Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dazmond on December 01, 2020, 05:49:22 pm
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next week..... :)
i noticed this morning that once my heater had fired up it shut down again straight away and i had plumes of white smoke bellowing out of the exhaust pipe!this is the first time this has ever happened...then it fired up again and its been fine all day.......it didnt seem quite as hot as usual but ambient air temperature was 2c first thing and the water temperature was 3c before i fired up the heater....
so im thinking it could be a burner issue?im not sure but itll get sorted next week.....the burner is also making a bit of a weird sound like its choked up intermittently....and its almost as if the heater is in half heat mode sometimes when it should be firing on all cylinders!
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Thanks for letting us know
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Probably burner but it’s not always that I had my other heater without replacing the burner for years and it still produced very hot water,sometimes the white smoke can be a fuel issue or something to do with software.
I had this spoke to Oliver have you tried resetting the unit by removing the fuse powering it on and waiting 10’seconds before replacing the fuse,look in the manual it tells you how to do it.
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Probably burner but it’s not always that I had my other heater without replacing the burner for years and it still produced very hot water,sometimes the white smoke can be a fuel issue or something to do with software.
I had this spoke to Oliver have you tried resetting the unit by removing the fuse powering it on and waiting 10’seconds before replacing the fuse,look in the manual it tells you how to do it.
its recommended to change the burner every year as a matter of course.....my heater is 3 years old on sunday used day in/day out without a service so its overdue....it wont do it any harm........
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Can you supply the exact date for the service, and pictures of events throughout the day I wouldn't want to miss anything...
Darran
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Silly me, I thought you were using cold 12 months ago. How time flies ::)roll
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
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Will you be taking your Mrs for an overnighter to see the delights of Bolton whilst it’s being serviced?
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Every year 🤣 complete rubbish if ever I’ve heard it who told you that the bloke standing in front of you with his hand out lol,my burner produced hot water for nearly 8-9 years without being replaced.
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Will there be cake on Sunday, or just a few cold water users wishing it well?
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I reckon you got a Friday heater Daz 🤣
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Never like the upright heaters they are jinxed.
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
Mine too was never serviced I changed the burner after 8-9 years the heat exchanger after probably 5 the fuel pump seemed to go on forever and was changed after almost 10 years,ok if you want the warranty you need it servicing every year but you would be unlucky to need anything doing to it for a fair while after the warranty has come and gone.
The landscape cabinet I have is more difficult to work on as everything is tight in there but the uprights are easy enough to work on,there’s lot of space in the uprights especially like yours Daz as you only have 1 heat exchanger.
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Thanks for letting us know
One of the comments of the year that!
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Will there be cake on Sunday, or just a few cold water users wishing it well?
Three years old on Sunday! Seems like yesterday :'(.
I reckon NWH is organising something special. Maybe a surprise visit from Daz's old gas heater and eyebrows.
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Forget about chopping the Golf in next year then Dazmond.
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Oh God! Not another date night 🙄
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Will there be cake on Sunday, or just a few cold water users wishing it well?
Three years old on Sunday! Seems like yesterday :'(.
I reckon NWH is organising something special. Maybe a surprise visit from Daz's old gas heater and eyebrows.
No that’s the following week Griff this week I’ve organised a bit of a get together it’s called “Misery Night”what we do is we all sit round and have a moan about this Coronavirus whoever manages to get the group crying first wins 🤣🤣🤣,god blimey bill get a grip man.
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What I’m trying to do is ween the group of Covid gradually during all the discussions we have about it otherwise I dread to think what they’ll fill their moaning time with when it’s over 🤣🤣🤣.
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Forget about chopping the Golf in next year then Dazmond.
Whys that then spruce?
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Will you be taking your Mrs for an overnighter to see the delights of Bolton whilst it’s being serviced?
Haha...its Middlewich.....its only a 30 min drive away....even less if I go from my missus house.....👍🙂
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
Maybe you damaged your heater leaving it that long between servicing?...that's probably why you needed a whole new combustion chamber?....
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
Maybe you damaged your heater leaving it that long between servicing?...that's probably why you needed a whole new combustion chamber?....
Maybe but with over 12,000 work by two people that’s over 24,000 hours earnings I think I can easily afford to pay for a new one it’s cheap as chips 😂😂😂😂, work out your hourly rate x 24,000 hours and see what figure you come up with , think that says it all 😎😎😎😎
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
Maybe you damaged your heater leaving it that long between servicing?...that's probably why you needed a whole new combustion chamber?....
Maybe but with over 12,000 work by two people that’s over 24,000 hours earnings I think I can easily afford to pay for a new one it’s cheap as chips 😂😂😂😂
How much did it cost all in for all the parts and labour?was it £850?
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Mine lasted just under 6 years and had over 12,000 hours run time on it when they downloaded the information from the unit , in that time it was never serviced , and ran flat out 7-8 hours a day 5 days a week , sounds like yours will need a new screen and pin it’s only when it’s taken apart that they will know exactly what’s needed mine needed a whole new combustion Chainbure assembly, not cheap but well worth it as far as Ime concerned.
Maybe you damaged your heater leaving it that long between servicing?...that's probably why you needed a whole new combustion chamber?....
Maybe but with over 12,000 work by two people that’s over 24,000 hours earnings I think I can easily afford to pay for a new one it’s cheap as chips 😂😂😂😂
How much did it cost all in for all the parts and labour?was it £850?
No with all the bits and bobs it came in over 1k with hindsight it would probably have been better buying a new unit complete but it’s working fine now running sweet as a nut if I get another 3-6 years out of it I will then buy a new one ,on a serious note with over 24,000 hours earning s it’s not evan worth considering the cost , I initially thought it was expensive but break it down to earnings and it’s nothing , when you get yours fixed get them to give you a print out of the downloaded information and work out hours run time ,then divide that by your hourly rate ime sure you will also find the costs per hours are peanuts .
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Will there be cake on Sunday, or just a few cold water users wishing it well?
Three years old on Sunday! Seems like yesterday :'(.
I reckon NWH is organising something special. Maybe a surprise visit from Daz's old gas heater and eyebrows.
No that’s the following week Griff this week I’ve organised a bit of a get together it’s called “Misery Night”what we do is we all sit round and have a moan about this Coronavirus whoever manages to get the group crying first wins 🤣🤣🤣,god blimey bill get a grip man.
Are you not aware of the restrictions that are in place?
I'd remind you but I don't want to make you miserable and set you off crying. You could just get a grip, not fret about not being able to clean some windows and not be too frightened of supermarkets.
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White smoke is usually unburnt diesel , I have had it a few times now , I’m guessing at coked up burner or failing glow plug
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I’ve said it for ages even if you got 5 years out of the unit it works out pennies from what it earns you,the same goes for poles I’m not paying 6-800 for an extreme, pole sit down and work out how much that poles made you if it lasts 18 months let alone a few years that’s how you need to look at it.
As for this Virus Griff life goes on m8 as much as you like to condemn people who’ve been working and carrying on as normally as they can,some people get out and do what they can and some people roll over in the morning and fart and say not today thanks,we all have to just crack on now it’s over I know you’d like it not to be moaners don’t like it when there’s nothing to moan about but in my eyes I think positive we are through the worst of it.
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Yeah burner or glow plug is possible also a few false starts will give you over fuelling and white smoke,white smoke when it starts as normal and runs fine and smoke on shutdown 99% of the time is a new burner needed.
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I’ve said it for ages even if you got 5 years out of the unit it works out pennies from what it earns you,the same goes for poles I’m not paying 6-800 for an extreme, pole sit down and work out how much that poles made you if it lasts 18 months let alone a few years that’s how you need to look at it.
As for this Virus Griff life goes on m8 as much as you like to condemn people who’ve been working and carrying on as normally as they can,some people get out and do what they can and some people roll over in the morning and fart and say not today thanks,we all have to just crack on now it’s over I know you’d like it not to be moaners don’t like it when there’s nothing to moan about but in my eyes I think positive we are through the worst of it.
So it's over? Hurray!
See you in the pub then ;D.
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Every year 🤣 complete rubbish if ever I’ve heard it who told you that the bloke standing in front of you with his hand out lol,my burner produced hot water for nearly 8-9 years without being replaced.
Grippatank......it says it in their booklet which they hand you when theyve installed your heater!
It should be serviced every 2500 hours or yearly.....which ever comes first......
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White smoke is usually unburnt diesel , I have had it a few times now , I’m guessing at coked up burner or failing glow plug
I've only had it once....and that was yesterday morning....I reckon it needs a good clean out......
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I'm sure webasto engineers change the diesel filter,clean the combustion chamber out as well as new burner as a matter of course...
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Will you be taking your Mrs for an overnighter to see the delights of Bolton whilst it’s being serviced?
thats not nice ...... referring to his misses as "it"
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The time you’ve paid for the services after the warranty was to run out if you hadn’t touched it and had to spend a grand you’d probably still be better off,you don’t service the heat exchanger-pump-or burner unless you are changing it the only thing you would need to change would be a filter.
I ran my other heater for 12 odd years and it was still fine apart from a few things that just failed fuel pump etc,like I say they are reliable and a yearly service is overkill.
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Think yourself lucky Daz , mine spit hot antifreeze in my mouth and all over me when it went bang the other day ........it is 11 years old though !
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Think yourself lucky Daz , mine spit hot antifreeze in my mouth and all over me when it went bang the other day ........it is 11 years old though !
how did that happen mate?my heater seems normal apart from the water not getting as hot...im sure its something to do with the mixer valve!i just cant seem to get it set up right for max heat setting...hopefully the webasto guy will be able to sort it next week.....
its the coldest spell of the winter too!
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Don't forget to ask for a fuel filter and coolant change as they usually try and forget ;)
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Don't forget to ask for a fuel filter and coolant change as they usually try and forget ;)
Got a video of Daz's van today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXyDSYn5QhM
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Update....they are changing the burner and asked my permission to change some of the pipe work inside my cabinet...I had a kink in it which he reckons was causing the heater to not be as hot as usual.....he also said the burner was corroded and full of carbon.....
Total cost including burner replacement and labour £430.....I was expecting around the £500 mark.....👍
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You must have had a dodgy burner that’s all I can say.
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Update....they are changing the burner and asked my permission to change some of the pipe work inside my cabinet...I had a kink in it which he reckons was causing the heater to not be as hot as usual.....he also said the burner was corroded and full of carbon.....
Total cost including burner replacement and labour £430.....I was expecting around the £500 mark.....👍
Glad you are getting it sorted, but it does not seem a good advert for Grippa. I would guess it was not 100% from day 1.
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You must have had a dodgy burner that’s all I can say.
Heres the burner!
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1607362769_Screenshot_20201207-173808_Gallery.jpg)
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Went to pick the van up,fired up the heater and fault code(9 flashes)came up.....glow pin short circuit or glow pin interrupt....
They ve basically fitted a faulty glow pin!ill have to go back tomorrow now.....luckily I've only got 3 days work to clean this week.....🙄
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Update....they are changing the burner and asked my permission to change some of the pipe work inside my cabinet...I had a kink in it which he reckons was causing the heater to not be as hot as usual.....he also said the burner was corroded and full of carbon.....
Total cost including burner replacement and labour £430.....I was expecting around the £500 mark.....👍
Glad you are getting it sorted, but it does not seem a good advert for Grippa. I would guess it was not 100% from day 1.
It's been fine for 3 years used day in/day out....its only the last few weeks where the water is not getting as hot as usual.....
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The guy in the boat yard says 3 years is good going without a new burner.....
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The burner that was in my old heater was still in good condition after years of use that’s not normal for 3 years Daz,the unit powers down in a routine that should burn off the heater before turning off.
I always use the expensive diesel in my van always have therefore the heater uses it also,the cleaning agents in the diesel must go a long way to helping keep it running cleaner.
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The burner that was in my old heater was still in good condition after years of use that’s not normal for 3 years Daz,the unit powers down in a routine that should burn off the heater before turning off.
I always use the expensive diesel in my van always have therefore the heater uses it also,the cleaning agents in the diesel must go a long way to helping keep it running cleaner.
according to the webasto engineers it IS normal for these burners to coke up after a while esp with the abuse we give them.....thats why oliver recommends changing the burner every 12 months or 2500 hours run time.....
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The burner that was in my old heater was still in good condition after years of use that’s not normal for 3 years Daz,the unit powers down in a routine that should burn off the heater before turning off.
I always use the expensive diesel in my van always have therefore the heater uses it also,the cleaning agents in the diesel must go a long way to helping keep it running cleaner.
according to the webasto engineers it IS normal for these burners to coke up after a while esp with the abuse we give them.....thats why oliver recommends changing the burner every 12 months or 2500 hours run time.....
Think he is trying to boost his bank balance and justify servicing there. So boat yard bloke recons 3 years is normal, when used for probably more hrs a day than a windy would.
2,500 hrs run time works out at about 10 hrs a day 250 days a year!
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The guy in the boat yard says 3 years is good going without a new burner.....
None of my burners have looked like yours does , I have replaced one only and that was 6 years old with over 12,000 hours run time according to the download information, my burner didn’t have any carbon deposits , but was burnt through the casing , I should have got pictures of it but didn’t 😬😬😬. My other two vans have done aprox 10,000 hours run time last time the info was downloaded which was a while ago now , from talking to boat owners that have theses heaters most last over 10 years as they don’t generally use them anywhere near as much as we do , if they need replacing after 3 years that’s a tell tail sign they have been running on poor quality red diesel , but to be honest the cost isn’t to bad for all the work you have done , hopefully you will get it all sorted tomorrow with all this cold weather you need it to keep your hands warm 😂😂😂
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The burner that was in my old heater was still in good condition after years of use that’s not normal for 3 years Daz,the unit powers down in a routine that should burn off the heater before turning off.
I always use the expensive diesel in my van always have therefore the heater uses it also,the cleaning agents in the diesel must go a long way to helping keep it running cleaner.
according to the webasto engineers it IS normal for these burners to coke up after a while esp with the abuse we give them.....thats why oliver recommends changing the burner every 12 months or 2500 hours run time.....
Actually that’s not correct , they should be run flat out to stop them carboning up , generally they only build up carbon when they arnt run hot enough or for a short period of time rather than continuous running , mine had virtually no carbon at all not enough to cover. 5 pence piece .
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
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Well this has helped me make a decision.
I have toyed with getting a fitted diesel heated
system. But you can keep it.
I have tried the gas boiler ( always felt risky) and had the immersion heater fitted in my delivery tank ( professionally on a 16amp RCD job) in my last house.
For simplicity, safety, cost and a few other benefits
I will be rigging the immersion heater up again. :)
T
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You’ll have to just wait & see how long this one lasts Daz to get your answer.
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Update....they are changing the burner and asked my permission to change some of the pipe work inside my cabinet...I had a kink in it which he reckons was causing the heater to not be as hot as usual.....he also said the burner was corroded and full of carbon.....
Total cost including burner replacement and labour £430.....I was expecting around the £500 mark.....👍
So did mine but my water was hot all day and all of the night.
LOLa.
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
How often does your heater shut down in a day or go into half heat mode?mine obviously goes into half heat mode many times during a day as I dont have a second pump constantly pumping hot water back into the tank so when I'm moving between houses or walking back to the van it will go into half heat mode until I plug it back into my return to tank valve.....sometimes mine will shut down and start up again once or twice a day if I accept a brew off a customer and dont plug back into the tank.....this could cause my premature coked up burner IMO....
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Well this has helped me make a decision.
I have toyed with getting a fitted diesel heated
system. But you can keep it.
I have tried the gas boiler ( always felt risky) and had the immersion heater fitted in my delivery tank ( professionally on a 16amp RCD job) in my last house.
For simplicity, safety, cost and a few other benefits
I will be rigging the immersion heater up again. :)
T
No systems are trouble free.....we all have our little niggles here and there....
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That’s your problem I forgot how the heater you have works Daz,my heater gets plugged straight back into tank when I’ve finished each job so after I turn it on it’s working for as long I am.
If yours keeps powering down constantly throughout the day of course you are going to get a build up of coke,speak to Oliver they are designed to be on or off Daz.
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That’s your problem I forgot how the heater you have works Daz,my heater gets plugged straight back into tank when I’ve finished each job so after I turn it on it’s working for as long I am.
If yours keeps powering down constantly throughout the day of course you are going to get a build up of coke,speak to Oliver they are designed to be on or off Daz.
I do the same as you nigel........but your heater WILL go into half heat mode when you turn your tap off for more than a couple of mins then fire up fully again once it gets plugged back into your return valves....
Normally my heater runs all day but occasionally itll shut down once or twice in a day and start up again....
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
How often does your heater shut down in a day or go into half heat mode?mine obviously goes into half heat mode many times during a day as I dont have a second pump constantly pumping hot water back into the tank so when I'm moving between houses or walking back to the van it will go into half heat mode until I plug it back into my return to tank valve.....sometimes mine will shut down and start up again once or twice a day if I accept a brew off a customer and dont plug back into the tank.....this could cause my premature coked up burner IMO....
Mine never goes into half heat mode I have 2 heat exchangers and they are either both being used or if only one hose being used the other one is returning water to the tank so it’s flat out all day , we do turn it off at lunch time and back on again after lunch
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I leave mine on at lunchtime with my engine running all year round unless it's a really hot day in summer.....
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Mine doesn’t ever go into half heat mode I walk back to van with the flow still going m8 I never dead end the pole,when I get to the back of the van I lower the flow to 25 and plug straight in it doesn’t get chance to go into half heat mode.
This is the trouble I used to have with my old heater at times I’d just 0 the controller and it would just idle and have to power up again but I didn’t always do this,they are supposed to on and working to perform well and stop them getting coked up like yours m8 3 years is nothing for a burner if the unit is used right.
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Had my 2 man heater from them for just over 2 years now not so much as a puff of white smoke yet,as for you saying you won’t now buy 1 Tristan is a mistake imo they are well worth the small investment they require to have piping hot water a the flick of a switch m8,if you want to sod about with an heating element that’s your choice but don’t believe the hype we all have niggles with things on the whole they are very very reliable.
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I leave mine on at lunchtime with my engine running all year round unless it's a really hot day in summer.....
A sunny afternoon?
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Had my 2 man heater from them for just over 2 years now not so much as a puff of white smoke yet,as for you saying you won’t now buy 1 Tristan is a mistake imo they are well worth the small investment they require to have piping hot water a the flick of a switch m8,if you want to sod about with an heating element that’s your choice but don’t believe the hype with all have niggles with things on the whole they are very very reliable.
You really got me interested now.
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Sorry did someone mention coronavirus blimey how’s it going Griff still isolating for charity are you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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You could always use cold water I tell you something you can’t beat using industrial wire for hose this time of year lol,I love the way the hose slaps onto the reel when it’s cold I much prefer that to a smoking hose reel that’s super soft 👍.
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I leave mine on at lunchtime with my engine running all year round unless it's a really hot day in summer.....
Your heater is on off on off the way you are using it no wonder the inside has a build up of crap.
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Sorry did someone mention coronavirus blimey how’s it going Griff still isolating for charity are you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah. Me being the charity.
I'm tired of waiting to go back to work.
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I leave mine on at lunchtime with my engine running all year round unless it's a really hot day in summer.....
Your heater is on off on off the way you are using it no wonder the inside has a build up of crap.
He's right, Daz; you don't want to be getting coked up.
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Could the guy at the boat yard have fitted a 24v glow pin instead of a 12v one?and that's why the fault code has come up?it seems odd that a brand new webasto part is faulty....
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Thanks for updates, seems like a right faff these fancy heaters
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Heating has packed up in my flat now so no hot water here either.......cant reset the boiler(fault code 133 gas supply fault)....... ::)roll
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Yeah they are an absolute pain you flick a switch and you have piping hot water,I wouldn’t bother I’d rather reel in iron cable on these kind of mornings eh.
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Never bothers me, the whole ‘wire’ hose thing.
I’ve used hot, found it a faff, these diesel heaters seem to be a faff as well.
I’m happy with cold, never got more work done with hot anyway. It’s just a luxury that adds costs.
No doubt hot is better in some instances, but for me, I can’t be bothered with the faff/extra cost.
Especially as I use a wfp link to turn the water on and off. I never leave the water running as pure is like Gold round my way, hardest water in the U.K.
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you certainly learn a lot reading these diesel "love in" threads
Old Nigel walking about to and from his van with blistering hot water constantly spraying out of his er... brush he dare not turn the water off in case it blows the boiler up ....
poor Daz, you know what they say mate when these things start going wrong you can end up chasing one fault after another - a bit like a rotten car - stop the faff pull it out a bung in a brand new one !
Darran
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I have 4 brand new ones sat in my shed , the great thing is all 4 cost less than what Daz just paid for his service ;D
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Yeah they are an absolute pain you flick a switch and you have piping hot water,I wouldn’t bother I’d rather reel in iron cable on these kind of mornings eh.
Hot is just a luxury thing unless you live by coast, I'm not spending thousands for supple hoses for 2 months of the year, then countless nights on keyboard having to convince myself and others I didn't squander said thousands on a luxury gimmick not really needed
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I'm on the coast - hot makes no difference to the speed or quality of the clean
It does give better working conditions and when using TFR helps it foam up
both of which can easily be achieved for the cost of £100
Darran
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Gotta admit it, i would like supple hoses.
But i reckon Daz has spent nearly 10 Grand in total over the last few years, apart from anything else my missus would kill me >:( :o
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Right O to all of the above I had a Open Reach engineer chase me down the road last week when I switched off and used cold for a bit,he thought I’d stolen his cable 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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If you kept it for a few years and chucked it in the skip what’s it cost you,absolutely peanuts.
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If you kept it for a few years and chucked it in the skip what’s it cost you,absolutely peanuts.
Around 4.5K to have it fitted. Around 1k per year or more in extra diesel, plus whatever you spend maintaining it. After 5 years you are looking at around 10K minimum, which is a long way to buying a new van.
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And the cost of a skip.
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Think yourself lucky Daz , mine spit hot antifreeze in my mouth and all over me when it went bang the other day ........it is 11 years old though !
how did that happen mate?my heater seems normal apart from the water not getting as hot...im sure its something to do with the mixer valve!i just cant seem to get it set up right for max heat setting...hopefully the webasto guy will be able to sort it next week.....
its the coldest spell of the winter too!
The internal heat exchanger on the unit corroded through (not the seperate water/water heat exchanger), i stripped it down and the burner was pretty knackered so i have just ordered a whole new unit to fit , unfortunately the new version has different wiring and fuel pump so will be a bit more of a job to fit but still can do it myself .
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
How often does your heater shut down in a day or go into half heat mode?mine obviously goes into half heat mode many times during a day as I dont have a second pump constantly pumping hot water back into the tank so when I'm moving between houses or walking back to the van it will go into half heat mode until I plug it back into my return to tank valve.....sometimes mine will shut down and start up again once or twice a day if I accept a brew off a customer and dont plug back into the tank.....this could cause my premature coked up burner IMO....
Mine from ionics has a valve that diverts water to tank when you switch off the pole .
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At the end of the day it’s all about the coinage you look at an AMG line and you think it’s nice but look at the real AMG,same with Mlites and an M.
You settle for what you want or can afford to spend but you know really what’s better.
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Yeah and that’s what you are doing when you don’t switch off or dead end and plug straight back into the hose next to the reel Grippa fit,same principle.
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Yeah and that’s what you are doing when you don’t switch off or dead end and plug straight back into the hose next to the reel Grippa fit,same principle.
Its not the same because i can switch off the univalve and chat for half hour to a customer and my webasto will still be running full chat heating water straight to the tank , without walking back to the van .
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
How often does your heater shut down in a day or go into half heat mode?mine obviously goes into half heat mode many times during a day as I dont have a second pump constantly pumping hot water back into the tank so when I'm moving between houses or walking back to the van it will go into half heat mode until I plug it back into my return to tank valve.....sometimes mine will shut down and start up again once or twice a day if I accept a brew off a customer and dont plug back into the tank.....this could cause my premature coked up burner IMO....
Mine from ionics has a valve that diverts water to tank when you switch off the pole .
Sounds better than the Grippa in that respect. How old was it when you started having problems?
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Mine does all the diverting back to tank too , admittedly it’s only 5kw not 9kw so doesn’t get as hot , but it will still put 35*c on top of the tank temp
It only requires 1 battery and 10L of diesel will do 3 days work , I really must get on with getting a few more of these out there
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I don’t need to turn off I have endless water and I wouldn’t stand chatting for half hour either that’s costing money not the heater,I wouldn’t buy an Onring from ionic anyway talking of being ripped off and all that.
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
If you were to buy 1 and run it come on keep up for Christ’s sake.
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If you kept it for a few years and chucked it in the skip what’s it cost you,absolutely peanuts.
Around 4.5K to have it fitted. Around 1k per year or more in extra diesel, plus whatever you spend maintaining it. After 5 years you are looking at around 10K minimum, which is a long way to buying a new van.
Aye but you forgot to take into account that hot water somehow makes the brush head go faster, how else can the diesel users get through all that extra work in a day that they talk of? 🤣
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
If you were to buy 1 and run it come on keep up for Christ’s sake.
? Just surprised you think these Webasto heaters cost "absolutely peanuts" to buy and run. and you are spending in excess of 10k over 5 years just on the diesel to run it.
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
If you were to buy 1 and run it come on keep up for Christ’s sake.
? Just surprised you think these Webasto heaters cost "absolutely peanuts" to buy and run. and you are spending in excess of 10k over 5 years just on the diesel to run it.
That is peanuts when you run a successful business , it’s well worth the expense we have them in all our vans , the extra work we do due to using hot more than pays for it , maybe a sole trader charging £5 a house and earning £75 a day couldn’t afford it but charge right and have a good customer base and it’s well worth the expense
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I have 4 brand new ones sat in my shed , the great thing is all 4 cost less than what Daz just paid for his service ;D
some of us are not hand to mouth window cleaners anymore mate struggling along just about paying our bills...i was for many years though.....there is no way a cheap chinese heater is better/more reliable than a webasto heater......ive had a few little niggles but nothing major in 3 YEARS of running the heater.....
mostly it runs trouble free with hot water on tap all year round.....
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Gotta admit it, i would like supple hoses.
But i reckon Daz has spent nearly 10 Grand in total over the last few years, apart from anything else my missus would kill me >:( :o
around £7k actually including new burner/pin and diesel to heat my water every day......7k over 3 years is around £45 a week...i can live with that....its tax deductable too...... :)
i work less than an hour a week to having hot water on tap every day.........
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
If you were to buy 1 and run it come on keep up for Christ’s sake.
? Just surprised you think these Webasto heaters cost "absolutely peanuts" to buy and run. and you are spending in excess of 10k over 5 years just on the diesel to run it.
That is peanuts when you run a successful business , it’s well worth the expense we have them in all our vans , the extra work we do due to using hot more than pays for it , maybe a sole trader charging £5 a house and earning £75 a day couldn’t afford it but charge right and have a good customer base and it’s well worth the expense
To most on here as sole traders I do not think it is peanuts.
I would be surprised if anyone on here charges £5 a house and earns £75 a day. If you wish to make a serious point, use serious and realistic figures.
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Lol if you can’t afford to buy and run a heater with an outlay of 5 grand I think you need to either get a job working for a window cleaner with decent work or do something else,let’s be honest what other outlay have you got apart from poles.
Go and look at what the other trades like plumbers and electricians have to buy just so they can do the job,and don’t say they earn far more than window cleaners because I know for a fact they don’t,or shouldn’t be if you’ve been at this a while I think there’s a lot of window cleaners that are happy with what they do and don’t look for anything more as far as quality of work goes do what you’ve always done get what you’ve always got type of thing 😉.
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dd it’s peanuts when you’ve got a rich wife m8 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Same as my other heater Splash next to no carbon build up in mine I couldn’t believe it when looked inside,I just had tiny bits of carbon no major at all.
How often does your heater shut down in a day or go into half heat mode?mine obviously goes into half heat mode many times during a day as I dont have a second pump constantly pumping hot water back into the tank so when I'm moving between houses or walking back to the van it will go into half heat mode until I plug it back into my return to tank valve.....sometimes mine will shut down and start up again once or twice a day if I accept a brew off a customer and dont plug back into the tank.....this could cause my premature coked up burner IMO....
Mine from ionics has a valve that diverts water to tank when you switch off the pole .
Sounds better than the Grippa in that respect. How old was it when you started having problems?
I bought it secondhand but the system was built in 2009 and its the original webasto , so 11 years old , still fixable but parts come to about 6-700 so thought i would rather just replace the whole unit .
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I don’t need to turn off I have endless water and I wouldn’t stand chatting for half hour either that’s costing money not the heater,I wouldn’t buy an Onring from ionic anyway talking of being ripped off and all that.
I bought it secondhand and only paid book price for the van , which was way below average mileage .....so effectively i got the system for free, Ionics kit is quality but i guess if your scratching around for peanuts Nige then its hard to afford ;D
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If you are ever able to get hold of a cabinet you can buy the whole kit for a 5kw Webasto heater for just over a 1000 easy enough to put together if you can do basic DIY.
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Lol if you can’t afford to buy and run a heater with an outlay of 5 grand I think you need to either get a job working for a window cleaner with decent work or do something else,let’s be honest what other outlay have you got apart from poles.
Go and look at what the other trades like plumbers and electricians have to buy just so they can do the job,and don’t say they earn far more than window cleaners because I know for a fact they don’t,or shouldn’t be if you’ve been at this a while I think there’s a lot of window cleaners that are happy with what they do and don’t look for anything more as far as quality of work goes do what you’ve always done get what you’ve always got type of thing 😉.
Cold water users are also able to earn a very good living. You seem to believe that because you use hot water you earn much more than cold water users, who are inferior.
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I don’t need to turn off I have endless water and I wouldn’t stand chatting for half hour either that’s costing money not the heater,I wouldn’t buy an Onring from ionic anyway talking of being ripped off and all that.
I bought it secondhand and only paid book price for the van , which was way below average mileage .....so effectively i got the system for free, Ionics kit is quality but i guess if your scratching around for peanuts Nige then its hard to afford ;D
M8 I could go out and buy what car- van I wanted tomorrow let alone an Ionic’s system lol,to a certain extent I like to be able to work on it myself to a point the only thing I’m scratching around for is my nuts 🥜 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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I don’t think cold water users are inferior at all they just have a cable fetish they love the feel of cold rubber running through their fingers every morning 🤣🤣🤣.
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Trying to argue with NWH about heaters is possibly the only more pointless thing in life than arguing with Herman about his crap inventions.
Both utterly pointless and a complete waste of time and energy.
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M8 I could go out and buy what car- van I wanted tomorrow
You da man!
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If you are ever able to get hold of a cabinet you can buy the whole kit for a 5kw Webasto heater for just over a 1000 easy enough to put together if you can do basic DIY.
Really? Apparently your heroes down at Grippa didn’t do a very good job of Daz’s and they’re meant to be professionals 🤣
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Well he said I couldn’t get an Ionic’s system lol,what the hell are you doing on this thread again Griff no one has mentioned a single thing about Coronavirus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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The other heater I have is different gravy tbh it’s all very cramped in the cabinet I’ll just keep throwing money at it lol.
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Well he said I couldn’t get an Ionic’s system lol,what the hell are you doing on this thread again Griff no one has mentioned a single thing about Coronavirus 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You have.
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The other heater I have is different gravy tbh it’s all very cramped in the cabinet I’ll just keep throwing money at it lol.
You da man!
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Sorry did someone mention coronavirus blimey how’s it going Griff still isolating for charity are you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There you are.
I'll keep track of your fibs, if you like?
You da man!
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£50 a week to run hot is £50 too much, show me it earns me £100 a week and im in.
When is it actually needed ? i dont recall a single day ive been unable to work because of cold water freezing, so wheres the advantage apart from warm hands. Up north our hands are made of leather anyway.
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Lol if you can’t afford to buy and run a heater with an outlay of 5 grand I think you need to either get a job working for a window cleaner with decent work or do something else,let’s be honest what other outlay have you got apart from poles.
Go and look at what the other trades like plumbers and electricians have to buy just so they can do the job,and don’t say they earn far more than window cleaners because I know for a fact they don’t,or shouldn’t be if you’ve been at this a while I think there’s a lot of window cleaners that are happy with what they do and don’t look for anything more as far as quality of work goes do what you’ve always done get what you’ve always got type of thing 😉.
Cold water users are also able to earn a very good living. You seem to believe that because you use hot water you earn much more than cold water users, who are inferior.
Im not convinced NWH actually cleans any windows , he spends nearly all his day on here but never stops for a chat with customers because time is money ;D
I have to admit that going back to cold until my new heater arrives is not enjoyable for me and on average work has been taking about an hour longer per day ...........i love using hot and i have noticed after doing a few days with cold water that i use a fair bit less water using hot .
But i dont think it really makes your business more profitable , the extra costs pretty much even it out in my opinion , unless your Nigel that earns millionsand can buy whatever he wants and has an infinity sized tank with endless water apparently ! ;D
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Trying to argue with NWH about heaters is possibly the only more pointless thing in life than arguing with Herman about his crap inventions.
Both utterly pointless and a complete waste of time and energy.
Add to that the superiority of VW and German vehicles in general.
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Lol if you can’t afford to buy and run a heater with an outlay of 5 grand I think you need to either get a job working for a window cleaner with decent work or do something else,let’s be honest what other outlay have you got apart from poles.
Go and look at what the other trades like plumbers and electricians have to buy just so they can do the job,and don’t say they earn far more than window cleaners because I know for a fact they don’t,or shouldn’t be if you’ve been at this a while I think there’s a lot of window cleaners that are happy with what they do and don’t look for anything more as far as quality of work goes do what you’ve always done get what you’ve always got type of thing 😉.
Cold water users are also able to earn a very good living. You seem to believe that because you use hot water you earn much more than cold water users, who are inferior.
Im not convinced NWH actually cleans any windows , he spends nearly all his day on here but never stops for a chat with customers because time is money ;D
I have to admit that going back to cold until my new heater arrives is not enjoyable for me and on average work has been taking about an hour longer per day ...........i love using hot and i have noticed after doing a few days with cold water that i use a fair bit less water using hot .
But i dont think it really makes your business more profitable , the extra costs pretty much even it out in my opinion , unless your Nigel that earns millionsand can buy whatever he wants and has an infinity sized tank with endless water apparently ! ;D
That's true and I should know.
He's still da man though.
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👌 enough said 😉
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we all spend a fair bit of time a week cleaning.......its 20-30 hours a week for me......
years ago i didnt care.....i was a lot younger back then but these days its all about making my day easier and more enjoyable.....hot water does that for me esp during the winter months......
i can honestly say i absolutely hate cleaning windows and add ons in winter with cold water......
after cleaning a block of flats tomorrow morning and a couple of large houses ill be off to clean my girlfriends parents very green conny roof...last time i cleaned it was over 2 years ago now...hot water will make it a lot easier for sure.......
its also a unique selling point....customers love it when they see steam from your brush....a bit like when they used to like suds on the window when we were all trad! :)
water flow is very good all year round with hot water,windows dry quicker and rinse better....not to mention the warm supple hoses to keep your hands warm and the hose much more manageable.....
if your happy with cold water cleaning then stay that way....rather you than me though lads.....i hate it!
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I have 4 brand new ones sat in my shed , the great thing is all 4 cost less than what Daz just paid for his service ;D
some of us are not hand to mouth window cleaners anymore mate struggling along just about paying our bills...i was for many years though.....there is no way a cheap chinese heater is better/more reliable than a webasto heater......ive had a few little niggles but nothing major in 3 YEARS of running the heater.....
mostly it runs trouble free with hot water on tap all year round.....
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well mine appears to be working fine where as yours isn’t is it ?
It’s had a new glow pin in 2 years , mine was £10.50 , how much was yours again ? ;D
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I'm on the coast - hot makes no difference to the speed or quality of the clean
It does give better working conditions and when using TFR helps it foam up
both of which can easily be achieved for the cost of £100
Darran
This is exactly what I found.
Hot made no difference in speed.
You could argue it melts bird muck a bit quicker, but it’s not often you’re stuck scrubbing a cement crap anyway.
I don’t use my pure for gutters/facias, so using hot doesn’t matter for me in that case.
Plus, because I’m big into softwashing, anything else is softwashed anyways - cladding etc.
So the only thing I use pure for is windows. And in that situation, I just cannot be bothered with these diesel heaters. With the cost to benefit ratio being minimal.
The only diesel heater I’ve ever been tempted by is P@F’s, but after him and I discussed it over the phone, we decided it wasn’t gonna work with my system as I’ve got a 750l tank, and the WFP link ‘one shot’ so water is constantly going on and off between windows etc.
But, it’s a free country, and if people want them, happy days. I mean nigels got one, so they must be amazing and earn you £800 a day.
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Hot water systems terrible waste of money.
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About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.
So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?
If you were to buy 1 and run it come on keep up for Christ’s sake.
? Just surprised you think these Webasto heaters cost "absolutely peanuts" to buy and run. and you are spending in excess of 10k over 5 years just on the diesel to run it.
That is peanuts when you run a successful business , it’s well worth the expense we have them in all our vans , the extra work we do due to using hot more than pays for it , maybe a sole trader charging £5 a house and earning £75 a day couldn’t afford it but charge right and have a good customer base and it’s well worth the expense
To most on here as sole traders I do not think it is peanuts.
I would be surprised if anyone on here charges £5 a house and earns £75 a day. If you wish to make a serious point, use serious and realistic figures.
Ok then if you want to be pedantic if you earn £250- 350 per day and you cannot afford to pay for a hot water system then you are doing something drastically wrong , Ime sure most on hear as sole traders can easily earn that if not considerably more so as I said it’s peanuts , if you are happy with cold then that’s fine I don’t care wether you use hot or cold , Ime just sharing my experience of using both and hot is 100% worth the expense, I wouldn’t have put hot systems in all my vans if it didn’t work or wasn’t cost effective
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Hot water systems terrible waste of money.
That's the quote of the year right there
7 pages for Daz boiler service booking
Thinking of starting a how much to clean this thread
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we all spend a fair bit of time a week cleaning.......its 20-30 hours a week for me......
years ago i didnt care.....i was a lot younger back then but these days its all about making my day easier and more enjoyable.....hot water does that for me esp during the winter months......
i can honestly say i absolutely hate cleaning windows and add ons in winter with cold water......
after cleaning a block of flats tomorrow morning and a couple of large houses ill be off to clean my girlfriends parents very green conny roof...last time i cleaned it was over 2 years ago now...hot water will make it a lot easier for sure.......
its also a unique selling point....customers love it when they see steam from your brush....a bit like when they used to like suds on the window when we were all trad! :)
water flow is very good all year round with hot water,windows dry quicker and rinse better....not to mention the warm supple hoses to keep your hands warm and the hose much more manageable.....
if your happy with cold water cleaning then stay that way....rather you than me though lads.....i hate it!
Unique selling point?
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Most window cleaners are just happy with what they do I know a few myself who haven’t even gone WFP they can’t be bothered to put the effort in and the effort should have been made at least 10 years ago,1 guy I speak to insists you can’t earn £200 a day every day I spoke to X he said he’s earning 200 a day what a load of rubbish blah blah blah.
He never takes on new work he sticks with what he does so he knows what he can do and there’s no way anyone else can earn more than him,if he took his blinkers off and made any effort he would shoot himself because he’s been so lazy.
If I can do 130-150 a day I’m happy he says who am I to argue with him and say to him I didn’t know you were finishing at 10-30 these days 🤣🤣🤣🤣😘🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾
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Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.
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Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.
Have you been looking at my vans again 😂😂
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Lol yeah makes me laugh no one wants it until they can buy it.
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Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.
Really ! a statement from a guy that openly admits he doesn't clean the windows properly if he's running late ;D ;D ;D ;D
Darran
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Those that employ from the local Zoo won’t agree a rust bucket with used bath water in the back will do,a hybrid pole with a brush that looks like it’s been driven over buy an articulated lorry will suffice 🤣🤣.
What do you mean you need a new brush get out and clean me 30 houses lol.