]

Nameless

The Thor I have has a larger inlet and is only supplied by one hose from the tank but it is 1 inch, the H & M has two 22mm inlets.

Chris

Have you got the whole 100 000 sqm?

Rob

[chris scott]

There is 2 small towns to seal...the staining relates to approx 5% of the area. Kebab oil,fish and chip grease ,taxi and bus oil on white granite setts.

[Rob_Mac]

Are you doing both. Is there not a Smartseal guy in Ireland that would be better placed?

Second question - Is the Smartseal principle  about one central point sharing all info or all info from smaller operators going to one central point?

Rob

[H20cleaning]

If you're working on a £10 000 patio you really should know what you are doing, if you don't then maybe work with someone who does

Rob

haha i doubt you would want to come to middlesborough! and i dont take it to heart it amuses me lol

[chris scott]

Are you doing both. Is there not a Smartseal guy in Ireland that would be better placed?

Second question - Is the Smartseal principle  about one central point sharing all info or all info from smaller operators going to one central point?

Rob

Interesting question ....why are you thinking of becoming a Smartseal contractor?
 If quote " all info from smaller operators going to one central point?" it would be an insurmountable amount of knowledge possibly contained within the confines of a postage stamp (according to the forum gurus).
I doubt if you would care to be part of that ...so in what context should consider the question.
I unlike your self do not keep all my chicken embryos in one container....i would more consider myself an industrial prostitute.
 

[Rob_Mac]

No - I have no intention of changing my operation, Genuinely interested in how it works

I have to say that the last sentence was a little misguided. You have absolutely no idea what else I have going on and I choose not to share any of it with the forum or yourself.

I will say that I am not bound by a little nuisance, such as a mortgage or rental on a property

Rob

[chris scott]

You have absolutely no idea what else I have going on and I choose not to share any of it with the forum or yourself.

I will say that I am not bound by a little nuisance, such as a mortgage or rental on a property

Rob

Ditto

[Simon@Pristine Pathways]

One question about hypo suppliers and 48 replies and all hell breaks out!
Great bed time reading.I have had loads of help from loads of people on this site learned loads...

I used to think is was good.....now I know I am.

[Roger Oakley]

Solvent stripping and relaying the worst....

Chris
Did you try the 3 step approach in the original topic I replied to, for the paving you are talking about in Ireland?

[CleanClear]

Dont class me as one of them...we hate scousers
..dont be mistaken and dont be mislead we are not scousers were from birkenhead....
So stick your cathedrals and your pierhead we are not scousers were from birkenhead...

Against modern football.

    Don't forget to tell them you can always tell someone from the Wirral even though they "sound' like a scouser. Its more camp and effeminate, just exactly like lilly savage 

[chris scott]

Solvent stripping and relaying the worst....

Chris
Did you try the 3 step approach in the original topic I replied to, for the paving you are talking about in Ireland?

Yep it was more your 2 step approach as I had no HF.  
70% of the stain came out but due to the almost white paving it's no where near enough (the DuPont flouropolymer is completely invisible on the surface so we cannot disguise any imperfections) . Just to make matters worse anything that is used needs to be biodegradable for the rain water gutters.
My mates mixing something up in his shed. A solvent that will penetrate the stone better(taking the surfactants with it) and although not biodegradable it evaporates about 30  c so it will never  make it to the grid.

[Roger Oakley]

Solvent stripping and relaying the worst....

Chris
Did you try the 3 step approach in the original topic I replied to, for the paving you are talking about in Ireland?

Yep it was more your 2 step approach as I had no HF.  
70% of the stain came out but due to the almost white paving it's no where near enough (the DuPont flouropolymer is completely invisible on the surface so we cannot disguise any imperfections) . Just to make matters worse anything that is used needs to be biodegradable for the rain water gutters.
My mates mixing something up in his shed. A solvent that will penetrate the stone better(taking the surfactants with it) and although not biodegradable it evaporates about 30  c so it will never  make it to the grid.

You might be able to the last 30% with this,
http://www.steintec.co.uk/product/146/WEISSGR

I use this and it is good, as usual not a cheap product, might be worth seeing if they will send you a sample, they do, do them. Let me know and I can give you names to speak to at Steintec if you want.

Not completely what you might be asked to supply re the gutters, but I think you might struggle to find a completely Bio product to do the job.
Time you have flushed/cleaned off the concentrate will be diluted down to a minimal amount.
There is a MSDS sheet on the site for the product.

[chris scott]

Thank you. They have Teflon too...WEISS StainProtect Profi.

[Roger Oakley]

Thank you. They have Teflon too...WEISS StainProtect Profi.

Not used it but supposed to be quite good, again I have sample of the porfi to try along with the one you sent me, as well as couple of others to trail along side each other, as soon as I get a chance I will do the test's