*paul_moss

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Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« on: December 30, 2003, 07:25:22 pm »
Would just like to bounce this one off somebody to see if i am approaching it right.

Been to see a customer today who wants a number of carpets cleaned in her house.

13 year old wool carpets which go right through the house. Nice peach shaded carpets that have been looked after over the years the peach shade design varies between dark peach to just off white.

No problem with cleaning them I thought untill AHHHH

I spotted all the white bleach marks.

There must be about 20 of them dotted around the house from a small spot up to the size of a 50 pence.

My little cleaning lady did them she said trying to remove the dark stains in the carpet ( bless her little cotton socks )

yes I said and she has certainly removed the dark stains for you and left you with some nice white ones.

I am thinking of dying the bleached areas if I can find some peach colour dye that will blend in.

Could any body tell me if they have tried this before and am I approaching this problem in the right way.
If so what would be the best type of dye to use.

Paul
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Ken Wainwright

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2003, 07:39:25 pm »
Paul

Yes you are thinking along the right lines, but no, don't do it. Colour repair is quite involved and technical (to the uninitiated).  You'll need to strip any protector, neatralise the bleach, clean the spot....... the list goes on. You don't colour the yarn as you would say a wall with paint, you have to take into account the damaged colour then adjust. e.g if the spot was yellow and you added blue you would end up with a green spot. You also then need to adjust for shade and lustre etc. The results will never be perfect, but better than before. You also need to use a dye suitable to the fibre you are colouring, not a general purpose one. I'd suggest finding someone suitably trained and qualified. It's a premium service at a premium price. If madam is still interested, suggest she enquires as to whether she is covered by her contents insurance.
Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken
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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 08:27:10 pm »
Thanks Ken for your advice.

On a different subject What bike you ridin

Paul
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Ken Wainwright

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 10:35:20 pm »
Diversion 600, Krausers all round, Hagons front & back :) Do you ride Paul?
Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken
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Ivar_Haglund

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Re: BLEACH STAINS ARE EASY
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2003, 01:59:05 am »
You may think I'm nutz but here it goes

old carpet dyers trick

get some crayons YES crayons big box lots of colours

make a colour match on paper

then colour the carpet

If the colour is not quite right a little solvent will remove

If colour match is good

get a steam iron and cotton towel

put on stain this will remove the wax and set the dye.


IVAR ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

*paul_moss

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2003, 11:20:34 am »
Ken
I got a Suzuki Intruder 800 for summer cruzzzzing with the  missus 8) 8) 8) 8), a 1200 bandit with a full kit on (bhp 125) for my rebel days :o :o :o :o .
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The other guys prob think we are mad Ken but as you will know............ NOTHIN BEATS IT......................

Paul
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*paul_moss

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2003, 11:23:42 am »
Ivor
Thanks kindly for the reply.
The lady wants the stains hidden and wants me to try and do something with a no issues on me if it does not work out,so I will try out your idea on a small area to see if it works.

Regards
Paul
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woodman

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2003, 06:37:01 pm »
Paul, Retufting is the way to go.

Forget about dying it's a waste of time and money as Ken says it's very involved.There used to be a company called Rainbow (not the franchise) that used to carry this out don't know what happened to them but not around any more.

If she has small dots of bleach you can easily rectify this by re-tufting.Even the large spots can be done.

use tufts taken from around the edge or from a mat of the same carpet.

If you can't do this contact someone who can, might invlove a bit of ringing around  and watch how it's done.
It's a very usefull skill to have and is not as difficult as you might imagine.

Good Luck

Ken Wainwright

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2003, 07:38:33 pm »
So Paul Moss is the Wheelie Meister. ;D
And he's cool in shades 8)

W.O.F.O

Ken
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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2004, 04:23:22 pm »
Woody
Thanks for the reply
I will do some ringing around on Monday.

Paul
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md_cleaning

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Re: bleach stains
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2004, 09:47:42 pm »
Ivar,
     That is a brilliant idea about the crayons ::) There is so much to learn on here.
    Dave.

Dynafoam

Re: bleach stains
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2004, 10:50:10 pm »
Paul,

Woodman has advised well, following his advice will also give you a free training course as a bonus.

Dave,

Ivars' tip regarding the use of crayon pigment does indeed work well, especialy on strong colours, but for paler pigments I prefer to use the special felt-tips intended for DIY Tee-shirts. These can be purchased from many craft shops and cover a wide range of colours. Always have a suitable spotter to hand when using, so that any mistakes can be corrected.

John.

*paul_moss

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2004, 02:10:51 pm »
John

Thanks for the tip with the T Shirt pens.

To all Thanks  :) for the response to this Subject.

I have to say that the Help and advice on this Web site is superb.

Happy New Year

Paul
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Caesar

Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2004, 05:54:10 pm »
FIRST OF ALL IF BLEACH ON WOOL.rEMEMBER IT IS EITHER FIBER DAMGED OR BACKING DELIMINATION ALSO.cHLORINE IS VERY BAD FOR WOOL.iT DISOLVES IT.fIND OUT MORE THEN EMAIL ME.i GOT TO RUN RUGHT NOW... whoops sorry about cap lock.

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2004, 10:28:38 am »
Ken is always on about training courses.

When I went to Ashbys Chris (Guy who has written Marketing Manual)

Said best way to deal with it was to use some dylon. And  mix colours until you get to correct shade.

Never tried it as I do not feel confident enough to perform task on someone elses carpet for a fee.

Retufting looks good saw it at Altec Open Day and as many of you know they do a one day course on it.

But is demand sufficient to justify cost, is it just a nice to know, and to give you supperiority over over carpet cleaners.  ;D  ;D

Ken Wainwright

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2004, 05:15:08 pm »
Hi Ian

My IICRC Colour Repair Instructor was quite adamant that the Dylon cotton and universal type of dyes should not be used for colour repair on wool and nylon carpets. I can't remember the reasons why, but it may be because of the long term effectiveness. You state that Ashby's encourage using these Dylon type of dyes, prepared to the closest shade. I've no experience of this type of colour matching, but it would be reasonable to presume that as with the Prism Colour Repair Kit from Chemspec and others, you would need to take into account the colour of the yarn you are dyeing, e.g. you add a blue dye to a yellow yarn to give a green colour. Again, like the Prism kit, you will need to neutralise or strip any soil/contaminants/protectors first, and add a mordaunt to set the dye.


I would agree that, in purely cost/return terms, Colour Repair may not be cost effective unless you were to market the service aggresivelly, and again I would agree that it is  a valuable addition to any technician's CV. When it comes to treating 1 small bleached spot, the repair can be time consuming, but you'll still get a return of about £40 for half an hours work or so. But if you were repairing a larger stained area, producing, for example,  a £100 return, you would only add about 10 minutes to your time on site as you will still only be preparing the one dye batch (per colour). Re-tufting is quite often an effective, quicker and easier route, and letting in a "patch" can be carried out successfully too on larger areas. Colour Repair can be successful on spots/stains small and large, and the real big money can be matching the colour/blending in  mis-matched dye batches on new installations or light faded areas, but I've never done that sort of work.

I've never marketed my Colour Repair work particularly well, but I've seen most of the repairs I've done and re-cleaned the carpets without any problems at all. Naturally, my customers are delighted and it would be very difficult to put a monetary value on that. As a professional carpet cleaner, I would not be comfortable offering any service without suitable training.

Safe and happy cleaning:)
Ken
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Ian Gourlay

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2006, 07:11:11 am »
Id be interested to know if anyones been on a Colour repair Course and how often they put it into practice

George-Reid

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2006, 07:32:41 am »
Hi Ian
I have been trained in colour dyeing and rematching.

Complete dye jobs I would not touch with a barge pole just to much hassle.

Dye sites in wool carpet which has been bleached it is very unlikely you could redye as their is nothing for the dye to attach to.

We used to do a small amount of dye work but a much bigger amount of retufting easy 2 or 3 jobs a week Imagine a burn in a hotel reception carpet ruins the look of the reception you can retuft and charge a premium.

20 small spots and up to 50p size I would have done a retuft price dependant on value of carpet.

Cheers

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Dan Williams

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2006, 01:10:22 pm »
Paul, if you really want to do an excellent job on this, see if your customer has got a bit of spare carpet, get it and get the lady with the cotton socks and ask her to bleach the spare bit of carpet  as she did and then you can experiment with your dyes and the great pieces of knowledge above. Skies the limit.

Not only will you be better off with the carpet you will also be a great carpet dyer.
But then again she probably does not have any spare carpet...
Just trying to help

dan

John Kelly

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2006, 03:06:21 pm »
Fabric pens as mentioned are a good idea and I have used them succesfully in the past. Its worth carrying a selection of different colours. Ideal for touching up small areas where the 1001s been out. Always qualify with the customer that it may not be perfect but will be an improvement in appearance. Beauty of these pens is that they are heat set. You can try different colours, just wipe off until you find a good match then heat set with an iron over a terry towel, its then permanent.

carpetclean

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2006, 03:58:55 pm »
find this subject fascinating. does anyone know of a carpet repair and colour course around the surrey area
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John Kelly

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2006, 04:05:43 pm »
Contact the National Flood School in Farnham they might have something coming up in the future.
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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2007, 03:47:00 pm »
find this subject fascinating. does anyone know of a carpet repair and colour course around the surrey area

I live in the USA and do colour repair as my main job. If any of you have any questions on this, please email me. I am always happy to assist anyone with colour repair. You can use my system without training. My e-mail address is jerry@carpetcolorrepair.com

Web address is www.spotdye.com

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Re: Re-dyeing bleach stains?
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 04:20:08 pm »
looks interesting shame the website is not working correctly!