[Len Gribble]

Lee

Sorry Lee knowing is one-thing facts are another.  I know he jump the lights killed the dog as he told me! This is not a beat-up on my part I own three of your machines and am very happy with them.

You only have to look at any manufactures brochure, on the tm side cleaning up too! But never states this on the portable side. I ask why?

Len

[Lee_Pettengell]

Sorry you do not believe me Len, ring Prochem and speak to John in the service dept.

[Len Gribble]

Lee

Sorry I’m asking you! Are you not the voice of your company on this forum? Don’t pass the buck to John who is your service manage and not a cc, the word theory comes to mind this is not deeming John.  I note you state that you have cleaned an aircraft, was the carpet like some customers who have never had it cleaned or a pub running hoses at 50 to 100ft? Please define full potential; you still have not answered my question re advertisement in brochures.

Also Lee please take care in the use of the words “I know” is it fact or hearsay? The word to my knowledge would suit your replies, that way you have an escape route.

I read it as I see it and yes I’m sob but I mean no harm.

Len

[Dave Parry]

Len,
sob is that
a) silly old b*gg*r
b) Stubborn old B*sta*d
C) Both.

Regards
Dave.

[Dynafoam]

Lee,

I have to say that I am firmly with Nigel and Len on the 100ft matter, regardless of what other people do.

I know people who will say that they use a single vac macine with a 60psi pump and thing that it is the bees knees.

Yes, you could use this machine with a 100ft hose but the perfomance would not be what I would consider acceptable. To think otherwise is simply dilusional.

John.

[Dave Parry]

To confirm what others have said,
I have a Ninja with uprated Vacs and 135 psi pump.
I have used this with 75 ft hose and had acceptable results. Have managed to reach the 2nd floor of a large house, with m/c in hallwayand steam mate on last 25ft to keep heat up. Have never had to and would not use above that length.

[Mike Halliday]

If no one believes that you can go above 75ft with 2x3stage vacs that how can anyone believe that adding an extra 2 stage vac with allow hose lengths of 150ft

as stated by the recoils 3

Plus if your going this length should'nt the machine come with 2inch hose

mike

[squeaky]

I had a long chat with my Prochem supplier yesterday about the Power plus, he has sold quite a few of them and says that many of his customers use the power plus with up to 100 ft of pipe with excellent results.
I did not prompt him on this, the information was offered by him , I have been dealing with him for years and have no reason to doubt his word having purchased most of my equipment through him and never been let down or disappointed.
Most of the work that I do with the machine that I eventually buy will be used with 25/50 foot , so the powerplus looks good especially at the price that I have been quoted, £1000 cheaper than the Recoil 3  (and before I have a contract taken out on me I am NOT saying that the recoil 3 is not an excellent machine)I will have a demo before I buy anything so as long as the machine does what I want it to do then I will buy it.

Mark

[Ed Valentine]

CFM's & AirFlow is the name of the game, gentlemen.

And, YES, yes, yes, the RECOIL-3HP will go the distance (100-150-200 feet) because of the specific design and engineering. Personally, this is something I have proven since the early 70's. And, Nigel Woodhead has also experienced this concept too.

But, I ask your patience until March 31st. (Unfortunately) that is all I can comment on these boards unless I want my comments to be deleted.

Good Fortune to all our friends across the pond;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.,

[Nigel_W]

Mike,

You are abolutely correct - adding a 2 stage vac does not allow you to run 150 - 200 foot of hose on a Recoil. In my view (I stress that this is only my view) A Recoil performs well at 75 foot. It is acceptable at 100 foot. Above this I would not consider without some kind of vac booster. (Which Cross Amervcian do sell).

I do hear of people using a Recoil (without vac booster) at 200 foot. I tend to view this in the same light as Powermax users getting excellent performance with 100 foot of hose.

Mark,

You are quite right to consider the Powermax as an alternative to the Recoil. It is an excellent machine - I have both a Powermax and a Recoil. For the extra money you get:-

0 - 350 psi pump (2 galls per min maximum flow). THis allows longer hose runs and gives potential for better rinsing of carpets.

A more powerful vacuum set up that allows longer hose runs.

An extra 25 foot of vac/solution hose.

On the downside the Recoil is noisier and I don't think the wand is as good as the Prochem 2 jet.

It really is a case of testing both (and others) and taking a view of what suits your business best. We all work in different markets and there is no best machine for all cleaners.

Good luck in your choice.

Nigel  

[Mike_Boxall]

Just to summarise here, don't we all agree that the whole issue is subjective. All these machines can be used with considerable lengths of hoses it's just whether or not we are happy with the performance.

As a rule of thumb with the Prochem range I tell customers that you can double the standard length of hoses with no noticeable difference in performance and you can triple the length of hose with an acceptable difference in performance. The Steempro Powermax and Powerplus (both with 2 x 3-stage motors) come as standard with 25ft of hoses and I'd be entirely confident running them at 50ft but would certainly make people aware of the drop in performance at 75ft. I've never used one with 100ft but don't doubt that, although slower, it would be acceptable to some.

(Nigel, how many power leads does your recoil have?)

Regards

Mike

[Nigel_W]

Mike

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Nigel

[Len Gribble]

Dave

It’s C plus some more

Mike

As you say the Steempro comes with 25ft of hose as standard as dose all quality portables on the tm side are sold with min 100ft but give a max distance in the brochures where as the potable side give 0.  That’s the point I was trying to make

Len

[Lee_Pettengell]

Dear Len

    How are you? First of all regarding question about ad in brochures, please could you remind me about the question again. Secondly although I work for Prochem I am not the voice for Prochem, I enjoy this industry and I enjoy conversing with other cc's, it is how we all learn. If I can help anybody with info then that is a bonus, I do not go on and post such things as use this for that or use ffr for this or Prochem is great!!!! This forum enables cc's to help each other it is not hear to slate others because they used the wrong word which you don't approve of. People can only be helped if they want to be helped. Regarding the S'Pro question: you can use up to 100ft of hose without losing performance.

[Lee_Pettengell]

Sorry I ran out of room!
Nigel W I am glad that you are happy with your machine, it would not though be "ridiculous" to run extra hose from it, if this was the case then why would we sell extension hoses?

      Does this now make me an SOB!

    Lee

[HolmansUKLTD]

Hello people,

I use my steampro 2000 with 75ft of hose and allthough you do lose slight suction power as long as youve pre-vaced and pre sprayed there is really no problem apart from at  least 2-3 vaccume passes..

If you start at the top of a 3 story house with the extension hoses and finish up at the bottom hallway after packing away your machine the top floor is dry!! so in a way there is no performance drop?? if you see what i mean!!??

just thought i add my 2 pennith worth

Regards

Nick

[Ian Gourlay]

Does the Trade Description Act Apply to Carpet Cleaning Machines.


Because many of the brochues I have seen for portables indicate that they achieve max performasnce with 100foot hose.

Having 50foot hose myself I do not know if it is true.

Do not know if I would get better results at 25 feet.

Also are Carpet Cleaners covered by Trades Description Act.

Or is it an industry where exagirated claims are standard

[mark_roberts]

Over the past four years in this business I have learned to take with a pinch of salt the claims of ALL manufactures. They are selling you something and will make all sorts of claims, not necessarly tells lies but stretching the truth.

I take on board the opinions of others BUT try not to buy unless I can use beforehand as one mans tool is another mans scrap.

I have a Ninja.  It works very well at 50ft but I notice a slight drop in overall power.  At 75ft its very noticable.  Would'nt dream of 100ft as I would'nt be happy with the results.  I've had to use my old 2x2 stage vac machine today and its crap compared to the Ninja even at 25ft.

I'm very interested in the recoil BUT am going to demo it on 31st as I need to see for myself if it really is the machine so many say it is.  

I've been looking at electric machines in the states to be van mounted to run max 200ft.  I'm still not sure if such a machine exists unless you have 3plus leads which in my opinion is too much hassle.  However Mick Halidays machine looks interesting!!!

thanks
Mark

[Dave_Lee]

Hi all,
Dont know if anyones interested but you might have a look at Steamways web site and click on 'Portables'.
        http://www.steamway.com
Dave.