Paul Moss

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Pressure washer advice
« on: May 25, 2015, 05:08:43 pm »
Ok guys I'm looking for a new pressure washer , mainly for driveway pcleaning etc, I want cold water washer.
Which one is best to get at the moment for price with regards to power. I would like petrol or diesel and with a decnt pump at around 2 litres per minute and Prob a 13 hp honda.

wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2015, 05:20:24 pm »
What is your budget ?


Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2015, 06:54:44 pm »
Ok guys I'm looking for a new pressure washer , mainly for driveway pcleaning etc, I want cold water washer.
Which one is best to get at the moment for price with regards to power. I would like petrol or diesel and with a decnt pump at around 2 litres per minute and Prob a 13 hp honda.

At 21LPM on a GX390 you will get 170 - 190 Bar depending on the manufacturer and the poetic license they employ when selling the machine.  I'd go gearbox personally - high speed are never quite as long lasting and prime less quickly (RS500 GB is best) These machines are available for less than £1300. Also try to avoid the red trolleys as they vibrate like hell and make a cracking racket :)

If your budget is larger go for a 14/16HP Briggs and stratton V-Twin and get 250 Bar @ 22Lpm.

If you want diesel be prepared to pay the initial premium as Diesel engines are far more expensive to use on a machine build. The new range of Yanmar engines are excellent on electric start but you are limited to 11HP.

There is nothing mind blowing available on a diesel until you get up to the 2G40 Hatz engines at the moment.

Ben
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Paul Moss

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2015, 07:03:58 pm »
Dave, I meant 21 lpm. The one you have is only 15 lpm, I have a similar machine at the moment but need a bigger pump.
Ben £1300 is about right. Do you have a link or can tell me who does this type of machine you advise for 1300

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chris scott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 08:10:01 pm »
Ok guys I'm looking for a new pressure washer , mainly for driveway pcleaning etc, I want cold water washer.
Which one is best to get at the moment for price with regards to power. I would like petrol or diesel and with a decnt pump at around 2 litres per minute and Prob a 13 hp honda.
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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 08:26:15 pm »
Cheers guys. Just as a matter of interest, what's your views on this one some body has sent me a link to look at buying.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331473307257?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 08:37:42 pm »
Loncin are the only good Honda copy but warranty is not good with them - I personally hate galv trolleys - they are cheap and look it to your clients. Also note how thin the metal work is, again very cheap to make but there are better out there - even the old dual pumps black trolleys are better.

It's an annovi pump which are not as good as interpump. Belts do not last forever and need tensioning - yes they keep cool but the pulleys seize onto the shafts as they are exposed to water contact. Also need to keep a spare belt.

The hose and quick release are all Chinese - hose is not rated to 400 bar - the small BE style couplings are very cheap and again I personally dislike the BE type as they are much smaller internally and restrict water flow. Lance is hp350 trigger again Chinese import - turbo nozzle is a Chinese copy looks to be a rato no where near the quality of the pa Italian original.
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Paul Moss

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2015, 08:41:25 pm »
Ben Thx for your time.

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2015, 08:44:13 pm »
No worries :) I spend half time sending emails I actually rather enjoy it :) - Nailsea / red trolley machines are much better than the Jetmac ones in terms of build quality.  Dual pumps are better again as trolleys are made in the UK etc
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Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2015, 08:50:40 pm »
Just to add Ben is ace, you won't go far wrong using him my new Honda gx390 is excellent

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 09:48:23 pm »
Great, all we need now is for Ben to do a ciu member discount 😜

Jettaway

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2015, 09:57:08 pm »
Are your Honda gx390 21lpm single feed?

Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 10:00:45 pm »
My first was twin fed from qwashers.
Bens is single feed ( larger inlet pipe ) I have now done this to the qwashers machine, not only on bens advice but my local pressure washing company.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2015, 10:10:08 pm »
As Darren says Ben won't mess you about, and he's most very helpful.

No discount for new ciu !

Discount for referrals from guys already bought off him !!

I reckon chris has smashed it  ;D

chris scott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2015, 10:17:56 pm »
Cheers guys. Just as a matter of interest, what's your views on this one some body has sent me a link to look at buying.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331473307257?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Chinese poope…apart from the pump. The irish man who sells them does not have the best rep for aftersales service if/when it goes wrong. Plus it is a return to base warranty (ireland) so that will cost you £50 on a pallet.
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2015, 11:32:27 pm »
My first was twin fed from qwashers.
Bens is single feed ( larger inlet pipe ) I have now done this to the qwashers machine, not only on bens advice but my local pressure washing company.

Darran
What is the idea about converting twin feed to larger one hose please ?

Paul Moss

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2015, 06:22:49 am »
I would guess better draw for the larger pump

wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2015, 06:41:03 am »
I would guess better draw for the larger pump
If it twin feed it will draw water better anyway won't it ?

Matt Gibson

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2015, 07:42:48 am »
I dont see the point in using a larger feed hose as the inlet on the pump is only a certain size (1/2" from memory)

wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2015, 09:56:45 am »
I am confused ( doesn't take a lot )  ;D

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2015, 10:14:36 am »
Twin feed machines are built specifically for Q-Washers (Damien) by a company called Nailsea power cleaning based in Bristol.

The idea with this is that using two feeds allows a 21lpm or greater pump to feed better and with less cavitation / water resistance whilst also keeping the outer piston supplied with water.... BIGGEST LOAD OF BS

Yes the actual inlet port on most pumps is only 1/2 but its getting the maximum amount of flow to this point with minimum resistance that is important. Splitting the feed theoretically splits the priming ability of the pump...  DP who deal with interpump warranty are declining to deal with warranty on twin fed machines supplied with 1/2 hose.

Look at the THOR machine for instance 1 1/4" hose 51LPM

Firstly the feeds on these two feed machines are done in 1/2" hose on a Brass coloured weighted filter which has at its smallest point an 11mm hole. Every time water meets any fitting or metal surface this causes friction which causes the gases suspended in the liquid to break down (air bubbles).

Using a single 1" hose and feed reduces friction exponentially by reducing friction on the water by decreasing the overall contact area with the water, this reduces cavitation and allows the pump to feed better. consider a centrifugal pump - on 1" hose you can pump up to 500 lpm? This surely raises question when you are told you cannot feed 21 on 3/4"?

Up to 21LPM we use 3/4" hose with 3/4 filters etc Q use 2 x 1/2 y strainers again the more fittings you use the greater the resistance.. this water then has to go through the quick release fittings -  through the hydraulic fittings uses to get the water around the corner... NEVER put an inlet on a bend.... like a river which erodes on the inner bend caused by the breakdown of suspended air molecules which then erodes than bank and migrates the path of the river- you are drawing this air into your pump.

The idea that the outer piston is starved of water is rubbish -  until you get to the K series @ 500lpm 1000 Bar you have 3 pistons which reciprocate in the same way a car engine would, only one piston is using the water on its outlet stroke at any one time, the other pistons are on the inlet or pre inlet stokes pulling water into the pump... how can one be starved? Admittedly on most pumps the use of an easy prime valve is essential to aid priming - it is always better to positively feed a pump with gravity rather than sucking / drawing water from over the top of something,  again the U shape created in the pipe holds a small amount of air which again interrupts water flow.
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Sorry if boring but thats most of how it works any questions do ask :) 

Might be able to sort out a discount for CIU members...... :) GOOD IDEA
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2015, 12:43:43 pm »
That is easy for you to say  ;D

wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2015, 12:51:10 pm »
Thank you for that in depth answer.      Will my machine be actually producing 21 lpm  with the twin inlet feeds then ?      I do love the Honda machine , it is really well weighted for mobility.

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2015, 01:00:23 pm »
Thank you for that in depth answer.      Will my machine be actually producing 21 lpm  with the twin inlet feeds then ?      I do love the Honda machine , it is really well weighted for mobility.

Without putting it on a flow meter it is difficult to tell - I can't image that it will be far off 21lpm the point is that its false marketing for something that isn't necessary to begin with. I will set a machine up over the next few weeks on the same set-up and take some pictures of the results and post them, our paid thread should be up by then too, so I can put it on there.

The GX series are good engines - they are getting thirstier on fuel for some reason. :D
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2015, 03:50:18 pm »
It is interesting  getting different opinions about the washer setups.    Damian at Qwashers is passionate about pumps, and he swears by the twin feed system.      He is the old type of tradesman in that he only sells stuff that is made to last, and he spends ages talking you through the system.
I love going up there in the sticks, and watching him work, and listening to him.  Real family man too, and lovely seeing him pass on all his knowledge to his son.          He is not a a hard sell guy either, he has worked on stuff for me, and there is no way he has earned a penny profit doing it, he just loves his job  ;D

chris scott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2015, 05:43:06 pm »
Did not know it was that technical….I just thought a Gx390 was to small to turn a ws202 under load.
You learn something every day! ;D
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Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2015, 06:51:26 pm »
At the end of the day no matter who builds the machine they are sold through a distributor - Q Washers - Tech Clean - Spinaclean etc whilst they have the kit to sell them and repair them most won't spend the thousands of pounds required to get these machines tested properly.

To get VOSA in to certify for noise, vibration, load and pressure costs £495 per machine you have to have 5 of every machine you plan to build tested. So not only does it cost the best part of £3k per model you have to have 5 of very machine built up for them to drill holes into and then put sensors in. It costs a bloody fortune to make these things not only that but there is only 3 companies in the UK who interpump will sell to direct - Honda will only sell direct to certain people based on order volume, Briggs are even more particular as they won't let me manufacture with any other petrol engines.

A bucket is not the correct way to test a pumps efficiency or capability.... without knocking Nailsea in anyway there is a reason 90% of the machines built and sold globally do not use this dual feed system and if Interpump suddenly decide no more warranty it will get very expensive for them. Jetmac make some great stuff and some stuff I think is crap but he has said many times that like me he spends the better part of every call explaining why dual feed is not required.

I buy some nailsea machines for customers but Dave knows not to come near me with he dual feed tripe because he knows I'll ask him to prove it :)

 :D :D
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Jettaway

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2015, 08:28:01 pm »
Thanks for the detailed answer Ben.  You raise some good points in regards to bends etc.
So if Interpump don't want their pumps dual fed then why do they manufacture 2 inlets into their ws202?

Matt Gibson

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2015, 08:32:31 pm »
So you can have the feed in either side, depending on how your pumps mounted etc..

Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2015, 09:13:00 pm »
Thanks Ben, saved me a lot of typing there !!

The guys at my local pressure washer place have said virtually the same ( they supply nilfisk posiden and there own brand - commando )

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2015, 09:27:55 pm »
Interesting regarding hose in tank and having to suck water out the lid and over the top of tank, i have to use the tank I use for pure, would like a second tank but it's the space thing........

How would ya go about fitting the inlet hose into the lower part of the tank or is there a fitting you could add to the tank to supply machine, and how would you prevent any crap being sucked through

As always Ben........ Top post and great info

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2015, 09:36:00 pm »
How would ya go about fitting the inlet hose into the lower part of the tank or is there a fitting you could add to the tank to supply machine, and how would you prevent any crap being sucked through

I'd use a bulkhead fitting depending on the type of tank. Essentially you drill a hole and have a long threaded hollow tube with two rubber washers which you tighter against the tank to seal it - on the inside you can then put a basic mesh foot filter of any size and then on the outlet your hose barb to connect the outlet hose. :)

As always Ben........ Top post and great info -- CHEERS  ;)
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Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2015, 09:39:40 pm »
I've always gravity fed from a tank ( converted wheelie bin ) you can get a variety of tank connectors to drill in lower down.

Now feeding from 1000 litres IBC tank with 2" outlet, didn't need to find a mains supply at all today  ;D

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Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2015, 09:46:49 pm »
I've always gravity fed from a tank ( converted wheelie bin ) you can get a variety of tank connectors to drill in lower down.

Now feeding from 1000 litres IBC tank with 2" outlet, didn't need to find a mains supply at all today  ;D

Darran

MUCH EASIER!! :)
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Matt.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2015, 09:58:31 pm »
Thanks Ben, will you add what I need to my list please  ;D

Darran, I used my 650 L tank this morning and it took a hour or so and the lot was almost gone, had to take a break and get a hose going into tank,

As a second tank, how many litres does a wheelie bin hold, there is a little 250L tank in my garden  that I could  use and just about squeeeeeeeeeeeeeze in at a push in front of my main tank, if I move some of the 130 metre of high pressure hose, strap it to main tank.

Only concern is would it be any good or to small, obviously would be used when am filling off outside tap 😄

I did a job with a 400l tank and the supply tap was quite slow and ran out of water every half hour

Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2015, 10:15:13 pm »
A wheelie bin is around 200 Ltrs.

That's been the main issue as I've got more work time is wasted waiting for it to fill, and if the mains pressure is low then your out after 20 mins.

Today's job was halved by rolling up and washing straight away.

Last week I had both going for a roof job, we completed it 3 hrs and the lowest the IBC got was 200 Ltrs with the mains feeding the tank so a big buffer tank is a great step forward

Darran
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2015, 10:22:00 pm »
Similar to use, we turn up to job with 650 litres in tank, and feed customers supply into hozelock fitting on outside of van, and the tank has digital overflow sensor that stop flow when tank is full.    Gives you half hour start not having to wait for tank to fill.

I am defo going to put fitting on bottom for tank for the inlet, instead of putting pipes in top over lid.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2015, 09:48:56 am »
Which machine would give better results and also spin a whirlaway best.
15 lpm 4000 psi or 21 lpm 3000 psi

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2015, 10:42:46 am »
Go with flow over pressure if using a whirlaway.
A gearbox driven 15LPM machine will not produce more than 250 Bar / 3625PSI
A gearbox Driven 21LPM machine will not produce more than 200 Bar / 3000PSI (Most won't even do that because of the way they are manufactured)

Neither machine should cost more than £1300 odd with long hoses etc

I say WILL NOT thats not strictly true - you can get more out of the engines but they WILL NOT pass a Honda load test and should you ever need warranty the first thing the dealer will do is a load test - if you fail that (there is not enough range left on the govenor) your warranty is void.

It's very sneaky but saves honda a fortune in warranty every year.... B*******
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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2015, 05:49:20 pm »
Think this may explain the twin pipe suction  hose.
http://youtu.be/QVAzle2P9DY

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2015, 06:57:21 pm »
We posted a similar thing :) He's not wrong if a Loncin can get 21LPM a Honda can :D hahah
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serj shergill

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2015, 10:16:32 pm »
How would ya go about fitting the inlet hose into the lower part of the tank or is there a fitting you could add to the tank to supply machine, and how would you prevent any crap being sucked through

I'd use a bulkhead fitting depending on the type of tank. Essentially you drill a hole and have a long threaded hollow tube with two rubber washers which you tighter against the tank to seal it - on the inside you can then put a basic mesh foot filter of any size and then on the outlet your hose barb to connect the outlet hose. :)

As always Ben........ Top post and great info -- CHEERS  ;)

does anyone have any pics please,  as I feed my hose from the top. Would like to adapt my upright tank so I can draw water from the bottom half, so not defying gravity.  Thanks

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2015, 10:19:19 pm »
Will get one of our test tank tomorrow if you let me have an email address to send them too.

:)
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2015, 10:54:22 pm »
Ben, how long you been in the industry ?

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2015, 10:57:59 pm »
I did my training as it were working for one of the UK's largest manufacturers working on their new designs, getting hold of the new products / valves and pumps before any of the distributors even knew the kit existed.

Why? :)
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wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2015, 11:13:01 pm »
Just nosey  ;D

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2015, 11:20:06 pm »
It was the ideal background to the work we do here, I know the Italian suppliers / their products which are yet to be release and it allows me to go out to the likes of Hatz and say we'll buil with your engines if...

Hopefully when the new machines are released in July we'll be able to let the distributors have the new ranges. Something we are not yet doing. There's still a lot to do on the marketing side but there will be strip down videos for all the machines on YouTube etc for maintenance and repair purposes.
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Matt.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2015, 10:29:16 am »
Have you just paid 1800, for what's in the link.

If so Ben posted the machine should be costing you around the 1300 mark give or take, so you have paid 500 give or take for the hose reel to be mounted on your trolley.


Smudger

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2015, 11:52:31 am »
Have you just paid 1800, for what's in the link.

If so Ben posted the machine should be costing you around the 1300 mark give or take, so you have paid 500 give or take for the hose reel to be mounted on your trolley.

+1
But I didn't want to upset the guy

Darran
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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2015, 02:31:07 pm »
I don't want to upset him, I just asking a question,

I have some high pressure hose that I haven't opened I think it either 10 or 20m lengths, not 100% sure of exact cost but Ben will let you know................


............... There yours for £180 each  inc p&p.  ;D

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #53 on: May 28, 2015, 04:48:38 pm »
Have you just paid 1800, for what's in the link.

If so Ben posted the machine should be costing you around the 1300 mark give or take, so you have paid 500 give or take for the hose reel to be mounted on your trolley.
+1
But I didn't want to upset the guy

Darran
The same one without the 30m hose and reel is £1450 so shouldn't be far off.

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #54 on: May 28, 2015, 04:56:56 pm »
I've just ordered this one - http://www.jetmac.co.uk/shop/new-loncin-14-horse-power-21-litre-cool-drive-petrol-pressure-washer/
Hopefully I've made the right decision regarding flow rather than pressure (not engine)
What's happened to jetmacs Ebay shop, there's nothing on it?

wpclean

Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #55 on: May 28, 2015, 06:16:28 pm »
Good idea to buy a machine where you can take it back if there are any problems .

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #56 on: May 28, 2015, 07:14:43 pm »
I'm saying nothing  :)
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Paul Moss

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2015, 08:17:08 pm »
Neither am I  :)

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2015, 09:08:21 pm »
Good idea to buy a machine where you can take it back if there are any problems .
Good idea although not always possible and your not guaranteed any problems will be resolved. Look at window cleaning equipment there's some very expensive kit out there and its all coming from down south. It makes no difference to me whether I buy it from Paddy or south of the border.

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2015, 09:13:47 pm »
Can anyone tell me what the difference is between Interpumps ws202 and the evo3. Same or is one better?

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2015, 09:44:08 pm »
I maintain that jet Mac makes some good stuff - I just hate their frames everywhere you look they've tried to shave metal off to save money. Same goes for hose and lances... No issues with the belt drive to be honest as long as you keep a spare belt... There's a reason farm equipment moved over to gearboxes :)

The ws202 is the original 47 series pump from interpump - the evolution series was developed to try to extend seal life and standardise components across the range. The seal design has changed to support the Pistons more completely - the carriers have been extended and the crank has been moved slightly to increase overall contact with lubricant. Reducing internal temperature and extending oil and water seal life. They also produce more pressure and flow on the same engines - I suspect it's down to the crank setup and smoother strikes on Pistons.

The ws202 and the evo are very similar - don't let anyone tell you the evo are rubbish - they probably can't or aren't allowed to by them. They are slightly cheaper and the ws202 have been out longer but I haven't known an evo go wrong in three years heavy use.

Ref their eBay shop they sometimes sell more than they have in stock so close to prevent further orders.
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Matt.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2015, 10:06:43 pm »
That machine with the hose reel fitted is a very nice looking machine, before I bought mine from Rutland pumps I almost bought the exact same for £1100 or 2 for 2000 from a guy in Scotland, spoke with Chris and he says 2nd hand only worth 800 each ;D  I just think at 1800 you paid top price for it, this just means it will take a week longer to pay for  ;D in terms of jobs done.

Each to there own and am happy with we're I went and hope your as happy with yours


Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2015, 10:24:33 pm »
Thanks Ben. Its the 202 that's coming as the evo and AR is out of stock. The hoses and lances I've had have no real issues from two years but the two piece frame is TERRIBLE and the wheels also. I've been running a 9hp Loncin with a AR triplex pump for two years so I should be getting the jobs done quicker!
Just hoping he doesn't hold back on the 20m hose and send a 10m

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2015, 10:31:15 pm »
That machine with the hose reel fitted is a very nice looking machine, before I bought mine from Rutland pumps I almost bought the exact same for £1100 or 2 for 2000 from a guy in Scotland, spoke with Chris and he says 2nd hand only worth 800 each ;D  I just think at 1800 you paid top price for it, this just means it will take a week longer to pay for  ;D in terms of jobs done.

Each to there own and am happy with we're I went and hope your as happy with yours
When I was on the phone to him he wasn't budging much on the price but at 1800 he would have had more to work with.
Who's the guy in Scotland.

Ben Marriott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2015, 10:51:43 pm »
I pretty much guarantee he will have made £800 on that but you got a better deal having the 202 over a AR pump he will be paying more for the 202 over the evo too. As you say the worst bit is the frame - the galv stuff is terrible it's too thin and made from monkey metal in China.... Part of the reason the profit will be huge on that machine :) our barrow frames cost £265 plus vat the galv (we priced them for the builds) are about £115 all in
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Matt Gibson

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2015, 07:43:42 am »
Alan,

You got a website mate? Always nice to meet another local guy.

chris scott

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2015, 08:49:18 am »
I have been using the Evo pumps on Briggs engines for about two years now…no issues whatsoever. These are the direct drive pumps. I remove the pumps from the engines every six months to check for wear on the shafts…nothing yet.
My thinking was that if I got 12 months use from them I could take them off and throw them away and fit new.
The 14hp 2100's are better on fuel (or seem to be) than the 11hp Gx390's due to them not working flat out.The nail sea frames don't seem to shake themselves apart. The K1's are totally reliable.
I was/will  get Ben to build me some more when the time comes ….but I am still waiting for the machines to fail!
These machines are ideal for constant use in the domestic /industrial market. The combination of the flow/pressure  make the nozzle size spot  on for max performance from a FLC. We rarely have to stand around due to lack of water from domestic supplies .What water we do use is used to maximum efficiency (full power at full flow) through the nozzle.
I would imagine Ben you build these machines at very good prices ( and still take a profit) compared to what else is on the market.

Thats what I like about this forum …people ask advice ,people take time to give in depth relevant answers to the questions asked. People then go and do the opposite ;D
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Matt.

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2015, 09:07:42 am »


Thats what I like about this forum …people ask advice ,people take time to give in depth relevant answers to the questions asked. People then go and do the opposite ;D


Yes Chris I have to agree with your last statement, but not everyone !!  ;D

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2015, 01:20:28 pm »
Alan,

You got a website mate? Always nice to meet another local guy.
burnbraecleaning.co.uk

Plankton

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Re: Pressure washer advice
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2015, 11:48:22 pm »
This should be here tomorrow
http://www.jetmac.co.uk/shop/honda-gx-390-petrol-jetwasher-with-21-litre-interpump-reduction-gearbox-and-hose-reel/
How did you get on with your new machine. Is the flow far better for the rotary cleaner. Did he dispatch it on time?