Walter Mitty

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2015, 10:29:01 pm »
ARE THEY TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING?

If they are, they should just come out and say it :)

kempy

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2015, 10:30:23 pm »
It is annoying .
I use a "A" frame

PoleKing

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2015, 10:43:50 pm »
Charge full price whether they remember or not.
You'd be amazed how many persistent forgetters start to remember when they're paying full price.
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Positivity

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2015, 08:04:38 am »
Had one fitted a gate a few months ago then texted me to say "since we fitted the gate you have only cleaned the front but charged us the same price".
Replied "I use a ladder for gates if you take a look you will see ALL the house has been cleaned and has been since the gate was fitted."
"Not happy with you climbing the gate you might have an accident, in future if you let me know you're coming I'll leave the gate open."
Been hassle ever since, thinking of dropping her.
Why can't they leave us alone and just get on with it!! ;D ;D

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2015, 08:39:59 am »
What on earth did window cleaners do before mobile phones?  ;D
We never text, never have cancellations and never have access issues as all vans carry ladders for access purposes. Happy days. If gaining access with ladders is too difficult they simply get the fronts done and the backs cleaned at a premium rate if you catch them in. I like it simple.  :)

SeanK

Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 09:24:02 am »
What on earth did window cleaners do before mobile phones?  ;D
We never text, never have cancellations and never have access issues as all vans carry ladders for access purposes. Happy days. If gaining access with ladders is too difficult they simply get the fronts done and the backs cleaned at a premium rate if you catch them in. I like it simple.  :)

Unfortunately Dave WFP has brought us a new generation of shiners intent on making a simple hassle free way of making
a living as difficult as possible.

8weekly

Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 09:50:28 am »
What on earth did window cleaners do before mobile phones?  ;D
We never text, never have cancellations and never have access issues as all vans carry ladders for access purposes. Happy days. If gaining access with ladders is too difficult they simply get the fronts done and the backs cleaned at a premium rate if you catch them in. I like it simple.  :)

Unfortunately Dave WFP has brought us a new generation of shiners intent on making a simple hassle free way of making
a living as difficult as possible.

Er, how is sending a text more hassle than getting off ladders to get over a gate.  ;D

The problems the above people have is with the customers, not the gates.  ;)

Walter Mitty

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 10:01:04 am »
What on earth did window cleaners do before mobile phones?  ;D


Indeed, the bulk of my round was built before mobiles were about - or were very sparse too.

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 10:01:33 am »
When I started window cleaning 24 years ago (have not cleaned constantly for 24 years), we worked a 'patch', EVERY house had a concrete out house that you HAD to split your ladders to get over. Wooden ladders and a damp scrim dry scrim technique. Old cottage style metal framed windows. Happy stress free days.
I stress more now (not over locked gates  ;D) that I only clean about a weeks worth of windows every 4 weeks!!
 

SeanK

Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2015, 11:55:20 am »
What on earth did window cleaners do before mobile phones?  ;D
We never text, never have cancellations and never have access issues as all vans carry ladders for access purposes. Happy days. If gaining access with ladders is too difficult they simply get the fronts done and the backs cleaned at a premium rate if you catch them in. I like it simple.  :)

Unfortunately Dave WFP has brought us a new generation of shiners intent on making a simple hassle free way of making
a living as difficult as possible.

Er, how is sending a text more hassle than getting off ladders to get over a gate.  ;D

The problems the above people have is with the customers, not the gates.  ;)

Cant really argue which is handier but put it this way how often do you get guys who get over gates and don't text experiencing
the above problems.
I had the same problem with customers when starting out so I know the annoyance involved, but not once did I blame the customer
as I know how easy it is to be forgetful. ( it didn't stop me calling them the odd swear word under my breath )
To be honest with the amount of specialist ladders now available its not hard to get over a gate easily, quickly and safely its
just pig headedness and lack of competition that stops some from even trying.

richywilts

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2015, 01:12:51 pm »
One of the things that bugs me is the "pretend to forget" brigade.  It seems to be that some of the customers with access issues deliberately "forget" to leave unlocked as a way of controlling the frequency of the cleaning.  I do get past some gates by leaning over on a stepladder and using a crowbar to hook around the bolt.  Unfortunately, some bolts are too far down or some people padlock them.
If a job becomes the equivalent of a short notice cancellation because of no access, it can mean that the day's takings are down as it may not be possible to do a replacement job that day.  OK, it may just be, say, £12.  Get one of those every day and it's £60 a week - £3k a year.

my staff member got 4 of these the other day value approx 50quid of days taking reason being i never called as forecast heavy snow next day weather was fine sight very slight drizzle leave it please its raining i cant stand people like this
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Walter Mitty

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2015, 02:01:53 pm »
When I started window cleaning 24 years ago (have not cleaned constantly for 24 years), we worked a 'patch', EVERY house had a concrete out house that you HAD to split your ladders to get over. Wooden ladders and a damp scrim dry scrim technique. Old cottage style metal framed windows. Happy stress free days.
I stress more now (not over locked gates  ;D) that I only clean about a weeks worth of windows every 4 weeks!!
 

I suppose it's not so bad if you're using the ladder anyway; I didn't start to reduce the "link detached" work until after starting with WFP.
I dislike putting a ladder down from a flat roof because it makes harder work of a job and it's a potential safety issue too as you can't test how slippery the floor is from the roof.
I just think, why bother with the awkward jobs if I don't need to?  I had to start out on the jobs that no-one else wanted and now that I've been at it for a long time, I reckon let the newbies have those jobs that I used to just about tolerate.

David Kent @ KentKleen

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Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2015, 02:25:29 pm »
When I started window cleaning 24 years ago (have not cleaned constantly for 24 years), we worked a 'patch', EVERY house had a concrete out house that you HAD to split your ladders to get over. Wooden ladders and a damp scrim dry scrim technique. Old cottage style metal framed windows. Happy stress free days.
I stress more now (not over locked gates  ;D) that I only clean about a weeks worth of windows every 4 weeks!!
 

I suppose it's not so bad if you're using the ladder anyway; I didn't start to reduce the "link detached" work until after starting with WFP.
I dislike putting a ladder down from a flat roof because it makes harder work of a job and it's a potential safety issue too as you can't test how slippery the floor is from the roof.
I just think, why bother with the awkward jobs if I don't need to?  I had to start out on the jobs that no-one else wanted and now that I've been at it for a long time, I reckon let the newbies have those jobs that I used to just about tolerate.

Or charge a premium for the up and over garage jobs.

SeanK

Re: increase in locked gates
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2015, 02:29:36 pm »
When I started window cleaning 24 years ago (have not cleaned constantly for 24 years), we worked a 'patch', EVERY house had a concrete out house that you HAD to split your ladders to get over. Wooden ladders and a damp scrim dry scrim technique. Old cottage style metal framed windows. Happy stress free days.
I stress more now (not over locked gates  ;D) that I only clean about a weeks worth of windows every 4 weeks!!
 

I suppose it's not so bad if you're using the ladder anyway; I didn't start to reduce the "link detached" work until after starting with WFP.
I dislike putting a ladder down from a flat roof because it makes harder work of a job and it's a potential safety issue too as you can't test how slippery the floor is from the roof.
I just think, why bother with the awkward jobs if I don't need to?  I had to start out on the jobs that no-one else wanted and now that I've been at it for a long time, I reckon let the newbies have those jobs that I used to just about tolerate.

I wouldn't take a job like that either as it sort of defeats the purpose of being WFP, I done a property for a few years and they
had an extension built which meant that I would have to cross a flat garage roof to get to the back.
I stopped doing it and noticed a traditional guy doing it last time I was in the area, this guy has a few guys working for him and
has been going for years so its not just newbies who take on this sort off work.
Every job has a price but some would be more suitable to traditional cleaners.