[Richy L]

I am looking at buying a gutter vac.
I want it to go as high as possible (48'?).
I need a gennie.

and I want it all to be good quality.
I need it all asap.

Any advice on what to buy? with links please?

I dont want to put my own together, I want to buy one that will last.
I have looked through the old threads but there are many differing opinions.

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[Matt Gibson]

Richy,

I know you said you dont want to put one together, but i just bought a vac from Kev on the hard floor section, and i bought some poles from - http://carbonfibretubes.co.uk/ as per Chris's info. Bought all the other bits and bobs from ebay. All in under a grand.

The vac and poles look sturdy.

There is a thread on the window cleaning section now and apparently some of the poles advertised are only 30% carbon, and not very strong. So if you buy a kit, be aware of what your getting.

As for the genny, a good honda would do you for life apparently. I got a 6kva loncin really cheap. its a bit bulky, but i dont use it much and its on a trolley now.

[G O Cleaning]

Richy,

I know you said you dont want to put one together, but i just bought a vac from Kev on the hard floor section, and i bought some poles from - http://carbonfibretubes.co.uk/ as per Chris's info. Bought all the other bits and bobs from ebay. All in under a grand.

The vac and poles look sturdy.

There is a thread on the window cleaning section now and apparently some of the poles advertised are only 30% carbon, and not very strong. So if you buy a kit, be aware of what your getting.

As for the genny, a good honda would do you for life apparently. I got a 6kva loncin really cheap. its a bit bulky, but i dont use it much and its on a trolley now.

matt , does the vac have a basket for debris collection

[Matt Gibson]

Mike,

It doesnt. It has the plastic cage type thing which the dust filter goes around when you want to use it dry but thats only there to surround the motors.

I am thinking of trying to build a small frame inside, something simple to sit a gorilla bucket on, drill some holes in the bottom, like chris scott suggested. to catch all the solid stuff.

I know you have been talking to Kev about some kind of basket he is using. I would be interested in this too.
Is it like a basket that slides inside the whole tank? and you can just lift it out and empty it? and all the water drains out the bottom?

[G O Cleaning]

Mike,

It doesnt. It has the plastic cage type thing which the dust filter goes around when you want to use it dry but thats only there to surround the motors.

I am thinking of trying to build a small frame inside, something simple to sit a gorilla bucket on, drill some holes in the bottom, like chris scott suggested. to catch all the solid stuff.

I know you have been talking to Kev about some kind of basket he is using. I would be interested in this too.

i was under the impression it did have one ?

[Matt Gibson]

Might depend on which vac it was?

[Richy L]

I know what your saying Matt, but I need one for a job asap.
I want one that s good quality and will suck up everything, even big blockages.

I have a question though. How do you unblock downpipes?

[Richy L]

What do you think of the bottom package on this page?

http://www.guttercleaningsystems.co.uk/3000watt.html

[Richy L]

Or this...
http://www.omnipole-systems.com/guttervac/OP-GV60240Volt.html

[Blue Sky 2]

We use Omnipole and been satisfied with them.

You will struggle with any gutter vac system on large blockages and unblocking down pipes.

Regards

Sean

[Richy L]

Do you think it is worth getting the  240v or the 110v?

[Phil @ Extreme Clean]

240v if not using a genny all the time 110v if you are a lot of site work requires 110v

[Richy L]

It wont be much site work. I guess it would be better to have a 110 though just in case eh? the performance is the same though right? i guess I could use a transformer with it though right?

So what do people recommend for a system that will work well for commercial gutter cleaning?

[Matt Gibson]

Richy,

Go for carbon poles, That was the advice given to me. Go carbon from the start.

Haven't used my kit yet, but even if you need it asap, i ordered my vac from Kev on Monday, got it delivered Tuesday.
Ordered the poles Monday, Delivered Wednesday.
Ordered some 51mm hose and cuffs from Polarbrite Monday, Delivered Tuesday.

The stuff that's taking longer for delivery is the eBay stuff, Otherwise id be out testing the setup tomorrow on the
in-laws place.

Although i know what your saying about a complete setup, i looked at quite a few different companies, but i got piece of mind about the vac from kev, and had a chat with the guy i got the tubes off, and i couldnt find out much info about all the different vacs being offered with the packages.

Omnipole is quite a decent company i believe, not sure about all the others though.

[Matt Gibson]

Just looked at the omnipole set up. If your going to pay that kind of money, look at the skyvac. similar money, but you get carbon poles. Probably not as high reach, but you can always add poles i think at a later date.

[BDCS]

Started with the omni set up with the alloy poles which was OK but the poles are heavy and the vac is - well. I now use carbon poles, silicone bends, an old CFM vac with a 6KVA Stephill generator and its a pleasure to use. The Omni power pole is really good as you can fit various spikes, hooks, camera and the hooked tube with a zero nozzle and a small pressure washer to unblock the swan necks on downpipes. My vac is heavy but I would like a lighter one with a pump out for when its raining. My present vac has a drop out drum which is ok to empty but I cannot see a problem in putting a bin bag over the drum and tilting / tipping it.  My carbon poles do 4 storeys sensibly but you would not get the telescopic alloy poles to do that unless your garth or 9ft tall         

[Richy L]

who is Kev from carpet cleaning? - what is his shop?

BDCS, where did you get the carbon poles?

[Kev Martin]

I am Kev from Tiling Logistics Ltd. You can get a nylon bag filter that the Germans invented that fits in the vac to collect the crap. However I think they are very expensive at some £ 60 each and I am not sure of them even though the German engineers tell me they spent ages and dozens of trials getting the right size of netting. They then tell me they are extremely difficult and time consuming to make. Because Matt bought the vac I am going to send him one to evaluate if he agrees. The Vacs I have every confidence in.  I ordered 6 last week and I only have one left. We have sold over 2000 of these Vacs  and my own personal ones are nearly 8 years old. The pump outs are sold to the German Fire Service and although we have only sold about 35 of the Vacs with the 50mm inlet as gutter Vacs we have not had a single complaint about them.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Richy L]

Hi Kevin,
I've emailed you.

[Matt Gibson]

Richy - I bought my carbon tubes from here http://carbonfibretubes.co.uk They are modular, light, feel really strong and they were cheaper than i could fine elsewhere. They come in 2m lengths. I bought 5.

Kev - You can send me one of the mesh bags mate. Ive got a industrial unit to do the gutters on so ill trial it.

[Richy L]

Matt - How do you adapt it to use as a gutter vac?
What other attachments are needed?

Do they come with all fittings or just the bare poles?

[Matt Gibson]

They come just bare poles. I ordered a silicone bend/length of aluminium tube(for the end "nozzles")/wireless camera/clips etc from ebay.

The vac came with a larger outlet - 51mm
I had to buy 51mm vacuum hose and 51mm cuff from polarbrite

if you can wait till tomorrow i will email you with the links for everything i bought. I havent tried my setup yet so might need to buy something else/change things around but i took advice from guys on here so it should all work with the stuff i bought.

[Total shine cleaning services]

Hi kevin what spec are the vacs you sell,,?
Matt- will the carbon poles fit straight into the cuff on the end of the hose or did you have to get a reducer?
thanks

graham

[Darranvps]

We currently use three gutter vacs from omnipole - all year round - all with steel tubes to 48ft
They are heavy but do the job

I recently received an email from Grippa Tank - asking me about their website - I saw a setup with 60ft carbon fibre poles - I have tried to order - but no stock - this was ten days ago and still waiting for a phone call.........
This could be a problem if spare parts are needed.

[Kev Martin]

Hi kevin what spec are the vacs you sell,,?
Matt- will the carbon poles fit straight into the cuff on the end of the hose or did you have to get a reducer?
thanks

graham

Capacity 90Litre 590mm(depth) x 510mm(width)
Motor Power 3000W x1000mm height Triple individual motors
Airflow Rate 132lt/sec
Vacuum Suction 250mBar
Machine Type Wet and Dry
Tank Diameter 440mm
Tank Material High Density Plastics
Power Supply 240V
Cable Length Extra Long Cable (8M)

You can have them as this spec or fitted with a 51mm inlet with cuff instead of 38mm or a combination of either inlet with a pump out adjustable from fire hose size down to garden hose fitting.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[Matt Gibson]

Hi kevin what spec are the vacs you sell,,?
Matt- will the carbon poles fit straight into the cuff on the end of the hose or did you have to get a reducer?
thanks

graham

Graham,

I got the vac with the 51mm inlet, but the hose that comes with the vac is 38mm so i bought a lrngth of 51mm hose from polarbrite with a 51mm cuff and the carbon tubes i bought slide straight into the 51mm cuff. perfect fit.

[Seers]

Hi Rich,

We've got an ionics upkeeper guttervac system we may sell if you're interested? You're welcome to pop down and take a look if you like.

Or we could probably hire you one of our systems.

Email huw@seers.it

Cheers,

Huw

[Blue Sky 2]

We use a 240 and a 110, the 240 seems to have better suction.

[Matt Gibson]

What happened to the other messages in the thread? disappeared?

[BDCS]

Probably got grassed up by the tree huggers for something non PC, racist, sexist, ageism or just plain mentioning the food they may or may not scoff because its just not allowed. Probably because it mentioned poles 48 ft tall which would obviously offend midgets, eastern european migrant workers and also commit an offence by using imperial measurements without giving the metric equivalent. 

[Total shine cleaning services]

thanks Kevin and Matt

Graham

[Richy L]

Thanks Huw,
But I would prefer to buy something new.

What size gennie would be needed for Kev's machine?

[BDCS]

For a 3000w or 3KW machine you need at least a 5KVA which is 4KW which I know seems odd (GX 270). I use a 6KVA  GX340 which I also use to run the gum machine. They are petrol but the missus would never lift a diesel 

[Richy L]

Thank you everyone.
I have everything apart from a camera and generator.

What do people think of these gennies?...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petrol-Generator-Portable-5-5kw-Electric-Start-Loncin-Powered-13hp-6kva-/310764488427?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item485b01c6eb
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Villiers-V6000ES-Electric-Start-Petrol-Generator-6Kva-with-wheel-kit-/190866039297?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item2c7080a201

[chris scott]

Thank you everyone.
I have everything apart from a camera and generator.

What do people think of these gennies?...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petrol-Generator-Portable-5-5kw-Electric-Start-Loncin-Powered-13hp-6kva-/310764488427?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item485b01c6eb
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Villiers-V6000ES-Electric-Start-Petrol-Generator-6Kva-with-wheel-kit-/190866039297?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item2c7080a201

Chinese 5hit ...although Loncin do make engines for BMW. Buy a secondhand Honda with italian alt.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stephill-Generator-5KVa-Used-gx270-9hp-Honda-Engine-/141113358982?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item20db02fa86
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PETROL-GENERATOR-4-KVA-STEPHILL-HONDA-GX340-110V-240-V-/350869481219?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item51b1736703
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-PETROL-GENERATOR-SITE-5KVA-110V-2012-MODEL-/251363214878?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item3a866a461e
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/honda-petrol-generator-/251373078384?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item3a8700c770

[Blue Sky 2]

We have 2 and they have been great, no trouble. We also have 1x 16 amp 110v plug fitted to ours instead of 2 x 32amp.

[BDCS]

Something like this would be a better bet - genuine Honda Pramac or Stephill which you can get bits and repaired. I'd swerve the Chinese sheet

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-Generator-6-5kva-13hp-/161147293127?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Tools_Generators_ET&hash=item2585208dc7

[G O Cleaning]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

[Kev Martin]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

What exactly do you want photos of?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Richy L]

Hi Kev,
If you get this message can you email me the tracking details please before you go away. richard@leeksons.com
I have left it too late to call for it!

Thanks

[G O Cleaning]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

What exactly do you want photos of?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev I have been waiting now for 3 wks, forget it

[Kev Martin]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

What exactly do you want photos of?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev I have been waiting now for 3 wks, forget it

OK but you were asking for something that no one else has and I wanted to get the information right for you! You seem to want one vacuum to do three things and I was trying to clarify!    I also hadn't realised you asked me on the 23rd October for the photos!  But not to worry!!!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

What exactly do you want photos of?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev I have been waiting now for 3 wks, forget it

OK but you were asking for something that no one else has and I wanted to get the information right for you! You seem to want one vacuum to do three things and I was trying to clarify!    I also hadn't realised you asked me on the 23rd October for the photos!  But not to worry!!!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

i did clarify it on email pretty simple just trying to find out how you currently protect sub pump, I assume your machine was designed for slurry pickup not debris from gutters hence you need to protect sub pump if you intend to vacuum and pump continuously which we do on a daily basis , real simple quick question what is the volume of this new net ?

[rah]

Or this...
http://www.omnipole-systems.com/guttervac/OP-GV60240Volt.html

I have this system and it's great, but the poles are heavy, only once have I had it full extended and nightmare is a understatement. Don't be fooled  by the 4200w, I had to replace a motor and they are 1200w, so by my calculations that 3600w.

Also have to power pole 36' thats a friggin mare, so don't use it at present, apparently, I need to install a uploader ( not 100%) to stop the whip when you pull the tirigger and the stabilisation pole Omnipole sell to go with it is about £300.

The genny is a heavy beast and hard work on your own, but it does work well.

Hope that helps

Rob.

[Kev Martin]

Kevin, have you got any photos yet ? As said really after a collection basket not sure about a net, but pics will help, it needs to be a model fitted with sub pump thks

You need to speak to Matt. I am away on business until 26 November

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

What exactly do you want photos of?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev I have been waiting now for 3 wks, forget it

OK but you were asking for something that no one else has and I wanted to get the information right for you! You seem to want one vacuum to do three things and I was trying to clarify!    I also hadn't realised you asked me on the 23rd October for the photos!  But not to worry!!!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

i did clarify it on email pretty simple just trying to find out how you currently protect sub pump, I assume your machine was designed for slurry pickup not debris from gutters hence you need to protect sub pump if you intend to vacuum and pump continuously which we do on a daily basis , real simple quick question what is the volume of this new net ?

[Matt Gibson]

Kev,
I got the mesh bag, thank you. Im going to get it all set up this week and give it a go. Ill let you know.

Mike, ill take some pics today and email you this afternoon.

[G O Cleaning]

Kev,
I got the mesh bag, thank you. Im going to get it all set up this week and give it a go. Ill let you know.

Mike, ill take some pics today and email you this afternoon.

Thks Matt,  Whats it like in Sunny Scotland 

[Matt Gibson]

Sorry mate, didnt get around to it today. Ill get them over to you tomorrow morning.
It was a beauticul day up here today. 1 degree but crystal clear 

Still, bit of a shock. Just got back from a week in egypt. 30 degrees everyday

[BDCS]

Copy me in please carl@bdcleaningservices.co.uk

[G O Cleaning]

Sorry mate, didnt get around to it today. Ill get them over to you tomorrow morning.
It was a beauticul day up here today. 1 degree but crystal clear 

Still, bit of a shock. Just got back from a week in egypt. 30 degrees everyday

Cheers, Nice one 

As long as it's positive temps during day, play goes on 

[Matt Gibson]

Positive temps? If i let that stop me up here id need another job in the winter 
I go through alot of grit in 4 months!

[G O Cleaning]

Positive temps? If i let that stop me up here id need another job in the winter  
I go through alot of grit in 4 months!

Thks for pics, German engineers must of spent ages on that   we will stick with Fisher Price  

[Kev Martin]

Positive temps? If i let that stop me up here id need another job in the winter  
I go through alot of grit in 4 months!

Thks for pics, German engineers must of spent ages on that   wLogistics Ltdl stick with Fisher Price  
[/quote

Mike

Your right they spent close to three months on it getting the correct mesh so that it would hold grit and release water.  Then the mesh has to be made of the correct material so that chemical can pass through without affecting it etc etc. I will get them to call round to yours next time and you can give them everything to do the testing out of your drawer.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logis

[G O Cleaning]

Positive temps? If i let that stop me up here id need another job in the winter  
I go through alot of grit in 4 months!

Thks for pics, German engineers must of spent ages on that   wLogistics Ltdl stick with Fisher Price  
[/quote

Mike

Your right they spent close to three months on it getting the correct mesh so that it would hold grit and release water.  Then the mesh has to be made of the correct material so that chemical can pass through without affecting it etc etc. I will get them to call round to yours next time and you can give them everything to do the testing out of your drawer.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logis

Seriously 3 months for that ?  it doesnt even incorporate some form of locating ring ! Kev as norm you know best there are specialist suppliers that make socks on line to your spec / chem resistance we use them    Stick a pic of your 'net' on here along with the price, so everyone else can make up their own minds 
 That may work for your line of work which is great, but it wont work on a gutter vac and allow water to pass thro it. But thats just my humble opinion.

[Kev Martin]

Mike

If you read my posts on it you will realise I had my doubts from the onset when I saw it! That's the reason I sent one to Matt to try!  Don't however doubt something you have no idea about. I have been working with these guys for over 8 years and they have produced some cool stuff. If they tell me it took so long to do something and it was difficult then I believe them whatever your opinion is. They have no reason to lie to me and nothing to gain.

Finally your not going to like this either!  I work hard to advance this industry and I am by no means an expert on Gutter Vacs but this is what I think based on my vast experience with these particular Vacs. If you want a Gutter Vac then buy one, if you want a wet vac then buy one, if you want a pump out then buy one and finally if you want an industrial dry vac then buy one!  Don't however expect to buy a vac that does all or some of the aforementioned combined and expect it to perform because through experience I promise you you are going to be disappointed.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Mike

If you read my posts on it you will realise I had my doubts from the onset when I saw it! That's the reason I sent one to Matt to try!  Don't however doubt something you have no idea about. I have been working with these guys for over 8 years and they have produced some cool stuff. If they tell me it took so long to do something and it was difficult then I believe them whatever your opinion is. They have no reason to lie to me and nothing to gain.

Finally your not going to like this either!  I work hard to advance this industry and I am by no means an expert on Gutter Vacs but this is what I think based on my vast experience with these particular Vacs. If you want a Gutter Vac then buy one, if you want a wet vac then buy one, if you want a pump out then buy one and finally if you want an industrial dry vac then buy one!  Don't however expect to buy a vac that does all or some of the aforementioned combined and expect it to perform because through experience I promise you you are going to be disappointed.

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

I am not going to get in a 'bitching' contest like you had with the rocky.

The reason i have been interested in your vacuum, is that it has 3 motors and its relatively cheap.
I want a second machine which can be used alongside our existing machine but will not cost another £1500+
Existing machine works for long periods vacuuming and pumping day in day out, during summer months we can have it running over 8hrs constant, all it requires is an op to lift the motor to the side empty debris basket from waist height replace motor. Basket can take all manner of chems we even have option to adjust the micron for filtering.
We can then use vacuum for std floor cleaning 'slurry' combined with scrubbing , if required we can also add dust filter (But to be honest never had the need) so as you say Kevin it cant be done!
I thank you 

[Kev Martin]

Mike

Why are you bringing another post into this? Your in the wrong because Now what your really saying is you want one of my Vacs to do everything yours does but at a third of the price!! Is that a correct interpretation? Bit like me buying a Rocky and expecting it to do what a Levighetor does.


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[G O Cleaning]

Mike

Why are you bringing another post into this? Your in the wrong because Now what your really saying is you want one of my Vacs to do everything yours does but at a third of the price!! Is that a correct interpretation? Bit like me buying a Rocky and expecting it to do what a Levighetor does.


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

Kev, what frustrates me with this is how you act as 'Supplier' hence ref to other post, you still havent answered some of my Q's. I am in the wrong ? What ? Try reading my original email sent 21st Oct, Why did you not come back then and say 'NO' the machine is not capable of this, Simple.

[BDCS]

If I were a supplier these are customers I wouldn't want to deal with - why don't you leave it, obviously I think its been established Kevin's machine would never meet your expectations whilst it might those of his existing customers

[wpclean]

Matt could you tell me how the carbon tubes are connected to each other please, are they tapered at the ends ?

[Matt Gibson]

Yes. They are modular.

[drive surgeon]

We got gardeners sl 2 poles. Carbon fibre. Been good for 4 years now.

[Richy L]

I have bought it all now. Went off Matt's recommendation and it looks great. The CF tubes are great. Nice and light.
 I have two enquiries already.

[Matt Gibson]

Nice one mate.. im just waiting on getting some pics taken, gonna get some leaflets just for the gutter cleaning. Get them out over christmas / new year

[Richy L]

Yeah same here.
I'm waiting for my first job now - I want to get lots of photos.
The camera system looks nice! I have tested it a little around the house and it is better than I thought.

[BDCS]

Pervert 

[Matt Gibson]

Yeah same here.
I'm waiting for my first job now - I want to get lots of photos.
The camera system looks nice! I have tested it a little around the house and it is better than I thought.

What camera set up did you get?

[Matt Gibson]

Pervert 

Get your mond out of the gutter while we clean them! pervert 

[Kev Martin]

Yeah same here.
I'm waiting for my first job now - I want to get lots of photos.
The camera system looks nice! I have tested it a little around the house and it is better than I thought.

Richy

Just got back from USA I take it your vac arrived from Germany? Do you want me to send you a waterproof 13amp plug for it?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Griffus]

Richy,

I know you said you dont want to put one together, but i just bought a vac from Kev on the hard floor section, and i bought some poles from - http://carbonfibretubes.co.uk/ as per Chris's info. Bought all the other bits and bobs from ebay. All in under a grand.

The vac and poles look sturdy.

There is a thread on the window cleaning section now and apparently some of the poles advertised are only 30% carbon, and not very strong. So if you buy a kit, be aware of what your getting.

As for the genny, a good honda would do you for life apparently. I got a 6kva loncin really cheap. its a bit bulky, but i dont use it much and its on a trolley now.

Makes sense, get a top quality industrial wet / vac and sort the poles your self.

[Richy L]

Hi Kevin,

Yes please mate.

Matt,
I got the one from China.
Didnt like the thought of using my smart phone as a display. And at the the price it was I cant fault it.


BDCS,
I was waiting for that one.



I set it all up today. Just waiting for a job, or a day off to test it all.

[Kev Martin]

Richy

Will get it out to you today

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[tonyoliver]

I have an omnivac  plus poles ect 240v and a camara  I don't use if you are interested in  Croydon surrey 07535016883

[G O Cleaning]

If I were a supplier these are customers I wouldn't want to deal with - why don't you leave it, obviously I think its been established Kevin's machine would never meet your expectations whilst it might those of his existing customers

OK big nose  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVvEQvnDm0
Will have to start calling you Rebecca A 

Funny enough we are an existing customer (purchased a low quant of seals + powder) Kev has also sent us samples in the past, hence the reason for trying to use him, hey ho moving on

[Richy L]

What is the best way of removing the debris form the vac?
Do you just tip it into a bucket? or place a bucket inside?
Does anyone have a pic of theirs to show please?


ta

[BDCS]

The bin on mine drops from below onto its casters, it has a screen that allows the fluid to drop and a valve to drop this out of the bin. A bin bag is placed over the bin and the bin is tipped to put the debris into the bag. The grief is that the screen is welded and fines get through - I pressure wash the bin regularly. I can see benefits of having a gorilla bucket with holes but the real grief I find is clearing gutters when its raining, thats why the drain valve is a god send but a pump out ..........................

[chris scott]

What is the best way of removing the debris form the vac?
Do you just tip it into a bucket? or place a bucket inside?
Does anyone have a pic of theirs to show please?


ta

Is yours a square bodied vac or round like the low capacity pathetic Numatic one?

[Kev Martin]

What is the best way of removing the debris form the vac?
Do you just tip it into a bucket? or place a bucket inside?
Does anyone have a pic of theirs to show please?


ta

Richy

When you say debris what exactly are you talking about?
Do you mean the sludge at the bottom, the dirty water or just the leaves and crap?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd
Marblelife Ltd

[Richy L]

Both really, I am yet to use it.
I have my first job booked in for next week so I want to know what I am doing before I get to the customer's property.

Basically I suck up everything in the gutters  ....   then what? What is the best way to go about getting everything out of the vac?

[Kev Martin]

Richy

Clearly the dump hose for the water!  Then it is really down to what the debris is and the size of it!  Once the water is dumped if it were just big stuff I would probably just empty it into a sack if it's silt you will notice just below the dump hose outlet there is a square cut out that collects the silt we either just vac that out or use a muslin liner depending on how big the job is.  If it's a job that we hhave several vacs on then we tend to use a mini soteco 27 litre to empy the last of the crap out of the big vacs.  A lot depends on the job

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Richy L]

I used the gutter vac yesterday on a job that was inaccessible by ladders.
It was mostly leaves and a little sludge.

It was great! I flew though it. The vac was so powerful I had to keep it at 2 motors instead of the 3.
The end of the vac kept sucking to the gutter though.is that common?

[BDCS]

You were cleaning ogee gutters and you have a flat cut to the tube, this presents a flat edge that sucks to the bottom of the gutter. Cut a small vee out of the leading egde to relieve the vacuum - its the air flow that does the cleaning.

[Matt Gibson]

I tried mine out the other day on the in-laws house. Gutters werent very full, so didnt get the full impression of it, but it sucked out the sludge/slate dust from the bottom.

I found that the 50mm pipe im using for the nozzle was a big big for the gutter (slight overhang of the slates)

Think im going to need to make up a few different types of nozzle.

Richy, What nozzles did you make up?

[BDCS]

I use 50mm and 37mm round tubes and a 50mm tube flattened to about 25mm

[Matt Gibson]

Have you got a link to where i can get a reducer? i have a 51mm silicone bend, and i was thinking of trying to use a 38mm nozzle.

Cant really find much o ut there. Need something that will fit in the end of the 51mm silicone and be able to take a piece of 38mm tube the other end.

I havent got around to squashing down my tube.

[chris scott]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/APS-Straight-Length-Reducer-Silicone-Silicon-Hose-Rubber-Coolant-Radiator-Pipe-/360608811461?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&var=&hash=item53f5f5c9c5

Wet a rag with fairy liquid and wipe the tapers on your  poles ...stops them sticking together.
(I believe Carl lubes his boyfriend up like this)

[Richy L]

I use the 50mm at the mo. It was fine the job I did the other day.
I have enough pipe to make another two, mabe three.

It just took ages to cut it though with my little hacksaw!


Did you buy the camera you suggested to me Matt?If so, what do you think of it?

[BDCS]

Spend a little more and get longer silicon hoses / joiners as the longer ones support the tubes better. Chris Saville - fairies liquid - I heard you swallowed your pride 

[Matt Gibson]

Richy,

Yeah, i bought the same camera. It worked well when i tested it. Clear picture. I found it a bar5tard to get it in the right position to see the inside of the gutter though!

Carl/Chris

I am using a 135 degree silicone bend at the moment thats 51mm. If i buy one of the adapters that you recommend, how will i fit it in the end of the bed? or just buy one that fits and step it down? Was hoping that there would be a fitting/reducer that i could just slide in the 51mm end of the bend and then slide a piece of 38mm tube in the other end of the reducer.

[BDCS]

I use a short piece of 50mm tube but a 135 degree 51 - 37 reducer is available in silicone - theres more than one way to skin a cat.

[Smurf]

Hi chaps just wondering how you are getting on with your guttervacs?

[Kev Martin]

Richy / Matt / Dave / Carl

How are the gutter vacs?  Is there anyway we can get the Germans to improve them?  I have to say we have now sold around 27 of them and I have jheard very little and had no feedback!  Don't know if "No News is Good News" any feedback appreciated good or bad!

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[drive surgeon]

Vac amazing mate we got off you. A million times better than the Chinese Liam vac we got off eBay years ago.  One question was going to ask you is when we are sucking gutters that are fairly dry with dust and leaves in and dry moss will that affect the motors if the dust gets in?  We don't want to put the filter in cos it will get filthy. Thanks kev

[drive surgeon]

Kiam not Liam.  Chinese tat.

[BDCS]

Kevin,

I don't honestly believe I can pass comment as I use a home grown set up which is the way it is to overcome the original set up's short fall. The original vacuum started to fall to bits and then blew a vacuum so I dusted the skip vac off and found it better than the original although 3000w opposed to alledged 4200w. It waste drum drops off the bottom onto casters to m/t and has s screen and fluid valve below. Its heavy and its too big to fit through a door which means its restricted when it comes to terraced houses with no rear access. A pump out would be nice when its raining and for other work but we just stop and drain the tub.

I find a 50mm vac inlet no real problem but suck a bucket of water regularly to clean the whole system.

I have tapered carbon fishing tubes which are a pleasure after the telescopic alloy versions.

The power pole is heavy but gets good use as I have various attachments for the 10mm QR - hooks, spike, disc and nozzles to P/W.

You would have to test side by side to really know whats best but some would still moan and we all know who they would be  

[Kev Martin]

Vac amazing mate we got off you. A million times better than the Chinese Liam vac we got off eBay years ago.  One question was going to ask you is when we are sucking gutters that are fairly dry with dust and leaves in and dry moss will that affect the motors if the dust gets in?  We don't want to put the filter in cos it will get filthy. Thanks kev

There is an additional filter which cover the float chamber inlet and therefore protects the motor from crap. I will talk to the Germans for you tomorrow and let you know


Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[Kev Martin]

Kevin,

I don't honestly believe I can pass comment as I use a home grown set up which is the way it is to overcome the original set up's short fall. The original vacuum started to fall to bits and then blew a vacuum so I dusted the skip vac off and found it better than the original although 3000w opposed to alledged 4200w. It waste drum drops off the bottom onto casters to m/t and has s screen and fluid valve below. Its heavy and its too big to fit through a door which means its restricted when it comes to terraced houses with no rear access. A pump out would be nice when its raining and for other work but we just stop and drain the tub.

I find a 50mm vac inlet no real problem but suck a bucket of water regularly to clean the whole system.

I have tapered carbon fishing tubes which are a pleasure after the telescopic alloy versions.

The power pole is heavy but gets good use as I have various attachments for the 10mm QR - hooks, spike, disc and nozzles to P/W.

You would have to test side by side to really know whats best but some would still moan and we all know who they would be  

Carl
Thanks mate. All info helpful it means we can develop the concept further and improve

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[drive surgeon]

Thanks Kevin. This summer we did loads of gutters and cos it was so dry the gutters where dusty off the tiles and the dust was looming everywhere but if you put the filter in and u hit wet moss or water it will mess it all up so we need  a filter for all debris and fluids ideally. Cheers mate

[chris scott]

Kevin,

I don't honestly believe I can pass comment as I use a home grown set up which is the way it is to overcome the original set up's short fall. The original vacuum started to fall to bits and then blew a vacuum so I dusted the skip vac off and found it better than the original although 3000w opposed to alledged 4200w. It waste drum drops off the bottom onto casters to m/t and has s screen and fluid valve below. Its heavy and its too big to fit through a door which means its restricted when it comes to terraced houses with no rear access. A pump out would be nice when its raining and for other work but we just stop and drain the tub.

I find a 50mm vac inlet no real problem but suck a bucket of water regularly to clean the whole system.

I have tapered carbon fishing tubes which are a pleasure after the telescopic alloy versions.

The power pole is heavy but gets good use as I have various attachments for the 10mm QR - hooks, spike, disc and nozzles to P/W.

You would have to test side by side to really know whats best but some would still moan and we all know who they would be  

Carl
Thanks mate. All info helpful it means we can develop the concept further and improve

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

To develop the concept further you need to change the a shape of the vac to a round one. Along with recognizing due to the working environment you should only be supplying 110 volt ones .

[Kev Martin]

Here we go!  We can supply round ones and 110Volt they are £85 more expensive!  When do you want one because they take about 3 weeks to order?  Do you want one?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

[chris scott]

Here we go!  We can supply round ones and 110Volt they are £85 more expensive!  When do you want one because they take about 3 weeks to order?  Do you want one?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

No thank you...I already have a Numatic with a gorilla bucket and a pathetic capacity...remember. You just asked about improving your gutter system...I was merely providing you with feedback.

[Kev Martin]

Here we go!  We can supply round ones and 110Volt they are £85 more expensive!  When do you want one because they take about 3 weeks to order?  Do you want one?

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics

No thank you...I already have a Numatic with a gorilla bucket and a pathetic capacity...remember. You just asked about improving your gutter system...I was merely providing you with feedback.

Chris

I was however asking for feedback on our Vacs not your Numatic.  I already have enough feedback from EX NUMATIC Owners who have seen the light

Kev Martin
Tiling Logistics Ltd

[drive surgeon]

Kegs vac is a beast. Highly recommended

[Richy L]

I have been offered a Honda gennie GX270 5kva for £400. - locally.

Would this power the gutter vac?

[Matt Gibson]

I run mine off a 5kw Loncin genny and it works fine mate.

[Smurf]

The higher 4200 watt vacs ideally need 6kva

[Richy L]

Cheers guys. I bought it and it works a treat. Only £350 as well!

[Smurf]

Nice one bud

[Richy L]

I have been using the gutter vac with the filter in at all times.
IT seems like I shouldn't have been doing this?!

Should I remove the filter for normal wet gutter cleaning? Or does the filter prevent any damage to the unit?

[Smurf]

It's a catch-tewnty-two as I have kackered a few motors because of crap being sucked up through without using the drum filter. Keeping the filter in all the time especialy when sucking up sludge the drum filter will need cleaning otherwise the vac will loose suction so needs to be removed and hosed through regularly.

Now I only use a wet vac with the drum filter out when just wanting to suck up water.

Hope this helps and saves you a few bob on knackering motors.

I have been using the gutter vac with the filter in at all times.
IT seems like I shouldn't have been doing this?!

Should I remove the filter for normal wet gutter cleaning? Or does the filter prevent any damage to the unit?

[Richy L]

I have found the sucking is still good enough the the filter in so I will keep it in then.
I hose it out after every job to keep it clean.

[Smurf]

Would be very wise to bud