[Ian Gourlay]

I know Ive been down this route before.

And yes a truck mount would be nice.

But acording to my calculations a truck mount would have to pick up 4800 inch of water to be 20 x more powerful.

Ive looked through last years prochem cat and the starter  truck mounts dont apear to pick up more water than the top end portables.

[John_Flynn]

My T/M was taken off the road last Thursday because of an accident, I've managed to borrow a Ninja from a fellow cleaner (thank you Richard), if you want to see  a grown man cry come and watch me working .

My T/M is not the most powerful, but I seem to have taken 25 steps backwards since it went off the road.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating!!!

Use a T/M Ian and NO WAY will you want to go back to a Porty.

[lee_gundry]

ian a tm is 20 times more powerful than a portable.

a truckmount has more bits other than a vac.

Lee G

[lee_gundry]

ian

can you name a portable in the prochem cat that produces around 470cfm,s

Lee G

[mark_roberts]

Its just good marketing.  At the wand is were it counts.

[Mike Halliday]

Mark, since when was misleading customers good marketing?

A truckmount does have more 'power' but where does the 20x more power come from.

A portable pumps at 100psi and yes you can get truckmounts with 2000psi pumps but who uses 2000psi to clean carpets

if you use 20x more heat than a portable then you'll melt the carpet


The vacuum is where a truckmount certainly wipes the floor with a portable, but 20 times more powerfull, I'd like to see some statistics to back this up.

Mike

[lee_gundry]

the true fact that the statement of 20 times more powererful comes from the combanation of all the factors of a tm compaired to a portable.

Horse power
pressure
heat
cfm

the statement of 20 times more powerful has been checked and is a TRUE fact.

yes it is a very good marketing tool,Also i still offer a portable unit, cleaning service at a cheaper rate,but not 1 person has chose the portable over the TRUE DEEP CLEANING process of a tm & its experienced operator.

Lee G

[mark_roberts]

Its not misleading its just choosing which parts of the story suit your offering.

IE. shaws only recommend HWE for carpet cleaning
steam damages carpets
no steam, shampoo, chemicals etc

You know what I mean.

cheers
mark

[Mike Halliday]

Well it must be true if Lee says so : :


Mark, giving selective information is done to mislead the customer, why not give them all the information and let them decide.

the statement '20 x more powerfull than electric machines' is quoted to make the customer believe they will receive a better clean  from a truckmount user than from someone else using a portable.


if you want to impress your customers then do it with the quality of your work not the size of your thingy oops... sorry a bit of a Freudian slip, meant to say truckmount


modify:  i can't believe they won't allow you to use the correct word for the male sex organ, and replace it with 'thingy'

[lee_gundry]

mike
as you know i have been pulled up by a certain national francise company with a few quotes i have used in my advertising,before i ran these ads i checked out the statements i was using ,this also included the 20 times etc,The results were not my own ,these were the results from 3 different carpet cleaning technical support.

i will post a copy for you to prove that the statement i use is true.

Lee (out cleanes any other system)G

[Glynn]

LeeIthought they were 23 times more powerfull ?
Think I should get a few grand back .

Glynn "out cleans Lee" Waterworth

[Tony_Browning]

My Portables 230 Times more powerful than a mop and bucket!!!

[Len Gribble]

Hi Lee

You must have received the same letter from the same franchisor as I did, were you a new boy on the block in your area at that time, I was and wrote back to them (I won’t go into what I said) never heard from them again.

Won’t get into any debate re power, the only reason I purchased a t/m was speed (time cost money)

Len

[lee_gundry]

len

i contacted the head ofice about the letter & he said he had a complaint from one of his operators in my area,about the quote i used on my ad.He also said that i was talking a lot of  work from the operator & he had to be seen, following up on the complaint.In turn i chainged to wording slightly.

Lee G

[Len Gribble]

Hi Lee

That was generous of you, I had a similar reply but I’m not that generous, phone call to them how much will you pay me to change I ask! Phone went down. I still kept the wording.  Sorry to the franchisees in my area but business is business.

How did they know, that you were taking the franchisees business away from him.

I know this is not a part of this post if a franchisor thinks they can beat-up on a independent what are they doing to there own?

Len

[Ian Gourlay]

If I cant sleep tonight, ill get out prochem cat

and compare soecs yet again.

I must admit im fed up with all that lifting

Although Ive just enrolled at a fittness centre.

[lee_gundry]

len

the guy at head office has had a few prob with the operator,said he was a pain,he just said you are taking work from him & this is his way to moan about it.

Lee G

[Lee]

Its my understanding that the max horse power produced by a 13 amp plug is 1.5 hp. so...... wait for it (maths time) 20 times 1.5 horse power give us ........30 horse power. Well mines a 52 hp so I think I need to change the wording on my van! We Lee's will always stick together.

[Ian Gourlay]

OK

But what about electric truck mounts

[Lee]

Well I stand to be corrected but they still plug in using a standard 13 amp plug do they not.