(Hi everyone) hASX ANYBODY GOT FORMAL CONTRACTS OF EMPLOYMENT?

« **on:** June 27, 2006, 04:25:05 pm »

Hi everyone hope everyones business is booming and your all enjoying yourselves at the same time!
I have finally got to the stage that i need to take on some domestic cleaning staff i am finding this very ahrd to find the right person, and trying to work out how to train them.
However i am also having difficulty writing them a contract of employment im just wondering if anybody has a contract of employment that they use, or an other cleaning related documents as i do really struggle on the paperwork side of running a bussiness.
B every glad of any help if you could email them over to em thanks a lot ray

« **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2006, 04:48:34 pm »

Ray

You have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2006, 04:53:03 pm »

You have more email

chris

www.scsf.co.uk

« **Reply #3 on:** June 28, 2006, 03:55:58 pm »

Ray,

Did you get my email yesterday?

Graham

« **Reply #4 on:** June 28, 2006, 05:21:52 pm »

Hi guys!

Could I also get those emails??

I would really appreciate it

Thanks

Martin

« **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2006, 08:29:54 am »

Hey Ray,

Have you received my email? It would be polite to acknowldge what we've sent you and give us feedback!

« **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2006, 02:33:52 pm »

Graham,
I'll give you feedback

Just send me sth

« **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2006, 02:54:32 pm »

Would also appreciate a copy. Just starting a business that needs a manager & staff. Please

email busydaffodil@yahoo.co.uk

Lizzy

« **Reply #8 on:** June 29, 2006, 04:58:32 pm »

hi sorry for lack of response my internet facility at home has broken wanadoo or orange as they are now known must eb the worst providers i have ever experienced.
Graham the document you sentwas s professionala nd everything i was looking for, and also thanks for the link chris also very helpfull.
Thankyou again for your response if there is anything any one needs i dont know how great help i will be but i am only a phone call or email away
all the best regards ray

« **Reply #9 on:** June 29, 2006, 06:47:12 pm »

thanks for the email chris

martin

« **Reply #10 on:** June 29, 2006, 07:01:17 pm »

Hi,

Would appreciate the same . . email address in profile.

Many thanks in advance.

« **Reply #11 on:** June 30, 2006, 11:56:29 am »

Martin you have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #12 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:00:19 pm »

Shelton,

You also have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #13 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:08:52 pm »

Shelton,

You also have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #14 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:11:39 pm »

Lizzy,

Sorry mate, can't send you the document as you are too close to us and potential competition.

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:17:31 pm »

Just a quick thought guys, employment legislation can go horribly wrong if you make the slightest mistake. Contracts of employement are pretty standard, but please do not fall into the trap of assuming that just because you have issued one, that you are protected, you also need to be aware that the legislation changes frequently, so you need to check for new rules and regualations every three months or so.

« **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:38:00 pm »

Thanks for that Robert. Our's are solicitor checked and when new regulations come into force we naturally change our Particulars of Employment and make amendments to exsisting Particulars of Employment for our current staff.

regards

Graham

« **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2006, 12:59:03 pm »

Graham,

Many thanks for that- just the job (pardon the pun).

« **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2006, 02:41:30 pm »

Hi Graham,any chance you can send me a copy aswell,thx
santos@need-a-cleaner.co.uk

« **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2006, 11:29:53 am »

Hi

Could I have a copy as well please Graham?

Thanks
Ali

ali_davies@ntlworld.com

« **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:34:58 am »

Ali Davies

You have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:35:39 am »

Santos

You have email

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2006, 11:37:00 am »

Shelton, Glad to be of assistance

Regards, Graham

« **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2006, 02:11:14 pm »

thx Graham,i will have a look later

« **Reply #24 on:** July 03, 2006, 02:53:21 pm »

if you go here http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/stmtEmpLanding?topicId=1075225309&r.li=1076946799&r.l1=1073858787

you can fill in the blanks and make your own(free)

chris

www.scsf.co.uk

« **Reply #25 on:** July 03, 2006, 03:55:53 pm »

Really good. Many thanks Graham.

Ali

« **Reply #26 on:** July 04, 2006, 02:55:47 pm »

any chance i could get a copy!!!! PLEASE

« **Reply #27 on:** July 04, 2006, 05:01:28 pm »

Will,

Where are you based?

Regards

Graham

« **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2006, 03:56:30 pm »

Hi graham

if its not too much trouble could you please send me a copy aswell ?

many thanks !

Lloyd ( LSB window cleaners )
lloyd.birchley@hotmail.co.uk

« **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:25:34 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix Cleaners on June 30, 2006, 12:11:39 pm

Lizzy,

Sorry mate, can't send you the document as you are too close to us and potential competition.

Regards

Graham

I'm in Cannock ??

Last I saw, I was in South Wales, sold my cleaning business last June & am now totally in catering. New business is also catering related.

Ho hum. Never mind. Am a little bewildered because you have sent emails to essex, london, dorset, thetford and Swansea. Cannot see how South Wales is an issue.

No problem Graham, will sort one out myself. Cheers and all $:-\$

« **Reply #30 on:** July 08, 2006, 04:30:37 pm »

Quote from: chris browne on July 03, 2006, 02:53:21 pm

if you go here http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/stmtEmpLanding?topicId=1075225309&r.li=1076946799&r.l1=1073858787

you can fill in the blanks and make your own(free)

chris

www.scsf.co.uk

THANK YOU Chris.

« **Reply #31 on:** July 08, 2006, 07:23:24 pm »

Graham

May I get a copy pls

Freddie

« **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2006, 08:36:26 pm »

Graham,

Thanks a lot! Saved me a few sleepless nights.

Good luck
Nick

« **Reply #33 on:** July 11, 2006, 01:06:34 pm »

Freddie, you have mail,

Regards Graham

« **Reply #34 on:** July 11, 2006, 06:59:01 pm »

Graham

Appreciated!

Freddie

« **Reply #35 on:** July 11, 2006, 10:08:50 pm »

Graham,

Thanks for the reply to my above post. $:-\$

Your consideration of its content has been enlightening. $:-\$

« **Reply #36 on:** July 12, 2006, 04:44:24 pm »

Quote from: busydaffodil on July 08, 2006, 04:25:34 pm

Quote from: Phoenix Cleaners on June 30, 2006, 12:11:39 pm
Lizzy,

Sorry mate, can't send you the document as you are too close to us and potential competition.

Regards

Graham

I'm in Cannock ??

Last I saw, I was in South Wales, sold my cleaning business last June & am now totally in catering. New business is also catering related.

Ho hum. Never mind. Am a little bewildered because you have sent emails to essex, london, dorset, thetford and Swansea. Cannot see how South Wales is an issue.

No problem Graham, will sort one out myself. Cheers and all $:-\$

Quote from: busydaffodil on July 11, 2006, 10:08:50 pm

Graham,

Thanks for the reply to my above post. $:-\$

Your consideration of its content has been enlightening. $:-\$

These truckers do get a little confused sometimes, he’ll be checking his map….. :

« **Reply #37 on:** July 12, 2006, 05:41:36 pm »

Can i have a copy too please, I have got a few staff now and no employment contracts yet

Dave

« **Reply #38 on:** July 12, 2006, 06:03:05 pm »

I see your BS Filter is working fine again.

You DON'T KNOW what businesses I'm involved with, you don't know what I,m qualified in, in fact you know nothing about me, so please don't think just because one of the businesses I own is a driving agency, that I can't give advise on this forum about cleaning issues.

At the end of the day it's up to me who I offer advice to and who I send examples of my forms to.

I take this forum very serious and help out others where I can. Not just through this forum, but by direct email contact with other members who are also serious about what they do. That way none of us are slatted by boring individuals like yourself who have nothing better to do than take the P***

Are you aware, There is a place on the forum to post IDLE CHIT CHAT such as most of your posts, Non-Cleaning related topics.

You'll find I don't post in this section!

« **Reply #39 on:** July 12, 2006, 06:10:43 pm »

BS Filter

What has your last post got to do with Contracts of Employment?

Dave St Ives, I'll send you an email Thursday AM

« **Reply #40 on:** July 12, 2006, 07:53:58 pm »

Hi Graham,

I didn’t mention what you were qualified in, I seem to remember that you were in the RCT once upon a time, I presume this is where the association with being a director of phoenix drivers ltd comes from, I just thought it was funny how you refused to give Lizzy help because she was too close to your business.

Quote from: Phoenix Cleaners on June 30, 2006, 12:11:39 pm

Lizzy,

Sorry mate, can't send you the document as you are too close to us and potential competition.

Regards

Graham

If you look at a map of the UK Graham you’ll see where I’m coming from.

A few Questions for you Graham:
Why would a similar contract of employment for a competitor’s staff damage your businesses (or empire) in anyway?

Why do you get so wound up when I try and shed some humour to the forum?

Why email this document all round the country, when the recipients could very well forward it to numerous people anyway? (even the south Wales region)

Regards

BSF

« **Reply #41 on:** July 12, 2006, 08:14:08 pm »

Thanks for your consideration BSF.

I am still a little concerned that my location in South Wales is viewed as a threat to someone in Cannock, especially when I am not in any way in competition to any window. carpet or cleaning business. This concern has not yet been addresses but that is something I can do nothing about.

Thankfully, someone posted a link for another one, so I am now sorted.

Regards
Lizzy

« **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2006, 09:25:19 am »

BSFilter,
There you go again, so you think I was in the RCT, you could'nt be further from the truth. Go to the doctors and get your memeroy tested!!

Your quite right, the people I've sent the document to can forward it on. I've paid to have the document solicitor checked, although any employment legislation changes have to be incorporated as time goes by, so really it's only as good as the day it's sent out, it's a living document.

Lizzy,
The basis of the document was taken off the internet and adapted as time goes by, Lizzy if your not happy with the one you've got, email me and I'll see what I can do, bearing in mind it's only as good as the day it's published.

BSFilter,
Slatting people off is not my kind of humour, a straight answer from you then, why have you not entered all your profile details? Why do you hide behind anaminitity, do you really think people are going to take you seriously
by posting soo much B*** S***, as your profile name suggest you are a B*** S*** Filterer!!

I won't carry on with this tread anymore, it's getting boring now. I will concentrate on the serious members who are looking for some help.

Happy days

Graham

« **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2006, 09:37:17 am »

Dave and ART

You have email

Regards
Graham (someone who has not served in the Royal Corp of Transport (RCT))

This is the last time I will be emailing out this document as I get a little p***ed off with B*** S***.

« **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:14:10 am »

Graham, Graham, dont get stressed, if you need to chill out come and see us www.scsf.co.uk

chris

« **Reply #45 on:** July 13, 2006, 12:08:00 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix Cleaners on April 12, 2006, 09:38:42 am

Dear Domestic Bliss,

I,m ex forces and moved in and out of a number of married persons quarters.

The March out standards are extremely high. Carpets normally have to be cleaned, most people redecorate, kitchens and bathrooms have to be absolutly spotless, I've even known the person inspecting the property to wear white gloves!

They pay special attention to fridges & Cookers. They have to be stripped down and everything has to be spotless.

In this case did the client expressly give you a spec for the cooker? Personnally I would give him the £10 off the invouce for the cooker, but no way would I pay the other £37 for him to get in a professional oven cleaner.

Service personnel do get fined if the property is not up to standard, or there is damage exactly the same way as a tenent in a rented property.

I suppose lesson learnt, try and get a detailed spec next time. The best people to clean forces service properties are Ex-forces wives, they would have done it mant times before.

regards

Graham

Ok Graham it might not have been the RCT but above you state you are ex forces, when I was in the forces they taught me how to read a map

I’m not really bothered if people read my posts, I come on here to have a look through other posts and sometimes get good advice, other posts I take with a pinch of salt sit back and have a laugh.

If I want to respond in comical way to a post I will, this is a forum Graham and nothing else.

Life’s to short to be serious all of the time, if you and other people decide my posts aren’t humorous then that’s your choice, I’m not hiding from you or anyone, I choose not to advertise my humble business to all and sundry for my own reasons.

Regards

BSF

« **Reply #46 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:40:50 pm »

Thanks Graham

Perry

« **Reply #47 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:32:12 pm »

Thanks Graham

« **Reply #48 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:28:21 pm »

Quote from: Phoenix Cleaners on July 12, 2006, 06:03:05 pm

I see your BS Filter is working fine again.

You DON'T KNOW what businesses I'm involved with, you don't know what I,m qualified in, in fact you know nothing about me, so please don't think just because one of the businesses I own is a driving agency, that I can't give advise on this forum about cleaning issues.

At the end of the day it's up to me who I offer advice to and who I send examples of my forms to.

I take this forum very serious and help out others where I can. Not just through this forum, but by direct email contact with other members who are also serious about what they do. That way none of us are slatted by boring individuals like yourself who have nothing better to do than take the P***

Are you aware, There is a place on the forum to post IDLE CHIT CHAT such as most of your posts, Non-Cleaning related topics.

You'll find I don't post in this section!

Oh but I do Graham, I know all about your businesses, because you have decided in your wisdom to advertise who you are, in my opinion it is you that is taking the p###,
other members might not realise it yet, I have unfortunately paid for this privilege

My BSfilter is working great thank you it usually does

It is up to you whom you offer advice, but its my choice who I expose to this forum (debate, discussion) that I think is amusing, at the moment its you!

I have given lots of advice over the last two or three years on this forum maybe not always as this user name, but with various others, I have even posted insulting comments to this name

By the way Graham I have previously thanked you on this very post as one of my other names, but I will thank you again for the employment contract, its not my cup of tea though, my advice would be use another solicitor, because if you’ve paid for that you’ve been had, the link that Mr Browne posted is free and sufficient, well done Chris

Regards

BSF

« **Reply #49 on:** July 14, 2006, 08:18:55 am »

Firstly, I paid to have it solicitor checked, not for the actual document.

Secondly, nobody else has complained.

Thirdly, why did you want one?

Lastly, hey, my last post on this forum forever, because my empire awaits!!!!!!!

Yet another one driven away, lifes too short to start taking abuse over the internet, who needs it, I shall now delete my profile

Bye Bye

« **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2006, 08:50:06 am »

whatever

« **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2006, 10:16:14 am »

Hey,

BSFilter, did you read the rules when you registered?? your sudo names.

Modorators, on the registration agreement, members are to use their company name etc,

Why do you let some members who quite openly admit on the forum that they use sudo names??

An Answer please somebody.

« **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2006, 11:40:16 am »

IMHO

It is fine to write humourus replies (everybody enjoys a laugh now and then) but that doesnt mean people can throw personal insults and degrading comments, especially when it is directed at how people run their own business. We should all be giving each other a pat on the back because being self employed and creating your own 'empire' is a hard feat and takes ba*ls

I come on here for advice and guidance as I suppose the majority of you do and even when advised to do a search of previous threads I do not appreciate my time taken up sifting through pages of insults and ongoing arguments.

I naively thought bullying and childish arguments would be left in the playground and not something experienced in adult life!

Cant we all be friends??

BSF has posted to replies to me in the past and given me valuable advice but to admit that you have numerous sudo names and sometimes even reply to your own arguments makes me worry about your state of mental health.
I dont think this forum is a place for you.
IMHO

« **Reply #53 on:** July 14, 2006, 01:48:04 pm »

Wow, Cinders

Spot on, I couldn't put it better myself.

« **Reply #54 on:** July 14, 2006, 09:10:49 pm »

I was only kidding

Quote from: pes on July 14, 2006, 10:16:14 am

Hey,

BSFilter, did you read the rules when you registered?? your sudo names.

Modorators, on the registration agreement, members are to use their company name etc,

Why do you let some members who quite openly admit on the forum that they use sudo names??

An Answer please somebody.

I must have missed the bit about using a company name, then again you must have……. pes

Cinders I’d hardly call what I said to our Graham at phoenix was degrading, one minute he’s ex forces the next minute he isn’t.

I just pointed out this and that he couldn’t read a map, where’s the crime in that?

Also Cinders please don’t question my mental health, I’m fine.

Please remember this is a forum, a place to air views, a place to debate who is right and who is wrong, a place to win arguments.

If everybody agreed with each other life would be very dull.

Regards

BSF

« **Reply #55 on:** July 18, 2006, 06:58:03 pm »

Hi Guys!

I have a Contract of Employment that I have been using since start up, which I will gladly send to anyone who wishes to look over it.

I would also be grateful if any of you guys who already have one would be kind enough to send me a copy of yours as it would be interesting to see if I have left anything off mine

Cheers!

« **Reply #56 on:** July 19, 2006, 07:46:58 am »

Has BSF Killed this thread?

« **Reply #57 on:** December 04, 2006, 04:09:26 pm »

hi everyone.
can you send me the same email please?
thank you.

« **Reply #58 on:** December 04, 2006, 04:44:33 pm »

wow and i only thought it was the carpet cleaning guys who got humpy !!!! lol p.s can i hav one of these emails ? ant got clue what its about but must be good lol

gary

« **Reply #59 on:** December 05, 2006, 08:58:24 pm »

Could somebody send me a copy ,please?
cleanandneatservice@hotmail.co.uk

I would be grateful,
katherine

« **Reply #60 on:** December 10, 2006, 07:58:43 pm »

Hi Folks, it's the pain again.

Please, when writing C of E's ensure that you make them Business/Trading name/Company Specific. Also, very important, that you are up to date with current legislation! Remember October 1st 2006 changes to Employment legislation. Very Very important changes were made, but some were not made that apparent.

Check DTI web site.

Also, any contract you write must be seen as equitable to both parties and must not contain prescriptive clauses.

If anybody is still in doubt, or would like to compare C of E's I have three which were written for 3 seperate companies. One Large, one medium and one small. Email me and I will provide PDF copies. But if I do please ensure you change all personal and business details and take our copywrite off them.

ColinD